one two three shoot greg glens welcome to craft beer radio episode
five hundred ten on five hundred eleven on august eighteenth twenty twenty
three i'm shannon i'm
jeff i was looking for a microphone to talk into i'm still
not used to these lavalier mics i'm great where's my mic all
right so yeah greg mentioned it in the intro there but the
last like three shows we said the wrong episode number at the
beginning of the thing so i just like it i just think
it should be just something that we stay with why do we
need to be pressured to be accurate right i mean so what
do you got here what are you these are more beers from
our trip good news for you greg this will be the last
show where i feel like we have to get the ipas while
they're fresh but this one is the fourth anniversary from twin barns
brewing it is a golden rye IPA so this should be something
a little bit different from the the no i poured poorly shannon
get much and we're going to have some so there's some too
so we're going to have to do the mixy mix dumb mixy
oh three way here oh OK so this is hop with six
point seven percent hop with new zealand grown nectaroon and rewaka hop
OK all right yeah and then the other note is that this
is a rye IPA so you know rye will typically give it
a more spicy and character to the grand maltville it's also a
hazy i know you pulled these out before it's still pretty cold
and you know warm this up a bit how has your couple
of weeks been as your fortnight no it's been busy with work
and i'm still making bowls got back to making bowls so it's
fun can make bowls while i can i have one of your
bowls and it's a great bowl yeah it's got one of the
good ones too i really like that knothole that was in that
one yeah i was making this probably like my third or fourth
bowl and i'm turning it and it still has the bark on
it i really don't know what it's going to be and there
was some you know like kind of punky wood like a branch
knothole in the side and i was thinking i was going to
once i got it cleared off i was going to glue that
in epoxy at something and then as i'm turning it the knot
flies out like hits me in the shoulder so i'm like OK
i guess i'm good you were wearing eyewear yeah yeah got a
whole face shield so punky is that the term when it's like
almost rotten OK like soft and rotten because the first thing that
came into my mind when i heard punky was anybody punky brewster
punky brewster which then i realized could that be a name for
a brewery i'm the punky brewster there you go NBC or CBS
probably still owns like the trademark probably i don't really get a
lot on the nose do you all something hobby but that's kind
of it i'm not kidding so these are what's we can root
raku right nectarine and rewaka rewaka OK yeah so rewaka is one
of those new zealand hop right so a little soft a little
bit vanilla a little bit melon you know so i am smelling
something like that on the nose not really like big old citrus
or anything like that and then in the aroma you're getting aroma
you're also getting in the malt you know you're getting a little
bit of barley a fair amount of rye yeah that's mostly what
i'm getting yeah it is the malt and i'm the malt yeah
i guess there's a little like i don't know something peach like
for me it's a little bit like a candle or a honeydew
like a that that's a that's a better description yeah very mild
yes it's kind of dry has a nice christmas to it because
of the rye and the multiple i think the rye adds something
to it by making it not feel just kind of puffy by
giving a little bit of a bite but it also is very
like melanie on on the first step and it it's more sweet
and then the rye kicks in yeah had this beer this was
the day that we were did the all the rainy day breweries
in new hampshire and this was that last place right by our
airbnb oh yeah yeah we got this that's a good one to
me it seems very bitter i think it's sarai 'cause i don't
feel like that it's it's bitter hop wise i don't have any
IB us or anything yeah it doesn't taste like a a resiny
like hop bitterness it's very dry right it is and there's kind
of a clang on your tongue a little bit you know like
i think that's from the rye is that what you're coming across
it's from the rye yeah it's different and i like that it's
different because i just posted in our discord by the way please
join our discord the link is on see crafter radio dot com
right on the front page towards the bottom and then in the
what are we drinking area i posted that i got what was
it not heavy topper but the other one focal banger focal banger
from The Alchemist and it was yeah fifteen wow yeah yesterday is when
i bought it and it was made two days before so like
like that's as fresh i think as i could possibly get in
pittsburgh oh for sure so and yeah it was just like it
was fine and it kind of reminded me of all the things
that this this thing was i think it's a little bit more
drinkable than heady topper yeah yeah i had one more at the
The Alchemist but i was i guess i was looking for this super
juicy super fresh i'm at you know at mecca kind of thing
i drank the sucker from the can yeah did you yeah i
i i read all the instructions i the thing is if nothing
else like i said in in in the chat there the thing
that i appreciated the most wasn't the fact that oh i get
a whale but it was this is a this place that i
shop for beer which i do is pay in something of a
premium for you know it's more expensive than it would be like
it some of the other stores but they're taking care of their
beer and yeah this was right out there two days is kind
of crazy so still city beer is the importer for the The Alchemist
which i had errantly presumed OK they signed a contract but i
don't think The Alchemist has any beer to come to pittsburgh well obviously
that's wrong but it's crazy that it went from canning line through
the wholesaler to the retailer in two days when it's a fourteen
hour drive so and i'm pretty sure because i think i've talked
to people there you know they make sure that stuff arrives cold
you know it's not they don't have it let it go warming
there's obviously there are beers out there that aren't in their fridge
so it's not like they do it everything is like that but
for the for the expensive stuff the top shelf stuff they they
keep it cold and they make sure it's there so i appreciate
it that much the fact that the beer wasn't that amazing it's
fine i'm willing to pay a little bit of a of an
extra thing just as a shout out to the you know as
a here here's my here's my present to you guys for sure
shannon and i went hiking first time in pennsylvania after our trip
and it wasn't quite the same doing hikes around western pennsylvania kind
of a let down after you've done hiking in new england yeah
yeah i i can see that although we didn't talk about it
i didn't want to say that one of the things that we
didn't mention about the nice thing about living in pennsylvania and pittsburgh
in particular is so if you live there in vermont or up
there there's kind of one way in you can get stuff but
there's a narrower way to get things to there whereas we're in
a much more centralized location so it's a lot easier to get
a hold of more stuff where we are and quicker so if
nothing else we are kind of in the middle of a of
a big you know mercantile area which helps us a lot when
we want to get stuff yeah i think she's like but the
mountains yeah the hiking the yeah i'll i'd take i'd trade it
yeah i'd definitely trade it for me being outdoors in maine and
i'm like i don't want to just be on the grid i
i want to be the grid would you like yeah i'll drink
not a fan did you think it was bad or just not
super into it just not super into it i didn't think it
was bad but i i i get it you know reserve your
sobriety for stuff that you you think you're going to really love
yeah so that makes sense this is again the twin barns four
the fourth anniversary it's got a big four on it it does
all right let's let's stagger the IP as this time let's go
to a farmhouse oh good that's a good idea all right bellflower
brewing company this was one in portland that we hit up their
brewery i believe is outside no it says in portland here OK
but we were going to say they brew out we literally brew
outside no no it seems like a lot of the places in
portland have they're tap rooms and have places elsewhere seen a bunch
of that when we were doing those breweries which one is this
one bellflower this is do you remember the beer name that's what
i'm asking is he's looking at it i'm sorry farmhouse farmhouse or
it's called bellflower farmhouse ale oop that was me i apologize need
to turn off the error message no it is farmhouse i don't
i drank one of these last week and i got my hands
smacked save these for the show i just told you guys save
one i'm exaggerating OK so bellflower parm the peppa bellflower farmhouse six
percent and everything else is just this is what your old taste
which i'm not going to bother to read because that's not i
want to learn myself the the color i will have to say
it's not as dark gold as the last one it's a much
lighter yeah it almost has like a wit beer kind of color
it does it's not quite as white as a wit beer but
it has some opacity to the the cloudiness yeah yeah it's cloudiness
it's not a hazy like a hazy IPA and it's funny you
say wet and as soon as i knows it like i smell
a wit beer well you're going to smell a lot of the
similar characteristics right you're going to smell a big wheat part of
the green bills wheat in this it's common for a lot of
farmhouse sales and then the yeast likely not a wit beer yeast
but it's going to be a more rustic sazolan yeast or something
like that they're going to be in the same extended family kind
of flavor wise right and then i haven't tasted yet but you
know you might not probably doesn't have coriander and orange peel and
things like that added to it the rusticness of this comes through
because i mean i smell this and i'm imagining like an old
farmhouse fence so there's like a a dusty mustiness coming out of
it i'm smelling the inside of a clean barn i'm not saying
a dirty the the wood and the the hay you know that
combination of those two i'm actually getting like a buckwheat kind of
aroma where it's like a little more otay chewy and kind of
brown smelling compared to a wheat all right otay as buckwheat would
say oh you're not saying OT like there's oats in it no
no i'm saying like eddie murphy on saturday night live when he
did buckwheat character OT we're old on to the flavour it's sweeter
than i thought it'd be the mole comes through it has kind
of like almost like a marmalade toast type flavor toast you're on
is only there but i think that i think you're in the
right like zone but i think you're that's also coming across melanie
like the lot melon E like the last beer also like there's
like almost like melon jelly or something on it did you say
marmalade yeah because i'm thinking definitely like a cracker with something on
it yeah it doesn't have it doesn't really carry the orange part
that's not really what i was going for more of just the
vibe of toasty bread with some jelly on it yeah OK then
then i guess where you're in the right zone what's that flavor
though it's it's not orange well i take back what i said
i said cantaloupe but no i think it's a really faint i'm
tasting faintly tasting apricot OK OK so if you pictured an apricot
jam and you just barely put some on your toast spread it
really really really thin OK yeah i do think that's a good
call i i see that there that that's there there's something as
more like in terms of melon there's a little bit of honeydew
in there i think yeah i'm not getting like a singular fruit
here there's more of a combination there's might might be a little
bit of like lychee yeah i could i could see that or
even like dragon fruit along those lines for sure so LK ninety
nine is another thing no apparently it is a log standard ordinary
diamagnetic possibly diamagnetic metal diamagnetic metal means that it can expel it
can expel magnetic fields so you can get things to float on
and if you if you have the magnetic lined right but you're
not expending any energy by doing that by the way it it
it's just sort of it it's like it's like resting something on
top of a what's a good physical analogy for this because basically
it's it's resting on top of the field lines so it's not
doing any energy it's just being held yeah well i mean i
guess the closest thing to say it's like a table right the
table is holding this this glass up against gravity but it's not
doing any it's not putting any energy into the fact that it's
doing that right yeah now the paper was retracted yeah i guess
the guy 's getting the team 's getting you know investigated so
i don't know what i know that one of the papers from
the guys was attracted i don't know if the LK ninety nine
paper itself was attracted but i don't think it was published by
i don't think it was even published yet or wasn't published by
like a prestigious journal but physical review letters which is a very
prestigious journal did retract one of like the main guy 's papers
so yeah people get excited about flashes in the pan all the
time and you know i'm used to seeing it happen in my
in the field that i study in particle physics so i'm really
skeptical about anything that happens in there i'm i was of course
less skeptical about the LK ninety nine for kind of a couple
reasons one of which was it's not my field and the other
one was the ease of of testing it because it was relatively
according to the the stuff that was on there and the stuff
that i read it was like really easy for people to test
this thing so there wouldn't be a whole lot of time between
whether we knew this was legit or not yeah i started to
talk about this couple episodes ago but we got off track i
was watching a youtube series a youtube show about element hunting and
thus the scandals there there's you know there's like three main places
that discover all these super heavy elements you got berkeley in brookhaven
right yeah there's one berkeley berkeley there's one in germany and then
the what in russia what in russia so berkeley kind of hired
away this guy viktor ninov from the german group and long story
short this guy it just compulsive with falsifying information to to get
to the discoveries you know so berkeley had huge egg on their
face like like like because he claimed like three or four of
the you know like you know like for like one O seven
until one fourteen someone in there like that he had found it
but then they went back and looked at the data it was
all falsified that's bad because so when you're element hunting for for
those who are in the know and like for shannon i'm sure
you don't really are up on how many of this works but
you're you're throwing you're throwing someone nucleus in another hoping that there's
going to be a fusion and that you know that's going to
be an extraordinarily unstable atom and it's going to decay so you
know what what you're what's going to be left behind and you're
looking for what's going to be left behind you're familiar with the
periodic table of elements a little bit absolutely and so like right
now it goes up to like one twelve or so but everything
after one fifteen one eighteen i think one eighteen is the is
the last one that was OK but everything in the hundreds i
don't know exactly where like something that's stable but they decay right
away so what these people do is they find two combinations of
elements that when they slam them together they make these big elements
or they make something the keys in through this big element kind
of thing and you're throwing not like one you're throwing like a
bajillion of these you're stripping off the electrons you're throwing up bajillion
of these nuclei at other nuclei and just hoping that one of
them or maybe two of them will hit in just the right
way because they're both positively charged there's lots of reasons why this
you know this is exacting difficult work to do and requires like
really calibrated machines really pure environments you know as pure a vacuum
as possible it's interesting because there's different recipes you can use to
try to get these big elements like einsteinium is like one of
the biggest elements i think it's einsteinium that lasts long enough that
you can throw other things at it get anything bigger than einsteinium
will decay before you have enough time to throw things at it
so like they start they have einsteinium sitting there microseconds and then
they use like and then they use like cobalt or something and
they're or maybe even bigger i forget but they throw that so
like you can't use element like one O eight and throw element
one O eight at it to try to get element two hundred
sixteen or whatever because neither of them last long enough for the
experiment that happened so so let's say you're trying to get element
one twenty well you could in theory i guess try to throw
sixty at sixty right but i don't think that would work for
some reason there's there's lots of real weird nuclear physics reasons why
they pick the ones that they do but the the numbers should
add up to what you're trying to get and then you know
based on the information that the math tells you what it will
decay into and so then you what you do is you try
to measure and see if those because you you obviously once that
happens and again it falls apart in you know microseconds or or
even less it so what you're looking for is then the daughter
elements the decay of of the of that will produce the right
proportion of these other things it gives you the finger you were
there you know that kind of thing gotcha so it's a lot
of really difficult exacting work but because you know what you're expecting
if you wanted to fake it you presumably could and and there
is sort of a on some level an honor system that you're
not doing that part of what he was doing was to try
to get dibs because i think i think it was we'll get
there sooner or later and sooner is better so i want to
falsify the information in case another lab gets it we can have
dibs on discovering it and which one was this one because i
didn't know this is the berkeley lab victor nino so he he
just got you know once he was found out he strum down
to the industry so yeah because because it it's built on the
honor system that honor system is very rigorously enforced so if if
you're found of violating that then you are just out that's why
a lot of studies they try they do Dubbel blind or they
don't even get a chance to look at the information or they
code it in a way so that they only can so that
they gather all the information with their machines and it's then like
coded before they even look at it and then they later much
later when when all the experiments are done then they they decoded
and see whether they did it or not so they're so they're
not influenced by learn what have happened the craziest bias today that
that american that people have what's that they prefer letters on the
right side of the keyboard versus letters on the left side of
the keyboard really it started before nineteen ninety names that were chosen
for children use letters from both sides of the keyboard fairly equally
and after nineteen ninety skews hard to the right side of the
keyboard but that's not the only piece of evidence there are just
if you take surveys of you know do you like a or
you better you know like stuff like that like it wades out
the right side of the keyboard for right and left handed people
i mean there are two good vowels on the left side of
the keyboard A and E so you think that those are good
yeah you would but i'm thinking about yeah you were a type
we're we're i mean i'm just yeah i'm thinking about how much
faster i am tristan 's a left handed name tyler 's middle
and max is mostly left handed although the M 's all the
way on the right hand side victoria 's kind of mixed too
so you don't fall into the things too much i'm a lefty
i'm a lefty for sure although technically i'm i'm gregory so there
is yeah if you put it in jeffrey i'm totally in the
middle of the keyboard put in jeffrey i'm totally left sided keyboard
i mean not not a hundred percent i don't like stewardess right
or you know stewardess is all left handed longest left handed word
i didn't realize it was the longest left handed word i've never
really paid attention but i'm just thinking about when i type like
which hand is more dominant and you know which one i type
faster with which side of the keyboard i'm faster on and i
guess it probably is the right and rexta is all left handed
so if you know anybody named rexta rexta i don't know the
the the so the the qwerty layout i just learned that so
i listen to radiolab and that's where they threw this nugget out
about how there's a bias this weird bias that like there's not
a good hypothesis why but in in like china where the the
the story is mostly about how china was able to do the
different methods of getting all of the chinese characters into a computer
typed in through a keyboard and stuff like that but like there's
not a similar bias there but where there's qwerty keyboards are common
in like europe germany england that they all have the right letter
by right letter bias and we we read left to right so
it's kind of this is doubly weird weird or the and this
also could be like a correlation is not equal to causation type
thing it'd be interest like and then like so like when the
qwerty keyboard was organized you know we've probably heard the story that
they had to mix up the letters yeah so what i understand
the hammers of stories about that are BS like or at least
are challenged so here's a here's the new story that i've heard
is the word typewriter is all on the top row because typewriter
salesman couldn't really type but they wanted to demonstrate it really fast
no that's that's no i i i i believe that that is
something that's out there i don't know whether that's something that's true
that does that has that flavor of being something that people made
up after the fact yeah OK so should we move on to
something else yeah well on me another IPA and the ping pong
back and forth here this one 's the definitive brewing company stainless
oasis stainless oasis from definitive yes i believe this is another one
that i got my hand slapped for what you got to save
one of those for the show i mean you know and you
don't want to be tainted you want to like not know what
this tastes like it's coming in kind of OK this is definitive
stainless oasis i'm being more careful pouring now i got all three
glasses here and i'm just going to pour like an ounce in
each and so we all get the same strata without having to
so when you say definitive how definitive are you talking that's pretty
definitive i mean there's no yeah these guys are also in portland
stainless weights another hazy shock shocker it'll be the last show where
i'm trying to get these hazies out while they're still fresh sorry
it's just too much i mean i i'm jaded about it now
i can't deny it when i everything is hazies and i just
i look for more there's so much downstairs though that's not it's
just that we had to get these out first i know i
know i understand but no we have a ton of beer from
oxbow we're going to be doing an oxbow here next i'm wearing
the shirt is that what that shirt is yes OK say the
back OK yeah so it's got so i'm stated does that mean
yeah yeah i was not i don't know for some reason i
didn't know oxbow 's reputation oh we'll talk about that when we
drink the oxbow how could you there's so many breweries around there
how could you know everybody 's reputation i feel like there's there's
too many reasons there have to be whales anymore well it was
on our discord and i was talking about where we were and
someone said you got to go down a couple blocks to oxbow
and we were actually gonna we're gonna probably cut the night short
before we went there yeah and like no you got to go
so like be a discord listener or discard participants another reason to
join our discord and now the sticker is on my laptop the
definitive sticker i don't know about you all but that sounds funny
kids i'm describing the same thing but apricot jumps out can i
smell yours i smell mine i'm getting more like guava definitely smells
different than mine doesn't it yeah i poured it did you guys
see how it no i i'm i'm not i'm not arguing i'm
just saying that weirdly we're not getting exactly the same experience yeah
let's look i had all three glasses in a triangle and poured
it a little bit in each glass and just went around in
a circle that's crazy that we don't have the same beer guess
not as lively in the noses as the one that you had
i'm just trying to pick through it and i'm getting mostly malt
i'm getting like tropicals like subtle tropicals like guava dragon fruit actually
i just went on to the flavor and and i think you
know dragon fruit 's not really that flavorful of a fruit but
i am totally tasting it in this beer kind of that like
mix between dragon fruit leaning towards pear there's a pear i i
feel grapes actually pear definitely pear now i've only had dragon fruit
like what once or twice it has another one has kind of
a melody texture to it it it it's you know it's in
the it's in that ballpark of lychee and water chestnut like all
those things with subtle flavors yeah it's it's it's a lot like
tomato salt makes a difference OK i don't think i've ever had
it with salt i've had watermelon with salt another one where yeah
we were watching something on youtube and threw our they suggested putting
cracked pepper on watermelon oh yeah that fucking delicious of course never
knew oh yeah no it's amazing yeah it is because pepper is
how would you describe pepper pepper is everyone 's had pepper but
like it's got so it's it's got a bit of spice to
it and woodiness and it does help to it has it's got
that oiliness which then can bring in other can it can use
that aromatic oiliness to bring in other flavors and sort of elevate
them vanilla ice cream pepper is fantastic on vanilla ice cream haven't
had that but i'll never have watermelon again without pepper that's for
sure i mean when i have the opportunity to put pepper on
it fresh yeah has to be fresh yeah yeah the if you
get like dried pepper in a that's that's little more than cardboard
i really like this one that is nice and drinkable there's a
hint of vanilla in there too there is that's a good call
yeah this one 's super tasty drinkable because it has the subtle
tropical flavors to it you know it's not the bitterness is low
at least the apparent bitterness is low yeah this is nice and
drinkable i really do enjoy this one for an IPA right for
an IPA for new england IPA this is the definitive stainless oasis
so you you put in the notes this new horizons thing do
you want to talk about that yeah listener of the show at
least former listener i should probably tell him we're doing it again
because he hasn't commented and and he was a huge fan of
the show john daigle the guy we met down at aslan yeah
yeah in DC that on the way back from the beach one
time he sent an email i was BCC don't i don't know
if you got it but i think he works for one of
the organizations that putting on this petition it's it's about extending or
NASA has decided to cut the budget for the extended mission of
new horizons which is the space probe that flew past pluto in
twenty nineteen and also that flew past one of the kuiper belt
objects yeah contact binary i forget what it was called but it
it was it looked kind of like gold snowman it was a
native american name for sky i forget which which tribe but so
they decided to they're going to hibernate the machine but they're going
to contract out or let the contract run out for the team
the science team and then replace it with a heliocentric science team
and it's said that you know OK new horizons could be reactivated
but it'll be doing heliocentric science and not like voyager and not
key KBO science you know kuiper belt object science then he wants
petitions signed i was just i like i don't know like i
was hoping for like a strong case of why science is better
for the KBO study i i kind of wonder if it was
you know like his company is you know APR type thing for
the the current science team or something you know i'm not sure
what's your feeling on it i mean a machine probe where all
the instruments are still working and there's fuel it seems a shame
to not use it i don't i don't have a good idea
on which brand of science is better i don't know well i
was wondering what you think like how what do you think about
well so while planetary science and cosmology is not the field that
i put a lot of effort into studying it is a field
that i'm very interested in and i and i consider myself beyond
a layman in it and i love love planetary exploration robotic planetary
i'm i'm a huge fan i have a chart on my wall
of planetary exploration from from things and i think new horizons are
fantastic spacecraft and really cool stuff and this this petition when you
sent it to me and i read it i was embarrassed OK
and i felt it was shameless let me read what it says
here OK i with budget constraints NASA has decided to cut funding
for new horizons and cease its kuiper belt exploration starting october first
twenty twenty four fiscal year twenty twenty five NASA also intends to
recompete the new horizon science team if early september replacing them with
a lower cost heliophysics team after the global accolades is that fair
funding for the spacecraft may not be restored at some point after
fiscal year may be restored at some point after fiscal twenty twenty
five but as a heliophysics vision mission not explain the kuiper belt
unless this is reversed the kuiper belt mission would be ended prematurely
to save single digit millions of dollars even though the team believes
they are important scientific investigations to complete every belt represents the vast
majority of solar just a mass to sustain a future space training
civilization and take humanity for the stars that last sentence is just
fucking bullshit the kuiper belt is gigantic it's this gigantic area in
terms of space because it's it's beyond neptune and you know it's
tilted with respect to to the incline the solar system and it's
and it's huge but it's also got like nothing in it it's
basically empty i mean they kind of got pretty lucky to do
that second fly do the second fly they they had no idea
that that thing was out there when they launched you know they
found that with hubble a couple years before the fly by but
there has been a consistent effort to find something else for this
to go to and nothing has been found because there's nothing there
and there is certainly not enough fuel on the craft to to
get anywhere close to anything that we know about and a helio
physics mission seems like a really good use for the spacecraft now
that it's at the point where there's nothing really it can reach
i mean that's what i was looking for i didn't know i
mean this obviously is one side of the story like what you
just read it's very agenda well the the the thing that really
embarrassed me was after the global accolades is that fair now just
like what the fuck does that mean is that fair is life
fair is that fair the god global accolades for the science is
doing and now it can transition into doing a science that it's
in the position to do some good science for what i i
now i i understand the angle that look you know it's hard
out there for a postdoc if these kuiper belt guys want to
have a job but that's not what really what this is saying
this is trying to appeal on a much broader basis of of
of like the last thing about how this is the mass to
sustain future space bearing civilization there won't be space bearing civilization that's
nonsense take humanity to the stars humanity is not going anywhere we
got one planet that's it dumb buzzkill mister star trek saying that
what the hell man i think this is this is entirely the
right decision and i feel like if you want to send something
else to the kyber belt i'm all for it right let's send
more crafts to the kyber belt to explore but make this thing
into a heliophysics thing because yeah we could use more heliophysics probes
there's more science to be done there this thing is on a
hyperbolic trajectory it's going outside of the solar system not as fast
as voyager is but it still will will hit those same things
it's better to have a multiple data points than just one it's
got more advanced tech on it when i was after i saw
this i'm like OK i want to know like what's the what's
the A side science and the B side science i didn't get
i did get i got distracted didn't find that answer but i
found NASA has this really cool visualization where you can orbit around
the solar system it shows you where all the probes are and
how pioneer tens like zipping off that way and i think we
should make use of new horizons while we have it in the
best way possible and i do think that is definitely a heliophysics
mission so sorry john i'm i'm not buying it what's next next
is beard beer de coupage OK i'm going to have a to
to look at the label there to from shilling beer company i
did think it was B I E R E so i was
right there beer de coupage they are de coupage first shows up
in the french we were doing the rainy day beers in new
hampshire OK that was that place place where we sat at that
little sidebar had the pizza i think or down by the river
was busy at the bar where is it the sidebar that little
counter yeah where we were staring at the boats in the marina
no no is that we had a oyster there in new hampshire
on the road oh in new i'm sorry new hampshire on a
rainy day so what is The The Bruery here 'cause there are lots
of beer to coupons shilling beer company shilling shilling shilling SCH yeah
OK so looking at the first thing that came up was actually
funk factory brewing where where they say beer de capage is a
phrase that first shows up in french brewing tax from eighteen hundreds
and is used to describe the process of blending old and young
beer together i believe it says here a blend of young cezanne
and two years spontaneous interesting OK so the google for beer de
capage don't shake it up too much i'm just trying to look
at the label oh stop tilting it oh gosh we don't want
the yeast oh that's got nice aroma to it OK five point
five percent alcohol volume a wild yeast is obviously being used in
this one don't tilt that dude sorry i'm looking i'm reading it
this was brewed march twenty twenty three you just want to stir
up all the funk in the bottom i want this big funk
yeah a blend of a young saison and a two year age
spontaneous beer what is this the among loose suck room i don't
know you got to google too many O 's in that word
spell that out for me A M M O N O O
S U C OK so it's a river in new hampshire yeah
the one that this brewery was on yeah see that's The The Bruery
right there that's what we were right there you recognize that if
this bottle was sitting down there on the shelf with the wine
and everything else i would think that was a bottle of wine
that that bit label pipe right i mean this is not a
pipe in other words this is not the pre this is the
picture of it like you've even seen the picture where's the pipe
and it says under under it in french this is not a
pipe no yeah yeah this smells really this this picture yeah yeah
all right actually i i i always wanted to get this and
i should i keep forgetting to but this wasn't something i want
to hang up on my on my wall because i like the
the artistic expression of the idea which is don't mistake the bat
for the place while this is a picture of a pipe this
is not a pipe so you weren't there OK mister pedantic that's
it i'm going to get some more ipas so we're going to
drink all ipas so the room on this one what have we
got going on there it's kind of like a granity there's did
you say granite yeah like kind of like a granite of stone
dust yeah yeah like a stone dust there's a little bit of
like washed rind cheese aroma like gloomy rind speaking of which greg
i got some jasper hill cheese that i brought back and i
forgot the last time so i get a post show we'll be
bringing out having some cheese cheese actually we'll go really good with
this let me i say bring it out so i think that
wash rind cheese is a really good call especially rind cheese and
is maybe one that has like that's been soaked in in wine
or something like that isn't that what that is well you can
get like salt wash rind when i'm getting those notes but there's
there's something else because there's that that tartness and that sharpness definitely
i mean it it could easily mistake it for a sour like
a a really sour just without tasting it i mean i haven't
tasted no me neither but but for sure there's there's definitely like
there's there's lactobacillus in there there is you know some spontaneously fermented
so there's lots of of good stuff in there there's acetobacter which
is what makes like acetic acid like a vinegar yeah that's what
it's reminding me of what's that his kombucha his kombucha sure that's
the familiar smell there's also kind of a sourdough thing in there
right and i'm going to be sad OK there's a breadiness under
there yeah the yeasty OK there's definitely like a sourdough bread a
really sourdough with a lot of flour you know how sometimes you
get a loaf of bread that has that excessive amount of flour
fresh from the bakery and you hope that flour has been cooked
so it doesn't just taste like just raw flour yeah OK well
i'm going to i'm diving in yeah right yeah so it's not
ridiculously sour there's sour notes there yeah that's just but it's not
like oh my god this is like puckering me up sour no
the sour is is just i mean this is blended right so
there's clearly i bet the what it was blended into was really
sour but then there's a cezanne in here that lightens that up
and gives it more of a a balance a balance and and
that sort of dusty note that cezanne 's can give along with
a little bit of a floral note like this dandelion coming out
to me yeah especially near the end maybe like escarole or something
something with like a bitter green not as too shabby i think
this would i'm definitely looking forward to the cheese that jeff is
cutting because i think this would go really well with the cheese
all right so i'm going to tell you the names of the
cheeses take or open up tabs or whatever opening up tabs you're
welcome jasper hill jasper hill one is harbison H A R B
I S O N tell repeat that again please harbison yep spell
it please H A R H I S O N B I
as in boy yeah harbison harbison gotcha right the second one is
oma oma oma oh my god and the third one 's willoughby
willoughby that reminds me of a oh that's a nice little there's
a could take a picture that's for our discord there's a song
it's reminding me of here let me get some of the videos
in the background your ticket OK i'll take another one that's fine
so we have it i hope that the AI is taking care
of all the weird sounds that are coming out of us all
right with crunchy crunch crunch OK all right so before we have
any of the cheeses jeff give a taste of this beer yeah
all right lavalier reattached the beer de coupage beer de coupage yeah
that's awesome it it it's really well blended yeah because you can
tell it's a big sour in there that's being blended out with
the saison to to even it out and to to make it
less although i'd love to try i mean like i i bet
the the sour is kind of like a a K M F
the encounter of mother funk type craziness yeah now it has it
has kind of that mineraliness and the sour kind of a lactic
sour from the sour and then the saison i think it's providing
a little bit of more body and getting a little bit of
lemoniness from it yeah i think that's it right so this one
is oma this one 's willoughby that is harvison so the yeah
so that the one that is the the least gooey hit the
hardest of them which is not particularly hard is the ola this
is a organic pasteurized cow milk cheese with a rush rind tomei
in the cow like tommy arthur i guess i don't know what
tommy means i don't know the cows are from von trapp oh
The The Bruery the vulgar brewery so not only do they brew they
also brew cows breed brew and breed they brew and breed i
don't know about this i'm not into soft cheeses soft cheeses all
that much you're missing out just a texture i have a problem
with can't do it can't do it i mean you're allowed more
for us yeah so jasper hill is in the same area of
vermont as where hill farmstead is they don't have tours or anything
like that they've been awesome about a cheese making tour put a
turtle on it and i found out about it when i was
looking at the hill farmstead website they're like you know things to
do nearby and they're like jasper hill doesn't have things but if
you go to the general store in town they carry the cheeses
there so after we went to hill farmstead we stopped at the
general store got the cheeses got some coffee anything else i don't
remember so the tamay is savay i'm sure i'm nailing that pronunciation
is it's a natural rind lumpy and brown the textures they have
crushed velvet it's got a little bit of crunch to it i
figured that was just salt crystals for me and give it the
crunch it also has it changes the flavor because it is as
a real earthiness to the rest of it watch it again this
was a this last one is actually wrapped in birch so but
this is OK cheese kraft cheese radio very nutty like like deep
nut like like bigger than walnut like something really nutty i think
walnuts run like i'm not sure what bigger nut is i think
of a brazil nut but they don't really carry much flavor i
think no i mean like deeper nutty flavors you know on top
of that i mean i'm it's a tangy it's cow 's milk
cheese right so there's a a bit of a grassy flavor to
it big tang to it when you bring the rind in you
get more you get more crusty flavors a little bit like a
focaccia so how's it mixing with this villade goubage be honest not
great i think they're they're kind of playing against each other as
opposed to marrying i do get some more multi flavors from this
yes the fatty the fattiness of the cheese is taking away from
the the acidity so the multi your flavors of this will come
out more yeah so we have this beer too so we can
save some cheese to compare with this one which is another blend
of twenty nineteen twenty twenty spontaneous fermented farmhouse sales we're just going
to go from runnier cheese to runnier cheese and i love it
i'm a big fan like this to me is heaven so yeah
so you probably know this i don't know if you know this
but this cheese might just be runnier because it's has more age
on it a lot of these cheeses will start out more firm
and then as they i mean based on based on what i'm
seeing here no like the harvesting is going to be running like
that and the willoughby is less runny but more runny than the
oma the oma doesn't have a eat by date the willoughby says
enjoy by thirtieth of september i mean i mean it's a long
it's a long lifetime you know like it's not a couple weeks
it's and then harvesting is enjoyed by the sixteenth of september i
mean it's soured enough what are you going to what are you
going to do make it more soured like i mean i mean
you can you can get a mold on it right but it's
it's it's like when does yogurt go bad right i mean it's
how how can you i i don't think that the i think
i know that the FDA requires dates on those but i don't
think those dates really tell a whole story if the thing is
covered with fuzz throw it out but if it's not smells like
a dead body throw it out there are some cheeses that will
throw like a dead body yogurt actually yeah i had a situation
did you see adam ragusey about mold no i don't think so
the TLDR is that there's more health effects like for things like
bread where the mycelia can like hard cheeses are different you can
cut the mold off and keep the rest but like bread if
any of it's moldy you shouldn't eat it because the mycelia will
be spread out through it there's in a western diet it's probably
not as important because you'll be getting a variety of molds if
you eat moldy stuff but like in other diets where like rice
mold is a thing and you kind of have this monoculture mold
it actually has real health problems to it stuff it's a good
thing i throw bread away as soon as i see i do
remember reading on it or hearing somewhere it did i i would
have said no before i saw this and i'm like OK now
i have more information i'm able to change my opinion so i
do remember reading somewhere i don't know how true it is that
there are no known bread and molds that are harmful to humans
like that that that are poisonous to humans that's that does not
mean that they won't taste bad or perhaps give you indigestion or
bad things like that but they won't like kill you but another
thing that you know LSD comes from bread mold so some types
of LSD like it's a rye mold i would say you know
try to find that episode of ragusea and see what he says
about it and kind of you know i bet to your base
of knowledge on what's safety and what's not because i was of
the camp of cut off the gross part eat the rest yeah
and if you're only eating some mycelia occasionally it's probably still OK
but there has been studies that show that moldy food has health
complications oh my i i get it because right what you see
is the fruiting body the mold in general right not not the
not the moldy stuff not not the not the actual mold itself
which is like you said the network of mycelia so like inbred
you the whole thing could be colonized and you take off a
couple pieces and you're still eating mold so more nutrition man fungus
is just a part of that's what i would have thought until
i saw this so just just watch it i just ate some
some moldy bread all right let's go back to IPA bill all
right this is the last brewery we stopped at on our trip
we stopped at auburn new york right on the top of one
of the finger lakes this is prison city brewing company and this
is mass riot is is this is this a place called prison
city yeah well there's there's called prison city i guess auburn is
there's a prison or something in auburn i i hear there's trouble
right here in prison city with a capital T and that rhymes
with P and this stands with prison i'm not sure what you're
quoting music man music man my friend oh OK you said this
is mass riot when you drank last night i believe so i
assume that all of their things are sort of or not or
some of at least some of their beers are prison some of
them yeah like like their flagship ipas and stuff prison city i
first made it on my radar this is actually the second time
i've been there when i went out with the ex to omagang
and whatnot these guys had won something prestigious i don't know if
it was like a silver for IPA at gabf or world beer
cup or something but like brand new brewery won a thing went
up there this is a nice brewery but they didn't have the
beer that was maybe it was one of those who's the who's
the big webzine that writes like the fifty best ipas isn't thrillist
it but it was like something paste maybe it was paste yeah
yeah yeah but maybe that's what they were on like they came
in like number two in like the pace competition and so i
went up there didn't have it and then we were driving home
on a monday and things aren't open breweries aren't open on mondays
but this place was we had there was a good lunch bartender
was awesome you're closing your eyes to a situation you do not
wish to fred right here i say trouble right indicated by the
presence of a pool table in your community we have to critique
this you got trouble my friend right here i say trouble right
here in river city why sure i'm a billiard player certainly mighty
proud to say i'm always mighty proud to say a three rail
billiard shot pocket and i call it beer from a bottle and
listening to something out and i call that sloth the free maturity
to score in a box shove a ball in a pocket now
friends let me tell you what i mean pockets and mark between
a gentleman and a and all week long you could be fritter
in a way i say you're young man'll be fritter noon time
time too get the ball and the dandelions countdown top forty with
bob kingsley that was my that was my T like my childhood
road trip hell yours was musicals right musicals and oldies lots and
lots of oldies god and the thing is i hate oldies and
i hated musicals at the time now i kind of love musicals
especially clever ones but the oldies are just the worst i can't
stand them these like because it's just and and my parents would
listen to the beatles but they would listen to all the old
beatles love love me do right i want to hold your hand
my mom was the same way she listened to the pittsburgh oldies
station and i always wondered i have an answer to this now
but i always wondered why don't bands why aren't there bands that
make new oldies you know like that version of music either motown
or well there no there are bands that do that but they're
not popular but they're not the tour and stuff that's the thing
oldies and now that i am old and i see all the
bands when i was like a young teenager doing like guns and
roses coming to pittsburgh here in a little bit right i have
no interest in nineteen ninety one i wanted to go to their
usual illusion concert tour so bad my mom wouldn't let me and
i was so mad at her and now they're coming and i
could go and like i don't want to see axel rose and
sixty years old bruce springsteen 's coming too i'd probably so good
springsteen 's great y'all can go together have fun i'll find out
but i'll take a little bit of that bruce springsteen 's i'd
be happy to listen to some bruce springsteen 's songs i wouldn't
say like i'm not like i wouldn't be there for a concert
but i'm not a concert guy anyway so i wouldn't even work
at that concert yeah i have no interest in going to see
i can't stand guns and roses i mean we went to see
metallica last year about you know we got to go get the
you know in a luxury box and whatnot you know the tickets
are complimentary but well and we saw greta van fleet that was
i was really excited to see greta van fleet who there nope
they're a nubian they have this very led zeppelin sound they actually
get criticism for like mimicking led zeppelin too much you know that
kind of thing so i really like their album stuff like criticizing
a a a sitcom for mimicking cheers right it's like you mimic
what works yeah so i love listening to album and you know
spotify of grand a van fleet they open for metallica at PNC
park and i don't know if it was it just wasn't good
like i don't know it was because we were in the luxury
box and the sound wasn't getting to us right or if the
sound was wrong or if they're just not good live i don't
know but it was not good well that can happen it's disappointing
but the concert was good anyway i mean it was fun to
see metallica metallica metallica metallica the thing was there was a whole
song when they play you know do you know metallica much i
i know enough i don't know one of course yeah yeah yeah
yeah the song one was a music video they weren't on stage
for three quarters of the song it reminds me of i remember
i i was at i was i was watching with damien like
ten fifteen years ago we were watching eminem did like a H
B O thing it was like one of his concerts and he
would come out and do like two verses and then there 'd
be a little thing and then they go and i was like
this is like eminem the stage play not an eminem concert it
was real weird and i was like i don't know if i
went to a concert if i'd want to see that i think
that i'd want to just see the songs being performed not like
not a not a version of it yeah that i i do
think that metallica brings it at a much heavier level than guns
and roses does today so sure metallica 's still together and guns
and roses put together for this tour i guess i mean OK
slash and axel are back to i'm not sure if izzy or
duff or whoever else speaking of tours we really missed out on
a concert when we were in vermont we just sat on a
couple consoles we could have seen cake and we decided not to
yeah but i think you didn't miss anything i feel like that's
one of those bands that like i think there are a lot
of bands for the nineties where like the songs are OK but
do you really like do you really need to go back and
or watch blind melon in concert well i like cake i barely
like blind melon i like cake a lot so we were at
bissell brothers brewing in portland and it's right next to this concert
venue and when we drive in there's already the people for directing
cars to the concert and like the concert is it and it's
like it's cake but the tickets would have been like aftermarket tickets
so they were paying like eighty five bucks a piece you know
for lawn seats kind of thing and we were spending so much
money on the trip and we're like you know we don't need
the nah we'll buy more beer we don't need to work a
concert into it i would like to see reddit but lady gaga
with the opener being the goo goo dolls i just think that
goo goo gaga is gaga would be a very cool no but
the concert that i'm talking about was the one that was going
on in vermont her new favorite my musical soulmate is noah khan
so he's this new up and coming artist he's kind of folksy
kind of like the lumineers he's not up and coming i mean
he's he's hit it he's so he's just peaked OK but he
recently was an up and comer and we were at we were
in burlington at some of the coat yeah we were at foam
brewers had a beer from them last year which interestingly enough he
did a collab a collab with them and they released the beer
two days prior and sold out just before we got there that
day but we didn't know that anyway he he's from burlington well
he's from a small town just outside of burlington yeah you can
tell the story no no no i i just didn't want he
did he did three sold out nights at the amphitheater we looked
to see she she wasn't in love with the guy at the
time knew the name we looked to see how much i knew
i knew some of the songs home now he's a hall pass
yeah tickets though on stubhub were stupid like twelve hundred dollars like
basically like i would do it too like if some idiot wants
to pay twelve hundred dollars for my tickets they can have them
you know it was kind of the things that were for sale
you know but it it was really interesting so that night we
decided to walk down to lake champlain and watch the sunset and
we parked at this little park right you know half a block
from the from the lake and get out of the car and
we could hear the concert from across the lake and concert yeah
down the bay it was like down the bay and i could
hear him clear as day but i didn't know what song it
was that he was singing and after we got back from our
trip i was playing some of his music and the song northern
attitude came on and instantly i was like that's the song that
we heard as clear as day when we were walking over to
watch the sunset of course once we got to the lake the
water was crashing and and you know you couldn't really hear it
it was very distorted but but now you have that song to
associate you with that memories that's really oh yeah and i mean
all of his music is written about his life there living in
in new england states and oh my god the red sox long
so he's he's my new he's my music soul mate jeff says
well i mean my musical song your your spotify rewind was going
to be all lumineers now it's going to be lumineers and no
it's going to be a good combination of the two yes and
we did we have tickets to see lumineers before covid no OK
just before covid he was touring with the lumineers and their their
tour was cancelled when the pandemic hit so those two were actually
together so it makes sense why i like both bands so much
you know but we haven't talked about the mass riot at all
and it's almost gone so but you're drinking it already it's been
like twenty minutes got me talking it's got a little lemongrassy thing
going on there it's very soft very round in the flavor it
has a mix of kind of soft melanie tropical guava really drinkable
one yeah nice and drinkable the the artist that i kind of
recently fell in love with even though she's not new but she's
new you know to me courtney barnett is is really great i
have a little bit of rotation yeah this guy when we went
to see the sunset you'd probably appreciate this when we went to
see the sunset in burlington at the park there was the burlington
earth clock and it was stone monoliths kind of like stonehenge so
they had stones it was a combination of sundial and seasonal thing
right so it had stones for compass points north southeast and west
headstones for the summer solstice and the winter solstice and the equinox
our guest the equinox is east or west in this case because
it was on the sunset side and then it had sundial markers
or if you stood in the middle based on the month where
your shadow went to tell you what time it was it was
really cool that's neat so we were going there for sunset and
we were supposed to have like twenty minutes or so to spare
but there was clouds shadow was showing me pictures there was clouds
on the horizon which was dense and basically that was the horizon
at that point so we were like twenty minutes short so like
it's it's starting to like set behind the clouds and like i'm
running to this to this clock so i get a picture of
it between the rocks and i got like one picture before it
dipped below the clouds oh well it was a cool picture it's
still a cool picture but if the sky was didn't have clouds
out on the horizon you know i would have had another fifteen
minutes to take lots of pictures and get the perfect sunset thing
but got one shot of a decent better than decent sunset at
the burlington earth clock the burlington earth clock all right what's next
mass riot was decent but kind of unremarkable good drinker though yes
it's one of those beers where if you're having it on the
couch watching TV or really shooting this shit really good beer yeah
it's it's hard to be poetic about this beer i even had
a we both had a taste of cheese i had a taste
of the willoughby there which is wash rind pillow milk and it
kind of tasted very very similar to the oma and a very
similar doesn't have that crunchy salt part and it's a little runnier
but yeah it is similar all right let's do the oxbow this
will be the first thought we bought a ton of oxbow so
this won't be and they're all soury things but it won't be
the last oxbow that you have greg what's the name of the
beer this is native wild and there's probably more of those this
is the twenty nineteen twenty twenty version do you want the last
slip of that yeah native slash wild sure that's what it's that's
how it is i'm sorry native wild it's how it's presented on
the website native slash wild this is weird there's beer on top
of the cork so oh that's not there's a cat rate sign
there's a cat i should probably pour that beer out yes definitely
there's a spelled bucket right it was just like a couple of
drips of beer but probably best oh the cork is so soft
and supple it was upside down for a long time so this
is a spontaneously fermented parmesan brew with main grains aged tops and
well water well well water well there was a well there's a
nice there's a real pop yeah look at that that's so weird
portland i wonder if they put water there just to make to
give i wonder if they yeah i wonder if they put something
on top of the cork when they tap it just to give
it that that that extra i bet they do oxygen the extra
thing to make so we have to open a second ox boat
tonight you find out so this is this is barrel aged it's
barrel fermented and spontaneous six percent outgo by volume native micro flora
and wild east inoculate the cooling work overnight in a traditional cool
ship at our rural farmhouse brewery well shucks this this is something
that i'm really really excited about oh yeah i love a farmhouse
good love a good farmhouse nice green bottle this is actually as
you said the twenty nineteen twenty twenty blend it was bottled january
twenty twenty one and the production time to say has this effervescent
you know when you smell like a soda like a lemon soda
how like the the carbonation burns your nose i get some of
that on this where i get that kind of that lemon effervescence
was a deep molassesy thing leather leather leather yeah lemon i definitely
the the you're right lemon have a essence there's a forest floor
or something like that or like cattails yeah something earthy something a
little dirty little mushroomy root beer i think it's the leather that's
you smell really coming i mean i get the leather point but
i also think there's there's other things there too yeah there's a
hundred things oh definitely definitely but just add it to the pile
do do you smell like root beer no i'm trying so root
beer is what is that sassafras yeah like sassafras mostly and i
feel like there's a bit of that there yeah name what do
i smell what do you smell have you ever bought a pull
raft that was in a box and opened up the box that's
usually a bad bad thing for well that's what i'm smelling yeah
i'm not smelling we've used that descriptor before but never in a
good way yeah usually that kind of aroma the plasticky thing can
i spell yours yeah so am i let's blend there there's a
there's a bit of newness there right so i i see where
you're getting that from on that but i it's not strong but
it's there but i i don't think it's strong so i don't
think it's a problem but yeah if he if he gets on
this rubbery band AD that's normally a very bad sign no we've
totally had the changing it we've totally had full raft before and
so you're not wrong when you smell it but hopefully no last
time last time we blended out a bad flavor we ruined everyone
's beer so that changed but there is you know more beer
here left so but still it's here's OK since we're doing this
so am i and look for root beer oh yeah it's stronger
on yours it's about jeff 's it's not fair why is everyone
's beard different it's not fair OK see i love those root
beer barrel candies and i have a package of them upstairs at
my desk and i literally ate two of them today but that's
like a tandy yeah but it's still that root i mean i
love root beer i like root beer beer i love root beer
anything i cannot pull i don't know where i think when we
when we say root beer we're thinking more sassafras sassafras pea or
something like that so i went on any orange blossom now OK
flavor be ready it's an acidic one it's tangy it's tart it's
big oh it makes you pucker it makes every part of your
body pucker it has kind of that the stoniness that mineraliness it
has a lot of us sitting at that limit it's got the
thing where it it it hits the edge of your tongue it
makes you feel almost thirsty it has it has it has the
horse reins you know dried out leather in a barn with some
yeast on it it has this is where i think the cheese
would be great because it will cut the acidity away and it'll
be able to taste more do you want to try the willoughby
no no no that cheese is way too soft and runny for
me it's still a sith it's still acidic through all that it's
really it's cutting the cheese away it does it washes that fat
the creaminess juice is almost like can't stand up to it now
i actually really like this but it's it's a lot the the
if anybody gets it just be prepared because that first sip is
going to knock you it's close to like a hoosa my very
first sip was kind of sweet tarts yeah which kind of like
but i so people who know like my my flavor wheel that
i use i usually save sweet tarts for flanders reds and things
like that my first sip for this one i'm not maintaining it
i'm just kind of giving you the progression of flavors i did
taste kind of like lemon sweet tarts and then that second sip
is where i got the delicious stone dust leather rustic you know
dried wood there's a lot of complexity on here even though it's
very acidic there's a lot of brightness here there's strawberry like a
really tart strawberry OK yeah definitely oxbow so yeah wasn't going to
go to oxbow was top posting that we were at bellflower and
there was this place we went to greg called we didn't bring
anything home from them but it was called i think it's called
fermentata or they fermentata they mostly didn't do beer they did kombucha
kaiju it was fantastic what else did they have god i can't
even remember all these but basically all the all the the fermentation
stuff that is not beer they did it was wild really good
place we're trying to pull flavors out of here i think there's
some ginger in here i can kind of see where if you
think of like lemon ginger kombucha yes this lines up with that
right so like you're on it's almost well greg 's on to
something or you're on to me it's not gingery but it's like
in the mood of lemon ginger kombucha or is it just apple
cider vinegar no no it's way more no i'm not saying just
you don't say just though i did say i don't we can
pull out the apple cider junior group if you want to see
how harsh that is compared to this i know i mean it's
acidic but it's just saying it's like just apple cider no i
didn't mean OK i'm sorry i should never have said the word
just didn't mean that the nice thing about it is is i
guess i'll have sourness without having any like pithy notes or rindy
notes there the leather keeps coming back for me at least in
my glass that's that oh yeah no it's definitely there it's it's
an undertone that also makes it so it's not just pure sourness
leatherwood yeah but that's that's green that's my anchor point to like
you know because i want that rustic i want that level of
rustic in my blends in my sour saison thingies oh yeah this
one brings it like most don't that's the foundation that the rest
of it rests upon and if that wasn't there it would be
very unbalanced let's go into the runny cheese this all run together
so the the runny version so we just had we have the
willoughby which is the semi runny and this is the harbison which
is the very very runny this is like i just had bark
wrapped all right oh my god that's so good that has more
character than the other ones for sure it's got it's not as
sour and sticky shannon if you think you can try it nope
nope but no it's boom that's so good that's really delicious but
i don't more have the words for for cheese as much as
i do for beers yeah it's more subtle it doesn't have any
of that really funk to it it's more creamy i mean there's
probably a little funk in there but like compared to the last
two it's clean oh there's definitely funk there but yeah it's got
it's got notes of the sour cream of creme fresh and stuff
like that it's it's really tasty you know and and the fattiness
goes a long way there's a tang that's not sour there's yeah
almost like something from creme fresh or something like that right where
you're getting that kind of like tanginess but it's clean it's not
really lemony it's a little bit of like a maybe like a
parsnippy note something some root vegetable type thing but like a roasted
version of that and there's a little bit of like there's so
many things are there they're just distinctly cheese there is that are
let me throw this at you maybe you let me with the
roasted parsnips i started thinking thanksgiving but like i'm like there's a
little bit of like dressing like you know bread like stuffing dressing
you know like maybe it's the onions maybe it's the the seasonings
that are in it there's definitely some yes sweet onion me thing
like if you ever made like a sweet onion relish that comes
through there yeah so like the sulfur you know is really covered
up so good it is really tasting if you think you can
try i can't i mean it's basically just transformed grass but it's
not it's not funky and weird it is sweet and yummy no
well if he had a cracker and put that on it no
i love her anyway bless your heart i can't wait to drink
i can't wait to drink the rest of this oxbow in the
post show that's so damn good all right what's what's our last
fear of the night our last fear of the night which i
thought we already did no all right all right all right all
right so when we were our airbnb for portland was in gorham
yes gorham and this is the sebago brewing company barley wine just
a it's a it's a kind of in a shopping area brew
pub didn't have huge expectations for them but it was super close
to the the airbnb their food was good their beers are pretty
good but this barley wine all right so we're ending on a
on a multi high alcohol note twelve point nine percent alcohol by
volume oh yeah it's so much for your sobriety it's only a
twelve ounce can yeah yeah i know i'm just joking got centennial
cascade and columbus hop very classic i didn't think you'd give that
to me barley there's more that's the only reason i'm being nice
i was i figured she would be like no MUI was grabbing
for a glass to drink it and she gave it to me
and she loves me all right well while you're doing that i'll
read out the green bill on here two row malt crystal malt
maris otter maris otter one of my favorite malt oh OK this
is that's what's used in ES BS it's it's got this very
bready bready but with caramel notes type thing bread pudding well i
yeah bread pudding roasted barley wheat malt special B special B and
main pale malt yeah so shannon posted a picture of this beer
in this can on sobago 's oh i did well i did
a review a google review but like how much you got like
you got viral i was yeah it was a ridiculous amount of
views within twenty four hours i got a notification from google yeah
it's different so we had this barley wine there and we had
it out of the can so hopefully this one is the same
it pours with no head it pours very dark brown beautiful beautiful
the aroma it's equal parts it's it's really different so it really
it really hits you strong compared to the flight that we've had
it's equal for me it's like equal parts bread pudding and barrel
and and the bit of campfire OK oh like like burnt marshmallow
i was going to say toffee yeah toffee there's a little bit
of like caramel swirl vanilla ice cream in the aroma oh that's
a good call yeah molasses definitely the aroma brings it on it
oh boy this smells fantastic this is the twenty twenty two this
is this is the best smell of the night oh for sure
made main my heart it's still there it's brewed for times like
these that's what it says right there brewed for times like these
that's a that's a weird slogan because how like i'm sure it's
brewed all the time i don't know i mean but i've been
really missing maine today so there totally is like a s'more thing
going on there with the kind of toasted marshmallow graham crack oh
yeah vanilla caramel just campfire in general there's just a it's like
a candy bar and and this beer is not your crazy milkshake
vanilla ice cream no this is barley wine this is american barley
wine maybe english barley wine thrown in a burden barrel not only
that this has been like sitting out for like an hour and
a half at least right so it's at a really good temperature
oh it smells so good it's one of those beers where it's
like just sniff sniff sniff air freshener it oh my god that
tastes good too dark dark chocolate almost like a chocolate liqueur yes
yeah with with a with a bit of both a chocolate you're
familiar with and a chocolate that's bitter without going too far in
either direction then the barrel comes through you know like right now
we're all going yeah and the oakiness we're all going to punch
the barrel right now now do any of you taste hold on
let me do before i ask a question let me take another
sip do either of you taste a hint of raspberry in that
just a really really subtle hint only in the anticipatory thing of
like this would be great with rasp with raspberries maybe that's what
it is that i'm thinking because i dark chocolate raspberry in the
sense i can taste the whole that a raspberry would fill as
opposed to an actual raspberry OK what i do taste is is
is like a bitter chocolate like like an oreo without the cream
oh i think it's much more bitter than that i think it's
a much darker chocolate i know it is but i think there's
a straight up oreo wafers are pretty bitter they don't have much
sweetness to them that you have to have the cream well maybe
i haven't had a straight up they're not popular in other countries
because the crackers are too to like better not speed we have
so like things like stuff that gives us so much more cream
yeah so much like hydrox are way popular elsewhere because the the
crackers have more so is this the last can that we have
hydrox game before one more we do oh that's unfortunate why is
it unfortunate you better share it with me because i need an
excuse to go back next week buy some more the news story
that you pointed out that we haven't talked about is anheuser busch
selling selling shock top and blue point to to a cannabis company
they sold a bunch of brands they sold where is it i'm
sorry i i just want to continue talking about this beer for
a minute sure good the toffee mm hmm mm hmm yeah there's
a the more it warms up the the more the flavor changes
it just it it just there's a real teeth parsing like i
think that one of the big problems that i tend to have
with barley wine is they're too sweet this is not too sweet
no and i think that's because isn't this is a barrel aged
so i think that that's why i mean you that barrel aged
keeps it from it's it's possible although i've had other barley other
barrel barrel aged barley wines before that have not been this you
know edged towards bitter which i think makes it more balanced some
people may disagree but i think that this makes it much more
drinkable and much more like you said toffee and sort of the
candy mar notes and and the bitterness helps to make it so
you don't get this lingering sweetness right so they sold shock top
breckenridge blue point ten barrel red hook Widmer Brothers square mile cider company
and highball energy wow so basically i mean they didn't sell goose
island didn't sell four points or six point six point no four
points the one in arizona yeah OK yeah i forgot about them
so yeah they they dumped all i saw the greatest snarky comment
it's like anheuser busch is able to do what none of those
sales reps could do sell shock top did you notice that small
batch is that what you're pointing to what about it small everything
's a small batch i mean it's not like they're not making
a million barrels at a time so yeah small batch is kind
of more marketing speaking i mean the label the small batch when
it comes to bourbon sure that yes i mean this isn't their
flagship this isn't their brown ale this isn't their IPA this is
their barley wine they brew it once or twice a year but
i'm sure that this this thing everything counts as a small batch
anytime you talk about a bourbon barrel aged barley wine that we're
losing over like this is a small badge so i didn't know
the label is great the label is very classic it has like
the wheat things you know like the the script for the wheat
thing it's it's it's it's not crazy schizophrenic twenty twenty craft beer
beer labels but if you want a sound that represents the flavor
it was probably something like this the new part of the show
i think is like since it's a podcast you know like the
only sense the listener gets is sound we have to find songs
that best represent the beers that sounds like a hard to ask
i know i'm really setting us up for failure here yeah i
love the ID it's also especially hard to do on the fly
on the fly yeah i just happen to have a sound that
matches it but it it is it's got that sexy velvety look
your google thing how many hits do you have it was like
thousands of views right there's yeah trying to pull it up right
now your watch face greg has much stuff on it what is
all on your watch i noticed that earlier this is carrot this
is my new weather app and it's great carrot 's great because
dark sky has been absorbing the apple and so i used carrot
now i didn't know whether apps had watch faces they did has
a couple of watch faces has this one it has that one
it has OK this one a co worker of mine asked me
about dark skies for the perseids last weekend and it was a
rain out so it turned out to be nothing but i and
showed him you know a dark sky map and whatnot and i
mentioned the time we went up to meadville yeah and that was
such a cool experience i think we were just talking about while
we're drinking this beer right is greg and i wanted to go
watch the perseids so he came up to my house in cranberry
at eleven o'clock at night or something like that and the best
time to watch meteor showers is after midnight because the sky above
your head is in the space like the new space like it's
it's the the bumper of the car of of the planet so
like before midnight you don't get a ton of stuff we got
up there i don't know what time we got up there but
it was eleven thirty midnight something like that and you were driving
i was in the passenger seat and the way we did it
was we had a an overlay of white pollution map and google
maps and the overlay back then wasn't nearly as good as they
are now the one the one i looked at last week was
way better than the one back then and what i did was
i found this like little dark corner out by meadville that was
like farm fields so we i knew we could just pull off
on the side of the road so we did exactly that we
found this road through two cornfields pulled off on the side of
the road and like OK we're here and i was under the
impression like i'm still going to need some time for my eyes
to adjust i step out of the passenger 's seat i look
up and there's just this purple wash across the sky the milky
way was fucking blazing at me like and my eyes weren't even
adjusting yet and so we set up some chairs and we were
looking up at the sky and we started to see some meteors
it was really good we probably saw thirty forty an hour something
like that yeah and but at one thirty it got foggy not
just cloudy foggy and that was the end of it so but
yeah i was like it was also it was great time because
the moon and it was a new moon yeah so like the
moon is going to wash out so much of that because you
know i mean meteors are basically pieces of dust a little more
than you know cigarette smoke out there but just as hitting the
atmosphere very fast when shannon and i were up in acadia there's
some really like sheltered parts of the park and astronomy and stargazing
and the parks open twenty four hours a day so you're allowed
to go in at night and so we were looking at the
schedule like the the dark sky clear sky forecast kind of thing
and really it was like just one day that we had an
opportunity to do it and had a couple options of where to
go and we decided to go on the rocks on the ocean
some people might know this landmark but by thunder hole i don't
expect you to know but someone might get it so and but
it was a little hazy still you know like you could tell
where the milky way was but you couldn't appreciate the milky way
and then we we saw a few shooting stars saw some satellites
it was really cold it got really cold and we didn't have
like sleeping bags or anything like that and then it seemed like
it was getting more hazy and we weren't seeing as much stuff
when we built so it does bring your mind two times one
time probably about twelve years ago when my first times went out
to cape cod there was a meteor shower was happening and i
went out with my brother in law 's sister at like two
AM and we went to the beach and saw some meteor it
wasn't great we saw some then there was the time when the
first time i went to the grand canyon and i happened to
notice as i was like sort of walking out after i'd like
cool is the grand canyon it's great this thing saying grand canyon
is some of the darkest skies in in the united states because
of the blah blah blah it's like OK cool so i came
back around like one AM and it was dark and it was
the first time that i understood what the milky way meant because
you not only saw it but it looked like someone had spilled
some milk on some velvet and it was just so there was
it was like a stain of like stuff in this band i
was like wow that's awesome that time up in meadville is the
only time i've appreciated the milk i was hoping we're up in
maine we get it but the the dark skies up there like
do you look at the overlay it's good you're just too easy
to get it yeah and the ground light was super good where
we were couldn't see any kind of halogen light or anything like
that the only thing we would see was the roads so cars
who were driving like it's those headlights were hitting us but yeah
like there's also night now that all the weather apps have cloud
cover too so you can use that to see if there is
you know any when we when we did that there didn't have
any of that information you want to do some rankings sure we
got to do rankings and i got to do marry fuck kills
rankins rankins so i was trying to think you know we totally
stole mary fuck kill from what the bearers do they they do
try buy or die which is basically mary fuck kill yeah i
know but i i do not want anyone to think that we're
clever we totally stole this from the bearests john rubio gets all
the props for mary fuck kill or whoever on the bearest team
decided to do that note i'll get john the credit all right
whoever 's going first needs to take a picture of their order
yeah that makes it a lot easier for me to post this
show oh my goodness so last place is going to be hard
because this was a pretty damn good show it's going to be
one of the ipas i guess while you're dealing let's listen to
your parents are caught with a sister nasty on a saturday night
you got lots of trouble i'm thinking in the pool hall window
after school you got trouble folks right here in river city trouble
with a capital T and that rhymes with P and that stands
for pool now i know all you folks are the right slap
i mean shannon 's the only one taking notes well that was
more for myself because it was my flavor profile my liking so
but hopefully i can crib off your notes to get some ideas
you sure can absolutely i mean you know i didn't write a
lot but all right i got my rankings and then my caveat
here is that we going from first to last or last to
first i kind of built suspense last to first always but the
prison city mass riots going to be my last place last place
beer and it it falls into that total category of hard luck
loser tonight's show was amazing super delicious so mass riot and definitive
were very similar beers hazy IPS with lots of tropical flavors guava
leading melanie stuff like that i think i liked the definitive better
so i'm going to put the mass riots at the end of
the lineup then comes bellflower brewing farmhouse ale delicious beer again it's
also hard luck loser i dare say because the rest of the
lineup was so strong i liked how it had that kind of
lemony lemongrass flavor to it it wasn't quite as dry as i
had hoped it would be i think that's part of it and
now a little more funk little more dryness then in whatever place
this is one two three four five fifth place is definitive stainless
oasis this guy had that tropic that i really liked for the
hazy ipas top of notch right but it's competing against the rest
of the beers which aren't hazy ipas and so it gets knocked
down but i really enjoyed that i'm going to put the rye
IPA four from twin barn in fourth place the this gets the
win because it was different you know it gets its it gets
the win of the ipas because it was different i'm going back
out there's a dog lying in the room caught there so laying
in the room on lincoln you go see what she's like dory
it's a little pitbull tore us here and found the injured dog
on the road so she's going to rescue it and now she'll
have another car right there so she'll have a new dog oh
gosh now be careful fourth anniversary from twin barn this guy wins
the IPA race tonight because it was different i really liked how
the rye played it was dryer it was almost loggery in the
malt bill and the way the malt was presented it was almost
loggery and then the hop with i think it was kind of
a melanie hop the new zealand hop yeah came across melanie i
really like that so that wins the hoppy battle tonight and then
in third place i'm going to put the beer de capage that
guy was yummy but we had two top notches beers before now
the top two really a struggle but it's more of like access
to me i've had other barrel aged barley wines that have been
delicious so i'm going to put the sebago in the second place
super duper good everything about it but because it's hard to find
a beer like native wild from oxbow brewing where it brings that
leather and that granite and everything it it it it's king tonight
all right let me get a picture of that give me your
phone so i can take a picture because my phone 's on
the charger of course you and your problems with batteries all right
who's next janet me yeah all right well fortunately for the folks
listening i have mine numbered and ready to go so i shouldn't
even be able to do this relatively i just do it lively
well no i mean i rate them but then i have to
like look at yeah you'd have to look at my i don't
understand anyway so calculus in there and we have terrific equations do
i no i'm not that smart don't give me that much credit
not that smart just about learning a process believe me there are
idiots who know calculus people who are really stupid and people are
really smart who don't know calculus at all four three that time
of the night were great so far here we go so jeff
yes dear apparently i married you for a reason OK great mind
thing great minds great minds think alike i am back in my
past you know it's it's really unfortunate because we had this really
great selection of beers to choose from tonight so fortunate i mean
it's fortunate but it's unfortunate that someone has to be ranked last
yeah exactly that's that's what i'm trying to say so in last
place but still really good i have to agree with jeff and
and the prison prison city mass riot is going to fall last
apparently that's where our agreement ends though because i'm not sure which
one you chose next but my sixth place was we had seven
would be the twin barns golden rye IPA did you choose that
one that was my winner but i don't know OK all right
it just it didn't do it for me it you know it
it was it just didn't bring a lot of flavor yeah i
think for me i elevated it because it was different no it
was different everyone has their own scale but you don't have to
use anybody anybody else 's scale to measure it's whatever you think
is best for whatever reason you think is best that's totally contrived
it didn't yeah for me it just didn't get i'm sorry we
didn't go over before i before we continue your marry fuck kills
jeff oh i thought we'd do that after though OK then all
right that's fine go ahead sorry i didn't want to interrupt i
i but i did so i apologize and shannon continue please that's
fine let's see number five i'm going to have to it hurts
i mean this really hurts for me to rate these because every
single one of these i really enjoy enjoy there wasn't a sticker
in the run there there really wasn't so it's it's it's very
difficult and it's very difficult for me to to say this but
i'm going to have to go with the bellflower now i can't
talk farmhouse ale i love it i mean i'd i really like
that that barn wheat grainy it was light it it was sweet
but it was a really subtle sweetness and i i really liked
it but unfortunately it's all right it's competing to get some really
tough ones so that's five number four definitive which again really hard
for me to say that because i really loved how smooth it
was it was bursting with flavor i love that it has a
handicap against the top three though it really does it does it's
an I P A I love ipas but i apparently you know
when it's up against some of these others and also think about
the price point this was like a four dollar or five dollar
beer this was a eighteen dollar beer yeah you mentioned which ones
you're pointing to yeah yeah well we have to wait the cans
or the IPA cans you know are in the forage and then
the green bottles are like the sixteen eighteen twenty dollar bottles so
so anyway so i really i really do love definitive i i
had a number of their beers while we were there and have
had this one i had this one on tap i've had this
one here at home my hand slapped for drinking it it's really
enjoyable but you know it's up against some really hard ones so
anyways next on the list number three i'm going to have to
go with them i'm going to slaughter the name that's fine slaughter
it slaughter it do it i'm very out of date go page
nail it you said it more eastern your it was a eastern
european eastern european saying your french beer name OK from what is
that schilling beer company yeah i like that really liked it i
don't know what to say about it i really liked how that
really sourness was complemented and and kind of just mixed really well
with that stays on that just kind of balanced everything so you
had that tartness but it wasn't i mean it it was there
but it was just balanced out really nicely so i really i
really enjoyed that bursting with different flavors too and then number two
this is so hard so hard for me i'm wearing this shirt
it's weird you don't you need to disconnect from the emotional wart
of this it's not going to feel bad about it it's the
the oxbow native wild hats just kill it pour it out if
you rated second freaking awesome i mean it is it i can't
say enough about how fabulous it is yeah and it it's they
didn't have anything like that on tap when we were there execute
order this is one of the beers sixty six that we you
know just shopped we bought at least a case of ox buzz
and yeah so it's so fulfilling gratifying like that didn't waste money
that like that that it delivers that we didn't waste money yeah
no for sure the beers that we had on tap though were
really really shopping for to go beers at oxbow was crazy it
probably had fifty different things you picked a good one there's more
downstairs so looking forward to it when we do a next show
right now first place i have to go with the barley wine
from cibago i mean it just really nails it i love so
as my taste buds have evolved over the years short years i've
realized that i really like these these barley wines i mean they
barley wine there's a few others too but barley wines are i
love that barrel that bourbon barrel one one thing that we didn't
specify clearly is this is straight up in english style barley wine
versus an american i don't know the difference american will probably once
will have more hop to them and i don't like them i
wouldn't want that either if you get us here in about a
big fine hoppy barley wines and i mean i haven't had a
lot of barley wines recently but i haven't tasted a lot of
recently hoppy barley wines i don't so i don't know whether that
that still accounts for things i think that there is but having
something that is unabashedly english style with a marisota and everything that
that's true it's a huge bonus in my opinion and probably yeah
definitely definitely so that has to be number one for me i
guess i need to take a picture snappy snap snappy snap snappy
snap all right you lower my volume no i get the problem
where sometimes i just lose the audio you lose you lose your
old USB i got i got hold of it sorry i got
it you already know he knows i know i know i know
i can guarantee you all the ipas are at the bottom of
the list no no not all not all he's struggling OK so
what i'm going by my metric for this is remarkability what am
i remembering this was a very good show i really enjoyed it
i enjoyed the conversation we had i enjoyed the beers we had
the cheese don't forget the cheese we had not for me but
for you what do i remember and this is the order by
which at least at the back end definitely how i remember things
and at the front end i think what i will remember anyway
we talked over the mass ryan it was completely unremarkable it was
really good drinker it was tasty and we just went right through
it and that is both a good sign if you want something
that's a good drinker and it's going to be you know it's
not going to bother you can drink it while you're watching stuff
that's that's great but it didn't stink it didn't it you know
it didn't but didn't really illicit conversation pull you out of the
stream of conversation right and definitive is like right next to it
for me and so is bellflower like i'm only putting bellflower in
the front because and you call it's not it's not hazy but
i don't remember much about bellflower i really don't those three are
just they're they're not ringing any bells i i was looking at
the your your list and i was like yeah i guess that's
true but i didn't remember what was happening here and then the
the front four i remember them they're distinctive to me the the
four is in my in right in the middle in fourth place
it is a it's got that it's got that tingle of wryness
that made it something to remark upon that the other stuff didn't
seem to have then the bearded cupage which i agree with you
shannon there was there was just so well balanced and the the
it's just the way that that was you cut this obviously really
crazy wild with this saison to make it slim it's very drinkable
at the same time you get a lot of really cool flavors
and you get a lot of evolving stuff going on the native
wild was probably the best beer of the night i think that
that this is the one that is it's got so much going
on it's it's so so much to talk about so much to
to dig into but the tsipago was i'm going to remember that
toffee do you have any left no i have none left that's
unfortunate yeah look at you nurse savering so yeah like the serbago
was just i was oh no no it's OK i don't want
to i don't want to even even taint my memory i i
i just i really really enjoyed the hell out of it and
like it's the thing that on my mind oh oh could you
bring up some of the cheese there bring up the the the
the gooeyest one the gooey gooey the gooeyest one i mean such
a knife this is the the harbison the harbison goes in in
third place oh so we're ranking them too huh i mean i
am OK you don't have to no so good you don't want
me to but but the harbison to me was good enough to
go in third place of of of this ranking so i'm going
to take a picture of these guys let me make them yeah
make it gets so i can visible all of the all the
guys and take a picture all right it's a it's marry fuck
kill time jeff all right kill 's going to be hard kill
's going to be hard can't kill i can't kill to marry
the oxbow it's the rules it's the rules i'm going to fuck
if you know you're disqualified fuck you it's like i don't even
know how to do this i'm going to marry the oxbow i
have been a no i'm going to need to marry the bearded
taj and a fuck the oxbow then i'm going to kill the
the bellflower OK don't try to make sense of it don't it's
like it's like don't apologize to alexa don't give these beers a
personality don't don't make them don't think of them as people they're
just products right is it my turn it is your turn i
have to marry and fuck and kill and kill yes do it
do it fine fine it figure it out so if i'm married
that's that's the one that i'm i'm drinking all day every day
all day and suck with it for life fuck hold on i
got to look at my notes again which one do i want
to thank all day every day for the rest of my life
for all the days you sell those and if you don't abide
by that then you're going to have to pay a lot of
tax you're going to pay a lot of money so that means
that after i finish doing my lawnmark that's the one that i'm
going to go to right i have a rough day at work
that's the one i'm picking up and i'm going to drink that's
going to be my go to i mean the one i'm married
that's what you wanted to feel i mean no i'm asking like
when you say mary that's the one that's my go to OK
is that what you're saying that's is that you know necessarily be
how i look at it but if that's how you want to
look at it no i'm asking like well i don't want i
don't want you to take my interpretation of it i want you
to have your own my interpretation of mary fuck fuck and kill
OK mary is going to be the go to mary 's going
to be the one that's always going to be in the fridge
that i'm going to go to all right it's going to be
tough i'm going to if i'm marrying one if i'm marrying one
it's going to be an IPA all right and it's going to
be a definitive OK all right it's your definitive choice that's my
definitive choice the one i'm going to fuck gosh that's so hard
can i have two i'm gonna look like your side piece yeah
yeah your guma i'm gonna fuck the oxbow all right yeah threesome
you'll be in the oxbow yep yep yep and i'm going to
kill kill i'm gonna shank them in the prison i'm gonna kill
the prison the mass riot in the prison which is unfortunate because
i really like this one too yeah well i mean contrived games
have hard luck so yeah gregory OK marry five kill let's go
to kill his first three were completely inoffensive and very drinkable so
i'm going to kill the fort you're killing the fort yeah because
i mean it was interesting but i mean do i want that
all the time not really that's an interesting way to look at
it yeah actually you know what i should have killed the i
should have killed the rye probably should have killed the rye but
you're absolutely right i didn't think about that no i should have
can i take that back because decision has been made i didn't
think about the fact that it's not oh it's been carried out
on it fine fine fine can i kill i still want to
kill her right i'm going to fuck spago any chance i get
because man i know that's like a that's like you know waterbed
and velvet that's a that's a dream getting to fucking tobago but
in terms of marrying oh man i'm going to want the oxbow
all the time really oh yeah oh yeah like if i had
to live with something i want something that's interesting and it's going
to be surprising you don't think you're going to get tired of
it if i married the oxbow i think it would divorce me
yeah it might but i'm still going to do that marrying just
so i can say i think if i married it i'd get
tired of it oh i don't i i mean maybe but i'm
a neophyte to marrying so maybe i'm wrong here i want to
fuck it on the side man but that's why i think of
of of the sebago like i think that would be there's no
wrong answers that's the fun part about this yeah and we're like
two hours and fifteen minutes in so i should like grab the
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thanks see y'all in the post show one two three shoot greg
glens welcome to craft beer radio episode five hundred ten on five
hundred eleven on august eighteenth twenty twenty three i'm
shannon i'm jeff i was looking for a microphone to talk into
i'm still not used to these lavalier mics i'm greg where's my
mic all right so yeah greg mentioned it in the intro there
but the last like three shows we said the wrong episode number
at the beginning of the thing so i just like it i
i just think it should be just something that we stay with
why do we need to be pressured to be accurate right i
mean so what do you got here what are you pouring for
these are more beers from our trip good news for you greg
this will be the last show where i feel like we have
to get the ipas while they're fresh but this one is the
fourth anniversary from twin barns brewing it is a golden rye IPA
so this should be something a little bit different from the the
no i poured poorly shannon get much and we're going to have
some more so there's some too so we're going to have to
do the mixing mix dumb mixing three way here OK so this
is hop with six point seven percent hop with new zealand grown
nectaroon and rewaka hop OK all right yeah and then the other
note is that this is a rye IPA so you know rye
will typically give it a more spicy and character to the grand
maltville it's also a hazy i know you pulled these out before
it's still pretty cold and you know warm this up a bit
how has your couple of weeks been as your fortnight it's been
busy with work and still making bowls got back to making bowls
so it's fun can make bowls while i can i have one
of your bowls and it's a great bowl yeah it's got one
of the good ones too i really like that knothole that was
in that one yeah i was making this probably like my third
or fourth bowl and i'm turning it and it still has the
bark on it i really don't know what it's going to be
and there was some you know like kind of punky wood like
a branch knothole in the side and i was thinking i was
going to once i got it cleared off i was going to
glue that in epoxy at something and then as i'm turning it
the knot flies out like hits me in the shoulder so i'm
OK i guess i'm good you were wearing eyewear yeah yeah got
a whole face shield so punky is that the term when it's
like almost rotten OK like soft and rotten because the first thing
that came into my mind when i heard punky was anybody punky
brewster punky brewster which then i realized could that be a name
for a brewery i'm the punky brewster there you go NBC or
CBS probably still owns like the trademark probably i don't really get
a lot on the nose do you all yeah something hobby but
that's kind of it i'm not kidding so these are what's we
can root raku right nectarine and rewaka rewaka OK yeah so rewaka
is one of those new zealand hop right so a little soft
a little bit vanilla a little bit melon you know so i
am smelling something like that on the nose not really like big
old citrus or anything like that and then in the aroma you're
getting aroma you're also getting in the malt you know you're getting
a little bit of barley a fair amount of rye yeah that's
mostly what i'm getting yeah it is the malt and i'm the
malt yeah i guess there's a little like i don't know something
peach like for me it's a little bit like candle or honeydew
like a yeah that that's a that's a better description yeah very
mild yes it's kind of dry has a nice christmas to it
cause of the rye and the multiple i think the rye adds
something to it by making it not feel just kind of puffy
by giving a little bit of a bite but it also is
very like melanie on on the first step and it it's more
sweet and then the rye kicks in yeah had this beer this
was the day that we were did the all the rainy day
breweries in new hampshire and this was that last place right by
our airbnb oh yeah yeah we got this that's a good one
to me it seems very bitter i think it's sarai 'cause i
don't feel like that it's it's bitter hop wise i don't have
any IB us or anything like that yeah it doesn't taste like
a a resiny like hop bitterness it's very dry it is and
there's kind of a twang on your tongue a little bit you
know like i think that's from the rye is that what you're
coming across it's from the rye yeah it's different and i like
that it's different because i just posted an on discord by the
way please join our discord the link is on see crafter radio
dot com right on the front page towards the bottom and then
in the what are we drinking area i posted that i got
what was it not heavy topper but the other one focal banger
focal banger from The Alchemist and it was yeah fifteen wow yeah yesterday
is when i bought it and it was made two days before
so like like that's as fresh i think as i could possibly
get in pittsburgh oh for sure so and yeah it was just
like it was fine and it kind of reminded me of all
the things that this this thing was i think it's a little
bit more drinkable than heady topper yeah yeah i had one one
at the The Alchemist but i was i guess i was looking for
this super juicy super fresh i'm at you know at mecca kind
of thing i drank the sucker from the can did you yeah
i i i read all the instructions i the thing is if
nothing else like i said in in in the chat there the
thing that i appreciated the most wasn't the fact that oh i
get a whale but it was this is a this place that
i shop for beer which i do is pay in something of
a premium for you know it is more expensive than it would
be like it some of the other stores but they're taking care
of their beer and the this was right out there fresh is
kind of crazy so still city beer is the importer for the
The Alchemist which i had errantly presumed OK they signed a contract but
i don't think The Alchemist has any beer to come to pittsburgh well
obviously that's wrong but it's crazy that it went from canning line
through the wholesaler to the retailer in two days when it's a
fourteen hour drive so and i'm pretty sure because i think i've
talked to people there you know they make sure that stuff arrives
cold you know it's not they don't have it let it go
warming there's obviously there are beers out there that aren't in their
fridge so it's not like they do it everything is like that
but for the for the expensive stuff the top shelf stuff they
they keep it cold and they make sure it's there so i
appreciate it that much the fact that the beer wasn't that amazing
it's fine i'm willing to pay a little bit of of an
extra thing just as a shout out to the you know as
a here here's my here's my present to you guys for sure
shannon and i went hiking first time in pennsylvania after our trip
and it wasn't quite the same doing hikes around western pennsylvania kind
of a let down after you've done hiking in new england yeah
yeah i i can see that although we didn't talk about it
i didn't want to say that one of the things that we
didn't mention about the nice thing about living in pennsylvania and pittsburgh
in particular is so if you live there in vermont or up
there there's kind of one way in you can get stuff but
there's a narrower way to get things to there whereas we're in
a much more centralized location so it's a lot easier to get
a hold of more stuff where we are and quicker so if
nothing else we are kind of in the middle of a of
a big you know mercantile area which helps us a lot when
we want to get stuff yeah i think she's like but the
mountains yeah the hiking the yeah i'd take i'd trade it yeah
i'd definitely trade it for me being outdoors in maine and i'm
like i don't want to just be on the grid i i
want to be the grid would you like yeah i'll drink not
a fan did you think it was bad or just not super
into it just not super into it i didn't think it was
bad but i i i get it you know reserve your sobriety
for stuff that you you think you're going to really love yeah
so that makes sense this is again the twin barns four the
fourth anniversary it's got a big four on it all right let's
let's stagger the ipas this time let's go to a farmhouse oh
good that's a good idea all right bellflower brewing company this was
one in portland that we hit up their brewery i believe is
outside no it says in portland here OK we were going to
say they brew out they literally brew outside no no it seems
like a lot of the places in portland have they're tap rooms
and have places elsewhere seen how a bunch of that when we
were doing those breweries which one is this one bellflower this is
do you remember the beer name that's what i'm asking is he
is looking at it i'm sorry farmhouse farmhouse or it's called bellflower
farmhouse sale oop that was me i apologize need to turn off
the error message no it is farmhouse i don't i drank one
of these last week and i got my hands smacked save these
for the show i just told you you gotta save one yeah
i'm exaggerating all that OK so bellflower parm the pappy bellflower farmhouse
six percent and everything else is just this is what your old
taste which i'm not going to bother to read because that's not
i want to learn myself the the color i will have to
say it's not as dark gold as the last one it's a
much lighter yeah it almost has like a whitbeer kind of color
it does it's not quite as white as a whitbeer but it
has some opacity to the the cloudiness yeah yeah it's cloudiness it's
not a hazy like a hazy IPA and it's funny you say
wet and as soon as i knows it like i smell a
whit beer well you're going to smell a lot of the similar
characteristics right you're going to smell a big wheat part of the
green bills wheat in this that's common for a lot of farmhouse
sales and then the yeast likely not a whitbear yeast but it's
going to be a more rustic sazolan yeast or something like that
they're going to be in the same extended family kind of flavor
wise right and then i haven't tasted yet but you know you
might not probably doesn't have coriander and orange peel and things like
that added to it the rusticness of this comes through 'cause i
mean i smell this and i'm imagining like an old farmhouse fence
so there's like a a dusty mustiness coming out of it i'm
smelling the inside of a clean barn i'm not saying a dirty
the the wood and the the hay you know that combination of
those two i'm actually getting like a buckwheat kind of aroma where
it's like a little more otay chewy and kind of brown smelling
compared to a wheat all right otay as buckwheat would say oh
you're not saying OT like there's oats in it no no i'm
saying like eddie murphy on saturday night live when he did buckwheat
character OT we're old under the flavour sweeter than i thought it'd
be the malt comes through it has kind of like almost like
a marmalade toast type flavor marmalade toast you're on is only there
but i think that i think you're in the right like zone
but i think you're that's also coming across melanie like the lot
melon E like the last beer also like there's like almost like
melon jelly or something on it did you say marmalade yeah because
i'm thinking definitely like a cracker with something on it yeah it
doesn't have it doesn't really carry the orange part that's not really
what i was going for more of just the vibe of toasty
bread with some jelly on it yeah OK then then i guess
we're you're in the right zone what's that flavor though it's it's
not orange well i take back what i said it's a cantaloupe
but no i think it's a really faint i'm tasting faintly tasting
apricot OK OK so if you pictured an apricot jam and you
just barely put some on your toast spread it really really really
thin OK yeah i do think that's a good call i i
see that there that that's there there's something as more like in
terms of melon there's a little bit of honeydew in there i
think yeah i'm not getting like a singular fruit here there's more
of a combination there's might might be a little bit of like
lychee yeah i could i could see that or even like dragon
fruit along those lines for sure so LK ninety nine is another
thing no apparently it is a long standard ordinary diamagnetic possibly diamagnetic
metal a diamagnetic metal means that it can expel it can expel
magnetic fields so you can get things to float on and if
you if you have the magnetic lined right but you're not expending
any energy by doing that by the way it it it's just
sort of it it's like it's like resting something on top of
a what's a good physical analogy for this because basically it's it's
resting on top of the field lines so it's not doing any
energy it's just being held yeah well i mean i guess the
closest thing to say it's like a table right the table is
holding this this glass up against gravity but it's not doing any
it's not putting any energy into the fact that it's doing that
right yeah now the paper was retracted yeah i guess the guy
's getting the team 's getting you know investigated so i don't
know what i know that one of the papers from the guys
was attracted i don't know if the LK ninety nine paper itself
was attracted but i don't think it was published by i don't
think it was even published yet or it wasn't published by like
a prestigious journal but physical review letters which is a very prestigious
journal did retract one of like the main guy 's papers so
yeah people get excited about flashes in the pan all the time
and you know i'm used to seeing it happen in my in
the field that i study in particle physics so i'm really skeptical
about anything that happens in there i'm i was of course less
skeptical about LK ninety nine for kind of a couple reasons one
of which was it's not my field and the other one was
the ease of of testing it because it was relatively according to
the the stuff that was on there and the stuff that i
read it was like really easy for people to test this thing
so there wouldn't be a whole lot of time between whether we
knew this was legit or not yeah i started to talk about
this couple episodes ago but we got off track i was watching
a youtube series a youtube show about element hunting and thus the
scandals there there's you know there's like three main places that discover
all these super heavy elements you got brookhaven right yeah there's one
berkeley berkeley there's one in germany and then the what in russia
what in russia so berkeley kind of hired away this guy viktor
ninov from the german group and long story short this guy it
just compulsive with falsifying information to to get to the discoveries you
know so berkeley had huge egg on their face like like because
he claimed like three or four of the you know like you
know like one O seven until one fourteen someone in there like
that he had found it but then they went back and looked
at the data it was all falsified that's bad because so when
you're element hunting for for those who are in the now and
like for shannon i'm sure you don't really are up on how
many of this works but you're you're throwing you're throwing someone nucleus
in another hoping that there's going to be a fusion and that
you know that's going to be an extraordinarily unstable atom and it's
going to decay so you know what what you're what's going to
be left behind and you're looking for what's going to be left
behind you're familiar with the periodic table of elements a little bit
absolutely and so like right now it goes up to like one
twelve or so but everything after one fifteen one eighteen i think
one eighteen is the is the last one that was OK confirmed
but everything in the hundreds i don't know exactly where like something
that's stable but they decay right away so what these people do
is they find two combinations of elements that when they slim them
together they make these big elements or they make something the keys
in through this big element kind of thing and you're throwing not
like one you're throwing like a bajillion of these you're stripping off
the electrons you're throwing up bajillion of these nuclei at other nuclei
and just hoping that one of them or maybe two of them
will hit in just the right way because they're both positively charged
there's lots of reasons why this you know this is exacting difficult
work to do and requires like really calibrated machines really pure environments
you know as pure a vacuum as possible it's interesting because there's
different recipes you can use to try to get these big elements
like einsteinium is like one of the biggest elements i think it's
einsteinium that lasts long enough that you could throw other things at
it get anything bigger than einsteinium will decay before you have enough
time to throw things at it so like they start they have
einsteinium sitting there microseconds and then they use like and then they
use like cobalt or something and they're or maybe even bigger i
forget but they throw that so like you can't use element like
one O eight and throw element one O eight at it to
try to get element two hundred sixteen or whatever because neither of
them last long enough for the experiment to happen so so let's
say you're trying to get element one twenty well you could in
theory i guess try to throw sixty at sixty right but i
don't think that would work for some reason there's there's lots of
real weird nuclear physics reasons why they pick the ones that they
do but the the numbers should add up to what you're trying
to get and then you know based on the information that the
math tells you what it will decay into and so then you
what you do is you try to measure and see if those
because you you obviously once that happens and again it falls apart
in you know microseconds or or even less it so what you're
looking for is then the daughter elements the decay of of the
of that will produce right proportion of these other things it gives
you the finger you were there you know that kind of thing
got you so it's a lot of really difficult exacting work but
because you know what you're expecting if you wanted to fake it
you presumably could and and there is sort of a on some
level an honor system that you're not doing that kind of part
of what he was doing was to try to get dibs because
i think i think it was we'll get there sooner or later
and sooner is better so i want to falsify the information in
case another lab gets it we can have dibs on discovering it
and which one was this one because i didn't know this is
the berkeley lab victor nino so he he just got you know
once he was found out he strum down to the industry so
yeah because because it it's built on the honor system that honor
system is very rigorously enforced so if if you're found of violating
that then you are just out that's why a lot of studies
they try they do Dubbel blind or they don't even get a
chance to look at the information or they code it in a
way so that they only can so that they gather all the
information with their machines and it's then like coded before they even
look at it and then they later much later when when all
the experiments are done then they they decoded and see whether they
did it or not so they're so they're not influenced by learn
what have happened the craziest bias today that that american that people
have what's that they prefer letters on the right side of the
keyboard versus letters on the left side of the keyboard really it
started before nineteen ninety names that were chosen for children uses letters
from both sides of the keyboard fairly equally and after nineteen ninety
skews hard to the right side of the keyboard but that's not
the only piece of evidence there are just if you take surveys
of you know do you like a or you better you know
like stuff like that like it wades out the right side of
the keyboard for right and left handed people i mean there are
two good vowels on the left side of the keyboard A and
E so you think that those are good yeah you would but
i'm thinking about yeah you were a type we're we're i mean
i'm just yeah i'm thinking about how much faster i am tristan
's a left handed name tyler 's middle and max is mostly
left handed although the M 's all the way on the right
hand side victoria 's kind of mixed too so you don't fall
into the things too much i'm a lefty i'm a lefty for
sure although technically i'm i'm gregory so there is if you put
it in jeffrey i'm totally in the middle of the keyboard put
in jeffrey i'm totally left sided keyboard i mean not not a
hundred percent i don't like stewardess right or you know stewardess is
all left handed longest left handed word i didn't realize it was
the longest left handed word i've never really paid attention but i'm
just thinking about when i type like which hand is more dominant
and you know which one i type faster with which side of
the keyboard i'm faster on and i guess it probably is the
right and rexta is all left handed so if you know anybody
named rexta rexta i don't know the the the so the the
qwerty layout i just learned that so i was like listening to
radio lab and that's where they threw this nugget out about how
there's a bias this weird bias that like there's not a good
hypothesis why but in in like china where the the the story
is mostly about how china was able to do the different methods
of getting all of the chinese characters into a computer typed in
through a keyboard and stuff like that but like there's not a
similar bias there but where there's qwerty keyboards are common in like
europe germany england that they all have the right letter by right
letter bias and we we read left to right so it's kind
of this is doubly weird weird or the and this also could
be like a correlation is not equal to causation type thing it'd
be interest like and then like so like when the qwerty keyboard
was organized you know we've always heard the story that they had
to mix up the letters yeah so what i understand a lot
of stories about that are BS or at least are challenged so
here's the new story that i've heard is the word typewriter is
all on the top row because typewriter salesman couldn't really type but
they wanted to demonstrate it really fast no that's that's no i
i i i believe that that is something that's out there i
don't know whether that's something that's true that does that has that
flavor of being something that people made up after the fact yeah
OK so should we move on to something else yeah another idea
and the ping pong back and forth here this one 's the
definitive brewing company stainless oasis stainless oasis from definitive yes i believe
this is another one that i got my hand slapped for what
you got to save one of those for the show i mean
you know and you don't want to be tainted you want to
like not know what this tastes like it's coming in kind of
OK this is definitive stainless oasis i'm being more careful pouring now
i got all three glasses here and i'm just going to pour
like an ounce in each and so we all get the same
strata without having to so when you say definitive how definitive are
you talking that's pretty definitive i mean there's no yeah these guys
are also in portland another hazy shock shocker it'll be the last
show where i'm trying to get these hazies out while they're still
fresh sorry it's just too much i mean i i'm jaded about
it now i can't deny it when i everything is hazies and
i just i look for more there's so much downstairs though that's
not it's just that we had to get these out first i
know i know i understand but no we have a ton of
beer from oxbow we're going to be doing an oxbow here next
i'm wearing the shirt is that what that shirt is yes OK
say the back OK yeah so it's got so i'm stating does
that mean yeah yeah i was not i don't know for some
reason i didn't know oxbow 's reputation oh we'll talk about that
when we drink the oxbow could you there's so many breweries around
there how could you know everybody 's reputation i feel like there's
there's too many of your reasons there have to be whales anymore
well it was on our discord and i was talking about where
we were and someone said you got to go down a couple
blocks to oxbow and we're actually going to we're going to probably
cut the night short before we went there and like no you
got to go so like a discord listener or discord participants another
reason to join our discord and now the sticker is on my
laptop the definitive sticker i don't know about you all but that
sounds funny gets i'm describing the same thing but apricot jumps out
can i smell yours i smell mine i'm getting more like guava
definitely smells different than mine doesn't it yeah i poured it did
you guys see how i smell mine no i i'm i'm not
i'm not arguing i'm just saying that weirdly we're not getting exactly
the same experience yeah i had all three glasses in a triangle
and poured it a little bit in each glass and just went
around in a circle that's crazy that we don't have the same
beer guess not as lively in the noses as the one that
you had i'm just trying to pick through it and i'm getting
mostly malt i'm getting like tropicals like subtle tropicals like guava dragon
fruit actually we just went on to the flavor and and i
think you know dragon fruit is not really that flavorful of a
fruit but i am totally tasting it in this beer kind of
that like mix between dragon fruit leaning towards pear there's a pear
i i feel grapes actually pear definitely pear now i've only had
dragon fruit like what once or twice it has another one has
kind of a melody texture to it it it it's you know
it's in the it's in that ballpark of lychee and water chestnut
like all those things with subtle flavors yeah it's it's it's a
lot like tomato salt makes a difference OK i don't think i've
ever had it with salt i've had watermelon with salt another one
where yeah we were watching something on youtube and threw our they
suggested putting cracked pepper on watermelon oh yeah that fucking delicious of
course never knew oh yeah no it's amazing yeah it is because
pepper is how would you describe pepper pepper is everyone 's had
pepper but like it's got so it's it's got a bit of
spice to it and woodiness and it does help to it has
it's got that oiliness which then can bring in other it can
it can use that aromatic oiliness to bring in other flavors and
sort of elevate them vanilla ice cream pepper is fantastic on vanilla
ice cream i haven't had that but i'll never have watermelon again
without pepper that's for sure i mean when i have the opportunity
to put pepper on it fresh yeah it has to be fresh
yeah yeah the if you get like dried pepper in a that's
that's little more than cardboard i really like this one this is
nice and drinkable there's a hint of vanilla in there too there
is that's a good call yeah this one 's super tasty drinkable
because it has the subtle tropical flavors to it you know it's
not the bitterness is low at least the parent bitterness is low
yeah this is nice and drinkable i really do enjoy this one
for an IPA right for an IPA for new england IPA this
is the definitive stainless oasis so you you put in the notes
this new horizons thing do you want to talk about that yeah
listener of the show at least former listener i should probably tell
him we're doing it again because he hasn't commented and then he
was a huge fan of the show john daigle the guy we
met down at aslan yeah yeah in DC that on the way
back from the beach at one time he sent an email i
was BCC don't i don't know if you got it but i
think he works for one of the organizations that putting on this
petition it's it's about extending or NASA has decided to cut the
budget for the extended mission of new horizons which is the space
probe that flew past pluto in twenty nineteen and also that flew
past one of the kuiper belt objects yeah contact binary i forget
what it was called but it it was it looked kind of
gold snowman it was an a native american name for sky i
forget which which tribe but so they decided to they're going to
hibernate the machine but they're going to contract out or let the
contract run out for the team the science team and then replace
it with a heliocentric science team and it's said that you know
OK new horizons could be reactivated but it'll be doing heliocentric science
and not like voyager and not key KBO science you know kuiper
belt object science and he wants petitions signed i was just i
like i don't know like i was hoping for like a strong
case of why science is better for the KBO study i i
kind of wonder if it was you know like his company is
you know APR type thing for the the current science team or
something you know i'm not sure what's your feeling on it i
mean a machine probe where all the instruments are still working and
there's fuel it seems a shame to not use it i don't
i don't have a good idea on which brand of science is
better i don't know well i was wondering what you think like
how what do you think about well so while planetary science and
cosmology is not the field that i put a lot of effort
into studying it is a field that i'm very interested in and
i and i consider myself beyond a layman in it and i
love love planetary exploration robotic planetary i'm a huge fan i have
a chart on my wall of planetary exploration from things and i
think new horizons are fantastic spacecraft and really cool stuff and this
this petition when you sent it to me and i read it
i was embarrassed OK and i felt it was shameless let me
read what it says here with budget constraints NASA has decided to
cut funding for new horizons and cease its kuiper belt exploration starting
october first twenty twenty four fiscal year twenty twenty five NASA also
intends to recompete the new horizon science team in early september replacing
them with a lower cost heliophysics team after the global accolades is
that fair funding for the spacecraft may not be restored at some
point after fiscal year may be restored at some point after fiscal
twenty twenty five but as a heliophysics vision mission not explain the
kuiper belt unless this is reversed the kuiper belt mission would be
ended prematurely to save single digit millions of dollars even though the
team believes they are important scientific investigations to complete every belt represents
the vast majority of solar just a mass to sustain a future
space training civilization and take humanity for the stars that last sentence
is just fucking bullshit the kuiper belt is gigantic it's this gigantic
area in terms of space because it's it's beyond neptune and you
know it's tilted with respect to to the incline the solar system
and it's and it's huge but it's also got like nothing in
it it's basically empty i mean they kind of got pretty lucky
to do that second flight do the second flight they they had
no idea that that thing was out there when they launched you
know they found that with hubble a couple years before the fly
by but there has been a consistent effort to find something else
for this to go to and nothing has been found because there's
nothing there and there's certainly not enough fuel on the craft to
to get anywhere close to anything that we know about and a
helio physics mission seems like a really good use for the spacecraft
now that it's at the point where there's nothing really it can
reach i mean that's what i was looking for i didn't know
i mean this obviously is one side of the story like what
you just read it's very agenda well the the thing that really
embarrassed me was after the global accolades is that fair now just
like what the fuck does that mean is that fair is life
fair is that fair the god global accolades for the science is
doing and now it can transition into doing a science that it's
in the position to do some good science for what i i
now i i understand the angle that look you know it's hard
out there for a post doc if these kuiper belt guys want
to have a job but that's not what really what this is
saying this through this is trying to appeal on a much broader
basis of of of like like the last thing about how this
is the mass to sustain future space bearing civilization there there won't
be space bearing civilization that's nonsense take humanity to the stars humanity
is not going anywhere we got one planet that's it dumb and
buzzkill mister star trek saying that what the hell man i think
this is this is entirely the right decision and i feel like
if you want to send something else to the kyber belt i'm
all for it right let's send more crafts to the kyber belt
to explore but make this thing into a heliophysics thing because yeah
we could use more heliophysics probes there's more science to be done
there this thing is on a hyperbolic trajectory it's going outside of
the solar system not as fast as voyager is but it still
will hit those same things it's better to have multiple data points
than just one it's got more advanced tech on it when i
was after i saw this i'm like OK i want to know
like what's the what's the A side science and the B side
science i didn't get i did get i got distracted didn't find
that answer but i found NASA has this really cool visualization where
you can orbit around the solar system it shows you where all
the probes are and how pioneer tens like zipping off that way
and i think we should make use of new horizons while we
have it in the best way possible and i do think that
is definitely a helio physics mission so sorry john i'm i'm not
buying it what's next next is beard beer de coupage OK i'm
going to have a to to look at the label there to
from shilling beer company i did think it was B I E
R E so i was right there beer de coupage they're the
capols first shows up in the french and we were doing the
rainy day beers in new hampshire OK that was that place place
where we sat at that little sidebar had the pizza i think
or down by the river or was busy at the bar where
is it the sidebar that little counter yeah where we were staring
at the boats in the marina no no is that we had
a oyster there in new hampshire on the road oh in new
i'm sorry new hampshire on a rainy day so what is The
The Bruery here because there are lots of beer to compose shilling beer
company shilling shilling shilling SCH yeah OK so looking at the first
thing that came up was actually funk factory brewing where where they
say beer de capage is a phrase that first shows up in
french brewing tax from eighteen hundreds and is used to describe the
process of blending old and young beer together i believe it says
here a blend of young saison and two years spontaneous interesting OK
so the google for beer de capage don't shake it up too
much i'm just trying to look at the label oh stop tilting
it oh gosh we don't want the yeast tilt oh that's got
nice aroma to it OK five point five percent alcohol by volume
a wild yeast is obviously being used in this one dude sorry
i'm looking i'm reading it this was brewed march twenty twenty three
you just want to stir up all the funk in the bottom
i want this big funk yeah a blend of a young saison
and a two year age spontaneous beer what is this the amanusuk
room i don't know you got to google too many OS in
that word spell that out for me A M M O N
O O S U C OK so it's a river in new
hampshire yeah the one that this brewery was on yeah see that's
The The Bruery right there that's what we were right there you recognize
that if this bottle was sitting down there on the shelf with
the wine and everything else i would think that was a bottle
of wine that that bit label pipe right i mean this is
not a pipe in other words this is not the free rate
this is the picture of it like you've even seen the picture
whereas the pipe and it says under under it in french this
is not a pipe no yeah yeah this smells really this this
picture yeah yeah all right actually i i i always wanted to
get this and i should i keep forgetting to but this was
the thing i want to hang up on my on my wall
because i like the the artistic expression of the idea which is
don't mistake the bat for the place while this is a picture
of a pipe this is not a pipe so you weren't there
OK mister pedantic that's it i'm going to get some more ipas
so we're going to drink all ipas so the room on this
one what we got going on there it's kind of like a
granity there's did you say granite yeah granite OK like kind of
like a granite of stash wine yeah yeah like a stone dust
there's a little bit of like washed drying cheese aroma like gloomy
rind speaking of which greg i got some jasper hill cheese that
i brought back and i forgot the last time so yeah i
get a post show we'll be bringing out having some cheese cheese
actually we'll go really good with this let me i say bring
it out so i think that wash rind cheese is a really
good call especially rind cheese and is maybe one that has like
that's been soaked in in wine or something like that isn't that
what that is well you can get like salt wash rind when
i'm getting those notes but there's there's something else because there's that
that tartness and that sharpness definitely i mean it could easily mistake
it for a sour like a a really sour just without tasting
it i mean i haven't tasted no me neither but but for
sure there's there's definitely like there's there's lactobacillus in there there is
you know some spontaneously fermented so there's lots of of good stuff
in there there's acetobacter which is what makes like acetic acid like
a vinegar yeah that's what it's reminding me of what's that his
kombucha his kombucha sure that's the familiar snob there's also kind of
a sourdough thing in there right and i'm going to be sad
OK there's a breadiness under there yeah the yeasty there's definitely like
a sourdough bread a really sourdough with a lot of flour you
know how sometimes you get a loaf of bread that has that
excessive amount of flour fresh from the bakery and you hope that
flour has been cooked so it doesn't just taste like just raw
flour yeah OK well i'm going to i'm diving in yeah right
yeah so it's not ridiculously sour there's sour notes there yeah it's
just but it's not like oh my god this is like puckering
me up sour no the sour is is just i mean this
is blended right so there's clearly i bet the what it was
blended into was really sour but then there's a cezon in here
that lightens that up and and gives it more of a a
balance a balance and and and that sort of dusty note that
cezon 's can give along with a little bit of a floral
note like this dandelion coming out to me yeah especially near the
end maybe like escarole or something something with like a bitter green
no adam 's too shabby i think this would i'm definitely looking
forward to the cheese that jeff is cutting because i think this
would go really well with the cheese all right so i'm going
to tell you the names of the cheeses take or open up
tabs or whatever opening up tabs you know from jasper hill jasper
hill one is harbison H A R B I S O N
tell repeat that again please harbison yep spell it please H A
R E H I S O N B I as in boy
yeah harbison harbison gotcha right the second one is oma oma oma
oh my god omar and the third one 's willoughby willoughby that
reminds me of a a oh that's a nice B to take
a picture that's for our discord there's a song it's reminding me
of here let me get some of the videos in the background
your ticket OK i'll take another one that's fine so we have
it i hope that the AI is taking care of all the
weird sounds that are coming out of us all right with crunchy
crunch crunch OK all right so before we have any of the
cheeses jeff give a taste of this beer OK yeah all right
lavalier reattached the beer de coupage beer de coupage yeah that's awesome
it it's really well blended yeah because you can tell it's a
big sour in there that's being blended out with the saison to
to even it out and to to make it less although i'd
love to try i mean like i i bet the the sour
is kind of like a a K M F the incontinent mother
funk type craziness yeah now it has it has kind of that
mineraliness and the sour kind of elastic sour from the sour and
then the saison i think it's providing a little bit of more
body i'm getting a little bit of lemoniness from it yeah i
think that's it all right so this one is oma this one
's willoughby that is harvested so the yeah so that the one
that is the the least gooey hit the hardest of them which
is not particularly hard is the ola this is a organic pasteurized
cow milk cheese with a rush rind tomei in the cow like
tommy arthur i guess i don't know what tommy means i don't
know the cows are from von trapp oh breed the vulgar brewery
so not only do they brew they also brew cows breed brew
and breed they brew and breed i don't know about this i'm
not into soft cheeses soft cheeses all that much you're missing out
just a texture i have a problem with can't do it can't
do it i mean you're allowed more for us yeah so jasper
hill is in the same area of vermont as where hill farmstead
is they don't have tours or anything like that they've been awesome
about a cheese making tour and i found out about it when
i was looking at the hill farmstead website they're like you know
things to do nearby and they're like jasper hill doesn't have things
but if you go to the general store in town they carry
the cheeses there so after we went to hill farmstead we stopped
at the general store got the cheeses got some coffee anything else
i don't remember i think that was it so the tamay if
savay i'm i'm sure i'm nailing that pronunciation is it's a natural
rind lumpy and brown the textures they have crushed velvet it's got
a little bit of crunch to it i figured that was just
salt crystals forming and gave it the crunch it also has it
changes the flavor because it is as a real earthiness to the
rest of it which again this was a this last one is
actually wrapped in birch so but this is OK cheese kraft cheese
radio very nutty like like deep nut like like bigger than walnut
like something really nutty i think walnuts where i'm like i'm not
sure bigger nut is i think of a brazil nut but they
don't really carry much flavour i think no i mean like deeper
nutty flavours you know on top of that i mean i'm it's
a tangy it's cow 's milk cheese right so there's a a
bit of a grassy flavor to it big tang to it when
you bring the rind in you get more you get more crusty
flavors a little bit like a focaccia so how's it mixing with
this villade colbage be honest not great i think they're they're kind
of playing against each other as opposed to marrying i do get
some more multi flavors from this yes the fatty the fattiness of
the cheese is taking away from the the acidity so the maltier
flavors of this will come out more yeah so we have this
beer too so we can save some cheese to compare with this
one which is another blend of twenty nineteen twenty twenty spontaneous fermented
farmhouse sales we're just going to go from runnier cheese to runnier
cheese and i love it i'm a big fan like this to
me is heaven so yeah so you probably know this i don't
know if you know this but this cheese might just be runnier
because it's has more age on it a lot of these cheeses
will start out more firm and then as they i mean based
on based on what i'm seeing here now like the harvison is
going to be running like that and the willoughby is less runny
but more runny than the oma the oma doesn't have a eat
by date the willoughby says enjoy by the thirtieth of september i
mean i mean it's a long it's a long lifetime you know
like it's not a couple weeks it's and then the harvesting is
enjoy by the sixteenth of september i mean it's soured no what
are you gonna what are you gonna do make it more soured
like i mean i mean you can you can get a mold
on it right but it's it's it's like when does yogurt go
bad right i mean it's how how can you i i don't
think that the i think i know that the FDA requires dates
on those but i don't think those dates really tell a whole
story if the thing is covered fuzz throw it out but if
it's not it smells like a dead body throw it out there
are some cheeses that we'll throw like a dead body yogurt actually
yeah i had a situation did you see adam ragusey about mold
no i don't think so the TLDR is that there's more health
effects like for things like bread where the mycelia can like hard
cheeses are different you can cut the mold off and keep the
rest but like bread if any of it's moldy you shouldn't eat
it because the mycelia will be spread out through it there's in
a western diet it's probably not as important because you'll be getting
a variety of molds if you eat moldy stuff but like in
other diets where like rice mold is a thing and you kind
of have this monoculture mold it actually has real health problems to
it stuff it's a good thing i throw brad away as soon
as i see i do remember reading on it or hearing somewhere
it did i i would have said no before i saw this
and i'm like OK now i have more information i'm able to
change my opinion so i do remember reading somewhere i don't know
how true it is that there are no known bread and molds
that are harmful to humans like that that that are poisonous to
humans that's that does not mean that they will taste bad or
perhaps give you indigestion or bad things like that but they won't
like kill you but another thing that you know LSD comes from
bread mold so some types of LS like it's a rye mold
i would say you know try to find that episode of ragusea
and see what he says about it and kind of you know
i bet to your base of knowledge on what's safety and what's
not because i was at the camp of cut off the gross
part eat the rest yeah and if you're only eating some mycelia
occasionally it's probably still OK but there has been studies that show
that moldy food has health complications oh my i i get it
because right what you see is the fruiting body the mold in
general right not not the not the moldy stuff not not the
not the actual mold itself which is like you said the network
of mycelia so like inbred you the whole thing can be colonized
and you take off a couple pieces and you're still eating mold
so more nutrition man fungus is just a part of that's what
i would have thought until i saw this so just just watch
it i just ate some some moldy bread all right let's go
back to IPA bill all right this is the last brewery we
stopped at on our trip we stopped at auburn new york right
on the top of one of the finger lakes this is prison
city brewing company and this is mass riot is is this is
this a place called prison city yeah well there's there's called prison
i guess auburn is there's a prison or something in auburn i
i hear there's trouble right here in prison city with a capital
T and that rhymes with P and that stands for prison i'm
not sure what you're quoting music man music man my friend OK
you said this is mass riot when you drank last night i
believe so i assume that all of their things are sort of
or not or some of at least some of their beers are
prison some of them yeah like like their flagship ipas and stuff
prison city i first made it on my radar this is actually
the second time i've been there when i went out with the
ex to oma gang and whatnot these guys had won something prestigious
i don't know if it was like a silver for IPA at
gabf or world beer cup or something but like brand new brewery
won a thing went up there this is a nice brewery but
they didn't have the beer that was maybe it was one of
those who's the who's the big webzine that writes like the fifty
best ipas isn't thrillist it but it was like something paste maybe
it was paste yeah yeah yeah but maybe that's what they were
on like they came in like number two in like the pace
competition and so i went up there didn't have it and then
we were driving home on a monday and things aren't open breweries
aren't open on mondays but this place was we had there was
a good lunch bartender was awesome you're closing your eyes to a
situation you do not wish to fred right here i say trouble
right indicated by the presence of a pool table in your community
we have to critique this you got trouble my friend right here
i say trouble right here in river city why sure i'm a
billiard player certainly mighty proud to say i'm always mighty proud to
say a three rail billiard shot pocket and i call a beer
from a bottle and listening to something out of peaceful pocket and
i call that sloth the free maturity to score in a box
shove a ball in a pocket dave it's a great thank you
blood boy well i should say you wanna you got one tell
you now friends let me tell you what i need my daddy
boy sitting on dank blood my pockets in the table pockets and
mark between a gentleman and a bottle and all week long get
the ball in the dandelions for me countdown top forty with bob
kingsley that was my that was my teeth like my childhood road
trip hell yours was musicals right musicals and oldies lots and lots
of oldies god and the thing is i hate oldies and i
hated musicals at the time now i kind of love musicals especially
clever ones but the oldies are just the fucking worst i can't
stand them these like because it's just and then and my parents
would listen to the beatles but they would listen to all the
old beatles love love me do right i want to hold your
hand my mom was the same way she listened to the pittsburgh
oldies station and i always wondered i haven't answered this now but
i always wondered why don't bands why aren't there bands that make
new oldies you know like that version of music either motown or
well there no there there are bands that do that but they're
not popular but they need the torrent and stuff that's the thing
oldies now that i am old and i see all the bands
when i was like a young teenager doing like guns and roses
coming to pittsburgh here in a little bit right i have no
interest in nineteen ninety one i wanted to go to their usual
illusion concert tour so bad my mom wouldn't let me and i
was so mad at her and now they're coming and i could
go and like i don't want to see axel rose and sixty
years old bruce springsteen 's coming too i probably bruce springsteen 's
great y'all can go together have fun i'll find something else a
little bit of that bruce springsteen 's i'd be happy elizabeth over
bruce springsteen 's songs i wouldn't say like i'm not like i
wouldn't be there for a concert but i'm not a concert guy
anyway so i wouldn't even work at that concert yeah i have
no interest in going to see i can't stand guns and roses
i mean what seemed metallica last year about you know we got
to go get the you know in a luxury box and whatnot
you know the tickets are complimentary but well and we saw greta
van fleet that was i was really excited to see greta van
fleet who they are nope they're a nubian they have this very
led zeppelin sound they actually get criticism for like mimicking led zeppelin
too much you know that kind of thing so i really like
their album stuff like criticizing a a a sitcom for mimicking cheers
right it's like you mimic what works yeah so i love listening
to album and you know spotify of greta van fleet they open
for metallica at PNC park and i don't know if it was
it just wasn't good like i don't know it was because we
were in the luxury box and the sound wasn't getting to us
right or if the sound was wrong or if they're just not
good live i don't know but it was not good well that
can happen that was disappointing but the concert was good anyway i
mean it was fancy metallica metallica metallica metallica the thing was there
was a whole song when they play you know do you know
metallica much i i i know enough i don't know one of
course yeah yeah yeah yeah the song one was a music video
they weren't on stage for three quarters of the song it reminds
me of i remember i i was at i was i was
watching with damien like ten fifteen years ago we were watching eminem
did like a H B O thing it was like one of
his concerts and he would come out and do like two verses
and then there 'd be a little thing and then they 'd
go and i was like this is like eminem the stage play
not an eminem concert it was real weird and i was like
i don't know if i went to a concert if i'd want
to see that i think that i'd want to just see the
songs being performed not like not a not a version of it
yeah that i i do think that metallica brings it at a
much heavier level than guns and roses does today so sure metallica
's still together and guns and roses put together for this tour
i guess i mean well OK slash and axel are back together
i'm not sure if izzy or duff or whoever else speaking of
tours we really missed out on a concert when we were in
vermont maybe set on a couple concerts we could have seen cake
and we decided not to yeah but i think you didn't miss
anything i feel like that's one of those bands that like i
i think there are a lot of bands for the nineties where
like the songs are OK but do you like do you really
need to go back and and or watch a blind melanin concert
well i like cake oh i barely like blind melon i like
cake a lot so we were at bissell brothers brewing in portland
and it's right next to this concert venue and when we drive
in there's already the people for directing cars to the concert and
like the concert is it and it's like it's cake but the
tickets would have been like aftermarket tickets so they were really paying
like eighty five bucks a piece you know for lawn seats kind
of thing and we were spending so much money on the trip
and we're like you know we don't need the nah we'll buy
more beer we don't need to work a concert into it i
would like to see the reddit but lady gaga with the opener
being the goo goo dolls i just think that goo goo gaga
is gaga would be a very cool no but the concert that
i'm talking about was the one that was going on in vermont
her new there my musical soulmate is noah khan so he's this
new up and coming artist he's kind of folksy kind of like
the lumineers he's not up and coming i mean he's he's hit
it he's OK so he's just peeked OK but he recently was
an up and comer and we were at we were in burlington
at some of this yeah we were at foam brewers had a
beer from them last year which interestingly enough he did a collab
a collab with them and they released the beer two days prior
and sold out just before we got there that day but we
didn't know that anyway he he's from burlington well he's from a
small town just outside of burlington yeah you can tell the story
no no no i i just didn't want he did he did
three sold out nights at the amphitheater we looked to see she
she wasn't in love with the guy at the time knew the
name we looked to see how much i knew i knew some
of the songs home now he's a hall pass yeah tickets though
on stubhub were stupid like twelve hundred dollars like basically like i
would do it too like if some idiot wants to pay twelve
hundred dollars for my tickets they can have them you know it
was kind of the things that were for sale you know but
it it was really interesting so that night we decided to walk
down to lake champlain and watch the sunset and we parked at
this little park right you know half a block from the from
the lake and get out of the car and we could hear
the concert from across the lake and concert yeah down the bay
it was like down the bay and i could hear him clear
as day but i didn't know what song it was that he
was singing and after we got back from our trip i was
playing some of his music and the song northern attitude came on
and instantly i was like that's the song that we heard as
clear as day when we were walking over to watch the sunset
of course once we got to the lake the water was crashing
and and you know you couldn't really hear it it was very
distorted but but now you have that song to associate you with
that memories that's really oh yeah and i mean all of his
music is written about his life there living in in new england
states and oh my god the red sox lost so he's he's
mine now he's my music soul mate jeff says well i mean
my musical soul mate your your spotify rewind was going to be
all lumineers now it's going to be lumineers and no it's going
to be a good combination of the two yes and then we
did we have tickets to see lumineers before covid no OK the
most just before covid he was touring with the lumineers and their
their tour was cancelled when the pandemic hit so those two were
actually together so it makes sense why i like both bands so
much you know but we haven't talked about the mass riot at
all and it's almost gone final but you're drinking it already it's
been like twenty minutes got me talking it's got a little lemongrassy
thing going on there very soft very round in the flavor it
has a mix of kind of soft melanie tropical guava really drinkable
one yeah nice and drinkable the the artist that i kind of
recently fell in love with even though she's not new but she's
new you know to me courtney barnett is is really great i
have a little bit of rotation yeah this guy when we went
to see the sunset you'd probably appreciate this we went to see
the sunset in burlington at the park there was the burlington earth
clock and it was stone monoliths kind of like stonehenge so they
had stones it was a combination of sundial and seasonal thing right
so it had stones for compass points north southeast and west head
stones for the summer solstice and the winter solstice and the equinox
our guest the equinox is east or west in this case because
it was on the sunset side and then it had sundial markers
or if you stood in the middle you know based on the
month where your shadow went to tell you what time it was
it was really cool that's neat so we were going there for
sunset and we were supposed to have like twenty minutes or so
to spare but there was clouds shadow was showing me pictures there
was clouds on the horizon which was dense and basically that was
the horizon at that point so we were like twenty minutes short
so like it's it's starting to like set behind the clouds and
like i'm running to this to this clock so i get a
picture of it between the rocks and i got like one picture
before it dipped below the clouds oh well it was a cool
picture it's still a cool picture but if the sky was didn't
have clouds out on the horizon you know i would have had
another fifteen minutes to take lots of pictures and get the perfect
sunset thing but got one shot of a decent better than decent
sunset at the burlington earth clock the burlington earth clock all right
what's next mass riot was decent but kind of unremarkable good drinker
though yes it's one of those beers where if you're having it
on the couch watching TV or really shooting this shit really good
beer yeah it's it's hard to be poetic about this beer i
even had a we both had a taste of cheese i had
a taste of the willoughby there which is wash rind cow milk
and it kind of tasted very very similar to the oma and
a very similar doesn't have that crunchy salt part and it's a
little runnier but yeah it is similar all right let's do the
oxbow this will be the first thought we bought a ton of
oxbow so this won't be and they're all soury things but it
won't be the last oxbow that you have greg what's the name
of the spear this is native wild and there's probably more of
those this is the twenty nineteen twenty twenty version do you want
the last slip of that yeah native slash wild sure that's what
it's that's how it's native wild it's how it's presented on the
website native slash wild this is weird there's beer on top of
the cork so oh that's not there's a cap rate sign there's
a cap i should probably pour that beer out yes definitely there's
a spelled bucket right it was just like a couple of drips
of beer but probably best oh the cork is so soft and
supple so it was upside down for a long time so this
is a spontaneously fermented parma sale brew with main grains aged tops
and well water well well water well there was a well there's
a nice there's a real pop yeah look at that that's so
weird portland i wonder if they put water there just to make
to give i wonder if they yeah i wonder if they put
something on top of the cork when they tap it just to
give it that that that extra i bet they do oxygen the
the extra thing to make so we have to open a second
oxbow tonight and find out so this is this is barrel aged
it's barrel fermented and spontaneous six percent uncle by volume native micro
flora and wild east inoculate the cooling work overnight in a traditional
cool ship at our rural farmhouse brewery well shucks this this is
something that i'm really really excited about oh yeah i love a
farmhouse good love a good farmhouse nice green bottle this is as
you said the twenty nineteen twenty twenty blend it was bottled january
twenty twenty one and the production time to say effervescent you know
when you smell like a soda like a lemon soda how like
the the carbonation burns your nose i get some of that on
this where i get that kind of that lemon effervescence was a
deep molasses thing leather leather leather yeah lemon i definitely the the
you're right lemon have a essence there's a forest floor or something
like that or like cattails yeah something earthy something a little dirty
little mushroomy root beer i think it's the leather that's you smell
really coming i mean i get the leather part but i also
think there's there's other things there too yeah there's a hundred things
oh definitely definitely but they just add it to the pile do
do you smell like root beer no i'm trying so root beer
is what is that sassafras yeah like sassafras mostly and i feel
like there's a bit of that there yeah name what do i
smell what do you smell have you ever bought a pull raft
that was in a box and opened up the box that's usually
a bad bad thing for well that's what i'm smelling yeah i'm
not smelling using that descriptor before but never in a good way
yeah usually that kind of aroma the plasticky thing can i spell
yours so am i let's blend there there's a there's a bit
of newness there right so i i see where you're getting that
from on that but i it's not strong but it's there but
i i don't think it's strong so i don't think it's a
problem but yeah if he if he gets on this rubbery band
aid that's normally a very bad sign no we've totally had the
changing it we've totally had full raft before and so you're not
wrong when you smell it but hopefully no last time last time
we blended out a bad flavor we ruined everyone 's beer so
that changed that but there is you know more beer here left
so but still it's here's OK since we're doing this so am
i and look for root beer oh yeah it's stronger on yours
spell jeff 's it's not fair why is everyone 's beard different
it's not fair OK see i love those root beer barrel candies
and i have a package of them upstairs at my desk and
i literally ate two of them today but that's like a tandy
yeah but it's still that root i mean i love root beer
i like root beer beer i love root beer anything i cannot
pull i don't know i think when we when we say root
beer we're thinking more sassafras sassafras yeah or something like that so
i went on are you any orange blossom now OK flavor be
ready it's an acidic one it's tangy it's tart it's big oh
it makes you pucker it makes every part of your body pucker
it has kind of that the stoniness that mineraliness it has a
lot of us said you got that lemon just got the thing
where it it it hits the edge of your tongue and makes
you feel almost thirsty it has it has it has the horse
reins you know dried out leather in a barn with some yeast
on it it has this is where i think the cheese would
be great because it will cut the acidity away and it'll be
able to taste more do you want to try the willoughby no
no no that cheese is way too soft and runny for me
it's still a sid it's still acidic through all that it's really
it's cutting the cheese away it does it washes that fat the
creaminess juices almost like can't stand up to it now i actually
really like this but it's it's a lot the the if anybody
gets it just be prepared because that first sip is going to
knock you it's close to like a hoosa my very first sip
was kind of sweet tarts yeah which kind of like but i
so people who know like my my flavor wheel that i use
i usually save sweet tarts for flanders reds and things like that
my first sip for this one i'm not maintaining it i'm just
kind of giving you the progression of flavors i did taste kind
of like lemon sweet tarts and then that second sip is where
i got the delicious stone dust leather rustic you know dried wood
there's a lot of complexity on here even though it is very
acidic there's a lot of brightness here is strawberry like a really
tart strawberry OK yeah definitely oxbow so yeah wasn't going to go
to oxbow was top posting that we were at bellflower and there
was this place we went to greg called we didn't bring anything
home from them but it was called things called fermentata or they
fermentata they mostly didn't do beer they did kombucha that was fantastic
what else did they have god i can't even remember but basically
all the all the the fermentation stuff that is not beer they
did it was wild really good place we're trying to pull flavors
out of here i think there's some ginger in here i can
kind of see where if you think of like lemon ginger kombucha
yes this lines up with that right so like you're on the
it's almost well greg 's on to something or you're on to
me it's not gingery but it's like in the mood of lemon
ginger kombucha or is it just apple cider vinegar no no it's
way more no i'm not saying just you didn't say just though
i didn't say i mean we can pull up the apple cider
's younger if you want to see how harsh that is compared
to this i i know i mean it's acidic but it's just
saying it's like just apple cider no i didn't mean OK i'm
sorry i should never have said the word just didn't mean that
the nice thing about it is is i guess i'll have sourness
without having any like pithy notes or rindy notes there the leather
keeps coming back for me at least in my glass that's that
oh yeah no it's it's definitely there it's it's an undertone that
also makes it so it's not just pure sourness leatherwood yeah but
that's that's green that's my anchor point to like you know because
i want that rustic i want that level of rustic in my
blends in my sour saison thingies oh yeah this one brings it
like most don't that's the foundation that the rest of it rests
upon and if that wasn't there it would be very unbalanced let's
go into the runny cheese this all run together so the the
runny version so we just had we have the willoughby which is
the semi runny and this is the harbison which is the very
very runny this is like i just had bark wrapped all right
oh my god that's so good that has more character than the
other ones for sure it's got it's not as sour and sticky
shannon if you think you can try it no no but no
it's boom that's so good that's really delicious but i don't more
have the words for for cheese as much as i do for
beers yeah it's more subtle it doesn't have any of that really
funk to it it's more creamy i mean there's probably a little
funk in there but like compared to the last two it's clean
oh there's definitely funk there but yeah it's got it's got notes
of you know sour cream of creme fresh and stuff like that
it's it's really tasty you know and and the fattiness goes a
long way there's a tang that's not sour there's yeah almost like
something from creme fresh or something like that right where you're getting
that kind of like tanginess but it's clean it's not really lemony
it's a little bit of like a maybe like a parsnippy note
something some root vegetable type thing but like a roasted version of
that and there's a little bit of like there's something things are
there they're just distinctly cheese there is that are let me throw
this at you maybe you let me with the roasted parsnips i
started thinking thanksgiving but like i'm like there's a little bit of
like dressing like you know bread like stuffing dressing you know like
maybe it's the onions maybe it's the the seasonings that are in
it there's definitely some yes sweet onion me thing like if you
ever made like a sweet onion relish that comes through there yeah
so like the sulfury note is really covered up so good it
is really tasty if you think you can try i can't i
mean it's basically just transformed grass but it's not it's not funky
and weird it is you know sweet and yummy no well if
he had a cracker and put that on it nope right i
love her anyway bless your heart i can't wait to drink i
can't wait to drink the rest of this oxbow in the post
show and so damn good all right what's what's our last fear
of the night our last fear of the night which i thought
we already did no no yeah all right all right all right
all right so when we were our airbnb for portland was in
gorham yes gorham and this is the sebago brewing company barley wine
just a it's a it's a kind of in a shopping area
brew pub didn't have huge expectations for them but it was super
close to the the airbnb their food was good their beers were
pretty good but this barley wine all right so we're ending on
a on a multi high alcohol note twelve point nine percent alcohol
by volume oh yeah it's so much for your sobriety it's only
a twelve ounce can yeah yeah i know i'm just got centennial
cascade and columbus hop very classic i didn't think you'd give that
to me barley there's more that's the only reason i'm being nice
i was i figured she would be like no FUI was grabbing
for a glass to drink it and she gave it to me
and she loves me all right well while you're doing that i'll
read out the green bill on here two row malt crystal malt
maris otter maris otter one of my favorite malt oh OK this
is that's what's used in ES BS it's it's got this very
bready bready but with caramel notes type thing bread pudding well i
yeah bread pudding roasted barley wheat malt special B special B and
main pale malt yeah so shannon posted a picture of this beer
in this can on sebago 's google oh i did well i
did a review a google review but like how much you got
like you had viral yeah it was a ridiculous amount of views
within twenty four hours i got a notification from google yeah it's
different so we had this barley wine there and we had it
out of the can so hopefully this one is the same it
pours with no head it pours very dark brown beautiful beautiful the
aroma it's it's it's really different so it really it really hits
you strong compared to the flight that we've had but it's equal
for me it's like equal parts bread pudding and barrel and and
the bit of campfire OK oh like like burnt marshmallow i was
going to say toffee yeah toffee there's a little bit of like
caramel swirl vanilla ice cream in the aroma oh that's a good
call yeah molasses definitely the aroma brings it on it oh boy
this smells fantastic this is the best smell of the night oh
for sure made main my heart it's still there it's brewed for
times like these that's what it says right there brewed for times
like these that's a that's a weird slogan because how like i'm
sure it's brewed all the time i don't know i mean but
i've been really missing maine today so there totally is like a
s'more thing going on there with the kind of toasted marshmallow graham
crack oh yeah vanilla caramel just can't fire in general there's just
a it's like a candy bar and and this beer is not
your crazy milkshake vanilla ice cream no this is barley wine this
is american barley wine maybe english barley wine thrown in a bergen
barrel not only that this has been like sitting out for like
an hour and a half at least right so it's at a
really good temperature oh it smells so good it's one of those
beers where it's like just sniff sniff sniff air freshener it oh
my god that tastes great too dark dark chocolate yes almost like
a chocolate liqueur yes yeah with with a with a bit of
both a chocolate you're familiar with and a chocolate that's bitter without
going too far in either direction then the barrel comes through you
know like right now we're all yeah in the oakiness we're having
a punch with barrel right now now do any of you taste
hold on let me do before i ask a question let me
take another sip do either of you taste a hint of raspberry
in that just a really really subtle hint only in the anticipatory
thing of like this would be great with rasp with raspberries maybe
that's what it is that i'm thinking 'cause i dark chocolate raspberry
in the sense i can taste the whole that a raspberry would
fill as opposed to an actual raspberry OK what i do taste
is is is like a bitter chocolate like like an oreo without
the cream oh i think it's much more bitter than that i
think it's a much darker chocolate no it is but i think
there's a straight up oreo wafers are pretty bitter pretty better yeah
they don't have much sweetness to them that you have to have
the cream well maybe i haven't had a straight up they're not
popular in other countries because the crackers are too to like better
not speed we have that's why they make Dubbel stuff because it's
so much more cream yeah so much more like hydrox are way
popular elsewhere because the the crackers have more so is this the
last can that we have hydrox came before one more we do
oh that's unfortunate why is it unfortunate you better share it with
me because i need an excuse to go back next week buy
some more a new story that you pointed out that we haven't
talked about is anheuser busch selling selling shock top and blue point
to to a cannabis company they sold a bunch of brands they
sold where is it i'm sorry i i just want to continue
talking about this beer for a minute sure good the toffee yeah
there's a the more it warms up the the more the flavor
changes it just it it just there's a real heath parsing like
i think that one of the big problems that i tend to
have with barley wine is they're too sweet this is not too
sweet no and i think that's because isn't this is a barrel
aged so i think that that's why i mean you that barrel
aged keeps it from it's it's possible although i've had other barley
other barrel barrel aged barley wines before that have not been this
you know edged towards bitter which i think makes it more balanced
some people may disagree but i think that this makes it much
more drinkable and much more like you said toffee and sort of
the candy mar notes and and the bitterness helps to make it
so you don't get this lingering sweetness right so they sold shock
top breckenridge blue point ten barrel red hook Widmer Brothers square mile cider
company and highball energy wow so basically i i mean they didn't
sell goose island didn't sell four points or six point six point
no four points the the one in arizona oh yeah OK yeah
i forgot about them but yeah they they dumped all i saw
the greatest snarky comment it's like anheuser busch is able to do
what none of those sales reps could do sell shock top did
you notice that small batch is that what you're pointing to what
about it small batch everything 's a small batch i mean it's
not like they're not making a million barrels at a time so
yeah yeah small batch is kind of a more marketing speech i
mean the label small batch when it comes to bourbon oh sure
the yes i mean this isn't their flagship this isn't their brown
ale this isn't their IPA this is their barley wine they brew
it once or twice a year but i'm sure that this this
thing everything counts as a small batch anytime you talk about a
bourbon barrel aged barley wine that we're oozing over like this is
a small badge so i didn't know the label is great the
label is very classic it has like the wheat things you know
like the the script for the wheat thing it's it's it's it's
not crazy schizophrenic twenty twenty craft beer beer labels but if you
want a sound that represents the flavor it was probably something like
this yeah comfy but also like sexy new part of the show
i think it's like since it's a podcast you know like the
only sense the listener gets is sound we have to find songs
that best represent the beers that sounds like a hard to ask
i know i'm really setting this up for failure here i love
the idea it's also especially hard to do on the fly on
the fly yeah i just happen to have a sound that matches
it but it it is it's got that sexy velvety look your
google thing how many hits did you have it was like thousands
of years right there's yeah trying to pull it up right now
your watch face greg has much stuff on it what is all
on your watch face i noticed that earlier this is carrot this
is my new weather app and it's great carrot 's great because
dark sky has been absorbing the apple and so i used carrot
now i didn't know whether apps had watch faces they did has
a couple of watch faces as this one it has that one
it has OK this one a co worker of mine asked me
about dark skies for the perseids last weekend and it was a
rain out so it turned out to be nothing but i showed
him you know a dark sky map and what not and i
mentioned the time we went up to meadville yeah and that was
such a cool experience i think we were just talking about while
we're drinking this beer right is greg and i wanted to go
watch the perseids so he came up to my house in cranberry
at eleven o'clock at night or something like that and the best
time to watch meteor showers is after midnight because the sky above
your head is in the space fly like the new space like
it's it's the the bumper of the car of of the planet
so like before midnight you don't get a ton of stuff we
got up there i don't know what time we got up there
but it was eleven thirty midnight something like that and you were
driving i was in the passenger seat and the way we did
it was we had a an overlay of white pollution map and
google maps and the overlay back then wasn't nearly as good as
they are now the one the one i looked at last week
was way better than the one back then and what i did
was i found this like little dark corner out by meadville that
was like farm fields so we i knew we could just pull
off on the side of the road so we did exactly that
we found this road through two cornfields pulled off on the side
of the road and like OK we're here and i was under
the impression like i'm still going to need some time for my
eyes to adjust i step out of the passenger 's seat i
look up and there's just this purple wash across the sky the
milky way was fucking blazing at me like and my eyes weren't
even adjusting yet and so we set up some chairs and we
were looking up at the sky and we started to see some
meteors it was really good we probably saw thirty forty an hour
something like that yeah and but at one thirty it got foggy
not just cloudy foggy and that was the end of it so
but yeah i was like it was also it was great time
because the moon and it was a new moon yeah so like
the moon is going to wash out so much of that because
you know i mean meteors are basically pieces of dust little more
than you know cigarette smoke out there but just as hitting the
atmosphere very fast when shannon and i were up in acadia there's
some really like sheltered parts of the park and astronomy and stargazing
and the parks open twenty four hours a day so you're allowed
to go in at night and so we were looking at the
schedule like the the dark sky clear sky forecast kind of thing
and really it was like just one day that we had an
opportunity to do it and had a couple options of where to
go and we decided to go on the rocks on the ocean
some people might know this landmark but by thunder hole i don't
expect you to know but someone might get it so and but
it was a little hazy still you know like you could tell
where the milky way was but you couldn't appreciate the milky way
and then we we saw a few shooting stars saw some satellites
it was really cold it got really cold and we didn't have
like sleeping bags or anything like that and then it seemed like
it was getting more hazy and we weren't seeing as much stuff
when we built so i did those bring your mind two times
one time probably about twelve years ago when my first times went
out to cape cod there was a meteor shower was happening and
i went out with my brother in law 's sister at like
two AM and we went to the beach and saw some meteor
it wasn't great we saw some then there was the time when
the first time we went to the grand canyon and i happened
to notice as i was like sort of walking out after i'd
like cool this is the grand canyon it's great this thing saying
grand canyon is some of the darkest skies in in the united
states because of the blah blah blah it's like OK cool so
i came back around like one AM and it was dark and
it was the first time that i understood what the milky way
meant because you not only saw it but it looked like someone
had spilled some milk on some velvet and it was just so
there was it was like a stain of like stuff in this
band i was like wow that's awesome that time up in meadville
is the only time i've appreciated the milk i was hoping we're
up in maine we get it but the the dark skies up
there like you look at the overlay it's good you're just too
easy to get it yeah and the ground light was super good
where we were couldn't see any kind of halogen light or anything
like that the only thing we would see was the roads so
cars who were driving like it's those headlights were hitting us but
yeah like there's also night now that all the weather apps have
cloud cover too so you can use that to see if there
is you know any when we when we did that there didn't
have any of that information you want to do some rankings sure
we got to do rankings and i got to do marry fuck
kills rankins rankins so i was trying to think you know we
totally stole mary fuck kill from what the beerus do they they
do try buy or die which is basically mary fuck kill yeah
i know but i i do not want anyone to think that
we're clever we totally stole this from the beerus john rubio gets
all the props for mary fuck kill or whoever on the beerus
team decided to do that note i'll give john the credit all
right whoever 's going first needs to take a picture of their
order yeah that makes it a lot easier for me to post
this show oh my goodness so last place is going to be
hard because this was a pretty damn good show it's going to
be one of the ipas i guess while you're doing let's listen
to some yeah trouble your parents are caught with a sister and
empty on a saturday night she's got lots of trouble peeking in
the pool hall window after school you got trouble folks right here
in river city trouble with the capital T and that rhymes with
P and that stands for pool now i know all you folks
are the right slap lump i mean shannon 's the only one
taking notes well that was more for myself yeah 'cause it was
my flavor profile my liking so but hopefully i can crib off
your notes to get some ideas you sure can absolutely i mean
you know i didn't write a lot but all right i got
my rankings and then my caveat here is that we're going from
first to last or last to first i kind of built suspense
last to first always but the prison city mass riots gonna be
my last place last place beer and it it falls into that
total category of hard luck loser tonight's show was amazing super delicious
so mass riot and definitive were very similar beers hazy IPS with
lots of tropical flavors guava leading melanie stuff like that i think
i liked the definitive better so i'm going to put the mass
riots at the end of the lineup then comes bellflower brewing farmhouse
ale delicious beer again it's also hard luck loser i dare say
because the rest of the lineup was so strong i liked how
it had that kind of lemony lemongrass flavor to it it wasn't
quite as dry as i had hoped it would be i think
that's part of it now a little more funk little more dryness
then in whatever place this is one two three four five fifth
place is definitive stainless oasis this guy had that tropic that i
really liked for the hazy ipas top of notch right but it's
competing against the rest of the beers which aren't hazy ipas and
so it gets knocked down but i really enjoyed that i'm going
to put the rye IPA four from twin barn in fourth place
the this gets the win because it was different you know it
it gets it's it gets the win of the ipas because it
was different i'm going back out there's a dog lying in the
room caught there so lying in the room on lincoln you go
see what she's there dory it's a little bit tore us here
and found the interest dog on the road so she's going to
rescue it and now she'll have another car right there so she'll
have a new dog oh gosh now be careful fourth anniversary from
twin barn this guy wins the IPA race tonight because it was
different i really liked how the rye played it was dryer it
was almost loggery in the malt bill and the way the malt
was presented it was almost loggery and then the hop with i
think it was kind of a melanie hop the new zealand hop
yeah came across melanie i really like that so that wins the
hoppy battle tonight and then in third place i'm going to put
the beer de capage that guy was yummy but we had two
top notches beers before now the top two really a struggle but
it's more of like access to me i've had other barrel aged
barley wines that have been delicious so i'm going to put the
sebago in the second place super duper good everything about it but
because it's hard to find a beer like native wild from oxbow
brewing where it brings that leather and that granite and everything it
it it it's king tonight all right let me get a picture
of that give me your phone so i can take a picture
'cause my phone 's on the charger of course you and your
problems with batteries all right who's next shannon me yeah all right
well fortunately for the folks listening i have mine numbered and ready
to go so i shouldn't even be able to do this relatively
quickly well no i mean i rate them but then i have
to like look at yeah you'd have to look at my i
don't understand anyway there's so calculus in there and we had terrific
equations do i no i'm not that smart don't give me that
much credit not that smart just about learning a process believe me
there are idiots who know calculus people who are really stupid and
people who are really smart who don't know calculus at all four
three that time of the night were great so far there we
go so jeff yes dear apparently i married you for a reason
OK great mind thing great minds great minds think alike i am
back in my pants you know it's it's really unfortunate because we
had this really great selection of beers to choose from tonight so
fortunate i mean it's i mean it's fortunate but it's unfortunate that
someone has to be ranked last yeah exactly that's that's what i'm
trying to say so in last place but still really good i
have to agree with jeff and and the prison prison city mass
riot is going to fall last apparently that's where our agreement ends
though because i'm not sure which one you chose next but my
sixth place was we had seven would be the twin barns golden
rye IPA did you choose that one that was that was taurus
i don't know OK all right it just it didn't do it
for me it you know it it was it just didn't bring
a lot of flavor yeah i think for me i elevated it
because it was different i mean it was definitely everyone has their
own scale but you don't have to use anybody either anybody else
's scale to measure it's whatever you think is best for whatever
reason you think is best for me it didn't mm hmm yeah
for me it just didn't get i'm sorry we didn't go over
before i before we continue your married fuck kills jeff oh i
thought we'd do that after though OK then all right that's fine
go ahead sorry i didn't want to interrupt i i i but
i did so i apologize and shannon continue please that's fine let's
see number five i'm going to have to it hurts i mean
this really hurts for me to rate these because every single one
of these i really enjoy it enjoy there wasn't a sneaker in
the run there there really wasn't so it's it's it's very difficult
and it's very difficult for me to to say this but i'm
going to have to go with the bellflower now i can't talk
farmhouse ale i love it i mean i'd i really like that
that barn wheat grainy it was light it it was sweet but
it was really subtle sweetness and i i really liked it but
unfortunately it's all right it's competing against some really tough ones so
that's five number four definitive which again really hard for me to
say that because i really loved how smooth it was was bursting
with flavor i love that it has a handicap against the top
three though it it really does it does it's an I P
A I love ipas but i apparently you know when it's up
against some of these others and also think about the price point
this was like a four dollar or five dollar beer this was
a eighteen dollar beer yeah mention which ones you're pointing to yeah
yeah well we have to wait the cans or the IPA cans
you know are in the forage and then the green bottles are
like the sixteen eighteen twenty dollar bottles so so anyway so i
really i i really do love definitive i i had a number
of their beers while we were there and have had this one
i had this one on tap i've had this one here at
home a hand slap for drinking it it's really enjoyable but you
know it's up against some really hard ones so anyways next on
the list number three i'm going to have to go with and
i'm going to slaughter the name that's fine slaughter it slaughter it
do it i'm very out of date nail it you said it
more eastern european eastern european saying your french beer name OK from
what is that schilling beer company yeah i like that really liked
it i don't know what to say about it i really liked
how that really sourness was complimented and and kind of just mixed
really well with that stays on that just kind of balanced everything
so you had that tartness but it wasn't i mean it it
was there but it was just balanced out really nicely so i
really i really enjoyed that bursting with different flavors too and then
number two this is so hard so hard for me i'm wearing
this shirt not your child it's a weird you don't you need
to disconnect from the emotional what with this it's not gonna feel
bad about it it's the the oxbow native wild hats just kill
it pour it out freaking awesome i mean it is it i
can't say enough about how fabulous it is yeah and it it's
it they didn't have anything like that on tap while we were
there execute order this is one of the beers that we you
know just shopped we bought at least a case of oxbows and
yeah so it's so fulfilling gratifying like that didn't waste money yeah
yeah it delivers that we didn't waste money yeah no for sure
the beers that we had on tap though were really really shopping
for to go beers at oxbow was crazy it probably had fifty
different things well you picked a good one he he there's there's
more downstairs so looking forward to it when we do a next
show right now first place i have to go with the barley
wine from sobago i mean it just really nails it i i
love so as my taste buds have evolved over the years short
years i've realized that i really like these these barley wines i
mean they barley wine there's a few others too but barley wines
are i love that barrel that bourbon barrel one one thing that
we didn't specify clearly is this is straight up in english style
barley wine versus an american i don't know the difference american will
probably once will have more hop to them i don't like them
i wouldn't want that either fine hoppy barley wines i mean i
haven't had a lot of barley wines recently but i haven't tasted
a lot of recently hoppy barley wines i don't so i don't
know whether that that still accounts for things i think that there
is but having something that's unabashedly english style with a marisota and
everything that that's true it's a huge bonus in my opinion and
probably yeah definitely definitely so that has to be number one for
me i guess i need to take a picture snappy snap snappy
snap snappy show all right you lower my volume no i get
the problem where sometimes i just lose the audio lose i lose
your old USB i got i got i got hold of it
sorry i got it you already know he knows i know i
know i know i can guarantee you all the ipas are at
the bottom of the list no no not all not all he's
struggling decisions OK so what i'm going by my metric for this
is remarkability what am i remembering this was a very good show
i really enjoyed it i enjoyed the conversation we had i enjoyed
the beers we had the cheese don't forget the cheese we had
not for me but for you what do i remember and this
is the order by which at least at the back end definitely
how i remember things and at the front end i think what
i will remember anyway we talked over the mass ryan it was
completely unremarkable it was really good drinker it was tasty and we
just went right through it and that is both a good sign
if you want something that's a good drinker and it's going to
be you know it's it's not going to bother you can drink
it while you're watching stuff that's that's great but it didn't stink
it didn't it you know it didn't but didn't really illicit conversation
pull you out of the stream of conversation and definitive is like
right next to it for me and so is bellflower like i'm
only putting bellflower in the front because and you call it's not
it's not hazy but i don't remember much about bellflower i really
don't those three are just they're they're not ringing any bells i
i was looking at the your your list and i was like
yeah i guess that's true but i didn't remember what was happening
here and then the the front four i remember them they're distinctive
to me the the four is in my in it right in
the middle in fourth place it is a it's got that it's
got that tingle of wryness that made it something to remark upon
that the other stuff didn't seem to have then the bearded kapage
which i agree with you shannon there was there was just so
well balanced and the the it's just the the the way that
that was you cut this obviously really crazy wild with this saison
to make its thing it's very drinkable at the same time you
get a lot of really cool flavors and you get a lot
of evolving stuff going on the native wild was probably the best
beer of the night i think that that this is the one
that is it's got so much going on it's it's so so
much to talk about so much to to dig into but this
zhibago was i'm going to remember that the toffee do you have
any left no do you i have none left that's unfortunate yeah
look at you nurse savago savoring so yeah like the savago was
just i was oh no no it's OK i don't want to
i don't want to even even taint my memory i i i
just i really really enjoyed the hell out of it and like
it's the thing that on my mind oh oh could you bring
up some of the cheese there bring up the the the the
gooeyest one the gooey gooey gooey one so this is the the
harbison the harbison goes in in third place oh so we're ranking
them too huh i mean i am OK you don't have to
no so good you don't want me to but but the harbison
to me was good enough to go in third place of of
this ranking so i'm going to take a picture of these guys
let me make them yeah mate get so i can see all
of the all the guys and take a picture all right it's
a it's marry fuck kill time jeff all right kill 's going
to be hard kill 's going to be hard can't kill can't
kill to marry the oxbow it's the rules it's the rules i'm
going to fuck if you know you're disqualified fuck you it's like
i don't even know how to do this i'm going to marry
the oxbow i've been a no i'm going to marry the bearded
plage and a fuck the oxbow then i'm going to kill the
the bellflower OK don't try to make sense of it don't it's
like it's like don't apologize to alexa don't give these beers a
personality don't don't make them don't think of them as people they're
just products right is it my turn it is your turn i
have to marry and fuck and kill and kill yes do it
do it find it figure it out so if i'm married that's
that's the one that i'm i'm drinking all day every day you're
stuck with it for life fuck hold on i got to look
at my notes again which one do i want to thank all
they do every day for the rest of my life for all
the days you shall live and if you don't abide by that
then you're going to have to pay a lot of tax you're
going to pay a lot of money so that means that after
i finish doing my lawn work that's the one that i'm going
to go to right i have a rough day at work that's
the one i'm picking up and i'm going to drink that's going
to be my go to i mean the one that's what you
wanted to feel about you no i'm asking like when you say
i mary that's the one that's my go to is that what
you're saying is that you not necessarily be how i look at
it but if that's how you want to look at it no
i'm asking like well i don't want i don't want you to
take my interpretation of it i want you to have your own
my interpretation of mary fuck fuck and kill OK mary is going
to be the go to mary 's going to be the one
that's always going to be in the fridge that i'm going to
go to all right it's going to be tough i'm going to
if i'm marrying one if i'm marrying one it's going to be
an IPA all right and it's going to be a definitive OK
all right it's your definitive choice that's my definitive choice the one
i'm going to fuck gosh that's so hard can i have two
i'm gonna like like like your side piece yeah yeah your guma
i'm gonna fuck the oxbow all right yeah gruesome you'll be in
the oxbow yep yep yep and i'm going to kill kill i'm
gonna shank him in the prison i'm gonna kill the prison the
prison the mass riot in the prison which is unfortunate because i
really like this one too yeah well i mean contrived games have
hard luck so yeah gregory OK marry five kill let's go with
kill his first three were completely inoffensive and very drinkable so we're
going to kill the fort you're killing the fort yeah because i
mean it was interesting but i mean do i want that all
the time not really that's an interesting way to look at it
yeah actually you know what i should have killed the i should
have killed the rye probably should have killed the rye but you're
absolutely right i didn't think about that no i should have can
i take that back no decision 's been made it's it's didn't
think about the fact that it's just not oh it's been carried
out on it fine fine fine can i kill i still want
to kill everybody i'm going to fuck spago any chance i get
because man i know that's like a that's like a you know
waterbed and velvet and that's a that's a dream getting to fucking
tobago but in terms of marrying oh man i'm going to want
the oxbow all the time really oh yeah oh yeah like if
i had to live with something i want something that's interesting and
it's going to be surprising you don't think you're tired of it
if i married the oxbow i think it would divorce me yeah
it might but i'm still going to do that marrying just so
i can say i think if i married it i'd get tired
of it oh i don't i i mean maybe but i'm a
neophyte to marrying so maybe i'm wrong here i want to fuck
it on the side man but that's why i think of of
of the sobago like i think that would be there's no wrong
answers that's the fun part about this yeah and we're like two
hours and fifteen minutes in i should like grab the main i'm
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