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<v Shannon>Welcome to Craft Beer Radio, episode 509, take two, August 4th,

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<v Shannon>2023. I'm Shannon. I'm Jeff. And I'm Greg. Hi.

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<v Jeff>Hello.

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<v Shannon>We are back.

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<v Jeff>We did a show, but it got eaten by the computer.

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<v Greg>Yes.

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<v Jeff>So we're, we have a backup recording this time, and we're both fresh back from

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<v Jeff>vacations and tonight's going to be a haul of mostly hoppy stuff that we brought back from

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<v Jeff>New England because we went to like the heart of hazy IPAville.

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<v Greg>Okay so that should be interesting to see then what we get back if it's all

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<v Greg>going to be IPAs or if there's going to be some mixture of some stuff.

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<v Jeff>We have one mixture.

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<v Greg>One one mixture.

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<v Jeff>Maybe I'll call an audible later on. Oh and we're We're using a different mic setup tonight.

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<v Greg>Yes. We're using lav mics. We're doing an attempt here.

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<v Greg>And I'd be curious to see if this is any better. I mean, it sounds a little

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<v Greg>bit weirder for us, but this is before any of the audio post-processing.

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<v Greg>So we'll see.

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<v Jeff>All right. So we are going to start with a brewery.

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<v Jeff>I forget exactly where we ran into this one.

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<v Jeff>Meredith, New Hampshire. So in the middle of our trip we spent some time in

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<v Jeff>New Hampshire and this is Twin Barns Lake Cruiser Double APA.

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<v Greg>Twin Barns Lake Cruiser.

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<v Greg>Okay 7.8% alcohol by volume.

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<v Greg>They just say Imperial and don't have much else on here. So you guys were way

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<v Greg>north, right? Way north.

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<v Jeff>Oh yeah. Yeah. So the label has some information here. The hops are Citro,

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<v Jeff>Mosaic, Amarillo, Simcoe, and Centennial.

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<v Jeff>and marketing speak talks of grapefruit, pineapple, passion fruit, things like that.

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<v Greg>Okay, so this looks like grapefruit juice, and it smells like grapefruit juice.

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<v Greg>It does. Yeah,

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<v Greg>it's an orangey, tan color, super hazy, and yeah, like grapefruit juice with all the pulp in it.

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<v Greg>But of course, it's got a head, so it ain't grapefruit juice.

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<v Shannon>But when you go on to the nose, it's very cold, so I'm getting a chance to warm up here.

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<v Jeff>The first thing you get is grapefruit juice.

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<v Shannon>But while we're letting it warm up, we can talk about our trips a little bit.

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<v Greg>Yeah, that's what I was going to mention, because New Hampshire,

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<v Greg>you guys were north. You guys were far north. So tell me about it. What did you guys do?

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<v Shannon>Everything.

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<v Jeff>It was so much fun. The whole show could just be about our trip.

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<v Jeff>It was the best trip. We had so much fun. So we drove and we started,

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<v Jeff>we were supposed to leave Saturday morning, but we knew we wouldn't be able

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<v Jeff>to sleep Friday night. So we left Friday evening. So we left around 7 p.m.

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<v Jeff>Pittsburgh and we got to the main state line between Maine and New Hampshire

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<v Jeff>around quarter to seven in the morning.

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<v Jeff>And we decided to, from there, kind of just drive the coast up to Portland because

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<v Jeff>nothing was going to be open for the next several hours.

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<v Jeff>And man, we found some of the most beautiful shoreline. We stopped a whole bunch

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<v Jeff>of times, took tons of photos, and it was just such a place.

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<v Shannon>The photos don't do it justice.

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<v Jeff>Then we went to Portland. It was kind of just like an easy day.

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<v Jeff>We stopped at a couple breweries and whatnot. But the next day we had the Cellar Tour to Allagash. Wow.

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<v Shannon>And that was awesome.

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<v Jeff>So, you know, Allagash does cool ship beers, so they have, you know,

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<v Jeff>their whole funky fermentation.

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<v Jeff>It's basically the, like, back behind the big brewery is where,

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<v Jeff>like, where they started out is where they do their cellar stuff.

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<v Jeff>And yeah, we got to peek and look into the room with the cool ships and mountains of barrels,

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<v Jeff>and we got to see the Allagash winery, which, because of state laws or maybe

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<v Jeff>federal The winery has to be separate from the brewery and they only have a

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<v Jeff>winery so they can sell ciders, make ciders and sell ciders.

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<v Jeff>So there was this little red like velvet rope around like three fermenters in

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<v Jeff>like a stainless steel vessel and that was the Allagash Winery.

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<v Greg>Okay, so let's go back to this beer. It should be a little bit warm now.

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<v Greg>cruiser and we'll continue with this the vacation report as we meander through

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<v Greg>the show I wasn't picking up much of a nose on this one. And flavor-wise...

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<v Greg>I mean there's lots of grapefruit in here.

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<v Greg>I just had a candy which is kind of maybe making some of the sweetness a little

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<v Greg>bit. Okay. It's just minimizing some of the stuff in here so I may need to just

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<v Greg>get some water in here. What do you taste?

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<v Shannon>Yeah I just brushed my teeth so mine's messed up too.

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<v Jeff>You're all messed up. Okay.

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<v Shannon>I didn't think about it.

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<v Jeff>I guess I'm bleeding here. So for me, for the aroma, it is as kind of citrusy

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<v Jeff>and pungent as grapefruit juice.

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<v Jeff>And then onto the flavor, grapefruit juice is the big contributing the flavor.

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<v Jeff>There's a little bit of an apricot thing going on in there.

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<v Jeff>It's very, very juicy in the mouthfeel. It feels citric acid-y.

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<v Jeff>It feels like fruit juice, just as it looks. I don't believe there's any fruit

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<v Jeff>juice added to this thing, but

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<v Jeff>just the way the hop acids are playing in there, sure feels juicy to me.

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<v Jeff>The bitterness is coming after all the grapefruit stuff. It's kind of moderate

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<v Jeff>high, but not, it's not dank. It's kind of piney.

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<v Jeff>It's kind of, um, yeah, I think I'd have to go with piney for the...

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<v Greg>Yeah, I mean, if you look at the hop labels, so the hop bill,

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<v Greg>Citra, Mosaic, Amarillo, Simcoe Centennial. So nothing that is,

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<v Greg>you know, far outside of the box or anything.

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<v Greg>I think that, you know, that edge you're getting at the end is,

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<v Greg>to me, a mixture of Centennial and Simcoe, maybe with a little Amarillo in there, too. Yeah.

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<v Jeff>Once again, a little onion-y versus garlic-y at the end, though,

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<v Jeff>like kind of from Big Citrus.

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<v Greg>The sulfury stuff, though. I mean, Amarillo can definitely give that,

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<v Greg>you know, Amarillo. Yeah, yeah. Tasty. And yeah, Simcoe, especially if you ever

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<v Greg>do it. And then Centennial is just, you know, it's such a classic one.

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<v Greg>But that's pretty typically pine.

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<v Greg>So I'm not getting much like resiny pine.

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<v Shannon>I don't taste any pine.

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<v Greg>I think it's more just there is like a very basic backbone.

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<v Jeff>I'm just overall impressions. I'm enjoying the spirit feels so weird not having

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<v Jeff>a mic to lead into So weird, I feel like I'm off mic Being just stretch out like this.

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<v Jeff>Yeah She couches for in here Yeah, that's an enjoyable beer very juicy Kind

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<v Jeff>of on the refreshing side,

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<v Jeff>you know, cuz it's not kind of dank and It's super drinkable, yeah.

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<v Shannon>Yeah, do either of you taste any lactose in it?

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<v Greg>I don't know.

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<v Shannon>It must be from brushing my teeth.

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<v Jeff>It has such a full body. I mean, it has an unusually full body,

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<v Jeff>but I don't taste any kind of milk sugars or anything in there.

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<v Jeff>Right, let's go. I'm trying to figure out the order here.

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<v Greg>So you guys went to, you know, upper America. Yes. The lower part of what was

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<v Greg>New England. I went to kind of the, New England itself, I suppose you could say, I was in Cape Cod.

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<v Greg>So that was, for me, a very nice week, a very nice way to get away from all

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<v Greg>the stuff. I've been looking forward to this for a while.

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<v Greg>I think I saw water twice. I didn't go to any beaches. No, okay.

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<v Greg>Because my, my vacation was, okay, I get to be around all this amazing seafood

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<v Greg>and have a really good kitchen and just, I'm going to cook up a bunch of stuff

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<v Greg>and have, you know, six people to cook for. So I don't have to worry about like trying to portion it.

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<v Greg>Like I can make some, some cool, some cool shit. And that was my, that was my vacation.

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<v Greg>So I spent a lot, I spent just, you know, days and days, um,

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<v Greg>I guess I didn't really spend days. you know, a couple hours in the kitchen

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<v Greg>for most nights cooking something.

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<v Greg>And every day a different dish, every day some new fish, and every day beautiful, beautiful stuff.

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<v Jeff>Yeah, we had some seafood when we were up there. I think in the first three

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<v Jeff>days we had four lobster rolls.

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<v Shannon>And I don't even, I can't even count how many oysters.

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<v Shannon>Two and a half dozen, probably, maybe three dozen. we did more than that?

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<v Greg>Let's see. Let's see, I think that in terms of the total oysters that I bought...

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<v Greg>So something like, yes, 56.

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<v Greg>Because it was 48 one day, and then there was eight the previous day.

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<v Greg>Of course, I didn't eat all those. This was, you know, but I probably ate,

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<v Greg>I probably ate 18 of those.

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<v Jeff>Yeah, there's a couple places that there's just so much to talk about.

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<v Shannon>We could do post-show.

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<v Jeff>Yeah, I guess the post-show.

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<v Greg>Post-show is a good chance for us to read all of the, you know,

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<v Greg>all the nitty-gritty about our shows. Yep.

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<v Jeff>You can find the link to the post-show in the show notes on our website.

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<v Jeff>And I do know I was introduced to Google Podcasting.

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<v Jeff>They have something goofed up where they aren't working with the post-show feed.

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<v Jeff>Extras feed tries to work, but then it just shows the main feed.

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<v Jeff>So just saying, if you have a Google Podcast, I will try to get that resolved.

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<v Greg>But having those Google problems.

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<v Jeff>Yeah, it's not like they give you a phone number, you know.

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<v Greg>Or you could get on our Discord and find the links to everything there.

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<v Greg>This is a first and last thing from Hill Farmstead Brewery. Okay.

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<v Jeff>You want to rinse your glass since this one's gonna be pretty different from

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<v Jeff>and probably more subtle then.

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<v Greg>You know, one thing that we didn't get to last time,

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<v Greg>or we did get to last time, but I don't want to bring it up,

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<v Greg>was there's sort of a difference in opinion about what is our,

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<v Greg>I think, local favorite in terms of breweries that you can get.

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<v Greg>You guys are really on the team hitchhiker, and I'm sort of on team hop farm.

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<v Greg>And I think that that's probably a yeast thing. Like looking back to it,

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<v Greg>like I think the hop farms all have a flavor to them, and I really like it,

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<v Greg>but I can totally see how you guys don't.

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<v Greg>And I also think that all of the hitchhikers have a flavor to them.

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<v Greg>And it's not that I dislike it.

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<v Greg>It's just, you know, you and I, Jeff, we see very similarly on a lot of things,

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<v Greg>even flavor-wise, but not enough that we're gonna marry you.

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<v Greg>So maybe that's part of it, right?

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<v Jeff>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Greg>On even a more close level on that, so.

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<v Jeff>Yeah. Yeah. And we feel the same way. We don't like hate hop farm.

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<v Jeff>It's just we don't find them to the same level of deliciousness that,

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<v Jeff>you know, like we find a lot of hitchhiker beers.

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<v Greg>So just one of those cool things that you can sometimes explore with your friends

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<v Greg>and breweries that are near your diversity.

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<v Shannon>Yeah.

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<v Greg>All right. So this guy is a first and last things.

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<v Greg>India Pale Ale brewed with Motueka, Nelson Savine and Simcoe Hop.

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<v Greg>So finally, so we're into a slightly more than just Just a standard hop profile.

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<v Jeff>Yeah, so we showed up at Hill Farmstead about 10 minutes before they opened

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<v Jeff>on a Wednesday, was it? Thursday? Wednesday?

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<v Shannon>Thursday? No, it doesn't matter.

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<v Jeff>Yeah, it doesn't matter. And there was people waiting outside already.

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<v Shannon>I think it was Friday, actually.

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<v Jeff>They have this beautiful, like, front yard with picking tables and awnings and stuff.

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<v Jeff>And then inside the tasting tap room, you can overlook the brewery.

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<v Jeff>They had some cuckoo crazy, like, sour barrel aged beers on.

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<v Jeff>Oh my goodness, it was awesome.

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<v Jeff>Hill Farmstead is worth the drive.

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<v Shannon>Yeah, for sure. Cuckoo.

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<v Shannon>Cuckoo. And they had amazing barbecue out front. Yep.

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<v Jeff>All right, so this one.

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<v Greg>It was an amazing barbecue.

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<v Shannon>Like, what did they have?

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<v Jeff>Did you have barbecue?

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<v Shannon>Actually, we didn't even eat the barbecue. So I was wondering how you knew it

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<v Shannon>was amazing. I just got it a side, because we had already eaten earlier.

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<v Shannon>I got a side of mac and cheese.

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<v Shannon>But it smelled amazing. Yeah. And they were really nice people.

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<v Jeff>Amazing smelling barbecue.

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<v Shannon>Amazing smelling barbecue. I'm tired. I worked.

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<v Greg>Me too. I just got back yesterday. I am I'm still out of it a little bit you

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<v Greg>got back. Yeah last night,

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<v Greg>At least all my beasties were taken care of.

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<v Greg>Damien was able to come in and change the water every day, or every three days,

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<v Greg>which is all they needed. That's the beautiful thing about reptiles,

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<v Greg>you don't really need to do much.

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<v Jeff>So the first and last things, this one pours a kind of whiter,

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<v Jeff>cloudy, hazy, almost not quite as white as whipped beer, but similar to it.

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<v Jeff>The aroma for me, I'm getting like a creamsicle kind of thing.

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<v Jeff>I'm getting kind of vanilla notes. I'm getting orange notes.

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<v Greg>I'm getting like passion fruit. I'm getting more on the tropical side.

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<v Greg>Like passion fruit and maybe like a hint of guava or something like that.

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<v Shannon>Guava. Mm-hmm. But I'm definitely getting the vanilla notes.

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<v Jeff>And so it was Mozueka, Nelson, and...

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<v Greg>That's that Mozueka. Sometimes you can, you can hit vanilla.

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<v Greg>It's weird that a hop can do that, but it's really cool.

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<v Jeff>And Simcoe.

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<v Shannon>Wasn't it this trip that I realized that Motueka is one of my favorites?

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<v Shannon>Uh, I don't remember. I think it's Motueka that...

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<v Greg>I wonder if that Duclos one that made Motueka into vanilla is still around because

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<v Greg>it was the first time we ever experienced that.

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<v Jeff>Now we had a couple beers that were very creamsickly on the trip.

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<v Jeff>This might have been one of them. I know we had this one on tap.

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<v Shannon>Yeah, I think this was one of my favorites out there.

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<v Jeff>This one has a nice, like, creamy, soft body to it.

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<v Jeff>It has that, it's not as much creamsicle in the flavor. It's a little more,

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<v Jeff>um, like fruit pith, like, um, kind of.

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<v Greg>See, I'm getting, it's a little bit, bit the to me.

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<v Greg>Okay. So first is a little bit, I guess, harsher the more, more,

00:16:46.871 --> 00:16:52.501
<v Greg>maybe resonate, or at least maybe a bite, like more biting notes.

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<v Greg>And I don't know whether that's maybe the carbonation is a bit finer or,

00:16:55.183 --> 00:16:56.844
<v Greg>or, but I think it's the hops.

00:16:57.204 --> 00:16:59.155
<v Greg>The hops are a little bit more sharper here.

00:17:01.207 --> 00:17:06.530
<v Greg>They are also, Yeah, there, there is a lot of tropical stuff.

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<v Greg>It feels to me, and like the first sip, like a lot, like almost overdoing it.

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<v Greg>Whereas I felt like the Lake Cruiser was really well balanced by comparison.

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<v Jeff>More I get into it, the, I'm getting kind of a little bit more trending towards

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<v Jeff>dank. I think the Simcoe's popping out a little bit more.

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<v Shannon>Are you getting grapefruit?

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<v Greg>I can't say I'm getting grapefruit really. Really?

00:17:41.396 --> 00:17:48.100
<v Shannon>It's hard because the last one was so, exactly grapefruit flavors.

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<v Jeff>This one's kind of, there's something there, but it's also a little overripe or a little bit.

00:17:56.045 --> 00:17:59.467
<v Greg>It's pithy. If there is grapefruit, it's pithy. notes from the grapefruit,

00:17:59.467 --> 00:18:03.469
<v Greg>more than juicy notes, I guess. Hmm.

00:18:09.899 --> 00:18:13.401
<v Greg>And the creamsicle stuff that we were getting in the aroma isn't really carrying through.

00:18:14.562 --> 00:18:19.966
<v Greg>I'm getting some like stone fruit vibes, like peach, that kind of thing.

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<v Greg>Um, but it, it's, it feels like a lot and, and like, I can totally see how if

00:18:31.275 --> 00:18:33.897
<v Greg>you had the bars, it's going to be great.

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<v Shannon>But as a, yeah, no, on draft at the bar, this beer was bonkers good.

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<v Jeff>And here in the can, it's fine, but.

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<v Shannon>And when was it canned, just?

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<v Greg>I don't see a date on it, but.

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<v Shannon>Yeah, 725.

00:18:50.771 --> 00:18:52.672
<v Shannon>So not very long ago. They even put the time.

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<v Greg>What did they have?

00:18:54.133 --> 00:18:55.094
<v Shannon>1128. Well, there you go.

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<v Jeff>If only it was canned a little bit later in the afternoon, it'd still be good.

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<v Greg>No, I think that this is a perfectly fine beer. I don't think there's any,

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<v Greg>you know, there's no problem with it, but I just, you know, it suffers in comparison

00:19:10.466 --> 00:19:14.529
<v Greg>to the last one, which was just really drinkable, like, really.

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<v Greg>This is, I mean, I was not, like,

00:19:19.753 --> 00:19:23.176
<v Greg>looking forward to drinking a bunch of hazies, to be honest with you.

00:19:23.176 --> 00:19:24.437
<v Jeff>In that Lake Cruiser, gotcha.

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<v Greg>And then this was great.

00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:33.924
<v Greg>really like this would be if I saw this on the shelf I'd be like hell yeah because

00:19:33.924 --> 00:19:35.365
<v Greg>that was really really good.

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<v Jeff>Yeah we stopped there there was a day in New Hampshire where we got rained out

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<v Jeff>so we visited seven breweries that day.

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<v Shannon>I didn't keep track.

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<v Jeff>Like short little visits just like you know a couple tasters and things like

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<v Jeff>that but yeah we hit up like seven breweries that day So to be honest,

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<v Jeff>I can't remember exactly which one was Twin Barn.

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<v Shannon>Probably could look at our pictures and figure it out, but,

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<v Shannon>yeah.

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<v Greg>So did you guys do anything besides go to breweries?

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<v Jeff>We went to some great restaurants and we hiked 54.27.

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<v Shannon>Miles. Wow. Yes.

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<v Greg>And Acadia.

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<v Shannon>Well, mostly Acadia. in Acadia. Well, mostly Acadia.

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<v Greg>Now, I should mention that I knew that, and the reason why I knew that was because

00:20:26.603 --> 00:20:31.346
<v Greg>of our Discord, which we never got to really properly announce nor celebrate.

00:20:32.207 --> 00:20:35.129
<v Greg>We did last time, but it all got wiped out by the Internet gods.

00:20:36.270 --> 00:20:41.493
<v Jeff>Yeah, so on our website at craftyradio.com, there is a link to join our Discord server.

00:20:42.635 --> 00:20:46.337
<v Jeff>It is the thing that I want to use to eliminate email to converse with people.

00:20:46.617 --> 00:20:51.302
<v Jeff>It allows listeners to converse with each other. We got some long time,

00:20:51.302 --> 00:20:57.029
<v Jeff>got three Greggs on there, We got, uh, who, who else, um.

00:20:59.493 --> 00:21:02.255
<v Jeff>I can't think of the guy's real name. I just know it's like Handel.

00:21:03.576 --> 00:21:07.199
<v Greg>We got other people on there. But come and join us.

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<v Greg>We want to get people on there and talk about stuff, give us ideas.

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<v Greg>We have a couple channels going there. We'll probably create more.

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<v Jeff>And there'll be a forum channel for each show. And that'll have all of the transcript

00:21:23.421 --> 00:21:27.134
<v Jeff>stuff and things like that linked in there. So if you want to get the most of

00:21:27.134 --> 00:21:30.497
<v Jeff>the multimedia about the show, that's where you'll get it. So.

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<v Jeff>All right, what's next? What's next? Do you want the palate cleanser now or

00:21:35.180 --> 00:21:37.182
<v Jeff>do you want another IPA and then the palate cleanser?

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<v Greg>Let's do the IPA then and go with the palate cleanser and then we'll see what we have next.

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<v Jeff>We're gonna do Fiddlehead Brewing Company.

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<v Jeff>So some of the really big name breweries in Vermont, outside of Burlington,

00:21:54.214 --> 00:21:57.016
<v Jeff>right, is Hill Farmstead, The Alchemist, and Fiddlehead.

00:21:58.658 --> 00:22:05.603
<v Jeff>And we hit up Fiddlehead on the last day, and I really, really liked the place.

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<v Jeff>So this is their regular IPA.

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<v Jeff>We have another beer from Fiddlehead down, oh no, we have three more beers from

00:22:12.288 --> 00:22:16.805
<v Jeff>Fiddlehead downstairs, one more IPA, a double IPA, and then two of their other

00:22:16.805 --> 00:22:21.856
<v Jeff>things, spontaneously fermented one and a barrel-aged Imperial Porter.

00:22:21.856 --> 00:22:24.958
<v Greg>So this is just their standard IPA, This is their flagship?

00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:31.323
<v Greg>I think it's their flagship because they're year-round, and it's the first one

00:22:31.323 --> 00:22:34.866
<v Greg>on their list. 6.2% occupied volume, 53 APU.

00:22:37.368 --> 00:22:44.354
<v Greg>They say it's just a hazy American IPA. It's green. The color of the can and

00:22:44.354 --> 00:22:45.354
<v Greg>everything around it is green.

00:22:45.855 --> 00:22:54.201
<v Jeff>When we got this, they made sure that I was going to promise to keep it cold.

00:22:55.482 --> 00:22:59.665
<v Jeff>They basically said, you know, it'll change if you let it warm up. It's unpasteurized.

00:23:00.486 --> 00:23:04.188
<v Jeff>So we kept this cold. We went and got ice that night.

00:23:04.529 --> 00:23:08.031
<v Jeff>It was the same day we got the Crusher from Alchemist, which will be our next

00:23:08.031 --> 00:23:09.032
<v Jeff>beer after the Intramezzo.

00:23:11.938 --> 00:23:15.645
<v Jeff>And those, you know, I'm excited for this press show. I hope you enjoy them. Okay.

00:23:15.645 --> 00:23:15.945
<v Greg>You,

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<v Greg>So, this being so cold, I'm going to warm it up. I haven't noticed much on the

00:23:24.082 --> 00:23:27.945
<v Greg>aroma yet. So, let's warm this sucker.

00:23:27.945 --> 00:23:32.969
<v Jeff>Yeah, I'm going to sit back and let Greg explore this instead of me telling you what the taste is.

00:23:32.969 --> 00:23:36.462
<v Greg>Okay.

00:23:36.462 --> 00:23:39.955
<v Shannon>Okay.

00:23:39.955 --> 00:23:44.799
<v Greg>So, now I'm thinking about the beers that I had, which I didn't have that many.

00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:47.121
<v Greg>I actually put them on our disc.

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<v Jeff>You had that Jay Wakefield smoked lager or something, right?

00:23:51.564 --> 00:23:55.167
<v Greg>That was probably my favorite. And I wanted to bring some of that down,

00:23:55.167 --> 00:23:58.349
<v Greg>but ain't again, it wasn't, it was going to be hard. But yeah,

00:23:58.349 --> 00:24:04.093
<v Greg>this was a Czech dark lager that was aged in wood footers.

00:24:04.594 --> 00:24:08.897
<v Jeff>The next time we're in Florida, we'll have to, we've already talked about trying

00:24:08.897 --> 00:24:09.918
<v Jeff>to get down to Jay Wakefield.

00:24:09.918 --> 00:24:14.932
<v Jeff>So we'll try to do that and bring some stuff back. Yeah. Because they're in

00:24:14.932 --> 00:24:18.444
<v Jeff>one of the towns on the Atlantic coast, I can't, in South. I can't remember

00:24:18.444 --> 00:24:19.785
<v Jeff>exactly where the... I don't know.

00:24:20.586 --> 00:24:23.407
<v Greg>The beer was called Of Darkest Night, which is a Green Lantern reference.

00:24:25.629 --> 00:24:27.571
<v Greg>So for all you DC Comics heads.

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<v Jeff>So was it, was it funky footer? Or was it just like...

00:24:31.874 --> 00:24:35.256
<v Greg>No, it was woody. It was really woody. I mean, it was really oaky.

00:24:35.256 --> 00:24:39.019
<v Greg>And I think that in, on the show, it probably would have been overly oaky,

00:24:39.019 --> 00:24:44.243
<v Greg>like just as a, uh, as in putting our microscope on it, it was kind of too oaky,

00:24:44.243 --> 00:24:50.427
<v Greg>but, but when you just sort of ignored that and had it with some oysters.

00:24:51.248 --> 00:24:52.429
<v Jeff>Oh, I bet.

00:24:52.429 --> 00:24:56.472
<v Greg>Fantastic. Okay. So you're going to let me.

00:24:56.472 --> 00:24:59.114
<v Jeff>Yeah. Stick your nose in there. Tell me what you smell.

00:25:00.706 --> 00:25:02.517
<v Greg>It smells a little, uh, dank.

00:25:06.300 --> 00:25:07.961
<v Jeff>It's so fucking weedy.

00:25:13.215 --> 00:25:15.156
<v Greg>Yeah, it smells like weed.

00:25:19.419 --> 00:25:28.185
<v Greg>It smells kind of like, you know, what sometimes if you're walking by—I was

00:25:28.185 --> 00:25:34.790
<v Greg>with Nick and Aaron and they were here very briefly and went to a place,

00:25:34.790 --> 00:25:39.193
<v Greg>Sao Marcado, here in Pittsburgh.

00:25:40.094 --> 00:25:44.717
<v Greg>And as I was walking to where they were, there were some guys smoking weed in

00:25:44.717 --> 00:25:49.200
<v Greg>the alley that I passed by. And it was, yep, this is what it smelled like.

00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:57.266
<v Jeff>Yep. This beer, these darn fruit flies keep buzzing around.

00:25:57.266 --> 00:25:59.407
<v Shannon>Where'd they come from? They just appeared today.

00:25:59.407 --> 00:26:07.653
<v Jeff>Yeah, I don't know. This beer seems like it's kind of, I don't want to say modeled

00:26:07.653 --> 00:26:09.654
<v Jeff>after, but of the same vein as Heddy Top.

00:26:09.654 --> 00:26:11.196
<v Greg>I was thinking the same thing, yeah.

00:26:11.196 --> 00:26:16.860
<v Jeff>And when, like looking at some of the marketing speak for Heddy Topper,

00:26:16.860 --> 00:26:23.325
<v Jeff>they talk about it just being made to be a dank IPA. Yeah. And this is more.

00:26:23.325 --> 00:26:24.726
<v Greg>This is more drinkable than Heddy Topper.

00:26:24.726 --> 00:26:32.972
<v Jeff>It definitely is. I had Heddy Topper at the brewery on beer engine and it wasn't exciting.

00:26:32.972 --> 00:26:34.433
<v Greg>Beer engine, you're gonna have to explain that.

00:26:34.654 --> 00:26:38.979
<v Jeff>A cask. Okay. Hand pull on a cask. And I thought, oh my God,

00:26:38.979 --> 00:26:43.505
<v Jeff>if it's ever gonna be good, this is gonna be good. Disappointing.

00:26:43.505 --> 00:26:45.827
<v Jeff>And three-day-old focal banger was just eh.

00:26:46.348 --> 00:26:49.411
<v Jeff>But what was delicious was the crusher.

00:26:49.411 --> 00:26:50.732
<v Greg>We're gonna get to that, okay. But...

00:26:52.742 --> 00:26:58.206
<v Greg>Yeah, so I think that, you know, Heady Topper, it's, it's days are past it really,

00:26:58.206 --> 00:27:03.449
<v Greg>because it was exciting when it was something really new, and when it really

00:27:03.449 --> 00:27:05.539
<v Greg>helped redefine a whole,

00:27:05.539 --> 00:27:14.857
<v Greg>I mean, yeah, it, it, it redefined a whole style, and that, for that it needs

00:27:14.857 --> 00:27:20.001
<v Greg>to be appraised, but but in terms of how it lives up to the hype,

00:27:21.382 --> 00:27:25.805
<v Greg>no, these days people have figured out how to make Paisies so much better.

00:27:25.805 --> 00:27:28.667
<v Jeff>You know what else is really weird about the Alchemist's tap room?

00:27:29.008 --> 00:27:33.591
<v Jeff>Is it's not a tap room. They had Heddy Topper on cask.

00:27:34.712 --> 00:27:35.873
<v Jeff>Everything else was can pours.

00:27:35.873 --> 00:27:38.995
<v Greg>Weird. That is weird.

00:27:40.376 --> 00:27:44.979
<v Greg>Okay, so this is, yeah, this feels from the same vein as Heady Topper and they

00:27:44.979 --> 00:27:49.043
<v Greg>have the same instructions, keep it cold, probably they would tell you to drink from the can.

00:27:51.365 --> 00:27:53.326
<v Greg>It's just, it's less dank than Heady Topper.

00:27:56.149 --> 00:27:57.329
<v Jeff>It's less of a, of a...

00:27:57.329 --> 00:27:58.410
<v Greg>So, salt. Yeah, Heady Topper.

00:27:59.731 --> 00:28:03.034
<v Jeff>When you get Heady Topper on cask, it kind of takes away that salt,

00:28:03.034 --> 00:28:08.178
<v Jeff>but it kind of just, it almost makes it taste like in the middle of the road

00:28:08.178 --> 00:28:10.039
<v Jeff>English IPA where nothing really

00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:14.321
<v Jeff>stands out. It's kind of more malty and creamy. But it, maybe it made it.

00:28:18.966 --> 00:28:22.628
<v Jeff>more average? I don't know. I'm glad I went to the Alchemist.

00:28:22.628 --> 00:28:26.391
<v Jeff>Some of their other beers had some saisons and stuff out of cans that were really

00:28:26.391 --> 00:28:30.153
<v Jeff>good, but the two flagships, the reasons people go, was underwhelming.

00:28:33.195 --> 00:28:38.238
<v Greg>Well, you know, again, you have to keep that beer around for historical purposes or nothing else.

00:28:42.701 --> 00:28:47.404
<v Greg>And I think as a way to see both,

00:28:47.404 --> 00:28:51.326
<v Greg>okay, this is the beginnings of Hazes,

00:28:51.326 --> 00:28:54.028
<v Greg>and we now know what they've turned into, but also as a way to see,

00:28:54.028 --> 00:29:00.033
<v Greg>okay, this is the line between this sort of West Coast dominant,

00:29:00.033 --> 00:29:07.657
<v Greg>crazy, crazy resin hop and this wacky, bright style.

00:29:07.657 --> 00:29:14.683
<v Greg>Yeah. I mean, for both those reasons, it's a beer worth drinking,

00:29:14.683 --> 00:29:20.608
<v Greg>but it's, it is not a, it's not a crowd pleaser anymore. All right.

00:29:21.209 --> 00:29:25.812
<v Jeff>So our next beer, this is one we got because Shannon demanded it.

00:29:25.812 --> 00:29:29.775
<v Jeff>I did? The Days End from Allagash.

00:29:29.775 --> 00:29:38.462
<v Jeff>So this is one of the beers from Portland With Love, which is the program that

00:29:38.462 --> 00:29:43.026
<v Jeff>the employees get to suggest things, Days End,

00:29:43.546 --> 00:29:49.077
<v Jeff>get to suggest things and some of those get picked up for small batches or big batches or whatnot.

00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:53.988
<v Jeff>This one is modeled to be like a Boulevardier.

00:29:56.590 --> 00:29:57.971
<v Jeff>So, instead of an old...

00:29:57.971 --> 00:29:58.951
<v Greg>It's a cocktail, right?

00:29:58.951 --> 00:30:01.313
<v Jeff>It's a cocktail. Imagine an old-fashioned, but with vermouth.

00:30:01.313 --> 00:30:09.039
<v Greg>Okay. Brewed this beer with a Lambrusco grape must, Angelica root.

00:30:10.281 --> 00:30:14.764
<v Greg>I don't even know what Angelica root is. An orange peel. Angelica root.

00:30:14.764 --> 00:30:15.211
<v Jeff>Yeah.

00:30:15.211 --> 00:30:16.105
<v Greg>No idea.

00:30:16.105 --> 00:30:21.089
<v Jeff>It's, well, here, when you taste it, you'll see the, some of the character that it gives.

00:30:21.690 --> 00:30:29.495
<v Greg>Aging in bourbon barrels for two months, result, okay. 9.5% but yeah,

00:30:29.495 --> 00:30:34.459
<v Greg>palate cleanser I should say, because this is finally not a hazy IPA.

00:30:36.981 --> 00:30:40.983
<v Greg>Right, well, there's a little bit of haze in there, but it's not really an IPA.

00:30:40.983 --> 00:30:48.368
<v Shannon>It's got a pink grapefruit tint to it, doesn't it?

00:30:49.590 --> 00:30:52.692
<v Greg>So in terms of grains, you have your two row base malt blend,

00:30:52.692 --> 00:30:54.253
<v Greg>which is pretty standard.

00:30:54.813 --> 00:30:59.056
<v Greg>Red wheat and flaked corn, so a variety of different grains in here to give it some stuff.

00:30:59.857 --> 00:31:03.560
<v Greg>Northern Brewer, Crystal, and Europeans, that's hops. So wow,

00:31:03.560 --> 00:31:05.901
<v Greg>that's a, so don't expect this to be very hoppy.

00:31:07.423 --> 00:31:10.858
<v Jeff>This was bottled a year ago. Okay.

00:31:10.858 --> 00:31:16.649
<v Greg>Ooh, okay. Yeah, so immediately a sour on the nose.

00:31:19.832 --> 00:31:23.334
<v Greg>Which I guess I should have expected with a grape musk, but didn't immediately

00:31:23.334 --> 00:31:25.736
<v Greg>come to mind this was necessarily going to be sour. Especially when I saw bourbon

00:31:25.736 --> 00:31:27.578
<v Greg>barrels, I was thinking maybe this would be sweeter.

00:31:30.020 --> 00:31:34.904
<v Jeff>I haven't tasted it yet. I thought this was like fresh bourbon and not like funky barrels.

00:31:38.977 --> 00:31:43.091
<v Jeff>The aroma, the oakiness is definitely coming through. one of the first things

00:31:43.091 --> 00:31:49.760
<v Jeff>I get, a little bit of that grape, musk kind of smell, kind of sweet,

00:31:49.760 --> 00:31:51.563
<v Jeff>but with some tannins and things like that.

00:32:02.876 --> 00:32:03.776
<v Greg>Hmm. Ooh, okay.

00:32:06.298 --> 00:32:10.040
<v Greg>Lighter than I expected, especially for a 9.5% alcoholic volume, right?

00:32:11.592 --> 00:32:20.988
<v Greg>Kind of a light beer. Much of the flavor was like a big hit and then kind of fades.

00:32:25.821 --> 00:32:29.133
<v Greg>And you just sort of get sort of the sour tart notes after that.

00:32:29.694 --> 00:32:34.717
<v Shannon>And I don't even notice that as, I mean, it smells like a sour,

00:32:34.717 --> 00:32:37.860
<v Shannon>but it doesn't taste like a sour to me at all.

00:32:38.501 --> 00:32:42.263
<v Jeff>Jeff is bringing out some, so I think Angelica root goes into Campari.

00:32:42.263 --> 00:32:47.687
<v Jeff>Okay. And that's part of the Boulevardier as well.

00:32:50.430 --> 00:32:52.230
<v Greg>Campari is a very potent cure, Italian.

00:32:57.056 --> 00:33:00.447
<v Greg>Do you want to smell this? It's bitter, it doesn't necessarily smell bitter,

00:33:00.447 --> 00:33:01.998
<v Greg>but it is bitter and strong.

00:33:06.342 --> 00:33:09.664
<v Greg>It is known for being, it's a key component of a Negroni.

00:33:13.006 --> 00:33:19.050
<v Greg>It's one of those things that's like, especially the first time you drink it,

00:33:19.050 --> 00:33:22.113
<v Greg>you're probably not going to necessarily like it, but then you sort of grow

00:33:22.113 --> 00:33:23.273
<v Greg>to really appreciate it.

00:33:23.454 --> 00:33:28.678
<v Jeff>Yeah. Actually, you reminded me. I described it wrong. A boulevardier is a Negroni

00:33:28.678 --> 00:33:29.879
<v Jeff>with bourbon instead of gin.

00:33:29.879 --> 00:33:30.459
<v Greg>Okay.

00:33:30.459 --> 00:33:33.722
<v Jeff>So that's what I, I was confused.

00:33:33.722 --> 00:33:34.142
<v Greg>Gotcha.

00:33:34.142 --> 00:33:36.684
<v Jeff>You helped me get there. So thank you.

00:33:38.786 --> 00:33:43.519
<v Greg>Glad I could be of service. All right, let me give it another taste here.

00:33:44.750 --> 00:33:45.671
<v Shannon>I love this one.

00:33:49.234 --> 00:33:51.535
<v Greg>So really this is another attempt at a cocktail beer.

00:33:54.959 --> 00:34:01.042
<v Jeff>Or a beer inspired by a cocktail beer. Not really like putting in all the orange and all the thingies.

00:34:01.403 --> 00:34:05.545
<v Jeff>Because I mean, the way they arrive at it is with grapes and angelica root.

00:34:05.745 --> 00:34:10.709
<v Greg>You know? Yeah. So they're taking some of the spicing of the things they know.

00:34:10.709 --> 00:34:13.651
<v Greg>And yeah, I guess there is like an Aperoli kind of...

00:34:13.731 --> 00:34:19.255
<v Jeff>You know, the grapes give you the vermouth notes. The angelica root gives you

00:34:19.255 --> 00:34:24.119
<v Jeff>the Campari notes. The barrel gives you the bourbon notes. So it's a neat way to get there.

00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:25.340
<v Greg>Yeah, I see that.

00:34:25.340 --> 00:34:27.121
<v Shannon>I'm really tasting the barrel in it now.

00:34:27.121 --> 00:34:31.585
<v Greg>So I should explain the Aperol is the like less intense version of Campari.

00:34:33.226 --> 00:34:37.529
<v Greg>It's the one, I have both, but it's the one that I would prefer to use in lots

00:34:37.529 --> 00:34:40.772
<v Greg>of things. Although, I mean, I think you can't have a Negroni without Campari.

00:34:42.954 --> 00:34:48.697
<v Greg>But I think that Aperol, in almost all cases, it's just, it's a less assaulting version.

00:34:50.178 --> 00:34:58.823
<v Greg>So, in a lot – in almost all cases, it's the more useful general purpose version of Campari, I think.

00:35:02.866 --> 00:35:09.730
<v Greg>But yeah, this is, this is nice. This is not, I wouldn't like, okay.

00:35:09.730 --> 00:35:14.914
<v Greg>So it's funny because when I was at the Cape, it was so hard to find beers that

00:35:14.914 --> 00:35:22.900
<v Greg>were not hazy or some variation of IPA or just some wheat that I was like,

00:35:22.900 --> 00:35:24.621
<v Greg>not super interested in.

00:35:24.621 --> 00:35:26.402
<v Greg>I mean, it is summertime at Cape

00:35:26.402 --> 00:35:31.806
<v Greg>Cod. I shouldn't expect much more than this, but it was, it was tough.

00:35:31.806 --> 00:35:34.948
<v Greg>So I didn't, I didn't get any of those. What I ended up getting was like a Prairie

00:35:34.948 --> 00:35:40.232
<v Greg>Arden sour and, uh, uh, one other thing.

00:35:40.483 --> 00:35:44.195
<v Greg>I think, yeah, a Czech Pilsner, right? So it was, it was, or no,

00:35:44.195 --> 00:35:51.540
<v Greg>no, no, I'm sorry. It was a, it was a, what's the Pilsner that's, uh, um, hoppy.

00:35:54.604 --> 00:35:55.584
<v Jeff>Uh, Bavarian Pilsner.

00:35:56.005 --> 00:36:00.668
<v Greg>Was it Bavarian? Yeah, it was a hoppy, it was a Bavarian style Pils.

00:36:05.453 --> 00:36:09.055
<v Greg>So, yeah, the pickings were small because I would, but I also wouldn't have

00:36:09.055 --> 00:36:13.879
<v Greg>picked this out. Like I wouldn't have seen this and said, yeah, this is what I want.

00:36:13.879 --> 00:36:18.662
<v Jeff>But this is, if we hadn't tasted this in the cellar tasting part of it,

00:36:18.662 --> 00:36:20.724
<v Jeff>no, I don't think we would have gone for it either.

00:36:20.724 --> 00:36:24.087
<v Jeff>You know, and I probably wouldn't, I'm enjoying this thoroughly,

00:36:24.087 --> 00:36:29.010
<v Jeff>but because of all the other Amaze beers that they had to buy,

00:36:29.010 --> 00:36:32.513
<v Jeff>I probably wouldn't have bought a four pack of this, but Shannon was hooked into it.

00:36:32.513 --> 00:36:37.357
<v Shannon>We still would have, because I always gravitate to the ones that are aged in

00:36:37.357 --> 00:36:40.019
<v Shannon>bourbon barrels. And it says right there on the label.

00:36:40.019 --> 00:36:42.061
<v Jeff>But everything there was aged in bourbon barrels.

00:36:42.061 --> 00:36:42.361
<v Shannon>I know.

00:36:43.362 --> 00:36:46.724
<v Greg>Hey, you know, you found something you like and you go towards it.

00:36:46.724 --> 00:36:47.845
<v Greg>I understand that completely.

00:36:49.026 --> 00:36:52.669
<v Jeff>When- But I'm glad she said, we're getting this, because I'm enjoying this tonight.

00:36:52.669 --> 00:36:57.992
<v Jeff>Definitely. Three more bottles. And yeah, it totally feels like we're sipping

00:36:57.992 --> 00:36:59.533
<v Jeff>on a cocktail and sit here talking.

00:36:59.533 --> 00:37:03.696
<v Greg>Yeah, you'll feel that monkey's paw curl when everything on the shelf turns

00:37:03.696 --> 00:37:07.739
<v Greg>into bourbon barrel aged stuff, like we did for Haze.

00:37:10.441 --> 00:37:15.715
<v Jeff>Speaking of loggers and stuff, one of our last days in Vermont,

00:37:15.715 --> 00:37:19.227
<v Jeff>after we went hiking one day, we stopped at Von Trapp Brewery,

00:37:19.227 --> 00:37:22.109
<v Jeff>which is the Von Trapps from The Sound of Music.

00:37:22.449 --> 00:37:25.371
<v Greg>I was thinking that were those the same?

00:37:25.371 --> 00:37:31.955
<v Jeff>Yeah, they own so much land there, like, it's like 1800 acres or 2400 acres

00:37:31.955 --> 00:37:34.156
<v Jeff>or something. I have to look it back up because...

00:37:35.838 --> 00:37:40.360
<v Jeff>And they, one of the sons wanted to open a brewery and he went to Austria,

00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:44.002
<v Jeff>like they're They're from Austria, so they wanted kind of that Austrian kind of vibe.

00:37:46.829 --> 00:37:54.936
<v Jeff>If every craft brewery who made pilsners made pilsners half as good as theirs, it'd be all I drink.

00:37:54.936 --> 00:37:56.357
<v Greg>Wow.

00:37:56.357 --> 00:38:00.099
<v Jeff>It was, no, their pilsner was, I mean, I had other beers too,

00:38:00.099 --> 00:38:06.484
<v Jeff>but their pilsner was, I never loved something so much that was so subtle.

00:38:07.766 --> 00:38:11.668
<v Jeff>Like, I couldn't tell you why I loved it. I just loved it.

00:38:12.609 --> 00:38:17.253
<v Greg>It's probably the yeast. I think a big part of that German Reinheimskippen is

00:38:17.253 --> 00:38:18.083
<v Greg>getting the yeast right.

00:38:19.094 --> 00:38:22.818
<v Greg>Because if you don't do that, everything is off a little bit. Yeah.

00:38:22.818 --> 00:38:27.721
<v Jeff>Because there was like nothing, like nothing stood out from the beer,

00:38:27.721 --> 00:38:28.671
<v Jeff>but the beer was outstanding.

00:38:29.142 --> 00:38:33.845
<v Jeff>Like, I'm like, this is, you know, you see all these Pilsners at these breweries

00:38:33.845 --> 00:38:38.369
<v Jeff>and a lot of them are under attenuated and they're just not what you want.

00:38:38.609 --> 00:38:41.991
<v Jeff>You know, they're homebrew versions of Pilsner's.

00:38:43.793 --> 00:38:45.614
<v Jeff>And, but this one.

00:38:45.614 --> 00:38:47.576
<v Greg>So lagered correctly, right?

00:38:47.576 --> 00:38:51.939
<v Jeff>They did all the- Fuck man, it was so good. I had their kosh.

00:38:51.939 --> 00:38:54.281
<v Jeff>I had, that was really good too.

00:38:54.661 --> 00:38:58.764
<v Greg>Now, are they taking advantage of the sound and musicness of it all at all?

00:38:58.764 --> 00:39:00.765
<v Greg>Or are they bringing it like anything, any brand?

00:39:02.467 --> 00:39:08.591
<v Jeff>There was a big like chalet type lodge where the brewery tasting room was.

00:39:08.591 --> 00:39:12.372
<v Greg>Well, yeah, but I mean, like, in terms of like the names of their beers or whatever.

00:39:12.372 --> 00:39:14.733
<v Jeff>No, no. You know what the beer's names are? Pilsner, Hellas,

00:39:14.733 --> 00:39:15.633
<v Jeff>Kulsh, Goza, Hoffenweiss.

00:39:24.994 --> 00:39:32.219
<v Greg>Yeah. So I was trying to make a joke about how they're taking the name of everyone

00:39:32.219 --> 00:39:37.063
<v Greg>else, but it's not really because technically you can't even copyright those things even.

00:39:37.603 --> 00:39:43.028
<v Greg>So I don't know. I couldn't find the joke there, but there is one if you take enough time.

00:39:43.028 --> 00:39:44.529
<v Jeff>I mean, other than the name of

00:39:44.529 --> 00:39:48.572
<v Jeff>the brewery being Von Trapp, they're not parlaying. Yeah, no, they're not.

00:39:49.893 --> 00:39:55.757
<v Jeff>Yeah, before the brewery, I guess they, since the 60s, they have been buying,

00:39:55.757 --> 00:39:58.479
<v Jeff>acquiring land there, but it's like some of the best cross-country skiing in

00:39:58.479 --> 00:40:00.741
<v Jeff>the country there and things like that.

00:40:00.741 --> 00:40:05.164
<v Jeff>So they were known for things like lodging and cross-country skiing before the brewery.

00:40:05.524 --> 00:40:07.285
<v Greg>Which is basically hiking during the summer.

00:40:07.285 --> 00:40:10.318
<v Jeff>Yeah.

00:40:10.318 --> 00:40:11.788
<v Shannon>Or winter hiking, yeah.

00:40:11.788 --> 00:40:15.531
<v Greg>For sure. Okay, well that was definitely a good palate cleanser.

00:40:16.212 --> 00:40:17.773
<v Greg>So what are we doing next?

00:40:17.773 --> 00:40:19.193
<v Jeff>Do the alchemist's crusher.

00:40:19.193 --> 00:40:22.476
<v Shannon>Okay.

00:40:22.476 --> 00:40:27.980
<v Greg>So this is the one you said this was, this was like stand out at the alchemist. Yeah.

00:40:27.980 --> 00:40:31.402
<v Shannon>When there's a really good story behind how we obtained this.

00:40:31.402 --> 00:40:39.748
<v Jeff>Yeah. So they only have like to go, they only have like three things to go for,

00:40:39.748 --> 00:40:43.090
<v Jeff>or three or four things ago. They have, they always have heady.

00:40:43.090 --> 00:40:44.411
<v Jeff>They always have focal banger.

00:40:44.891 --> 00:40:50.535
<v Jeff>And then they had like, They had Redemption? Yeah, it's Redemption.

00:40:50.535 --> 00:40:50.996
<v Shannon>Redemption.

00:40:53.078 --> 00:40:58.021
<v Jeff>And like one other thing to go. And we really liked this beer.

00:40:58.021 --> 00:41:02.084
<v Jeff>So they had it for cans to sell, but not for takeout. I asked them,

00:41:02.084 --> 00:41:03.445
<v Jeff>and they're like, no, next week.

00:41:06.628 --> 00:41:09.810
<v Jeff>And so we did our thing. And we went to Burlington, which is about 40 minutes

00:41:09.810 --> 00:41:12.432
<v Jeff>away from the Alchemist.

00:41:13.733 --> 00:41:19.237
<v Jeff>and you know we're like okay just not in the cards to get a can of Crusher or

00:41:19.237 --> 00:41:20.718
<v Jeff>a four-pack of Crusher or anything like that.

00:41:21.399 --> 00:41:25.441
<v Jeff>And then the day that we went to Von Traff we decided to go climb Mount Mansfield

00:41:25.441 --> 00:41:29.464
<v Jeff>which is the tallest mountain in Vermont and on the way to Mount Mansfield.

00:41:29.464 --> 00:41:32.386
<v Greg>I just think there's a such a funny thought that would never enter my mind.

00:41:32.867 --> 00:41:35.349
<v Greg>Oh let's go climb the tallest mountains near here.

00:41:35.349 --> 00:41:39.872
<v Shannon>It was a challenge and like no I respect it. Failure's not an option.

00:41:39.952 --> 00:41:44.065
<v Shannon>He was like, do you want to call the, do you want to climb the tallest one?

00:41:44.065 --> 00:41:49.720
<v Shannon>And this was the last of our hikes. And we'll talk about that in the post show, but yeah.

00:41:50.620 --> 00:41:54.944
<v Shannon>He gave me other options too, for the hike, but.

00:41:56.987 --> 00:42:00.129
<v Jeff>I had to go ahead and even though

00:42:00.129 --> 00:42:04.652
<v Jeff>I was really leery because of the dangerously exposed yeah we'll talk about

00:42:04.652 --> 00:42:12.337
<v Jeff>it portions of the hike yeah but we'll talk about the hike stuff in the post-show

00:42:12.337 --> 00:42:15.500
<v Jeff>real quick though we're going to Mount Mansfield we're nine minutes from the

00:42:15.500 --> 00:42:19.402
<v Jeff>trailhead and we drive past the alchemist again we're like what okay and

00:42:19.533 --> 00:42:23.245
<v Jeff>I'm like oh that's great because I want to go to Von Trapp we can do that and

00:42:23.245 --> 00:42:26.687
<v Jeff>then on when we're done hiking it was alchemist before And we're like,

00:42:26.687 --> 00:42:29.349
<v Jeff>they said Crusher was on next week.

00:42:29.349 --> 00:42:33.472
<v Jeff>It's Sunday. Is this next week?

00:42:33.913 --> 00:42:35.734
<v Jeff>We stopped, Crusher was on. It was.

00:42:35.734 --> 00:42:37.395
<v Greg>Yes. It was next week.

00:42:38.556 --> 00:42:45.021
<v Shannon>And they have a pull up as to the parking and going in. You can pull up, somebody comes out.

00:42:45.021 --> 00:42:45.981
<v Greg>Is that true?

00:42:45.981 --> 00:42:47.422
<v Shannon>You can place your order.

00:42:47.422 --> 00:42:49.357
<v Greg>That's a little point of sale thing, and they place your order,

00:42:49.357 --> 00:42:53.887
<v Greg>they bring beer out to you. Now, the way, there's not a ton of parking there.

00:42:53.887 --> 00:42:57.950
<v Jeff>There's tons of people hanging out. It's a really smart thing.

00:42:57.950 --> 00:42:59.151
<v Jeff>It doesn't tie up parking.

00:42:59.291 --> 00:43:02.313
<v Jeff>It doesn't tie up people at the counter, you know, so.

00:43:04.255 --> 00:43:07.937
<v Greg>Okay, so back onto the beer itself, Crusher.

00:43:09.539 --> 00:43:13.461
<v Greg>Another dank one. This is particularly dank in the aroma. This is,

00:43:13.461 --> 00:43:17.985
<v Greg>I'm getting, this is the most aroma I think I've had today from an IPA, at least.

00:43:21.047 --> 00:43:23.169
<v Jeff>Sure, if they divulge their hops. I know.

00:43:23.509 --> 00:43:26.771
<v Greg>Yes, they do. Well, it says dry hopped with Citra.

00:43:26.771 --> 00:43:31.775
<v Jeff>Okay. Fiddlehead, she told me, we do not divulge our hops.

00:43:33.497 --> 00:43:36.118
<v Jeff>And I wasn't even specifically asking about the kinds of hops.

00:43:36.118 --> 00:43:37.319
<v Jeff>I was just asking about the character.

00:43:37.319 --> 00:43:38.180
<v Greg>And I don't really care.

00:43:39.601 --> 00:43:40.621
<v Shannon>Yeah, we wanted descriptions.

00:43:43.204 --> 00:43:46.866
<v Greg>I mean, that was not like, oh man, I have to know the hopping of Fiddlehead.

00:43:49.848 --> 00:43:53.851
<v Jeff>But so the aroma on this, I'm getting peaches and vanilla again.

00:43:53.851 --> 00:43:58.093
<v Greg>I'm getting, okay, I just had a taste and I see why you like.

00:43:58.654 --> 00:44:02.876
<v Shannon>A lot of vanilla. I haven't tasted it yet, but just on the nose.

00:44:04.077 --> 00:44:08.340
<v Greg>This is the more appropriate version of Heddy Topper for today,

00:44:08.340 --> 00:44:11.902
<v Greg>is I think the best way to think about it.

00:44:11.902 --> 00:44:19.567
<v Greg>Because it's still got a pretty sharp, there's, it's almost coming off metallic

00:44:19.567 --> 00:44:23.112
<v Greg>to me how hoppy it is in certain areas. Oh yeah, there's almost like a burn to it, right?

00:44:23.112 --> 00:44:26.457
<v Jeff>Like how there used to be hot burns with some of those beers in the West Coast.

00:44:26.457 --> 00:44:33.106
<v Greg>Yeah, it ends very resiny, like on the tongue, but it is much more approachable

00:44:33.106 --> 00:44:36.711
<v Greg>under today's understanding of hazy IPAs than The Alchemist was.

00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:41.402
<v Jeff>Than Heddy Topper. This is the outcome.

00:44:41.402 --> 00:44:46.705
<v Greg>Yes. Yes. Heddy Topper is what I mean. Great. Um, in terms of color,

00:44:46.705 --> 00:44:48.226
<v Greg>it kind of looks the same, right.

00:44:48.226 --> 00:44:50.368
<v Greg>In terms of everything else about it. So this is like, yeah,

00:44:50.368 --> 00:44:52.349
<v Greg>this is the more modern Heddy Topper.

00:44:52.349 --> 00:44:59.034
<v Greg>I still don't think it's, it's, it's that great because I think that the,

00:44:59.034 --> 00:45:06.919
<v Greg>it's too resiny at the end. That, that is, When I get things at Virgil Metallic, I don't know.

00:45:08.581 --> 00:45:12.183
<v Jeff>Surprisingly, this was canned on 7-12. I wouldn't have expected it to be so old.

00:45:12.564 --> 00:45:15.986
<v Shannon>Why they wouldn't sell it until last week.

00:45:17.908 --> 00:45:19.388
<v Jeff>They want to have scarcity.

00:45:19.388 --> 00:45:20.509
<v Shannon>They want artificial, yeah.

00:45:25.173 --> 00:45:28.655
<v Jeff>Yeah, I'm surprised about beer. The prices were surprisingly good for that,

00:45:28.655 --> 00:45:30.196
<v Jeff>for to-go beers at the office.

00:45:30.196 --> 00:45:31.457
<v Shannon>Oh, yeah, they were.

00:45:32.478 --> 00:45:36.560
<v Jeff>It was four, we got just four, four packs, right?

00:45:36.861 --> 00:45:38.282
<v Shannon>Yeah, for like $56 or something.

00:45:38.282 --> 00:45:44.286
<v Greg>Okay, well, so there's something on the back here. There's a little bit of a story, I guess.

00:45:46.749 --> 00:45:49.991
<v Greg>Crusher is an American double in the apparel aisle that I started making years,

00:45:49.991 --> 00:45:55.135
<v Greg>this is John Kimmich, who's the brewer, that I started making years ago at the old pub.

00:45:55.135 --> 00:45:59.398
<v Greg>Hop heads were constantly asking for more hops, which is kind of hilarious to

00:45:59.398 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Greg>me, because have you tried any tobacco?

00:46:03.402 --> 00:46:07.404
<v Greg>So in the words of Frank Zappa, did you say you want more? Well, here's some more.

00:46:10.406 --> 00:46:13.148
<v Greg>While I enjoy Haas with the rest of them, I still try to maintain some semblance

00:46:13.148 --> 00:46:13.988
<v Greg>of balance and drinkability.

00:46:16.030 --> 00:46:19.652
<v Greg>Beer is oozing with Haas flavor and aroma with a very dry finish.

00:46:19.652 --> 00:46:24.776
<v Greg>I think that's all true, but I also think the finish is very resin-y and bitter.

00:46:25.817 --> 00:46:33.422
<v Greg>So it's, I think like, if you ask the question, what would Hedy Topper be like more drinkable?

00:46:34.103 --> 00:46:38.206
<v Greg>This is the answer. If you ask what, I also kind of think if you ask what,

00:46:38.206 --> 00:46:47.093
<v Greg>what is, what is a stone, like if you take out some of the more offensive parts,

00:46:47.093 --> 00:46:48.854
<v Greg>it's still kind of like this.

00:46:50.986 --> 00:46:55.039
<v Greg>they're still about crushing you with hops.

00:46:57.180 --> 00:47:01.222
<v Greg>Yeah, so this is, you know, this is a, this is a hazy, arrogant bastard,

00:47:01.222 --> 00:47:02.543
<v Greg>but a drinkable version of it.

00:47:03.643 --> 00:47:10.466
<v Greg>But I'm not a big fan, I'll be honest. How about you, Shannon?

00:47:10.466 --> 00:47:12.287
<v Shannon>I just had one of these the other night.

00:47:14.602 --> 00:47:19.806
<v Shannon>And I'm wondering if it's because I've brushed my teeth and Remember,

00:47:19.806 --> 00:47:22.328
<v Shannon>we're probably because we're paying such good.

00:47:22.328 --> 00:47:26.111
<v Shannon>Yeah, this is Perfectly drinkable beer that if you had it,

00:47:26.111 --> 00:47:30.215
<v Shannon>you know, just while you're doing something else you'd be fine with it but if

00:47:30.215 --> 00:47:36.179
<v Shannon>we're Really putting our analysis, you know our hats on and going telling that

00:47:36.179 --> 00:47:39.222
<v Shannon>there's it's a little bit of a disappointment tonight

00:47:39.622 --> 00:47:45.426
<v Shannon>um It's still a great beer,

00:47:45.426 --> 00:47:50.530
<v Shannon>but there's a lot of that resin-y,

00:47:50.530 --> 00:48:01.257
<v Shannon>I don't know, it's just that metallic kind of taste that just lingers.

00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:07.782
<v Shannon>It's the lingering, I think, that makes it so weird because two days ago,

00:48:07.942 --> 00:48:12.965
<v Shannon>She and I both had Crusher and Phil Lead, and they were just way more delicious

00:48:12.965 --> 00:48:17.658
<v Shannon>in the setting where we drank them two days ago than right now. Yeah.

00:48:17.658 --> 00:48:25.073
<v Greg>I get it. That's something that can happen. I bet you did not expect this late

00:48:25.073 --> 00:48:31.898
<v Greg>cruiser to be shining heads and tails over everything else. That was just a starter.

00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:37.777
<v Greg>But it's, it's funny how things, you know, what, what happens when you,

00:48:37.777 --> 00:48:41.885
<v Greg>when you put that microscope on, when you, when you change your mode.

00:48:47.449 --> 00:48:51.852
<v Greg>Well, why, at the end of the day, we, you know, we crossed you. So what does that say?

00:48:51.852 --> 00:48:54.314
<v Jeff>Exactly.

00:48:54.314 --> 00:48:55.575
<v Greg>All right. So what do we have next?

00:48:56.656 --> 00:48:59.858
<v Jeff>Another Vermont beer. This is from Foam Breweries in Burlington.

00:48:59.858 --> 00:49:04.842
<v Jeff>And this is, um, that was another rainy day trip.

00:49:04.922 --> 00:49:05.222
<v Shannon>Yeah.

00:49:05.222 --> 00:49:06.083
<v Jeff>Built to spill.

00:49:06.644 --> 00:49:07.764
<v Shannon>Built to spill.

00:49:11.667 --> 00:49:12.708
<v Greg>I can't type right.

00:49:15.210 --> 00:49:20.654
<v Greg>Built to spill is a rock band. It is. What does anything to do with the rock band?

00:49:22.165 --> 00:49:25.938
<v Greg>They're an American indie rock band that formed in Boise, Idaho in 1992.

00:49:25.938 --> 00:49:30.321
<v Jeff>Probably not, unless they're in Burlington now.

00:49:33.327 --> 00:49:34.890
<v Shannon>Alright, well, I didn't write that down.

00:49:38.359 --> 00:49:39.180
<v Greg>What's the brewery?

00:49:39.180 --> 00:49:40.080
<v Jeff>Foam Brewers. F-O-A-M?

00:49:48.812 --> 00:49:54.176
<v Jeff>Is it possible that Built to Spill is the line of beers and the beer is called

00:49:54.176 --> 00:49:56.958
<v Jeff>Jackson Tupper? No. No? Okay.

00:49:56.958 --> 00:50:03.113
<v Greg>This is literally called Built to Spill. Okay. And it is 8% alcohol by volume.

00:50:04.144 --> 00:50:13.051
<v Greg>The artist's name is Jackson Tupper, the artist of the label. And let's see.

00:50:13.051 --> 00:50:19.516
<v Shannon>This is Candle on My Birthday. Birthday. Oh, and there's a time stamp on this one, too.

00:50:20.016 --> 00:50:25.160
<v Greg>What's the day? So I don't know your birthday July 19th, July 19th Happy happy belated birthday.

00:50:25.160 --> 00:50:37.910
<v Shannon>Thank you and He took me to a amazing restaurant While we were out there and cool main after we hiked,

00:50:39.391 --> 00:50:40.912
<v Shannon>We went home and showered.

00:50:40.912 --> 00:50:45.784
<v Greg>Yeah, we went home of course, right but so we're probably like I'm like,

00:50:45.784 --> 00:50:50.999
<v Greg>could you give me something to eat?

00:50:50.999 --> 00:50:56.143
<v Shannon>9.08. It doesn't say AM or PM, so I'm not really sure if it was...

00:50:56.984 --> 00:51:02.027
<v Greg>Probably not running at 9 PM. Probably not. So I don't see anything indicating

00:51:02.027 --> 00:51:03.408
<v Greg>that it has anything to do with the band.

00:51:03.768 --> 00:51:08.111
<v Greg>But it was just funny that Built to Spill was by far the first thing that came up.

00:51:09.173 --> 00:51:13.036
<v Greg>So none of this has anything about, like, I'm going to first Build to Spill

00:51:13.036 --> 00:51:14.838
<v Greg>just on Google and none of this is anything about the beer.

00:51:15.919 --> 00:51:17.240
<v Shannon>What's the description on this?

00:51:17.240 --> 00:51:18.140
<v Jeff>There's none. parallel.

00:51:27.308 --> 00:51:31.110
<v Greg>So color-wise we have a very light straw color. Very.

00:51:31.471 --> 00:51:36.594
<v Greg>It's a hazy, so you know that we're not going to be able to,

00:51:36.594 --> 00:51:40.097
<v Greg>it's, oh, it's not opaque. That's the word I'm looking for.

00:51:41.238 --> 00:51:43.319
<v Greg>One where you can see light through it.

00:51:43.319 --> 00:51:45.735
<v Jeff>Uh, translucent?

00:51:45.735 --> 00:51:46.942
<v Greg>Translucent.

00:51:46.942 --> 00:51:51.605
<v Jeff>Uh, the smell on this one's not fruity. It's stay away from fruit for me.

00:51:51.846 --> 00:51:54.927
<v Jeff>But I already, I already mouthed it.

00:51:57.289 --> 00:51:59.250
<v Shannon>And I have to admit, I love that phrasing.

00:51:59.250 --> 00:52:01.051
<v Greg>I already mouthed it. That's wonderful.

00:52:01.051 --> 00:52:04.974
<v Jeff>That's from the whiskey tribe. You two, they don't drink. They mouth it.

00:52:07.616 --> 00:52:08.756
<v Shannon>I have to admit.

00:52:08.756 --> 00:52:10.137
<v Greg>Hat tip to the whiskey tribe.

00:52:10.137 --> 00:52:11.277
<v Shannon>It is definitely fruity.

00:52:11.277 --> 00:52:18.082
<v Jeff>Oh, yeah. OK, so, yeah, the aroma is super closed off for me.

00:52:18.082 --> 00:52:27.007
<v Greg>I'm getting lemon, orange, and again, like the lemon orange oils.

00:52:28.768 --> 00:52:31.890
<v Jeff>Take a sip, because it'll confirm what your nose is telling you.

00:52:32.071 --> 00:52:33.912
<v Jeff>There's definitely a lemon oily thing.

00:52:34.513 --> 00:52:37.954
<v Jeff>It's like number one for me.

00:52:37.954 --> 00:52:42.127
<v Greg>Yep. Okay. Okay. Yeah, this is different.

00:52:45.980 --> 00:52:50.683
<v Greg>Because this is like, with that oily thing, you get sort of that resin or whatever

00:52:50.683 --> 00:52:56.087
<v Greg>that is up front, but it doesn't leave you with a lingering resiny.

00:52:58.030 --> 00:53:04.175
<v Greg>It leaves you with sort of a lingering somewhat spicy, hoppy note, I guess.

00:53:06.117 --> 00:53:07.898
<v Greg>Yes, a little bit, a little bit.

00:53:10.681 --> 00:53:16.146
<v Greg>Maybe even merging on Piney, but the big resin notes are right up front. Yeah.

00:53:19.157 --> 00:53:23.760
<v Jeff>Yeah, it's almost like one of those lemon hard candies. You get flavors from that.

00:53:24.240 --> 00:53:29.885
<v Shannon>What is that hard candy? Because that's what I was thinking of, the lemon hard candies.

00:53:30.325 --> 00:53:36.289
<v Greg>I just know they're like grandma candies. I don't know what else to say about them.

00:53:37.791 --> 00:53:41.934
<v Jeff>When you get little cough drops, but without all the menthol.

00:53:41.934 --> 00:53:44.636
<v Greg>They used to be like hot candies, right?

00:53:44.636 --> 00:53:48.779
<v Jeff>Yeah. We probably made them here in Pittsburgh. There was probably other ones,

00:53:48.779 --> 00:53:51.140
<v Jeff>but a guy made them here in Pittsburgh, and we had a handful.

00:53:52.021 --> 00:53:56.383
<v Jeff>They were only, it was so far back that they were just made with Cascade and

00:53:56.383 --> 00:54:00.666
<v Jeff>Chinook and things like that. They were mildly interesting. I bet you they'd be a lot better today.

00:54:01.327 --> 00:54:07.350
<v Greg>Yeah, it'd be cool to be able to get a hit of some hops without having to drink

00:54:07.350 --> 00:54:14.475
<v Greg>a beer to do it, without having to get a bunch of alcohol in you to get a nice flavor of hop.

00:54:15.676 --> 00:54:19.990
<v Jeff>There are the hop seltzers that are, but like the, the Laganita's a good one.

00:54:19.990 --> 00:54:23.842
<v Greg>I liked them, but- I've never had one actually. I don't think I've ever had

00:54:23.842 --> 00:54:28.065
<v Greg>a hop seltzer, but that feels like, it's still a whole drink you have to do

00:54:28.065 --> 00:54:29.546
<v Greg>as opposed to a little can of it.

00:54:30.247 --> 00:54:34.851
<v Jeff>I liked them, but they weren't at a price point where it could be like the thing in your fridge to drink.

00:54:34.851 --> 00:54:38.153
<v Greg>Sure, sure. Like, it's not going to be like a LaCroix or something.

00:54:38.153 --> 00:54:45.239
<v Greg>Yeah. Okay, this is, this is definitely one of the more interesting beers we've

00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:50.743
<v Greg>had tonight because in terms of IPAs doing something I haven't really had before.

00:54:51.324 --> 00:54:54.586
<v Jeff>I almost put this one back on the shelf so you didn't have to drink yet another

00:54:54.586 --> 00:55:01.050
<v Jeff>IPA. I'm glad I left it out. Yeah. I'm just really worried that if we sit on

00:55:01.050 --> 00:55:03.392
<v Jeff>the IPAs for too long, they're gonna fade.

00:55:03.392 --> 00:55:06.454
<v Greg>No, I totally get it. No, I understand the motivation.

00:55:08.476 --> 00:55:14.320
<v Shannon>Believe me, there's a much larger variety of stuff down there. That's not all I think.

00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:15.221
<v Greg>Let's get something.

00:55:15.442 --> 00:55:19.063
<v Jeff>Yeah, we can get a dessert beer. I'm going to grab a dessert beer. Yeah.

00:55:20.985 --> 00:55:22.826
<v Greg>In the meantime, we will stall.

00:55:23.306 --> 00:55:28.630
<v Shannon>We will stall or we will talk.

00:55:28.630 --> 00:55:34.287
<v Greg>Oh yeah, it's a whole new feature of the show. And there is,

00:55:34.287 --> 00:55:38.437
<v Greg>and hopefully those mic sounds you won't hear because the AI will take care

00:55:38.437 --> 00:55:39.858
<v Greg>of them all. Let's hope so.

00:55:39.858 --> 00:55:42.881
<v Shannon>And let's hope the recording is perfect.

00:55:42.881 --> 00:55:46.203
<v Greg>Oh, God. Yeah. Well, I haven't seen you for a month. It's good to see you.

00:55:46.203 --> 00:55:50.386
<v Shannon>I know. I missed you. Although I have to tell you.

00:55:52.868 --> 00:55:53.869
<v Shannon>I love Maine.

00:55:55.250 --> 00:55:56.771
<v Greg>How could you not? I love Cape Cod.

00:55:59.394 --> 00:56:03.881
<v Greg>And there's nothing it's a beautiful place, and there's things that you can't

00:56:03.881 --> 00:56:06.453
<v Greg>get there that you can't get here, which is nice. Bye.

00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:13.642
<v Greg>I think it's also nice to visit a place and to be a little sad you didn't get

00:56:13.642 --> 00:56:17.325
<v Greg>to experience everything you wanted to, as opposed to being just, all right, I'm done.

00:56:18.466 --> 00:56:21.849
<v Greg>I can go back now. Yeah.

00:56:21.849 --> 00:56:28.294
<v Shannon>I don't know. I felt like this is the place I need to be.

00:56:28.294 --> 00:56:33.458
<v Greg>I think that it's good to have that pull, because I felt like that when I was

00:56:33.458 --> 00:56:38.182
<v Greg>in Seattle. It was just, it was such a beautiful place. And just everything

00:56:38.182 --> 00:56:42.645
<v Greg>about it was amazing. It was like, I, I, man, if I could live here, that'd be so cool.

00:56:42.645 --> 00:56:52.591
<v Shannon>Yeah. I remember loving Seattle and I've been there multiple times, um, and San Francisco.

00:56:54.773 --> 00:57:02.679
<v Shannon>And, uh, I went to, gosh, I can't remember the beach that I went to right before

00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:06.861
<v Shannon>I left San Francisco, but, um, Half Moon Bay. Right.

00:57:06.861 --> 00:57:08.182
<v Greg>Right.

00:57:08.182 --> 00:57:11.544
<v Shannon>Yeah. And I remember how beautiful that was.

00:57:13.705 --> 00:57:18.688
<v Shannon>And I've been longing for that ever since, you know, because I grew up in Florida.

00:57:18.688 --> 00:57:19.268
<v Greg>Sure.

00:57:19.268 --> 00:57:25.912
<v Shannon>I love the beaches, but I also love the mountains. So, when we got to Maine,

00:57:25.912 --> 00:57:32.175
<v Shannon>I was just like, oh my gosh, this is the best of everything.

00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:46.504
<v Shannon>Everything that we love, or I love, but Jeff loves too, you have the Four Seasons.

00:57:47.585 --> 00:57:53.568
<v Shannon>When it's cold, it stays cold. So you're not falling out and then trying to readjust.

00:57:54.349 --> 00:58:00.013
<v Shannon>But you've got those mountains and the ocean and the...

00:58:02.001 --> 00:58:07.685
<v Greg>You also happen to be in an area of the United States that is not as grossly

00:58:07.685 --> 00:58:11.107
<v Greg>affected by climate change as the rest of the country.

00:58:11.107 --> 00:58:20.653
<v Shannon>It is the least populated state. It has the best air quality of all the states in the U.S.

00:58:23.435 --> 00:58:27.837
<v Shannon>Um, and, oh, what are,

00:58:27.837 --> 00:58:36.342
<v Shannon>we tried to find some reasons not to want to move there, and we really couldn't

00:58:36.342 --> 00:58:39.204
<v Shannon>come up with any. And we even talked to Mainers, and...

00:58:40.765 --> 00:58:49.292
<v Greg>I would think that one of the reasons would be winters can be just a empty landscape

00:58:49.292 --> 00:58:52.835
<v Greg>of of white and feet of it. Yeah, for sure.

00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:03.183
<v Shannon>The nice thing about it for us, we have those hobbies,

00:59:03.183 --> 00:59:08.447
<v Shannon>you know, the woodworking, these things that we can do indoors,

00:59:08.447 --> 00:59:15.817
<v Shannon>and we can do those in the winter and not feel guilty about not being outside,

00:59:15.817 --> 00:59:22.418
<v Shannon>you know, and that will keep us occupied and keep us from going stir-crazy in the winter.

00:59:22.418 --> 00:59:23.259
<v Jeff>Or at least we hope.

00:59:24.260 --> 00:59:26.241
<v Shannon>I mean, that's the thought, like, ugh.

00:59:26.741 --> 00:59:29.704
<v Greg>We can talk more about this on the post-show,

00:59:29.704 --> 00:59:33.268
<v Greg>because I do also want to talk about sort of what advantages Pittsburgh has,

00:59:33.268 --> 00:59:38.473
<v Greg>which you don't necessarily always think about, but which I think that we,

00:59:38.473 --> 00:59:42.998
<v Greg>the fact that we live here is not necessarily a coincidence.

00:59:47.209 --> 00:59:51.752
<v Jeff>All right. So I brought two. I'll let you choose. Maybe we have one,

00:59:51.752 --> 00:59:53.833
<v Jeff>maybe we have both. I don't know, I don't make the rules.

00:59:54.273 --> 00:59:56.495
<v Jeff>We have one from Lone Pine called Holy Donut.

00:59:56.975 --> 01:00:01.178
<v Jeff>It is a beer with cacao nibs and toasted coconut aged in bourbon barrels.

01:00:01.178 --> 01:00:06.361
<v Jeff>Sure. And then we have Foul Mouth Brewing Company Grand Cru,

01:00:06.361 --> 01:00:09.143
<v Jeff>which is a barrel-aged strong ale.

01:00:11.144 --> 01:00:14.206
<v Jeff>Uh, three years aging, careful blending.

01:00:16.268 --> 01:00:21.712
<v Greg>So the line here is both of these are barrel aged. Both of these are around what, 10% you said?

01:00:22.132 --> 01:00:26.515
<v Jeff>I didn't say, but I'm sure they're, this one was bottled in 2020.

01:00:26.515 --> 01:00:28.917
<v Jeff>This one was bottled a year ago.

01:00:31.419 --> 01:00:33.300
<v Jeff>Um, looking for the ABV, 11.3.

01:00:33.300 --> 01:00:38.204
<v Greg>Versus, I think it was 10, 10 and a half.

01:00:39.105 --> 01:00:41.266
<v Shannon>I'll be right back while you all decide.

01:00:42.848 --> 01:00:45.370
<v Jeff>I don't see it. Do you see it?

01:00:45.370 --> 01:00:48.131
<v Greg>Did I hear it? I thought, yeah, it's right there in the middle, right?

01:00:48.131 --> 01:00:49.932
<v Jeff>The middle. Oh, 10 and a half.

01:00:49.932 --> 01:00:50.913
<v Greg>Whoa. Whoa.

01:00:50.913 --> 01:00:54.135
<v Jeff>Yeah, you can't put your headphones next to the microphone.

01:00:54.176 --> 01:00:56.537
<v Greg>I'm sure the AI will take care of that, so you don't hear that.

01:00:57.658 --> 01:01:02.882
<v Greg>Unless we're stuck with the backup recording that you then don't process at all.

01:01:02.882 --> 01:01:03.302
<v Jeff>You hear it every time.

01:01:03.302 --> 01:01:06.304
<v Greg>Right. Okay. I think, Hmm.

01:01:09.206 --> 01:01:12.569
<v Greg>Like I say, if we were only doing one, then I probably would go for the foul

01:01:12.569 --> 01:01:16.671
<v Greg>mouth. But if we're doing both and we might probably do a long post show.

01:01:16.671 --> 01:01:20.554
<v Jeff>So probably we don't make the rules. Yeah, rules are made to be broken.

01:01:21.335 --> 01:01:24.297
<v Jeff>All right. Holy donut from Malone Pine.

01:01:25.938 --> 01:01:30.041
<v Jeff>We visited the taproom in Portland, Maine. I think their main brewery is outside

01:01:30.041 --> 01:01:31.702
<v Jeff>of Portland and Gorham, Maine.

01:01:35.345 --> 01:01:40.687
<v Greg>Okay, so Holy Donut is a place in Portland, Maine. So I imagine this is...

01:01:40.687 --> 01:01:42.187
<v Jeff>It could be a collab?

01:01:42.187 --> 01:01:42.487
<v Greg>Collab,

01:01:47.281 --> 01:01:48.422
<v Greg>Holy doughnut beer.

01:01:50.904 --> 01:01:51.664
<v Greg>Lone Pine.

01:01:54.086 --> 01:01:56.147
<v Greg>They also have a blueberry glaze version.

01:02:04.113 --> 01:02:09.797
<v Greg>Wow. Okay. I mean, if something says doughnut on it, you should expect that kind of aroma.

01:02:09.797 --> 01:02:14.560
<v Jeff>We're going to be drinking bourbon barrel aged and sour shit for the next six months.

01:02:14.560 --> 01:02:21.405
<v Greg>Oh, great. But I mean, legit. Great, because that's always awesome stuff.

01:02:21.405 --> 01:02:25.008
<v Greg>But OK, so is there anything else on this holy donut?

01:02:25.809 --> 01:02:29.211
<v Greg>Because it seems like all of the holy donuts, there are a bunch of comparisons

01:02:29.211 --> 01:02:32.474
<v Greg>and there are a bunch of collaborations and they all have flavors.

01:02:32.474 --> 01:02:35.156
<v Shannon>It says, caution, beer in this bottle is delicious.

01:02:35.516 --> 01:02:36.416
<v Greg>May I see it?

01:02:37.057 --> 01:02:38.798
<v Jeff>Is the cocoa nibs coconut?

01:02:38.798 --> 01:02:40.019
<v Greg>That's what I was looking for.

01:02:41.120 --> 01:02:45.443
<v Shannon>All right. What are we looking at? The Holy Donut. Now that I'm back, this is from?

01:02:46.404 --> 01:02:47.085
<v Jeff>Lone Pine.

01:02:49.186 --> 01:02:50.027
<v Jeff>Actually, Lone Pine.

01:02:50.687 --> 01:02:52.348
<v Shannon>Lone Pine. Where was that?

01:02:52.348 --> 01:02:57.372
<v Jeff>That was the day that we were after kayaking. Okay, so it was the one,

01:02:57.372 --> 01:03:00.394
<v Jeff>remember there was the one in the front and then the back above it,

01:03:00.394 --> 01:03:01.335
<v Jeff>it was the one in the front.

01:03:01.335 --> 01:03:02.896
<v Shannon>Okay. So this is their first one.

01:03:02.896 --> 01:03:06.259
<v Greg>Holy Donut. Their dark chocolate toasted coconut.

01:03:09.982 --> 01:03:11.403
<v Greg>And it's taking a little bit to load.

01:03:11.763 --> 01:03:15.046
<v Jeff>It was bottled May 13th of last year.

01:03:17.388 --> 01:03:19.710
<v Greg>Well, this is the first time they're showing up on their list,

01:03:19.710 --> 01:03:21.998
<v Greg>but I don't know whether it's the first one. They released it,

01:03:21.998 --> 01:03:27.236
<v Greg>it was April 2019. This one was bottled in 2020.

01:03:27.236 --> 01:03:27.836
<v Jeff>Interesting. Interesting.

01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:39.206
<v Jeff>That smells good. The aroma is a combination of barrel aging oak and bourbon

01:03:39.206 --> 01:03:41.267
<v Jeff>and it is of toasted coconut.

01:03:41.848 --> 01:03:44.930
<v Jeff>The cocoa nibs don't really come through in their own but the coconut does.

01:03:45.471 --> 01:03:47.312
<v Shannon>Definitely the coconut and the barrel.

01:03:48.573 --> 01:03:53.557
<v Jeff>Little raisiny, like the imperial style part of it is kind of that like kind

01:03:53.557 --> 01:03:57.079
<v Jeff>of raisiny kind of of barley roasted malt kind of aroma.

01:03:57.980 --> 01:04:04.565
<v Greg>Okay, so this is made with Columbus hops, really classic, just there to add

01:04:04.565 --> 01:04:09.229
<v Greg>a little bit bitterness to counteract the sweetness, not really flavoring much at all. Yep.

01:04:09.229 --> 01:04:12.590
<v Jeff>Use them early in the boil, so they just provide the bittering components.

01:04:13.611 --> 01:04:17.734
<v Greg>In terms of malt, we got pale carapil, roasted barley, chocolate malt.

01:04:20.196 --> 01:04:23.999
<v Greg>And in terms of other, Main potato donuts from the Holy Donut.

01:04:25.940 --> 01:04:27.541
<v Greg>Toasted coconut and cocoa.

01:04:29.423 --> 01:04:30.684
<v Jeff>Potato donuts, huh?

01:04:30.684 --> 01:04:31.464
<v Greg>Potato donuts.

01:04:31.464 --> 01:04:31.865
<v Shannon>Potato donuts.

01:04:31.865 --> 01:04:33.006
<v Greg>So the Holy Donut.

01:04:33.006 --> 01:04:37.309
<v Shannon>Oh, we did. We read that. Yes. And we never had any. No, we didn't.

01:04:37.309 --> 01:04:40.531
<v Jeff>Before we left, we read about potato donuts. I'm like, we should try those.

01:04:40.561 --> 01:04:44.814
<v Shannon>I mean, potato bread is really sweet and delicious, so I don't see why potato donuts wouldn't be.

01:04:44.875 --> 01:04:48.657
<v Jeff>But we forgot about them until you just made us realize, now we have to go back.

01:04:48.657 --> 01:04:53.181
<v Shannon>Shoot. Next week?

01:04:56.623 --> 01:05:01.266
<v Greg>The Holy Donut, so when you were away, we found out, because the first result

01:05:01.266 --> 01:05:06.350
<v Greg>from the Holy Donut was, in fact, the Holy Donut, which is a donut place in

01:05:06.350 --> 01:05:08.491
<v Greg>Portland. So this is a collaboration.

01:05:09.773 --> 01:05:15.757
<v Greg>And they have a bunch of different flavors, but this is the dark chocolate toasted coconut version.

01:05:17.578 --> 01:05:19.639
<v Shannon>Definitely, definitely smelled the dark chocolate.

01:05:21.321 --> 01:05:25.104
<v Greg>I mean, you get this, I mean, the first thing I think you notice is like,

01:05:25.104 --> 01:05:28.407
<v Greg>just off the bat, sweet and there's, and barely.

01:05:30.409 --> 01:05:34.492
<v Greg>But yeah, when you, when you delve into it, That cocoa really comes through.

01:05:36.804 --> 01:05:39.506
<v Jeff>We just pulled these out of the fridge, and these are the beers that should

01:05:39.506 --> 01:05:43.529
<v Jeff>be drank the warmest. So we're all here clamping our hands around our Spiegel

01:05:43.529 --> 01:05:46.451
<v Jeff>beer tulips, warming those beers up.

01:05:46.451 --> 01:05:50.653
<v Greg>Yeah, and feeling that cold spot in your hands, you know, is sort of indicative

01:05:50.653 --> 01:05:53.856
<v Greg>of, okay, this thing needs a lot of heat put into it.

01:05:53.856 --> 01:05:57.058
<v Shannon>A lot. I mean, I took a sip already, and it just tasted kind of...

01:05:57.058 --> 01:06:00.680
<v Jeff>No. But it's too cold, right? So it tasted kind of sharp and monotone.

01:06:02.181 --> 01:06:08.426
<v Greg>Yeah, this needs to be, I would say ideally, you need this to be probably at least 50 degrees.

01:06:10.728 --> 01:06:13.730
<v Greg>Fahrenheit, which, let's see, Celsius, God, I don't know.

01:06:14.391 --> 01:06:15.831
<v Shannon>I've never learned how to convert.

01:06:15.831 --> 01:06:17.372
<v Greg>12, something like that.

01:06:19.915 --> 01:06:23.137
<v Jeff>You multiply it by five and divide it by nine and then that.

01:06:24.738 --> 01:06:30.803
<v Shannon>Old enough now that I don't need to know. It's fine. That's what Google's for.

01:06:32.164 --> 01:06:38.087
<v Greg>Somewhere in that range, between 12% and 20%, I think, is where you want it to be at least.

01:06:40.669 --> 01:06:43.770
<v Greg>So I'm thinking, because, let's see, because here's the way I think about it.

01:06:43.770 --> 01:06:49.692
<v Greg>OK, zero is freezing. And I know that, like, 50 degrees is, like, way too hot for people.

01:06:50.893 --> 01:06:51.854
<v Greg>Like, that's like 120.

01:06:51.854 --> 01:06:54.215
<v Jeff>Like, 28's a nice, like, a hot day. Right.

01:06:59.323 --> 01:07:03.846
<v Jeff>So yeah, probably 10 to 12 degrees, probably in the 50s. Yeah.

01:07:03.846 --> 01:07:08.129
<v Jeff>I would think 55 would be a really good spot for the, you know,

01:07:08.129 --> 01:07:12.853
<v Jeff>just because we're talking about stupid things. But yeah, 50 would be good, I think up to 55.

01:07:13.233 --> 01:07:18.077
<v Jeff>Getting up to 60s, probably going to get a little too warm. Like, yeah.

01:07:18.938 --> 01:07:22.160
<v Greg>Apologies to everyone who's not in the US that we're using these weird ingredients.

01:07:22.160 --> 01:07:23.861
<v Jeff>Maybe Maybe the AI will fix it for us.

01:07:24.682 --> 01:07:29.185
<v Greg>But, I will say on the other hand, come on guys, you all know that you have

01:07:29.185 --> 01:07:31.327
<v Greg>some stupid things that you continue to do too.

01:07:31.988 --> 01:07:33.689
<v Greg>This is our thing, let us have it.

01:07:39.193 --> 01:07:42.015
<v Shannon>It's still not warm enough. I don't wanna taste it yet.

01:07:42.015 --> 01:07:42.696
<v Jeff>It's getting there.

01:07:45.058 --> 01:07:47.900
<v Greg>I agree, from the taste it is still not warm enough, but.

01:07:49.421 --> 01:07:52.443
<v Greg>I know when you did. There's a lot there, there's a lot there.

01:07:53.104 --> 01:07:54.365
<v Greg>There's, ooh, there's caramel.

01:07:55.166 --> 01:07:59.549
<v Greg>There is, mm, that's real good.

01:08:01.570 --> 01:08:03.692
<v Greg>That's like a brownie, like a caramel.

01:08:03.692 --> 01:08:08.495
<v Shannon>Oh yeah, it does have a big like, like fresh out of the oven brownie type thing.

01:08:08.495 --> 01:08:14.680
<v Shannon>Yeah, one that's not fully cooked, that's still kind of doughy.

01:08:14.680 --> 01:08:17.161
<v Greg>A little walnut in there even, but yeah.

01:08:20.384 --> 01:08:24.567
<v Jeff>That's a good call, the walnut, because it makes me think, the walnut bitters

01:08:24.567 --> 01:08:28.090
<v Jeff>that I have for old fashions and stuff, I love that stuff, love it,

01:08:28.090 --> 01:08:31.532
<v Jeff>love it, love it. And as soon as you said walnut, I'm like, oh wait,

01:08:31.532 --> 01:08:33.253
<v Jeff>that's in there, yeah, I get it.

01:08:33.393 --> 01:08:36.736
<v Greg>That's probably because I had a walnut maple ice cream, there's plenty of great

01:08:36.736 --> 01:08:40.158
<v Greg>ice cream places around Cape Cod, and so I had some walnut maple ice cream,

01:08:40.158 --> 01:08:43.160
<v Greg>and I was like, that's a good combination.

01:08:45.002 --> 01:08:48.765
<v Greg>So Walnut was kind of like recently in my mind.

01:08:49.666 --> 01:08:51.426
<v Jeff>The palette drips kind of stuff.

01:08:51.426 --> 01:08:57.251
<v Greg>Yeah. Already, the nice thing is

01:08:57.251 --> 01:09:00.873
<v Greg>I can feel that, you know, my hands are transferring at least less heat.

01:09:01.394 --> 01:09:04.736
<v Greg>So there, so this is at a pretty good spot.

01:09:05.577 --> 01:09:11.601
<v Greg>Color wise, we have a very dark brown with, I don't know, I mean,

01:09:11.601 --> 01:09:15.575
<v Greg>you could probably call them tannish highlights, but it's pretty viscous.

01:09:15.575 --> 01:09:19.089
<v Jeff>It stains the side of the glass when you spilled it. It's not dark lord viscous,

01:09:19.089 --> 01:09:20.110
<v Jeff>but it's pretty viscous.

01:09:20.110 --> 01:09:24.515
<v Greg>It's, you see the lacing. Lacing definitely occurs here.

01:09:24.515 --> 01:09:30.981
<v Shannon>I'm gonna go ahead and admit that I'm ignorant to this. What, viscous? Mm, thick.

01:09:30.981 --> 01:09:32.283
<v Jeff>It sticks to the glass.

01:09:32.283 --> 01:09:35.466
<v Greg>Viscosity. So like honey is more viscous than water.

01:09:37.517 --> 01:09:40.858
<v Jeff>Okay. So, like, the glass is brown after you stand it back up.

01:09:40.858 --> 01:09:42.899
<v Jeff>The brown is sticking to the glass.

01:09:43.799 --> 01:09:45.319
<v Shannon>I should have known that.

01:09:46.900 --> 01:09:48.641
<v Greg>Hey, we all learn things almost like legs.

01:09:48.641 --> 01:09:55.364
<v Shannon>I mean, yeah. I mean, we called them... that's what I always referred to when I was drinking wine.

01:09:55.364 --> 01:10:03.267
<v Greg>We had legs. Yeah, it's similar on the,

01:10:11.030 --> 01:10:27.996
<v Greg>glass to legs, but I don't think it's necessarily from the same right?

01:10:29.218 --> 01:10:31.759
<v Greg>That would add to it. I don't know. It's hard to say.

01:10:31.759 --> 01:10:36.242
<v Jeff>I've never looked into it. But I mean, when I want an imperial stout that brings

01:10:36.242 --> 01:10:38.644
<v Jeff>the things, I want roast.

01:10:39.224 --> 01:10:44.648
<v Jeff>I want booziness. I want it to stain that glass brown after I tilt the glass.

01:10:45.899 --> 01:10:50.552
<v Greg>I would say that if you're looking for that perfect roasted stout,

01:10:50.552 --> 01:10:52.273
<v Greg>this is just a little bit too sweet.

01:10:54.896 --> 01:11:00.500
<v Greg>But it's nearing that. Like it's hitting those notes that you really, really, really want.

01:11:01.861 --> 01:11:07.025
<v Greg>So it's up there. But I think that, especially in the front of this,

01:11:07.025 --> 01:11:09.927
<v Greg>it's a little sweet. I mean, it's a donut beer.

01:11:10.628 --> 01:11:11.648
<v Jeff>A potato donut.

01:11:11.648 --> 01:11:15.231
<v Greg>A potato donut beer. It's gonna be sweet.

01:11:16.252 --> 01:11:20.075
<v Greg>So you wouldn't expect it necessarily to hit that perfect note,

01:11:20.075 --> 01:11:22.377
<v Greg>but it's getting close, which is impressive.

01:11:23.238 --> 01:11:27.881
<v Shannon>So when we're rating these at the end of the show, It's going to be really hard

01:11:27.881 --> 01:11:36.648
<v Shannon>because this is more of a dessert type of a beer.

01:11:36.648 --> 01:11:38.249
<v Jeff>But you make the rules.

01:11:38.930 --> 01:11:40.851
<v Greg>You can rate however you want.

01:11:40.851 --> 01:11:43.954
<v Jeff>Whatever you thought was the yummiest, whatever you think was most representative

01:11:43.954 --> 01:11:47.878
<v Jeff>of the style, what do you think just deserves props? I mean, whatever you want.

01:11:48.959 --> 01:11:51.402
<v Greg>We don't tell you how to grade it. We just tell you you have to.

01:11:53.445 --> 01:11:57.829
<v Greg>But you're, how you want to do it is, that's all you.

01:11:57.829 --> 01:12:00.312
<v Jeff>But you must stress over it. You can't just be flippant about it.

01:12:02.093 --> 01:12:05.835
<v Greg>We let it happen occasionally, and it's never fun unless you use something.

01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:14.082
<v Greg>It could be the one that's the most red, right, of them.

01:12:14.222 --> 01:12:17.665
<v Greg>But you've got to come up with it. But you've got to figure out why this one's

01:12:17.665 --> 01:12:21.328
<v Greg>more red than that one. Once you do, yeah, everything works.

01:12:21.328 --> 01:12:24.851
<v Greg>But if you're just flipping about it, we've tried it.

01:12:24.851 --> 01:12:25.691
<v Jeff>You'll break the show.

01:12:25.691 --> 01:12:30.996
<v Greg>It doesn't... It just... Yeah. If you break this show, the whole thing falls,

01:12:30.996 --> 01:12:35.139
<v Greg>and it's worse than deleting it. I don't know about that.

01:12:37.701 --> 01:12:41.223
<v Shannon>That's pretty devastated about episode 509, take one.

01:12:42.344 --> 01:12:43.498
<v Jeff>She was so mad. Not mad, sad.

01:12:43.498 --> 01:12:43.916
<v Shannon>I mean, not mad.

01:12:43.916 --> 01:12:44.646
<v Jeff>Sad, yeah.

01:12:44.646 --> 01:12:45.186
<v Shannon>Sad.

01:12:46.428 --> 01:12:47.568
<v Greg>Because it was a good show.

01:12:47.568 --> 01:12:48.428
<v Shannon>It really was.

01:12:48.428 --> 01:12:48.830
<v Greg>It was a good show that you have missed.

01:12:48.830 --> 01:12:52.492
<v Jeff>There's a lot of things we talked. We talked about Anchor Brewing and their

01:12:52.492 --> 01:12:54.293
<v Jeff>shutdown. It's been so long now.

01:12:54.293 --> 01:12:55.154
<v Greg>Yeah.

01:12:55.154 --> 01:12:59.758
<v Jeff>If you've been under a rock, Anchor Brewing, They were sold to an investor a

01:12:59.758 --> 01:13:03.580
<v Jeff>long time ago, and then to Sapporo after that, and Sapporo said, F you guys.

01:13:03.921 --> 01:13:08.284
<v Jeff>And then the employees tried to buy it, and Sapporo was like,

01:13:08.284 --> 01:13:09.285
<v Jeff>you ain't got enough money.

01:13:10.847 --> 01:13:14.028
<v Greg>So that's where we're at right now. Yeah, no, there was great stuff in that

01:13:14.028 --> 01:13:19.872
<v Greg>show. There were discussions, and there were revelations about each other.

01:13:19.952 --> 01:13:23.974
<v Greg>It was great. But we all know it's all more personal than anything else now

01:13:23.974 --> 01:13:28.737
<v Greg>because you guys missed out on it. But maybe if the AI had recorded it,

01:13:28.737 --> 01:13:30.538
<v Greg>we could have had it written down.

01:13:30.538 --> 01:13:35.100
<v Jeff>Here's what I, well, so the recording, the SD card was bad. So, like.

01:13:36.208 --> 01:13:42.652
<v Jeff>10% of every 10 seconds was lost.

01:13:42.652 --> 01:13:47.496
<v Jeff>No, and I'm not saying you should have posted that. But I had the transcription

01:13:47.496 --> 01:13:52.479
<v Jeff>of what it got, and then I was hoping I could find a free place to feed the

01:13:52.479 --> 01:13:55.321
<v Jeff>transcription back into text-to-speech. Oh, God.

01:13:56.863 --> 01:14:03.767
<v Jeff>And then have us, like, have text-to-speech us, that'd be fun, at least a laugh.

01:14:03.948 --> 01:14:06.790
<v Greg>It'd be novel. It would be novel.

01:14:06.790 --> 01:14:10.893
<v Shannon>We did that whole skit, too, in the end in the post-show. Oh, shit.

01:14:10.893 --> 01:14:11.734
<v Jeff>Yeah.

01:14:11.734 --> 01:14:15.156
<v Greg>Yeah, we did. We did the whole thing in the post-show about a,

01:14:15.156 --> 01:14:21.481
<v Greg>well, you asked AI to write a Crafty Radio episode. Oh, we can do it again.

01:14:21.822 --> 01:14:26.785
<v Greg>And we did it, but we kind of didn't do it right, because we just improvised off of it.

01:14:26.886 --> 01:14:30.168
<v Shannon>We did. And it was great. We can do it again.

01:14:30.168 --> 01:14:30.909
<v Jeff>I still have it.

01:14:30.909 --> 01:14:34.331
<v Greg>Yeah. That's the advantage of Discord, because I I think we're probably going

01:14:34.331 --> 01:14:36.213
<v Greg>to do it again, and we're probably going to do the same thing.

01:14:36.213 --> 01:14:41.077
<v Greg>But you'll be able to see the original transcript and what we riffed on,

01:14:41.077 --> 01:14:46.721
<v Greg>because I think Jeff wanted us, your original idea was just straight,

01:14:46.721 --> 01:14:50.965
<v Greg>which was just, you can read it if you want that.

01:14:50.965 --> 01:14:52.526
<v Greg>I mean, it's a little like, because

01:14:52.526 --> 01:14:58.831
<v Greg>I think that, I think we all felt like there's not enough of us here.

01:14:59.231 --> 01:15:04.095
<v Greg>We have to, like, using this as something we can put ourselves into is a lot

01:15:04.095 --> 01:15:06.917
<v Greg>more fun than just, uh, reading it straight.

01:15:06.917 --> 01:15:13.052
<v Jeff>I wasn't against it. It just, yeah, if I was doing it with just my input,

01:15:13.052 --> 01:15:15.824
<v Jeff>I would have done it straight, because it's just ridiculous on its own.

01:15:17.286 --> 01:15:19.507
<v Jeff>But it's fun, so we have to do it again.

01:15:19.507 --> 01:15:22.629
<v Greg>So check out A Part Show, and you'll be able to find the transcript on Discord,

01:15:22.629 --> 01:15:26.152
<v Greg>which I'm sure we'll say a bunch, but we do want to remind everybody, Discord, the Discord.

01:15:26.152 --> 01:15:30.415
<v Shannon>Discord, everybody.

01:15:30.415 --> 01:15:33.277
<v Greg>Yeah, that was another thing, is we had a month without people joining Discord,

01:15:33.277 --> 01:15:35.919
<v Greg>because that wasn't out there.

01:15:37.120 --> 01:15:41.483
<v Shannon>And we have the channels in there that you can send us recommendations.

01:15:42.785 --> 01:15:48.028
<v Shannon>If you want to hear a particular song for the intro, or you want anything.

01:15:48.209 --> 01:15:51.311
<v Jeff>Yeah, we did all this pitch last time. Yeah, give us intro songs.

01:15:51.311 --> 01:15:55.294
<v Jeff>Yeah. Give us things, I don't know, give us pitch projects. You want us to talk about.

01:15:55.294 --> 01:15:57.435
<v Greg>Topics that you'd want us to talk about.

01:15:58.797 --> 01:16:02.619
<v Jeff>Speaking of topics I want to talk about, we talked about Justified recently,

01:16:02.619 --> 01:16:04.220
<v Jeff>And there's this- It's a post-show.

01:16:04.220 --> 01:16:05.541
<v Shannon>Yeah, it's a post-show. Yeah, it's a post-show.

01:16:05.922 --> 01:16:07.683
<v Jeff>But I wanna shit on it so bad here in the main show.

01:16:07.683 --> 01:16:12.927
<v Greg>I know, but look, I waited till post-show to do my Puckard rant.

01:16:13.608 --> 01:16:17.653
<v Jeff>Okay, all right. Oh, justifying seeing Primeval in the post-show.

01:16:17.653 --> 01:16:18.436
<v Shannon>I think the post-show is gonna be long.

01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:27.332
<v Greg>Yeah, it always is. These days, post-shows are about, Probably longer than the main show.

01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:33.643
<v Jeff>All right. Just remember, you have a commitment in the morning.

01:16:37.006 --> 01:16:39.868
<v Greg>I'm still exhausted, so I'm not going to stay forever.

01:16:39.868 --> 01:16:41.370
<v Jeff>No karaoke tonight. No, no.

01:16:41.370 --> 01:16:43.851
<v Greg>All right.

01:16:43.851 --> 01:16:45.673
<v Jeff>So this last one is.

01:16:45.673 --> 01:16:51.637
<v Shannon>We're having another. We're drinking both. I thought we were choosing between the two.

01:16:51.637 --> 01:16:51.797
<v Jeff>No.

01:16:51.797 --> 01:16:54.039
<v Jeff>I need to drink. The only rule is there's no rules.

01:16:54.260 --> 01:16:56.021
<v Greg>The thing is, it's going to be very long, Pochette.

01:16:56.922 --> 01:16:57.142
<v Shannon>Crap.

01:16:57.142 --> 01:17:01.525
<v Shannon>You have to chug it, you're going to dip out of here and go to sleep and not

01:17:01.525 --> 01:17:03.305
<v Shannon>even say goodbye to the listeners.

01:17:03.305 --> 01:17:04.847
<v Jeff>No.

01:17:04.847 --> 01:17:05.968
<v Shannon>I did that once.

01:17:05.968 --> 01:17:08.950
<v Jeff>Twice. Did I? Yeah, you did it the last time.

01:17:08.991 --> 01:17:09.711
<v Shannon>No, I didn't.

01:17:09.912 --> 01:17:11.312
<v Jeff>Yeah, you've done it twice.

01:17:11.813 --> 01:17:12.713
<v Shannon>I've done it twice.

01:17:12.713 --> 01:17:14.575
<v Jeff>I don't know which times, but you've done it twice.

01:17:14.575 --> 01:17:16.196
<v Shannon>I'm positive I've only done it once.

01:17:16.196 --> 01:17:17.797
<v Greg>Nope.

01:17:17.797 --> 01:17:20.699
<v Jeff>I don't know, I feel like you bailed last time at the end.

01:17:20.699 --> 01:17:26.714
<v Shannon>Last time was episode 509, take one, and I was here. The whole time?

01:17:26.714 --> 01:17:30.646
<v Jeff>The whole time. No, it was 508, I think, and then a couple before that, maybe.

01:17:32.148 --> 01:17:34.349
<v Shannon>You guys are just throwing me under the bus, thanks.

01:17:34.930 --> 01:17:36.951
<v Greg>Hey, that's the show. Deal with it.

01:17:37.372 --> 01:17:40.413
<v Jeff>It's fine. You want to be an equal part of the show, you got to take the shit too.

01:17:40.413 --> 01:17:43.556
<v Shannon>I didn't ask for equal partnership in the show.

01:17:44.537 --> 01:17:45.937
<v Greg>Well, you got it anyway.

01:17:48.610 --> 01:17:50.741
<v Greg>So this is Foulmouth Grand Cru, right? Yes.

01:17:50.741 --> 01:17:51.902
<v Shannon>This looks like...

01:17:53.564 --> 01:17:54.604
<v Jeff>Pilgrim Quad, kind of thing.

01:17:54.604 --> 01:17:55.525
<v Shannon>But color is...

01:17:57.969 --> 01:18:01.652
<v Jeff>Think of like a Belgian strong ale, Belgian Courland.

01:18:01.652 --> 01:18:04.294
<v Shannon>No, I'm just trying to analyze the color.

01:18:05.295 --> 01:18:09.959
<v Jeff>So we hit up Foul Mouth when we were in Portland. I think it was the first day we were there.

01:18:09.959 --> 01:18:10.899
<v Shannon>It was the first day.

01:18:12.121 --> 01:18:17.885
<v Jeff>And they had some decent stuff. I don't think there was anything to totally write home about.

01:18:18.366 --> 01:18:22.829
<v Jeff>But they had a bottle of beer to go called Grand Cru. So I figured, yeah, okay.

01:18:25.351 --> 01:18:29.133
<v Greg>So this is, at least on untapped, it's classed as an out-brewed.

01:18:30.235 --> 01:18:32.896
<v Jeff>Ooh, it does smell a little funky, a little wild.

01:18:32.896 --> 01:18:34.377
<v Shannon>Funky is for sure.

01:18:34.377 --> 01:18:36.379
<v Greg>11.3%. Grand Cru. Grand Cru.

01:18:39.401 --> 01:18:40.081
<v Shannon>Grand Cru.

01:18:40.081 --> 01:18:44.124
<v Greg>So it's been a while since I had an out-brewed, for sure.

01:18:44.124 --> 01:18:45.645
<v Shannon>A special place in your heart, though.

01:18:46.646 --> 01:18:52.430
<v Greg>Yes, I think that was one of my first like, whoa, this is what beer can be type

01:18:52.430 --> 01:18:53.951
<v Greg>beers. What was that? Which one was that?

01:18:55.993 --> 01:18:58.314
<v Jeff>Boy, I can almost picture the label, but I can't.

01:18:58.314 --> 01:19:01.556
<v Greg>Yeah, I can't remember the name of it, but it was like, wow,

01:19:01.556 --> 01:19:04.438
<v Greg>this is a special type of beer.

01:19:04.438 --> 01:19:07.039
<v Jeff>It's less sweet tarts than a Flanders.

01:19:09.401 --> 01:19:13.463
<v Shannon>Although it is a Flanders style, it's a Flanders Brown, then a Flanders Red.

01:19:13.463 --> 01:19:21.388
<v Jeff>But there's totally, Cosmic Motherfunk Grand Cru totally feels half to two-thirds old brew.

01:19:24.330 --> 01:19:28.691
<v Greg>Was it Petrus? Was it the Petrus Urb? Yeah, probably. I have no idea what you're all talking about.

01:19:29.552 --> 01:19:33.733
<v Greg>We're talking about a beer that way back in the day was like still,

01:19:33.733 --> 01:19:43.257
<v Greg>was this sort of sourness that no, like even as drifters in the craft beer world,

01:19:43.257 --> 01:19:45.417
<v Greg>we hadn't experienced yet. Or not.

01:19:49.250 --> 01:19:50.992
<v Greg>I don't recognize that. So I don't know.

01:19:50.992 --> 01:19:51.903
<v Shannon>Legitness.

01:19:51.903 --> 01:19:52.813
<v Jeff>Legitness.

01:19:52.813 --> 01:19:54.955
<v Greg>Legitness. Yeah. Do you know what that's from?

01:19:54.955 --> 01:19:57.157
<v Jeff>Not really.

01:19:57.157 --> 01:19:57.397
<v Shannon>Okay.

01:19:57.397 --> 01:20:00.879
<v Greg>That sounds good. So yeah, I've never heard that one before.

01:20:03.762 --> 01:20:07.104
<v Greg>Okay. But okay, so what are we talking about? We're talking about basically,

01:20:07.104 --> 01:20:12.468
<v Greg>so if you've ever experienced a Flanders Red, which one was the Flanders Red that we had?

01:20:13.109 --> 01:20:16.191
<v Greg>The one that was the... I mean, there's Rodenbach.

01:20:16.192 --> 01:20:17.152
<v Jeff>Rodenbach is the main one.

01:20:17.152 --> 01:20:17.472
<v Greg>Rodenbach, yeah.

01:20:17.773 --> 01:20:21.115
<v Jeff>I mean, some of the fooder-aged beers that you've had, right,

01:20:21.115 --> 01:20:23.617
<v Jeff>where they're kind of sweet tarts, you know, like that's Flanders Red.

01:20:24.318 --> 01:20:30.383
<v Jeff>Flanders, an old brun is fooder-aged as well, usually, but it doesn't have that

01:20:30.383 --> 01:20:36.247
<v Jeff>sweet tarts as much as it, but it's more of that culture, of that kind of lactic, pedio, funky thing.

01:20:36.247 --> 01:20:39.930
<v Greg>I mean, this is a lot less, like, lactic dominant, right?

01:20:40.671 --> 01:20:47.174
<v Greg>There's, that's the thing about the Flanders style, is that it's more of crazy,

01:20:47.174 --> 01:20:51.837
<v Greg>crazy bacteria stuff as opposed to just like pure lactic,

01:20:51.837 --> 01:20:59.781
<v Greg>which is like, for example, the the goes out or, you know, simple sours or stuff

01:20:59.781 --> 01:21:02.183
<v Greg>tend to be, you know, in just just pure lactic.

01:21:08.346 --> 01:21:10.047
<v Jeff>Um, it has a pear flavor.

01:21:11.748 --> 01:21:12.989
<v Greg>Like, it's really good.

01:21:12.989 --> 01:21:16.130
<v Jeff>It's tart, but it's kind of like a underripe pear.

01:21:16.130 --> 01:21:19.813
<v Shannon>Pear? Pear.

01:21:19.813 --> 01:21:23.055
<v Jeff>Like, well, those yellow pears, but like, they're not like super sweet,

01:21:23.055 --> 01:21:26.167
<v Jeff>like when it's still a little bit tart and kind of firm in the flesh.

01:21:30.701 --> 01:21:31.721
<v Greg>Shannon's making faces.

01:21:31.721 --> 01:21:33.142
<v Jeff>I'm trying to get... Too acidic?

01:21:34.984 --> 01:21:37.485
<v Shannon>Well, I guess I've never eaten an underripe pear.

01:21:39.487 --> 01:21:43.269
<v Greg>See, to me, weirdly, I'm not getting the huge acidic under here,

01:21:43.269 --> 01:21:44.230
<v Greg>I'm getting a lot of maple.

01:21:45.390 --> 01:21:53.296
<v Greg>Yeah, um Maple dark maple Sour apple.

01:21:53.296 --> 01:21:54.597
<v Shannon>Mm-hmm has to be sour.

01:21:55.278 --> 01:22:00.221
<v Greg>Yeah, like but for some reason my brain is Going around this hour.

01:22:00.221 --> 01:22:05.245
<v Greg>I don't know why because it's definitely there and it's strong Like why why

01:22:05.245 --> 01:22:09.868
<v Greg>is my brain just like oh, yeah the sour maybe it's just I'm used to the to the

01:22:09.868 --> 01:22:12.770
<v Greg>style that I'm just okay to be dialed in.

01:22:13.190 --> 01:22:16.553
<v Greg>I don't know why I'm not noticing the sour because it's strong and it's absolutely

01:22:16.553 --> 01:22:20.616
<v Greg>there. But for some reason, I feel like my brain is just sort of jumping around it.

01:22:20.616 --> 01:22:25.920
<v Jeff>Yeah, that's strange because it's a big part of the flavor. It kind of eats

01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:28.062
<v Jeff>away any kind of body that the beer has.

01:22:28.403 --> 01:22:32.505
<v Jeff>Like the maltiness is like kind of pushed out of the way because of this pear

01:22:32.505 --> 01:22:34.707
<v Jeff>juice, this like tart pear juice flavor.

01:22:35.598 --> 01:22:40.810
<v Greg>But all I'm focusing on is the end and the- I can't get to Maple.

01:22:40.810 --> 01:22:42.010
<v Jeff>I can't get there.

01:22:45.280 --> 01:22:48.703
<v Shannon>I don't like the end.

01:22:50.885 --> 01:22:52.966
<v Shannon>I don't like what I'm tasting on the end.

01:22:52.966 --> 01:22:53.427
<v Greg>What are you tasting?

01:22:55.578 --> 01:22:59.711
<v Greg>I even get notes of celery at the end there. Do you get that?

01:22:59.711 --> 01:23:00.272
<v Jeff>Celery seed?

01:23:00.272 --> 01:23:03.334
<v Shannon>Celery. Celery seed? Yeah, celery seed is good.

01:23:03.334 --> 01:23:04.275
<v Greg>That's good.

01:23:05.316 --> 01:23:06.746
<v Shannon>I was going to say tannins, but...

01:23:09.559 --> 01:23:11.980
<v Greg>Yeah, like, yeah, there's definitely that.

01:23:12.140 --> 01:23:13.881
<v Shannon>Or just that metallic...

01:23:15.983 --> 01:23:20.406
<v Jeff>There's a big woodiness, too. Like, there's oak is a thing in this.

01:23:21.827 --> 01:23:24.048
<v Greg>Yeah, why is my brain skipping past those?

01:23:24.209 --> 01:23:29.912
<v Jeff>As we talk about this, like, it's going to help us, like, either lead each other

01:23:29.912 --> 01:23:33.054
<v Jeff>astray and be just stupid about it, or help us dial us in.

01:23:33.455 --> 01:23:38.578
<v Jeff>So, like, I think if you take a sip and think about how it's like a stringent

01:23:38.578 --> 01:23:42.701
<v Jeff>oak, that it might take away from some of the acidity. Like,

01:23:42.701 --> 01:23:44.022
<v Jeff>that's where I'm at right now. Okay.

01:23:52.189 --> 01:23:54.310
<v Jeff>This is the foul-mouthed brand crew.

01:23:54.310 --> 01:23:58.273
<v Greg>It's weird if you could approach it different ways and your brain will notice

01:23:58.273 --> 01:24:03.057
<v Greg>different things. Yeah. That's pretty rare.

01:24:03.057 --> 01:24:06.880
<v Jeff>Well, that's kind of like the placebo effect. But that's the thing with blind

01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:08.661
<v Jeff>tasting, right? With blind tasting.

01:24:08.661 --> 01:24:13.405
<v Greg>Yeah, no, it's absolutely true. I guess it's rare in that the beer will make you want to do that.

01:24:14.566 --> 01:24:17.437
<v Greg>But in terms of being able to do that with anything, it's just probably not

01:24:17.437 --> 01:24:21.250
<v Greg>rare at all. Just to think of something, devote your thoughts to it,

01:24:21.250 --> 01:24:23.872
<v Greg>and that's what you're going to notice, that's not rare at all.

01:24:24.773 --> 01:24:29.296
<v Jeff>But if I'm thinking, okay, ocean spray, sea salt, and take a sip,

01:24:29.296 --> 01:24:31.898
<v Jeff>right, I'm probably going to get more brininess, you know, so.

01:24:31.898 --> 01:24:39.363
<v Greg>Sure. That's a good point. Um, and maybe why my brain was skipping past.

01:24:39.363 --> 01:24:39.784
<v Jeff>Do that.

01:24:39.784 --> 01:24:40.164
<v Greg>Do that.

01:24:40.585 --> 01:24:43.807
<v Jeff>Think about like ocean spray, sea salt.

01:24:43.807 --> 01:24:45.208
<v Shannon>That's what I'm doing right now.

01:24:45.208 --> 01:24:47.209
<v Jeff>And it definitely tastes more briny.

01:24:47.310 --> 01:24:50.892
<v Shannon>I taste the sea salt, the brininess, yes.

01:24:52.734 --> 01:24:55.356
<v Jeff>Yeah, I can taste, oh, okay. And it makes it seem less acidic.

01:24:55.356 --> 01:24:56.297
<v Shannon>Less tart. Yeah.

01:24:56.297 --> 01:25:00.420
<v Jeff>Wow. It's all in your head, man.

01:25:00.420 --> 01:25:01.821
<v Shannon>Yeah.

01:25:01.821 --> 01:25:03.382
<v Greg>Do we define our own reality?

01:25:03.382 --> 01:25:03.983
<v Shannon>It's a mind.

01:25:03.983 --> 01:25:07.745
<v Jeff>Yeah.

01:25:07.745 --> 01:25:10.547
<v Shannon>Right. Not allowed to say that word.

01:25:16.732 --> 01:25:17.652
<v Jeff>What is that?

01:25:24.637 --> 01:25:29.781
<v Greg>The only thing I can think of that maybe is somewhat comparable to that is the kid who's It was like,

01:25:29.781 --> 01:25:34.646
<v Greg>do you ever, do you ever, do you know, do you have a, you know what kid I'm

01:25:34.646 --> 01:25:38.570
<v Greg>talking about, where it's just him trying to say, I even forget what he was

01:25:38.570 --> 01:25:42.094
<v Greg>trying to say, but it's something about a dream, I think.

01:25:43.717 --> 01:25:44.917
<v Jeff>Yeah, I remember that.

01:25:51.064 --> 01:25:54.706
<v Shannon>That's a classic which of course you don't recognize but I think you did you

01:25:54.706 --> 01:25:59.389
<v Shannon>understand we missed it did you see they just had a Showing at bottle rocket.

01:25:59.389 --> 01:26:10.417
<v Shannon>I don't know of the 20th anniversary of the room I I wouldn't end up and mock was there who mock?

01:26:11.679 --> 01:26:20.325
<v Jeff>Or mark mark mark mark mark mark Is Massachusetts now no So yeah,

01:26:20.325 --> 01:26:23.327
<v Jeff>it's a difficult thing to explain, or even why you'd want to care,

01:26:23.327 --> 01:26:24.928
<v Jeff>unless you've seen it already.

01:26:25.889 --> 01:26:29.611
<v Greg>And I think you should only see like, you should really just watch like a Riff

01:26:29.611 --> 01:26:34.835
<v Greg>Trax version of it, because then you'll get as much as you need,

01:26:34.835 --> 01:26:36.096
<v Greg>and at least it will be entertaining.

01:26:36.096 --> 01:26:38.598
<v Jeff>Watching it in a room full of people, that'd probably be a lot of fun.

01:26:42.001 --> 01:26:45.082
<v Greg>Sure, but like Rocky Horror Picture Show, you have to know what you're getting

01:26:45.082 --> 01:26:50.916
<v Greg>into, and know what the things are. It's not doing it on your own for the first

01:26:50.916 --> 01:26:53.468
<v Greg>time. It's just that's not going to be that interesting.

01:26:54.449 --> 01:26:57.311
<v Greg>But it's just going to feel like everyone's in on a joke and you're not.

01:26:59.432 --> 01:27:00.553
<v Greg>Which is the case.

01:27:00.553 --> 01:27:03.375
<v Shannon>Mm-Hmm.

01:27:03.375 --> 01:27:07.218
<v Greg>So, yeah, I would not recommend. Yeah. Good candy, right?

01:27:12.461 --> 01:27:21.626
<v Greg>I got some I got some candy. These were, I think, what, some kind of, some tropical flavor.

01:27:21.626 --> 01:27:22.726
<v Jeff>They look like they're Canadian.

01:27:23.127 --> 01:27:23.647
<v Greg>They're not.

01:27:23.647 --> 01:27:26.568
<v Jeff>They have a red maple leaf right there. Oh, right.

01:27:27.209 --> 01:27:30.370
<v Greg>Yes, that's right. A red maple leaf.

01:27:34.232 --> 01:27:40.315
<v Greg>Somehow, I managed to find them in Pittsburgh, and we're having them,

01:27:42.486 --> 01:27:43.576
<v Greg>and they're tasty.

01:27:45.740 --> 01:27:49.603
<v Shannon>Kind of tart a little tart just like the beer we're a little tired.

01:27:49.603 --> 01:27:58.029
<v Shannon>Yeah, I think the right kind of very right I mean, that's why I decided to mm-hmm Okay,

01:27:58.029 --> 01:28:02.853
<v Shannon>so I guess we got a ramp now, I think we have I think we're at the we're at

01:28:02.853 --> 01:28:05.835
<v Shannon>that edge All right, who was the first Rochambeau?

01:28:06.656 --> 01:28:12.930
<v Shannon>Well, let's let's put these in some order Alright, so twin Barnes was first Okay.

01:28:14.422 --> 01:28:15.602
<v Shannon>Hill Farmstead was second.

01:28:15.602 --> 01:28:16.644
<v Greg>Okay.

01:28:16.644 --> 01:28:18.245
<v Jeff>Are you talking the drinking order?

01:28:18.245 --> 01:28:20.446
<v Greg>No, the order that we drank them.

01:28:20.446 --> 01:28:20.747
<v Shannon>Then was what?

01:28:20.747 --> 01:28:22.328
<v Greg>First and last things, right? Fiddlehead.

01:28:22.328 --> 01:28:22.768
<v Shannon>Fiddlehead. Then...

01:28:22.768 --> 01:28:24.770
<v Greg>Nope. Oh, fiddle? Yeah, no, fiddlehead.

01:28:27.333 --> 01:28:28.693
<v Greg>I got fiddlehead next.

01:28:29.694 --> 01:28:30.834
<v Shannon>Hill Farmstead was second.

01:28:31.595 --> 01:28:33.516
<v Greg>Oh, oh, wow. Okay. Wow, I messed that up.

01:28:33.516 --> 01:28:34.337
<v Jeff>Okay.

01:28:34.337 --> 01:28:39.462
<v Shannon>Okay. And then Alligash Dazen. Right. And then we had the Alchemist Crush.

01:28:39.462 --> 01:28:41.923
<v Shannon>crush. And then we have phone breweries.

01:28:44.506 --> 01:28:48.649
<v Greg>Yes, I think Jeff got it. Okay, so I'm gonna take a picture so that we can have this.

01:28:48.649 --> 01:28:49.469
<v Jeff>She has notes.

01:28:49.469 --> 01:28:53.452
<v Greg>I mean, no, no, it's absolutely wonderful that you have notes because yeah,

01:28:53.452 --> 01:28:58.456
<v Greg>but the picture is for discord and get on that discord.

01:28:58.797 --> 01:29:00.668
<v Greg>Give me a give me a smile.

01:29:00.668 --> 01:29:04.641
<v Jeff>Give me a D for discord. Is that backwards? That's backwards.

01:29:07.983 --> 01:29:10.905
<v Greg>That's fine. No, it's only this part.

01:29:10.905 --> 01:29:11.105
<v Jeff>Yeah.

01:29:12.086 --> 01:29:16.910
<v Greg>And do it even lower. So just you're barely in it, Jeff. Okay.

01:29:16.910 --> 01:29:22.112
<v Greg>And now Shannon's in it. Okay. Wait, let me, let me go back a little bit. Okay, cool. Got it.

01:29:22.853 --> 01:29:25.114
<v Greg>All right. All right.

01:29:25.114 --> 01:29:26.302
<v Shannon>All right.

01:29:26.302 --> 01:29:32.779
<v Greg>Rochambeau. Does he go first? Oh, fucking hell.

01:29:32.779 --> 01:29:37.603
<v Jeff>Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, one, two, three. Again, one, two, three, shoot.

01:29:37.603 --> 01:29:37.983
<v Greg>Okay.

01:29:38.363 --> 01:29:40.204
<v Shannon>One, two, three, shoot.

01:29:40.204 --> 01:29:43.386
<v Greg>Shannon wins. Shannon wins. Oh, shoot.

01:29:43.386 --> 01:29:43.686
<v Jeff>Both.

01:29:45.886 --> 01:29:50.589
<v Shannon>Wasn't ready to go first Well, you know you won the red one,

01:29:50.589 --> 01:29:52.290
<v Shannon>which means I get to choose.

01:29:53.251 --> 01:29:58.255
<v Jeff>Okay, where I want to go Okay, you get to you to choose you You pass the order.

01:29:58.255 --> 01:30:05.020
<v Greg>Okay, you pick who goes first. Yes, you tell us who go first. All right Greg go for it,

01:30:11.887 --> 01:30:22.172
<v Greg>Okey-dokey All right hmm In last place of first and last things That was as

01:30:22.172 --> 01:30:28.436
<v Greg>I remember it just I Didn't I didn't like it.

01:30:28.436 --> 01:30:37.282
<v Greg>I Think it was too much it overdid what it was trying to do and and There were

01:30:37.282 --> 01:30:43.546
<v Greg>other things that were overdoing it a bit but not as much as that one So in

01:30:43.546 --> 01:30:46.168
<v Greg>second place in next to last place I'm gonna go fiddlehead.

01:30:53.375 --> 01:30:59.298
<v Greg>All right I think a somewhat modernized Heady topper but still a little just

01:30:59.298 --> 01:31:03.620
<v Greg>kind of Not what you want out of the full thing.

01:31:05.662 --> 01:31:08.964
<v Greg>I'm trying to remember Build to Spill to see where it goes.

01:31:11.146 --> 01:31:13.868
<v Shannon>That was the one, the lemon oil one.

01:31:15.009 --> 01:31:16.130
<v Greg>So Crusher would be next.

01:31:20.213 --> 01:31:25.035
<v Greg>Crusher is a modernized heavy topper with a bit of a dank overtone.

01:31:33.282 --> 01:31:38.405
<v Greg>And I appreciated the approach, but I also think, you know, take it down a notch

01:31:38.405 --> 01:31:40.445
<v Greg>and you'll probably be better. Okay.

01:31:43.868 --> 01:31:48.311
<v Greg>All right, I'm gonna put Foulmouth next. This is the ground crew.

01:31:48.311 --> 01:31:50.672
<v Greg>This is the Alden Bruin that we are having right now.

01:31:52.914 --> 01:31:58.608
<v Greg>I think that the ability that we have to just change it based on what we're

01:31:58.608 --> 01:32:04.422
<v Greg>thinking about is very interesting, and that it supports all that is cool.

01:32:06.394 --> 01:32:09.425
<v Greg>But in terms of enjoyableness, which is what I'm sort of going by,

01:32:09.425 --> 01:32:14.729
<v Greg>probably it's kind of middle of the pack here with,

01:32:14.729 --> 01:32:19.813
<v Greg>I think, I think I'm going to go the Allagash next,

01:32:19.813 --> 01:32:30.701
<v Greg>um, because also I liked what it was trying to do, but didn't complete the circle.

01:32:31.902 --> 01:32:39.267
<v Greg>It didn't, it, it, I love a great cocktail beer and this was sort of like half

01:32:39.267 --> 01:32:44.111
<v Greg>of one and I would have liked it to just go all the way, to take that really

01:32:44.111 --> 01:32:46.453
<v Greg>big swing. And it sort of just took half a swing.

01:32:47.414 --> 01:32:51.137
<v Greg>So, you know, it got a nice double out of it, but you could have hit,

01:32:54.330 --> 01:32:57.322
<v Greg>a triple, or even have a ground one, who knows.

01:32:58.103 --> 01:33:02.446
<v Greg>Belt to spill comes in next. I think this was the.

01:33:07.586 --> 01:33:13.470
<v Greg>I might even throw this down some. I'm not sure. I don't remember it that well.

01:33:13.470 --> 01:33:14.791
<v Jeff>That was like the lemon candy one.

01:33:14.791 --> 01:33:17.473
<v Greg>Yeah, I seem to remember I liked it, but it feels too high.

01:33:17.473 --> 01:33:19.205
<v Jeff>Okay.

01:33:19.205 --> 01:33:24.278
<v Greg>Um. Maybe, maybe I'll put it after the Grand Cru and before the...

01:33:24.278 --> 01:33:26.860
<v Jeff>I mean, you did like it when you were drinking it.

01:33:26.860 --> 01:33:27.921
<v Greg>I did, but...

01:33:29.402 --> 01:33:32.404
<v Jeff>You were more excitable about the Built to Spill than the Days End.

01:33:32.404 --> 01:33:39.160
<v Greg>Okay, then that's probably true. All right. I'll go with your recollection,

01:33:39.160 --> 01:33:40.811
<v Greg>because I can't quite remember it.

01:33:41.492 --> 01:33:47.156
<v Greg>Holy Donut comes in next. Yeah, really close to a perfect Creole Stout,

01:33:47.156 --> 01:33:49.878
<v Greg>but a little kind of sweet on the front.

01:33:52.420 --> 01:33:56.523
<v Greg>And but captures a lot of what you'd like. And believe it or not,

01:33:56.523 --> 01:34:00.446
<v Greg>I mean, this Twin Barns, this was a wonderful way to start off. Yeah.

01:34:00.446 --> 01:34:02.768
<v Jeff>And it's like this brewery that we didn't know about.

01:34:02.768 --> 01:34:08.331
<v Greg>And I felt like this is an all-timer in terms of, yeah, I would just buy packs of this, absolutely.

01:34:09.713 --> 01:34:14.316
<v Greg>This would be a go-to, and you don't find a go-to very often.

01:34:15.137 --> 01:34:17.598
<v Jeff>So that's why this is number one. Snap a picture of your lineup,

01:34:17.598 --> 01:34:19.560
<v Jeff>so it'll just make it easier posting the notes.

01:34:20.841 --> 01:34:26.344
<v Greg>Sure, all right. It's funny that of first and last things is the last, i.e..

01:34:26.344 --> 01:34:32.409
<v Jeff>First. We do the rankings, right? and the beerists, they kind of just put them

01:34:32.409 --> 01:34:36.552
<v Jeff>into buckets. They do like worth it, kind of worth it, not worth it kind of

01:34:36.552 --> 01:34:41.095
<v Jeff>things. They have better names. I can't think for me. But we should do like Merry Fuck Kill.

01:34:44.778 --> 01:34:53.523
<v Greg>It's not enough to do it right. But okay, so, okay, so Merry Fuck Kill of these.

01:34:53.523 --> 01:34:56.305
<v Greg>fuck kill of these. All right. No, no, no, no. I get it. I get it. Um, Hmm.

01:35:00.970 --> 01:35:03.873
<v Greg>This is kind of weighted, I think.

01:35:03.873 --> 01:35:04.434
<v Jeff>Okay.

01:35:05.576 --> 01:35:07.296
<v Greg>But I'm going to say...

01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:16.792
<v Greg>I'm gonna be a little, a little different than you might expect.

01:35:21.076 --> 01:35:27.081
<v Greg>But I'm gonna say, marry Lake Charles. That's the one I want to be with.

01:35:28.122 --> 01:35:30.383
<v Greg>Fuck Holy Donut, because damn.

01:35:31.724 --> 01:35:33.686
<v Greg>I want to I want to try that out.

01:35:33.686 --> 01:35:34.827
<v Jeff>It's moist, man.

01:35:36.068 --> 01:35:40.091
<v Greg>Look at that body. Look at that. Look at that. And and kill.

01:35:42.653 --> 01:35:47.356
<v Greg>Kill Fiddlehead, no, no, stop it, stop it.

01:35:47.356 --> 01:35:51.539
<v Shannon>All right, do you wanna go next or you want me to go? Nope, I want you to go next.

01:35:51.539 --> 01:35:54.401
<v Jeff>All right, so I'll do the traditional ranking then I'll do my MFKs.

01:35:54.401 --> 01:35:59.185
<v Jeff>Greg, you're pretty dialed in here.

01:36:02.648 --> 01:36:08.852
<v Jeff>It bugs me that the lens of the show causes me to not enjoy beers that I just

01:36:08.852 --> 01:36:11.154
<v Jeff>enjoy. Like, that is so weird.

01:36:13.055 --> 01:36:18.139
<v Jeff>Every beer on this table is a delicious beer. But tonight, with the lens,

01:36:18.139 --> 01:36:19.950
<v Jeff>they weren't all delicious.

01:36:21.422 --> 01:36:25.444
<v Jeff>I am going to have to put first and last things in last place.

01:36:28.447 --> 01:36:35.532
<v Jeff>It just wasn't bright enough. It was delicious. All right, hold on a minute.

01:36:35.532 --> 01:36:45.219
<v Jeff>It was a, I enjoyed it for being a dry Southern Hemisphere styled hazy IPA,

01:36:45.219 --> 01:36:48.561
<v Jeff>but it didn't bring it like the rest of the beers did.

01:36:53.125 --> 01:36:56.947
<v Jeff>Fiddlehead, where I thought, oh, this is deliciously dank just two days ago.

01:36:57.367 --> 01:36:58.847
<v Jeff>Today it was meh, dank, weird.

01:36:58.847 --> 01:37:00.347
<v Greg>So second to last place.

01:37:10.003 --> 01:37:13.106
<v Shannon>You need to place them in order so you can take them to pitchers.

01:37:13.106 --> 01:37:18.410
<v Jeff>They're still in the order. I think I'm going to keep going Greg's train.

01:37:18.410 --> 01:37:21.332
<v Jeff>I'm going to put the Crusher in third from last place.

01:37:22.234 --> 01:37:25.736
<v Jeff>No, they're getting to a place where every beer beyond this was...

01:37:25.736 --> 01:37:29.879
<v Jeff>Actually, you know what? I'm going to change it. I'm going to put the Grand

01:37:29.879 --> 01:37:34.102
<v Jeff>Cru in third place. I can see that. Because there was...

01:37:34.102 --> 01:37:34.923
<v Greg>Entirely reasonable.

01:37:35.423 --> 01:37:41.148
<v Jeff>It was that that pear acidity and everything. It was less yummy than the Crusher.

01:37:41.148 --> 01:37:43.009
<v Jeff>The Crusher still had good yummy to it.

01:37:45.291 --> 01:37:49.653
<v Jeff>So the foul-mouthed Grand Cru was a little over-sour.

01:37:50.815 --> 01:37:56.018
<v Jeff>I did enjoy the pear flavor, but it was like under-ripe green pears. Like, I don't know.

01:37:59.942 --> 01:38:03.233
<v Jeff>Ones that grew in my neighbor's yard back in my old place.

01:38:05.266 --> 01:38:08.787
<v Jeff>Well, I'm not sure about this yet, so I'll grab the phone in a minute.

01:38:09.749 --> 01:38:11.990
<v Jeff>Crusher had a great juiciness to it.

01:38:13.632 --> 01:38:19.315
<v Jeff>I enjoyed what it was giving. I didn't classify it as dank as Greg did.

01:38:20.137 --> 01:38:24.980
<v Jeff>I also, I think I see it a little bit different than Hedy, than a modernized

01:38:24.980 --> 01:38:29.283
<v Jeff>Hedy, but it's small little things. I'm just mentioning here to fill some air.

01:38:30.544 --> 01:38:32.555
<v Greg>Because we need filling, right? Because this isn't long enough.

01:38:33.006 --> 01:38:35.317
<v Jeff>I am going to put the Bilt-A-Spill next.

01:38:37.609 --> 01:38:41.652
<v Jeff>That one was different. It was thin body. It had a light broth to it.

01:38:41.652 --> 01:38:44.454
<v Jeff>Had that lemon drop type flavor to it.

01:38:46.575 --> 01:38:51.358
<v Jeff>It was in a show where we were doing all double IPAs and IPAs.

01:38:51.739 --> 01:38:54.920
<v Jeff>That one stood out in being fool, and whatnot.

01:39:04.935 --> 01:39:10.959
<v Jeff>I'm going to put the Holy Donut next. The Holy Donut, there's lots of things

01:39:10.959 --> 01:39:12.060
<v Jeff>I really liked about that.

01:39:12.060 --> 01:39:14.882
<v Jeff>I liked the barrel, I liked the boozyness, I liked the coconut,

01:39:14.882 --> 01:39:19.385
<v Jeff>I liked the sweetness, and there was a little metallic note in there.

01:39:19.385 --> 01:39:22.527
<v Jeff>It kept it from being like a 9.9 on my scale, right?

01:39:22.928 --> 01:39:27.811
<v Jeff>There was just this one little thing. A little bit drier, a little bit more

01:39:27.811 --> 01:39:37.438
<v Jeff>boozy, and damn. Damn. Damn. Day's end, Shannon's right.

01:39:38.299 --> 01:39:40.521
<v Jeff>Thank you, Shannon, for making me buy a four pack of that.

01:39:42.263 --> 01:39:46.045
<v Jeff>It really hit the spot as our palate cleanser tonight. It really hit the spot

01:39:46.045 --> 01:39:49.708
<v Jeff>just feeling like drinking a boulevardier, like a, you know, a...

01:39:49.708 --> 01:39:58.475
<v Jeff>It's Brittany, bitch. Really like the... That's my Shannon tribute.

01:39:58.475 --> 01:39:59.055
<v Greg>Yeah, that's...

01:39:59.476 --> 01:40:05.520
<v Jeff>And then, yeah, I think I'm gonna have to grease Greg and put the Lake Cruiser in the top spot.

01:40:06.861 --> 01:40:10.223
<v Jeff>It was just grapefruit juice and yummy grapefruit juice.

01:40:12.464 --> 01:40:17.768
<v Jeff>Presumably not added grapefruit juice. Didn't taste like it. Super good.

01:40:19.049 --> 01:40:25.683
<v Jeff>Marry, fuck, kill. I'm gonna marry the Allagash.

01:40:27.235 --> 01:40:36.122
<v Shannon>I am going to fuck the crusher and I am going to you have to do it now kill the grand crew,

01:40:43.188 --> 01:40:48.532
<v Shannon>Mary consummate it's about that which one do you want to fuck Shit.

01:40:48.532 --> 01:40:48.852
<v Greg>Guys.

01:40:54.257 --> 01:40:59.200
<v Greg>Like, I was lately, I guess in, in, in, in, in marriage, maybe it's,

01:40:59.200 --> 01:41:00.801
<v Greg>it's on your list, right?

01:41:01.963 --> 01:41:05.085
<v Greg>Which one of these is like, you're not going to leave your husband for that,

01:41:05.085 --> 01:41:07.947
<v Greg>but they're on your, your what was, what's the list name?

01:41:07.947 --> 01:41:11.570
<v Jeff>The, the, the, the hall pass. The hall pass.

01:41:11.570 --> 01:41:12.611
<v Greg>Yeah.

01:41:12.611 --> 01:41:16.915
<v Shannon>Yeah. I have my hall pass. All right.

01:41:16.915 --> 01:41:18.495
<v Jeff>I don't have any hall passes.

01:41:18.495 --> 01:41:30.444
<v Shannon>I don't have any hall passes. Bullshit. You're lying to the audience.

01:41:30.444 --> 01:41:36.008
<v Jeff>Let me just, can I just take a moment to reconnoiter and get this,

01:41:36.008 --> 01:41:40.551
<v Jeff>play some music or something.

01:41:40.782 --> 01:41:42.673
<v Shannon>How could this happen to me?

01:41:44.435 --> 01:41:48.638
<v Greg>I've made my mistakes, got nowhere to run. Like.

01:42:09.855 --> 01:42:15.338
<v Shannon>I'm trying to find the perfect pressure that I could have wanted under pressure,

01:42:15.338 --> 01:42:16.539
<v Shannon>under pressure, under pressure.

01:42:19.242 --> 01:42:24.866
<v Greg>Wow, that was Beautiful. Yeah, there you go. Okay, wait, wait,

01:42:24.866 --> 01:42:26.047
<v Greg>wait. At least like a clip.

01:42:26.587 --> 01:42:27.807
<v Shannon>Okay, here we go.

01:42:31.531 --> 01:42:38.276
<v Shannon>Wait. Oh, shit. You guys are killing me, man. Killing me. Killing me. Wait, wait. Oh.

01:42:38.776 --> 01:42:40.437
<v Greg>This is exactly 30 seconds long.

01:42:41.338 --> 01:42:48.063
<v Shannon>Oh, is this? Yeah, okay. That, that goes there. And then that goes there.

01:42:48.063 --> 01:42:48.944
<v Shannon>At least she's stressing over it.

01:42:49.265 --> 01:42:50.185
<v Jeff>Yes, exactly.

01:42:50.185 --> 01:42:56.470
<v Shannon>I have my list and I've been rating them as I go, but I'm trying to, shit. What's this one?

01:42:56.470 --> 01:42:59.072
<v Jeff>Shannon, have you ever seen the show Whose Line Is It Anyway?

01:42:59.072 --> 01:43:02.054
<v Shannon>Yes. You know where the points don't matter? Oh, you being mean.

01:43:02.235 --> 01:43:03.996
<v Jeff>No, but you know where the points don't matter?

01:43:03.996 --> 01:43:11.582
<v Shannon>Points don't matter? Well, come on. Oh my God. Oh my God. This is so good.

01:43:11.582 --> 01:43:13.503
<v Shannon>Oh yeah. Oh, slow down. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

01:43:14.164 --> 01:43:16.064
<v Shannon>Oh so good. Oh so good.

01:43:17.386 --> 01:43:25.210
<v Greg>Oh, hi Mark. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, yeah.

01:43:25.210 --> 01:43:27.211
<v Shannon>We got to make sure this stuff sticks in, right?

01:43:27.211 --> 01:43:29.413
<v Greg>That's the whole point of having it on a separate channel, right?

01:43:29.413 --> 01:43:33.775
<v Greg>So that the A.I. doesn't get rid of it. Yeah, no, it will. All these sounds

01:43:33.775 --> 01:43:36.397
<v Greg>have to be there because they seem to be very important to me.

01:43:44.382 --> 01:43:45.303
<v Shannon>All right.

01:43:48.325 --> 01:43:49.486
<v Greg>We have a perfect lead-in.

01:43:49.486 --> 01:43:56.311
<v Shannon>All right, I'm going to start with the bottom of the list.

01:43:56.311 --> 01:43:56.691
<v Jeff>Bottom.

01:43:56.691 --> 01:43:57.572
<v Shannon>Bottom.

01:43:57.572 --> 01:43:58.592
<v Jeff>She likes it on the bottom.

01:44:01.315 --> 01:44:02.775
<v Greg>Plenty of new things today.

01:44:05.418 --> 01:44:09.000
<v Shannon>Surprisingly, surprisingly, I am going to have to go with the fiddlehead. Yeah.

01:44:14.170 --> 01:44:19.853
<v Shannon>I mean, I really liked it. I actually bought a shirt from there because I really,

01:44:19.853 --> 01:44:29.519
<v Shannon>really liked their flagship IPA, but I don't know. The show ruins everything.

01:44:30.540 --> 01:44:36.764
<v Shannon>I mean, we're really critiquing these- Science is a harsh mistress.

01:44:39.346 --> 01:44:43.929
<v Shannon>And when you really put them up against each other, I'm going to have to say

01:44:43.929 --> 01:44:45.750
<v Shannon>Fiddlehead is at the bottom of the list.

01:44:47.872 --> 01:44:54.417
<v Shannon>So okay, next I am going to go with the first and last things,

01:44:54.417 --> 01:45:00.541
<v Shannon>which was from... Tillstedt. Tillstedt Farms, which really amazes me because...

01:45:02.223 --> 01:45:07.027
<v Greg>I'm sure it was delicious at the time. There was no beer here that wasn't like,

01:45:07.027 --> 01:45:09.008
<v Greg>oh wow, I could drink this and have a blast.

01:45:09.789 --> 01:45:11.110
<v Jeff>No drain pours, yeah.

01:45:12.371 --> 01:45:14.052
<v Shannon>This was Hillstead Farms.

01:45:14.052 --> 01:45:15.293
<v Jeff>Hill Farmstead.

01:45:15.293 --> 01:45:21.559
<v Shannon>Hill, I'm sorry. I know, I introduced that, so that's my bad name. Hill Farmstead.

01:45:21.559 --> 01:45:22.999
<v Greg>I like Hillstead Farms better.

01:45:22.999 --> 01:45:24.701
<v Shannon>Blew me away while I was there.

01:45:24.701 --> 01:45:28.504
<v Jeff>What, isn't that the company that makes like the pepperonis and the cheeses?

01:45:28.504 --> 01:45:29.484
<v Greg>Maybe, I don't know.

01:45:29.484 --> 01:45:32.647
<v Shannon>Oh yes, I believe you're right. Anyways.

01:45:32.647 --> 01:45:34.648
<v Greg>I still like it, I like the sound of it better.

01:45:35.309 --> 01:45:39.792
<v Shannon>So, this place blew me away and- The Hill Farmstead sounds wrong.

01:45:39.792 --> 01:45:45.597
<v Jeff>I thought there was- We have 12 more beers from them, which are just all big boys.

01:45:45.597 --> 01:45:46.077
<v Shannon>Yeah.

01:45:46.077 --> 01:45:47.838
<v Jeff>So, none of them are hoppy.

01:45:47.838 --> 01:45:51.381
<v Shannon>I'm surprised that it's ranking so low tonight.

01:45:51.381 --> 01:45:52.542
<v Jeff>Yeah, me too. Well, all right.

01:45:52.542 --> 01:45:55.504
<v Shannon>It's the fun thing about ranking.

01:45:55.504 --> 01:45:56.345
<v Greg>You never know.

01:45:56.345 --> 01:45:57.005
<v Shannon>Next.

01:45:57.005 --> 01:45:58.065
<v Jeff>Challenge your preconceptions.

01:46:00.948 --> 01:46:01.929
<v Shannon>Falmouth, the Grand Cru.

01:46:04.394 --> 01:46:11.745
<v Shannon>That would be um what did I write about that because I was taking some notes but,

01:46:17.370 --> 01:46:20.202
<v Shannon>It was just a little too briny for me. Yeah.

01:46:20.202 --> 01:46:20.872
<v Jeff>Yeah.

01:46:20.872 --> 01:46:29.078
<v Shannon>Um, and I was so excited.

01:46:35.183 --> 01:46:39.305
<v Shannon>So next, I have to tell you, I was so excited about the fact that we got to

01:46:39.305 --> 01:46:42.297
<v Shannon>get Crusher when we went back.

01:46:42.988 --> 01:46:46.050
<v Jeff>You'll enjoy it again tomorrow when we're just watching TV.

01:46:46.050 --> 01:46:53.454
<v Shannon>I'm sure I will because it was fantastic from The Alchemist.

01:46:54.755 --> 01:47:00.498
<v Shannon>I really enjoyed it, but tonight I was a little disappointed.

01:47:01.920 --> 01:47:12.506
<v Shannon>It was a little more dank than um it was two nights ago when we had it so I,

01:47:13.396 --> 01:47:28.277
<v Shannon>don't know I was really surprised next on my list would be this wait no didn't

01:47:28.277 --> 01:47:30.718
<v Shannon>play oh well nevermind foam the Bilt-to-Spill.

01:47:34.962 --> 01:47:45.070
<v Shannon>Very fruity. I really liked it. Very refreshing. I didn't have any of that dankness.

01:47:46.071 --> 01:47:47.572
<v Shannon>I didn't have any tannins.

01:47:48.713 --> 01:47:52.076
<v Shannon>So do you remember, did we have this beer when we were there?

01:47:52.076 --> 01:47:52.216
<v Jeff>Yeah.

01:47:52.216 --> 01:47:52.836
<v Shannon>Yeah. Okay.

01:47:53.777 --> 01:47:57.360
<v Jeff>If we did, I think this can is better than what we had in draft.

01:47:57.360 --> 01:47:59.872
<v Shannon>Really?

01:47:59.872 --> 01:48:02.984
<v Jeff>I think this can is delicious. And I don't remember...

01:48:02.984 --> 01:48:03.965
<v Greg>Did you mute me?

01:48:03.965 --> 01:48:04.545
<v Jeff>No.

01:48:05.747 --> 01:48:06.987
<v Shannon>No, I hear you.

01:48:06.987 --> 01:48:08.568
<v Jeff>You hear?

01:48:08.568 --> 01:48:09.269
<v Greg>I don't hear anything.

01:48:09.269 --> 01:48:12.331
<v Jeff>I hear you. Play... I heard a couple of things, though.

01:48:12.331 --> 01:48:18.467
<v Greg>You had the Wilhelms for that. Yeah. All right, I'm going to try this again.

01:48:18.467 --> 01:48:22.219
<v Shannon>Huh. If we have to take a take three of episode 509.

01:48:22.839 --> 01:48:23.880
<v Jeff>Because of your soundboard.

01:48:25.822 --> 01:48:29.644
<v Greg>My soundboard has stopped working. They stopped sending sounds.

01:48:29.644 --> 01:48:31.786
<v Jeff>Here, unplug that and plug that back in.

01:48:31.786 --> 01:48:39.051
<v Greg>I will. Because I had some great, amazing things that would have just changed everything.

01:48:41.453 --> 01:48:45.075
<v Greg>And yet, and I just got the USB problem.

01:48:46.597 --> 01:48:50.319
<v Greg>Which is it, you put in once, it doesn't work. and twice the flipping around

01:48:50.319 --> 01:48:55.283
<v Greg>doesn't work you put in a third time flipping around and it finally works absolutely

01:48:55.283 --> 01:48:58.525
<v Greg>let me know when I should Mario!

01:48:58.966 --> 01:49:04.150
<v Greg>okay so that came back so what I was trying to do well it doesn't really matter

01:49:04.150 --> 01:49:09.230
<v Greg>but when you were yeah you were just having the argument take me out take me out.

01:49:08.592 --> 01:49:16.859
<v Shannon>It just felt like the right moment, yeah so in third What did we have one two,

01:49:16.859 --> 01:49:22.183
<v Shannon>three, four five six seven eight What did eight night?

01:49:22.183 --> 01:49:25.566
<v Greg>Yeah, I mean when you have to when you have three two people you do a different

01:49:25.566 --> 01:49:27.066
<v Greg>show Yeah, yeah for sure.

01:49:27.307 --> 01:49:36.254
<v Shannon>So it's great so in third place we have the alagash days and and which I really

01:49:36.254 --> 01:49:37.755
<v Shannon>thought was gonna be in first.

01:49:38.776 --> 01:49:39.676
<v Greg>I understand why.

01:49:39.676 --> 01:49:46.721
<v Shannon>And I'm shocked that I'm putting it in third, but I rated them and took notes

01:49:46.721 --> 01:49:51.425
<v Shannon>as I was going along and this is where it landed.

01:49:51.425 --> 01:49:55.608
<v Shannon>So I really like it.

01:49:56.809 --> 01:50:02.492
<v Shannon>I really, really do. But I have to tell you, top two are better.

01:50:02.532 --> 01:50:03.393
<v Shannon>Surprise, motherfucker.

01:50:04.114 --> 01:50:14.322
<v Shannon>Yeah, so number two would be the holy donut from, who did the holy donut?

01:50:15.173 --> 01:50:19.025
<v Shannon>Lone Pug. Okay, holy donut, loved it.

01:50:20.407 --> 01:50:24.169
<v Shannon>Can't find my notes on it now to talk about it.

01:50:25.721 --> 01:50:30.854
<v Shannon>Where the hell are my notes? I do that. Oh yeah, very boozy.

01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:41.902
<v Shannon>I tasted the smokiness, the barrel, the roasted walnuts, and the dark chocolate.

01:50:42.242 --> 01:50:46.565
<v Shannon>I actually really, really, really loved this one.

01:50:48.186 --> 01:50:53.845
<v Shannon>And it was really hard for me to choose between first and second because,

01:50:53.845 --> 01:50:57.512
<v Shannon>I mean, that's apples and oranges in comparison.

01:50:58.193 --> 01:51:00.834
<v Greg>Yes, they definitely are. They're very different.

01:51:00.834 --> 01:51:05.436
<v Shannon>And if I was looking for a, more of a dessert after,

01:51:08.858 --> 01:51:09.238
<v Shannon>dinner.

01:51:12.653 --> 01:51:16.476
<v Shannon>um, beverage, then I would choose holy donut.

01:51:16.476 --> 01:51:20.579
<v Shannon>Um, and that would be number one,

01:51:20.579 --> 01:51:29.645
<v Shannon>but, but if I was choosing something to go with my meal or just to drink,

01:51:29.645 --> 01:51:38.592
<v Shannon>um, on, you know, you know, amongst us or anywhere just to have a good time.

01:51:39.292 --> 01:51:46.178
<v Shannon>The freaking Twin Barns Lake Cruiser, shockingly. Yeah.

01:51:46.828 --> 01:51:49.400
<v Greg>You would not have expected it to be going in here.

01:51:49.400 --> 01:51:52.842
<v Shannon>I did. Man. Did all three of us choose that as number one?

01:51:52.842 --> 01:51:54.464
<v Greg>Yes, all three of us made this number one.

01:51:54.464 --> 01:51:58.867
<v Jeff>Like, so, but which one would you marry? Which one would you fuck?

01:51:58.867 --> 01:52:01.748
<v Greg>And I, and just giving a taste after it, I see why.

01:52:03.811 --> 01:52:07.686
<v Greg>It makes, you give it a taste, it makes sense. You understand why when you taste

01:52:07.686 --> 01:52:10.775
<v Greg>it, and you're like, yeah, this is something that I'd have every day.

01:52:10.775 --> 01:52:16.157
<v Shannon>All right. So which one would I marry? Well, because I don't eat dessert every

01:52:16.157 --> 01:52:19.399
<v Shannon>day, I can't marry the holy donut.

01:52:19.779 --> 01:52:23.981
<v Shannon>So I'm gonna have to marry the Lake Cruiser.

01:52:27.048 --> 01:52:29.910
<v Shannon>I would definitely fuck the holy doughnut though.

01:52:29.910 --> 01:52:30.430
<v Greg>Me too.

01:52:31.411 --> 01:52:31.992
<v Shannon>Every day.

01:52:38.507 --> 01:52:43.320
<v Shannon>And which one would I kill? I don't, I couldn't kill any of them because.

01:52:44.621 --> 01:52:45.661
<v Greg>I could kill the fiddlehead.

01:52:48.224 --> 01:52:51.546
<v Greg>And you know what? I could even kill a first and last things.

01:52:52.587 --> 01:52:55.589
<v Greg>I can't. I feel like I could get away We'll let you slide this time.

01:52:56.310 --> 01:52:57.410
<v Shannon>Yeah, I can't kill.

01:52:57.931 --> 01:53:02.455
<v Jeff>I have the outro music here. All right.

01:53:02.455 --> 01:53:03.195
<v Shannon>Thank you. Yes.

01:53:03.716 --> 01:53:04.476
<v Jeff>Thanks, everyone.

01:53:04.476 --> 01:53:07.358
<v Greg>Join our discord. Join our discord.

01:53:07.358 --> 01:53:09.880
<v Jeff>CraftBeRudio.com you'll find a link for.

01:53:11.902 --> 01:53:14.343
<v Greg>Buy my book, buy my book.

01:53:18.407 --> 01:53:21.209
<v Greg>That's a Simpsons reference. I think it was Krusty, right?

01:53:23.350 --> 01:53:31.496
<v Greg>Yeah, oh What do you what is this you're playing pb herman, oh,

01:53:31.496 --> 01:53:33.637
<v Greg>he just died all ribbons.

01:53:36.959 --> 01:53:41.102
<v Jeff>Yeah I feel it just played the tequila song. That's what I should have done

01:53:41.102 --> 01:53:46.565
<v Jeff>instead of clicking the pb herman one All righty, wow, okay,

01:53:46.565 --> 01:53:50.028
<v Jeff>well, we got there, I think.

01:53:50.108 --> 01:53:52.988
<v Greg>I don't even know, is this like coming through on the... Yeah,

01:53:52.988 --> 01:53:55.952
<v Greg>it's coming through. All right.

01:53:55.952 --> 01:54:00.616
<v Shannon>Maybe. No, I don't think it is. But we have a backup, so hopefully.

01:54:01.397 --> 01:54:06.900
<v Greg>Well, I don't know, I don't even know if it's coming through on their microphone, because that...

01:54:07.922 --> 01:54:09.503
<v Jeff>Oh, is it playing there? Yeah.

01:54:09.903 --> 01:54:11.664
<v Greg>So I think it's gonna be cut out.

01:54:11.664 --> 01:54:16.848
<v Jeff>Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Fuck. You're right. You're right. Let me. You do it.

01:54:16.848 --> 01:54:17.028
<v Greg>Yes.

01:54:17.028 --> 01:54:18.889
<v Jeff>I'm just, I thought I'd be all smart.

01:54:18.889 --> 01:54:20.870
<v Shannon>I'm not smart. Oh, you know.

01:54:21.491 --> 01:54:22.451
<v Jeff>I'm not smart.

01:54:22.451 --> 01:54:23.951
<v Shannon>I'm not a smart man.

01:54:25.192 --> 01:54:27.933
<v Greg>Let's see. Tequila song. Okay. Yeah. Okay, yeah, all right.

01:54:38.557 --> 01:54:39.217
<v Greg>There we go.

01:54:41.499 --> 01:54:44.601
<v Greg>Thank you for listening to Craft Beer Radio. Episode 509, hopefully.

01:54:44.601 --> 01:54:48.524
<v Greg>Part two. Hopefully the real one. Hopefully the one that lasts.

01:54:48.524 --> 01:54:51.566
<v Greg>Take two. The take two. The take two. Hopefully we don't have to do a take three.

01:54:52.147 --> 01:54:53.708
<v Greg>We can move on to five ten next time.

01:54:56.030 --> 01:54:58.092
<v Greg>We thank you so much for listening to us.

01:54:58.092 --> 01:55:06.198
<v Jeff>Hey, I know you are, but what am I? What? I know you are, but what am I? Ha! Okay.

01:55:08.680 --> 01:55:10.781
<v Shannon>That was a terrible pee we heard on it.

01:55:13.064 --> 01:55:17.586
<v Greg>Okay, thank you for listening to Craft Beer Radio. Join our Discord.

01:55:18.327 --> 01:55:21.129
<v Greg>Join our Discord, go to craftbeeradio.com, there's a link there.

01:55:21.129 --> 01:55:22.390
<v Jeff>It's the funnest fun you'll ever fun.

01:55:22.891 --> 01:55:24.211
<v Shannon>And- Show us some love.

01:55:25.293 --> 01:55:27.074
<v Greg>Yes, show us some love, come on guys.

01:55:27.074 --> 01:55:30.556
<v Jeff>Give us some recommendations, we're looking for them.

01:55:30.697 --> 01:55:34.159
<v Greg>Give us some music to play, give us some beers to look for.

01:55:34.159 --> 01:55:35.660
<v Shannon>Tell us what you're drinking.

01:55:36.060 --> 01:55:39.763
<v Jeff>Tell us to keep the show under an hour and 55 minutes and 38 seconds.

01:55:39.763 --> 01:55:43.646
<v Greg>Give us something to talk about in the post show so that you can hear us go

01:55:43.646 --> 01:55:45.467
<v Greg>on our weird rants about shit.

01:55:46.868 --> 01:55:49.490
<v Shannon>Just give us feedback. We love it. Do it.

01:55:50.631 --> 01:55:51.171
<v Greg>Do it.

01:55:51.171 --> 01:55:56.615
<v Shannon>Bam. Bam, mic drop.

