WEBVTT 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:20.831 Welcome to Craft Beer Radio, I am Jeff Behr. 00:00:21.932 --> 00:00:23.093 I'm Shannon Behr. 00:00:23.093 --> 00:00:24.514 I'm Greg Weiss. 00:00:24.514 --> 00:00:29.488 And we're back again this week. is almost like old school old style show because 00:00:29.488 --> 00:00:30.878 we're kind of focusing on Oktoberfest. 00:00:31.299 --> 00:00:34.241 It's the literally Oktoberfest right now. 00:00:34.241 --> 00:00:38.484 We should mention that that was Iron Lung by King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard 00:00:38.484 --> 00:00:40.926 who was recommended to us in our Discord by Marinus. 00:00:40.926 --> 00:00:46.790 Yes. And then kind of why I went and had Shannon, Shannon was out, 00:00:46.790 --> 00:00:49.352 so I'm like, can you stop and get some Oktoberfest? It's because one of our 00:00:49.352 --> 00:00:54.115 listeners on our Discord, Greg, was showing pictures of himself today at Oktoberfest. 00:00:56.137 --> 00:01:04.783 So, so before I made the purchase, I did stop at Starbucks and get the famous pumpkin spice latte. 00:01:04.783 --> 00:01:07.425 Yes. 00:01:07.425 --> 00:01:08.806 The first one for the season. 00:01:09.647 --> 00:01:14.690 These Oktoberfests are all in cans. They're all, three of them are local and 00:01:14.690 --> 00:01:17.032 one is Sierra Nevada, which is the one we're going to start with. 00:01:17.032 --> 00:01:19.334 So, no German Oktoberfest in the show, unfortunately. 00:01:19.334 --> 00:01:24.391 Let me ask about the pumpkin spice latte. Could you get the same experience 00:01:24.391 --> 00:01:28.121 just by putting some nutmeg and cinnamon and stuff into a regular latte? 00:01:28.121 --> 00:01:35.426 Or was there something like distinctive about the pumpkin spiciness of it that 00:01:35.426 --> 00:01:39.790 was better than like say you can make at home just by pouring in some... 00:01:39.790 --> 00:01:43.473 Well, first off, I don't make lattes here at home. So... 00:01:43.473 --> 00:01:44.093 Okay, but... 00:01:44.633 --> 00:01:47.035 I couldn't really give you a good answer to that. 00:01:47.936 --> 00:01:48.497 Fair enough. 00:01:48.497 --> 00:01:49.638 The McRib is back. 00:01:49.638 --> 00:01:55.523 Oh, gross. Alright, so which one is it? 00:01:55.523 --> 00:01:57.345 You said Sierra Nevada. Sierra Nevada's Oktoberfest. 00:01:58.667 --> 00:02:04.552 Alright, so this is a collaboration with Curve Rider. 00:02:04.973 --> 00:02:07.876 I assume that W is a V. That's just an assumption. 00:02:11.867 --> 00:02:16.770 their mutual passions fused fesbeer. Now, I would say this is... 00:02:18.871 --> 00:02:21.533 Very golden. So there's a... 00:02:21.533 --> 00:02:22.654 It's that copperish golden. 00:02:23.655 --> 00:02:28.078 I was looking into this because there is the Martzen style and there's fesbeer, 00:02:28.078 --> 00:02:29.759 which is kind of a lighter Martzen. 00:02:30.299 --> 00:02:31.900 And this looks more like fesbeer. 00:02:32.381 --> 00:02:35.923 Yeah, this one's like a straight up gold color. 00:02:37.784 --> 00:02:44.309 Very clear. Thinking of those pictures that Greg posted today of Polliner Oktoberfest 00:02:44.309 --> 00:02:50.453 right it was way paler than like what I tend to think of as Oktoberfest which 00:02:50.453 --> 00:02:54.716 is more of an amber kind of has ruby highlight kind of color to it. 00:02:54.716 --> 00:03:01.641 Yeah close to like a Vienna lager in terms of the look and ingredients. It needs to warm up. 00:03:01.641 --> 00:03:06.325 Well it's a lager though so you can't warm them up but normally you know they're 00:03:06.325 --> 00:03:07.706 drink at a cooler temperature. 00:03:07.706 --> 00:03:13.630 Yeah you want these to be pretty cold. So this is 6% dirty IBUs and yeah, 00:03:13.630 --> 00:03:17.012 warming up a lager is not always the best choice. 00:03:18.614 --> 00:03:22.656 It just, they, it's not that they're necessarily bad, it's just that they're, 00:03:22.656 --> 00:03:27.440 the crispness goes away and so you lose some of that factor that makes lagers. 00:03:27.440 --> 00:03:31.382 No, I get what you're saying. Every other beer we drink, we warm them up before 00:03:31.382 --> 00:03:34.584 we eat. Yeah. Or drink them, so it's a habit, totally. 00:03:35.285 --> 00:03:38.607 But you know, taste this one and whatnot. For the aroma, what I'm getting on 00:03:38.607 --> 00:03:46.333 this is this kind of sweet, chewy, like quick bread kind of like. 00:03:47.154 --> 00:03:48.615 Yeah, there's honey in there to me. 00:03:48.615 --> 00:03:50.777 Apricot. 00:03:50.777 --> 00:03:57.582 I can see that. Yeah, it's, have you tasted it yet? No. The taste is very bready. 00:03:59.183 --> 00:04:03.806 So fruitiness is not something, but I can see that the sweetness of apricots there. 00:04:04.327 --> 00:04:07.229 Like there's a dried fruit sweetness in this. There's a lot of. 00:04:08.189 --> 00:04:13.313 Yeah, the sweetness, it is kind of fruity or floral, like there's a floral sweetness 00:04:13.313 --> 00:04:15.034 to it, like a nectar or something like that. 00:04:16.255 --> 00:04:18.616 Very bready though, like it's got very yeasty. 00:04:19.417 --> 00:04:24.220 Oh yeah, now that I've tasted it, very bread. 00:04:24.220 --> 00:04:26.662 It doesn't mean the smell of apricots is wrong. 00:04:27.223 --> 00:04:34.007 No, no, I definitely smell apricots, but it's definitely bready. I like it. 00:04:34.007 --> 00:04:34.828 Pretty yummy. 00:04:38.211 --> 00:04:41.512 It's sweet and the coldness prevents it from being cloying. I think that if 00:04:41.512 --> 00:04:43.454 this were to warm up, it would get cloying. 00:04:45.695 --> 00:04:49.238 Yeah, we want it to stay a little bit crisp, you know, and because it has more 00:04:49.238 --> 00:04:53.961 of a malt backbone to it, it could kind of get exactly what you're saying, 00:04:53.961 --> 00:04:57.983 sweeten up and be a little too much, little too thick, too. Enjoy! 00:05:01.892 --> 00:05:05.435 They say a punchy blend of German and American hops. I mean, 00:05:05.435 --> 00:05:11.420 the hopness is there, but it was not on my mind until I even read that. 00:05:13.321 --> 00:05:17.324 Because it's the bread, it's the yeast, and there's a bit of spice to kind of 00:05:17.324 --> 00:05:24.019 lower, I mean, to add some bitterness to lower the sweetness a bit. 00:05:25.351 --> 00:05:27.672 Yeah, Shannon and I had the, oh, sorry, go ahead. 00:05:28.964 --> 00:05:33.497 No, there's, the spice isn't overpowering though, which is nice. 00:05:33.497 --> 00:05:40.522 Mm-hmm. I like the, there's a nice balance there, yeah. Okay. 00:05:40.522 --> 00:05:44.790 Shannon and I were at Hitchhiker this week, surprise, and had their Oktoberfest, 00:05:44.790 --> 00:05:47.667 and it was too damn hoppy. 00:05:48.848 --> 00:05:51.490 Like, it was loud, like it was turned up to 11 or 12, 00:05:51.490 --> 00:05:55.053 and it was a fine beer, 00:05:55.053 --> 00:05:59.976 but it wasn't, Like when I'm getting an Oktoberfest, 00:05:59.976 --> 00:06:04.660 I'm kind of looking for this kind of comfort memory, this thing, 00:06:04.660 --> 00:06:08.002 this, something doesn't always have to be the exact same Oktoberfest, 00:06:08.002 --> 00:06:11.685 but it should be typical for the style, right? 00:06:12.106 --> 00:06:19.121 And theirs was just so loud that I, like I didn't really think it made sense 00:06:19.121 --> 00:06:22.534 to buy a four pack of it to put on the show. 00:06:23.505 --> 00:06:26.276 We got a fruit fly buzzing around, trying to get in our beer. 00:06:30.982 --> 00:06:35.103 And I'm trying to think, did you have opinions on the Hitchhiker? Do you remember? 00:06:37.325 --> 00:06:45.232 I liked it, but not for an Oktoberfest beer. I liked it in general. 00:06:47.093 --> 00:06:51.536 But if I was looking for a real Oktoberfest beer, 00:06:51.536 --> 00:06:57.120 It's not, I mean, it would definitely, if that's what you were in search for, 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:02.684 or in search of, I can't talk tonight, then I think you would be disappointed. 00:07:05.620 --> 00:07:10.363 Another brewery that Shannon ordered it, it was one of those ones where I had 00:07:10.363 --> 00:07:12.245 blinders from back in the day. 00:07:12.245 --> 00:07:16.028 We were at a bar, there's several around Pittsburgh called Dive Bar, 00:07:16.028 --> 00:07:21.472 and we were there, and on tap there was Peak Organic Pilsner. 00:07:21.472 --> 00:07:26.116 And Peak Organic is a brewery that was making beer the first day Craft Beer 00:07:26.116 --> 00:07:27.597 Radio started back in 2005. 00:07:28.418 --> 00:07:33.601 They were widely available in Pittsburgh back in those heady days of where you 00:07:33.601 --> 00:07:36.564 could get, you know, 30, 40 different breweries at the bottle shop. 00:07:40.308 --> 00:07:43.189 And it always left Greg and I, Greg, you might remember this, 00:07:43.189 --> 00:07:44.850 you might not, but it always left me disappointed. 00:07:45.351 --> 00:07:50.215 Like it always felt like it left something on the table. And we weren't sure 00:07:50.215 --> 00:07:53.757 if it was the brewery or if it was because of organic ingredients. 00:07:53.757 --> 00:07:57.180 And that sounds kind of counter today in 2023 when organics been around for 00:07:57.180 --> 00:08:01.974 so long and usually means high quality ingredients, you know, 00:08:01.974 --> 00:08:06.147 maybe not, but you know, at least that's what marketing leads most people to think, right? 00:08:08.109 --> 00:08:13.372 And I can't remember ever really liking a Peak Organic, and Shannon ordered 00:08:13.372 --> 00:08:16.214 the Pilsner, and I didn't even really notice it. I didn't give it, 00:08:16.214 --> 00:08:19.797 you know, any kind of consideration on the draft list because it was just, 00:08:19.797 --> 00:08:22.699 oh, it's just old Pink Organic, but it was fantastic. 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:27.763 It was. It was really, really good. So I don't know if better brewer, 00:08:27.763 --> 00:08:31.306 brewery's trying harder, ingredients are better, I don't know. 00:08:31.306 --> 00:08:36.570 But I wanted to spend some time and just kind of, A, everyone listening who 00:08:36.570 --> 00:08:41.643 maybe doesn't pay attention to peak organic, because they used to be ho-hum, 00:08:41.643 --> 00:08:45.897 try the Pilsner, and there are other things, because it was really, really good. 00:08:45.897 --> 00:08:51.821 It was, and you were even shocked at the fact that I ordered it in the first place. 00:08:52.442 --> 00:08:55.124 I was surprised that you ordered a Pilsner. 00:08:55.544 --> 00:08:59.968 I mean, you know, it's- not something I would typically order. 00:08:59.968 --> 00:09:04.331 You're not in the habit of going to the loggers. I'm barely in the habit of 00:09:04.331 --> 00:09:06.493 going to the loggers. I wouldn't even call it a habit for me. 00:09:06.493 --> 00:09:11.477 So it's definitely been my go-to in the past year or so. It's been loggers. 00:09:11.847 --> 00:09:16.201 When I see them, I react very favorably towards a Kraft logger. 00:09:17.121 --> 00:09:19.903 Peak Organic is out of Maine, for those who are wondering. 00:09:19.903 --> 00:09:21.484 So maybe that's why you like it so much. 00:09:21.484 --> 00:09:24.086 That's why I like it. Shocker. 00:09:24.086 --> 00:09:26.809 Where in Maine are they? Portland. 00:09:26.809 --> 00:09:28.109 Of course they are. 00:09:28.670 --> 00:09:32.353 Well, shit. How come we didn't even notice them when we were in Portland? 00:09:32.353 --> 00:09:33.433 When we go back. 00:09:34.234 --> 00:09:35.235 Apparently they have a farm. 00:09:35.715 --> 00:09:41.579 Next month. Then next month. Yeah. You know, we're already going to be halfway there. 00:09:41.579 --> 00:09:44.861 She keeps, she's like tentatively scheduling our next trip. Like, 00:09:44.861 --> 00:09:46.982 oh, don't you know, we're going to Maine in three weeks. 00:09:47.923 --> 00:09:54.166 I mean, if you think Pittsburgh gets cold, Maine gets, Maine is near like the Arctic. 00:09:54.166 --> 00:09:58.188 Yeah, I'm fine with that because it's not bipolar. Once it's cold, 00:09:58.188 --> 00:09:59.709 it's cold. It stays that way. 00:10:00.249 --> 00:10:03.070 Your body has time to adjust to it, here. 00:10:05.003 --> 00:10:12.479 The weather's bipolar. Yeah, it's 21 day and it's 45 the next and then it's 00:10:12.479 --> 00:10:21.235 36 and raining every day except for four days in the winter where it drops back down into the teens. 00:10:21.235 --> 00:10:21.435 Yeah. 00:10:21.435 --> 00:10:22.576 And then it's back up. 00:10:22.576 --> 00:10:25.378 And occasionally every, I don't know, seven or eight years there's a blizzard. 00:10:25.378 --> 00:10:26.139 Yeah, yeah. 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.963 There we go. I just raised your gain a little bit Shannon. I think you're coming 00:10:30.963 --> 00:10:32.264 a little bit It's stronger now, so. Cool. 00:10:33.165 --> 00:10:37.047 Just do what you're comfortable with. Don't get on the mic, because now you'll be too loud. Oh, okay. 00:10:37.878 --> 00:10:42.031 So you guys mentioned fruit flies, and that brings me to a subject that I want 00:10:42.031 --> 00:10:46.875 to talk about, which is I recently started growing herbs in an aero garden. 00:10:46.875 --> 00:10:49.076 Okay. So I don't know, have you seen these? 00:10:50.398 --> 00:10:52.239 Either of you? No, I don't think so. 00:10:52.239 --> 00:10:53.120 The hydroponic thing? 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:54.140 Oh, okay. 00:10:54.140 --> 00:10:58.624 Yeah, so it's a tabletop hydroponic, about the size of a bread box. 00:11:00.306 --> 00:11:04.308 Um, and right now I am growing six herbs in it. 00:11:04.849 --> 00:11:08.451 It'll be hard to pay, play 20 questions with it. If it's about the size of a bread box. 00:11:10.254 --> 00:11:15.196 Uh, and it's got a little light on it. And the thing is that it's hydroponics. 00:11:15.196 --> 00:11:18.179 There's no soil to deal with. You're just water, a tank of water, 00:11:18.179 --> 00:11:23.663 uh, and a pump that pumps it. You give it food at once every two weeks. 00:11:23.663 --> 00:11:25.744 There's a little thing of food that comes with it. 00:11:26.085 --> 00:11:28.026 And the light is on for 15 hours a day. 00:11:33.791 --> 00:11:39.275 And it's working so well. I'm just I'm so excited because this is a product 00:11:39.275 --> 00:11:42.257 that does what it says it will do on the on the tin. 00:11:43.708 --> 00:11:47.000 After three weeks, everything was sprouting. Everything was coming in. 00:11:47.361 --> 00:11:52.124 It's been six weeks, six and a half weeks. I have bountiful herbs. 00:11:52.124 --> 00:11:55.927 Nice. With the exception of one that the partially is slow, but I think that's 00:11:55.927 --> 00:11:57.468 just the partially is slow. 00:12:00.951 --> 00:12:07.976 Here is a, here's my current herb garden and you can see how that's, 00:12:07.976 --> 00:12:09.037 you know, it's impressive. 00:12:09.278 --> 00:12:12.720 And this is, I'm someone with a brown thumb. I can't grow anything. 00:12:14.582 --> 00:12:16.042 We should start one. 00:12:16.243 --> 00:12:17.714 And this is what it started with. 00:12:20.006 --> 00:12:22.667 This was about two weeks in, two and a half. 00:12:23.598 --> 00:12:25.679 We should start one. Okay. 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:30.713 Okay. So what happened was I got it, and so this was, yeah, this was like three 00:12:30.713 --> 00:12:32.974 weeks in. And so you can see the growth. 00:12:34.623 --> 00:12:35.834 that happens. Cool. 00:12:35.834 --> 00:12:40.227 So these are for people who can't see the pictures. It's about the size of a 00:12:40.227 --> 00:12:45.240 bread box. And then the plants, the seeds come in almost like K cup sized things 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:47.232 that I guess sit down in the water. 00:12:47.232 --> 00:12:52.416 Yes. So there's like a, there's stuff, it's sort of a cone shape thing that goes into the water. 00:12:54.118 --> 00:12:57.799 And so you keep adding water to it cause it, you know, these plants, 00:12:57.799 --> 00:12:59.791 especially as they're growing, they're going to drink up the water. 00:13:01.222 --> 00:13:04.144 Every two weeks you add food, like I said, and in four weeks you dump out the 00:13:04.144 --> 00:13:05.185 water and put new water in. 00:13:05.345 --> 00:13:08.207 But that's the extent of anything that needs to be done. 00:13:08.207 --> 00:13:14.612 I got some pruning shears that were like $8 on Amazon so I could do this unnecessary 00:13:14.612 --> 00:13:19.255 pruning because otherwise it just kind of grows out of bounds and you do want 00:13:19.255 --> 00:13:23.278 to prune it because that encourages it to drink, to grow properly. 00:13:25.781 --> 00:13:30.324 But you just let it go and it does what it needs to do. So the thing that I 00:13:30.324 --> 00:13:34.267 would say is not a drawback, but it is something that you have to be aware of 00:13:34.267 --> 00:13:37.249 is that if you have a lot of plants like that growing in your house, 00:13:37.249 --> 00:13:38.330 you're going to get bugs. Yeah. 00:13:40.232 --> 00:13:44.154 So I had a little bit of a flea problem or not flea, a little bit of a gnat problem. 00:13:47.057 --> 00:13:52.521 And the way I've gotten around it, the way I figured out how to get through 00:13:52.521 --> 00:13:55.363 it is because I had a problem. 00:13:55.363 --> 00:13:59.026 We had like, if I opened a beer or something, there would be lots of flies going 00:13:59.026 --> 00:14:02.548 for it. Everywhere. Because I thought, okay, think like a pitcher plant. 00:14:03.529 --> 00:14:07.732 I got a little ramekin and put in water and like two tablespoons of sugar and 00:14:07.732 --> 00:14:10.554 just mix it up until the sugar was completely dissolved. 00:14:10.835 --> 00:14:16.179 So that's going to attract these bugs. And then I put one or two drops of dishwashing fluid in it. 00:14:16.179 --> 00:14:17.700 Yep. 00:14:17.700 --> 00:14:20.482 That's exactly what he does. That's what we make too. And the soap breaks the 00:14:20.482 --> 00:14:24.145 surface tension. So the bugs get sucked right in and drowned. So. 00:14:25.036 --> 00:14:31.931 It's perfect, and it worked so well. Yeah. It's just, yeah. Let the magic of 00:14:31.931 --> 00:14:33.031 surfactants do their work. 00:14:33.031 --> 00:14:33.712 Mm-hmm. 00:14:33.712 --> 00:14:41.338 Yep. I, uh, we had ants, and I bought, you know, those tarot trap things, 00:14:41.338 --> 00:14:43.379 and it wasn't getting rid of the ants. 00:14:43.760 --> 00:14:46.361 So then I looked online. I was like, oh, I gotta buy something else. 00:14:46.361 --> 00:14:48.022 And I'm like, let's Google for DIY. 00:14:48.503 --> 00:14:56.429 And if you just mix, um, I think it's 50% by weight sugar and borax and make a paste. 00:14:57.280 --> 00:15:00.292 It, I made it once and it like wiped out the ends. 00:15:00.292 --> 00:15:01.733 So they're the little tiny ones. 00:15:01.894 --> 00:15:05.636 Oh, those are the worst. Yeah. That reminds me that my parents are telling me 00:15:05.636 --> 00:15:11.480 that they read online, cause they had a problem with deer is hanging out and 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:14.663 eating their stuff. And then what they read online was Irish spring. 00:15:14.663 --> 00:15:16.763 They hate the scent of Irish spring. 00:15:16.763 --> 00:15:17.963 I've heard that, yeah. 00:15:17.963 --> 00:15:18.863 It's true, apparently. 00:15:19.818 --> 00:15:23.680 We should buy some and hang it in the trees all around the- 00:15:24.271 --> 00:15:29.004 I remember when I was in elementary school, I think, it was one of those things, 00:15:29.004 --> 00:15:32.206 you can probably relate, right, where you're supposed to tell your parents to 00:15:32.206 --> 00:15:35.789 prep and bring something in, you know, and you don't do it till the very last day. 00:15:36.189 --> 00:15:38.651 And we were doing soap carving in our class or something like that. 00:15:40.012 --> 00:15:43.955 And so I asked my mom for a bar of soap the very last time and we were an Irish Spring household. 00:15:44.295 --> 00:15:48.398 And she was a-mad that she had these, the good Irish Spring you could have bought 00:15:48.398 --> 00:15:49.839 a bar of Dove or something. 00:15:50.900 --> 00:15:55.343 And then everyone else had white soap and I was the only one with green soap. 00:15:55.343 --> 00:15:59.256 I felt like such a dingus, you know, like, you know, just all the stupid elementary 00:15:59.256 --> 00:16:03.620 school things, right? Where you're the oddball and you just feel like, you hate it so much. 00:16:03.620 --> 00:16:07.032 But the room smelled fresher because of you, right? 00:16:07.773 --> 00:16:13.498 And then when I, I didn't get the concept of carving, I guess, 00:16:13.498 --> 00:16:19.963 because what I, I carved like an eagle, but like a cookie cutter version of an Eagle, right? 00:16:19.963 --> 00:16:24.606 Just so just like straight down, like no three dimensionality or nothing. 00:16:24.606 --> 00:16:27.809 Oh, well, elementary school, right? I know. 00:16:28.950 --> 00:16:35.155 But so my parents, admittedly, what they say is that it's all anecdotal, 00:16:35.155 --> 00:16:39.138 but because they're not like they have cameras on there, but they used to notice 00:16:39.138 --> 00:16:43.761 deer and stuff hanging out. What's the matter? 00:16:43.761 --> 00:16:48.044 We haven't even introduced the spear and we're still having this conversation and he's smelling it. 00:16:49.045 --> 00:16:51.067 I don't care. No, there's no protocol. 00:16:53.709 --> 00:16:58.662 Um, my parents are so that, yeah, they say that they, they used to notice deer 00:16:58.662 --> 00:17:04.616 just hanging out all the time. And now it's very rare that they even see a deer in there, uh, around. 00:17:05.237 --> 00:17:11.842 Um, and so again, it's not like they're checking, but my theory is the Irish 00:17:11.842 --> 00:17:15.815 spring doesn't necessarily like completely repel them, but it makes their place 00:17:15.815 --> 00:17:18.007 a lot less comfortable to be in than other places around. 00:17:18.007 --> 00:17:22.290 Yeah. We'll have to give it a try. 00:17:22.290 --> 00:17:25.011 Yeah, because it's always tick season here. 00:17:25.272 --> 00:17:31.897 No, not like we've noticed catching any, but we could try putting some around 00:17:31.897 --> 00:17:34.239 the flowers in the spring when they bloom and see if they don't get eaten. 00:17:34.239 --> 00:17:37.140 Oh, my tulips. Yeah, it'd be really nice. 00:17:37.140 --> 00:17:42.163 All right. So this next beer is Helltown Brewing Company here in the Pittsburgh area. 00:17:43.204 --> 00:17:49.488 Now, this is a Martsen. You can tell the color right away, the color difference. It's much more amber. 00:17:51.145 --> 00:17:53.206 It's got I have floaties. 00:17:53.667 --> 00:17:54.467 Yeah floaties, huh? 00:17:54.467 --> 00:17:54.767 Yeah, 00:17:57.139 --> 00:18:01.012 it was a little chunky at the bottom of the can I tried to distribute them but 00:18:01.012 --> 00:18:03.744 you missed out on the floaties They're an export. 00:18:04.575 --> 00:18:09.418 They have a couple different tap rooms. They've one right downtown Didn't I 00:18:09.418 --> 00:18:10.499 just open one in the strip? 00:18:10.940 --> 00:18:13.141 Well, that's what I meant. Oh by downtown. 00:18:13.141 --> 00:18:19.085 Oh, okay and it's not technically downtown, but yeah, that's walking distance 00:18:19.085 --> 00:18:23.949 of here So all I got on this, because the Helltown Brewery doesn't have anything 00:18:23.949 --> 00:18:27.311 on it, so I went to untap. This is 6%. 6%. I'll call my volume. 00:18:29.593 --> 00:18:33.636 The aroma on this one is more sequestered than the last one. 00:18:34.197 --> 00:18:38.980 It is bready. It's more like that white bread crust type of aroma, 00:18:38.980 --> 00:18:44.525 where the last one was more like quick bread, you know, cake kind of flavorings. Yeah. 00:18:46.226 --> 00:18:52.951 I haven't tasted it yet, but... It doesn't smell as inviting as the last one. 00:18:53.391 --> 00:18:56.934 It is a little bit of a deeper thing, a little bit spicier in the hop, 00:18:56.934 --> 00:19:02.268 but not like super like hoppy, but more like rye bread in terms of like, 00:19:02.268 --> 00:19:05.380 maybe there's a deeper like molasses in there. 00:19:05.841 --> 00:19:10.184 It's nice that it has that kind of spice to it, as opposed to just tasting like 00:19:10.184 --> 00:19:12.565 bread crust, like plain bread crust. 00:19:13.927 --> 00:19:18.490 The spiciness is, yeah, it's kind of bordering on rye. I think that's probably 00:19:18.490 --> 00:19:21.152 from like Noble Hops giving it the spiciness. 00:19:21.152 --> 00:19:24.274 I don't think this is that, because I think you'd taste the rye if it was here, 00:19:24.274 --> 00:19:27.116 but I'm just thinking of like darker bread. 00:19:28.277 --> 00:19:32.730 Yeah, it's pretty dry. Like compared to the last one, this one has a lot drier 00:19:32.730 --> 00:19:35.481 mid palate to it and finish. What do you think? 00:19:35.481 --> 00:19:35.781 Huh? 00:19:44.313 --> 00:19:50.098 It's definitely drier. Um, more what I. 00:19:50.098 --> 00:20:00.885 Yeah, it's kind of like a, you said the rye bread, that the crust off of a rye 00:20:00.885 --> 00:20:04.448 bread would be a good way to describe it, I think. 00:20:04.869 --> 00:20:08.651 Or if you went like really deep and dark with a regular white bread, 00:20:08.651 --> 00:20:10.593 you might be able to get a crust that was sort of like this. 00:20:11.573 --> 00:20:13.235 A lot of caramelization going on. 00:20:13.615 --> 00:20:15.376 Their marketing speaks spot on though. 00:20:18.779 --> 00:20:22.881 This lager with a celebratory history is brewed with German tradition hops to 00:20:22.881 --> 00:20:24.843 create subtle notes of herbs and spice. 00:20:24.843 --> 00:20:32.929 A rich, bready aroma leads to a slightly sweet and malt-forward flavor followed 00:20:32.929 --> 00:20:35.070 by a finish that is crisp and semi-dry. 00:20:36.291 --> 00:20:39.673 This isn't as yeasty as the other one. The other one had a lot of like a big 00:20:39.673 --> 00:20:41.014 yeasty bread type thing. 00:20:43.596 --> 00:20:47.549 I like this. It's just very different from the last one. 00:20:49.101 --> 00:20:54.744 I kind of think I like this version more. I think I, not that the Sierra Nevada 00:20:54.744 --> 00:20:59.528 was bad at all, but I think that I, especially if I were to drink something more often than. 00:20:59.988 --> 00:21:05.992 Yeah, I mean, we only had four ounces, right? So that one, having the sweeter 00:21:05.992 --> 00:21:10.737 representation of it for a four-round sample kind of like hits you quick and 00:21:10.737 --> 00:21:11.598 gets you like acclimated. 00:21:13.661 --> 00:21:17.104 Think about drinking a liter of an Oktoberfest, right? Like, 00:21:17.104 --> 00:21:18.546 cause they traditionally come in liter mugs. 00:21:20.649 --> 00:21:25.694 This one might be better suited for the session. you know, that kind of thing. 00:21:26.978 --> 00:21:34.923 Well, I think another comparison might be this thing that we have sort of in 00:21:34.923 --> 00:21:36.764 waiting, threatening us. 00:21:38.836 --> 00:21:42.128 Let's wait on that. I don't want to mess up my taste buds. 00:21:43.809 --> 00:21:45.330 It will all be revealed soon. 00:21:48.292 --> 00:21:50.653 We should, I think we, I'll talk about later. 00:21:52.935 --> 00:21:58.128 Um, One thing that I put in our like kind of ideas for conversation topics is 00:21:58.128 --> 00:22:02.080 kind of history repeating itself, like ales preceding lagers, right? 00:22:02.961 --> 00:22:09.085 In antiquity, right? Beers were ales for millennia until, 00:22:09.085 --> 00:22:16.820 you know, like the 14th century or so when in Europe lager use was isolated 00:22:16.820 --> 00:22:18.891 and lager started being a thing. 00:22:18.891 --> 00:22:29.438 Right. We don't know when Pistorius, the breed of yeast that is used in loggers, came about. 00:22:29.438 --> 00:22:33.721 It could have come about as early as that, or it could have been around in nature 00:22:33.721 --> 00:22:35.983 for a long time. It could have been just a mutation. 00:22:35.983 --> 00:22:39.666 Well, I mean, I think about it, it's probably, I mean, I would assume that it 00:22:39.666 --> 00:22:49.513 is in nature, but is out-competed, unless you isolate it and put it in the right conditions, right? 00:22:49.513 --> 00:22:54.437 So if you just have a beer that you're fermenting at ale temperatures, 00:22:54.437 --> 00:22:59.824 and there's some fraction of lager yeast in there, it's going to be out competing, right? 00:23:03.811 --> 00:23:09.819 So when they started, you know, the evolution of lagering beer was ... 00:23:12.247 --> 00:23:16.550 Probably not a single specific thing, but you know, they were conditioning beer 00:23:16.550 --> 00:23:21.674 in caves and it was colder temperature Different yeast was propagating at those temperatures, right? 00:23:21.674 --> 00:23:28.318 And then it was isolated and refined and whatnot It's more technology then, 00:23:28.318 --> 00:23:35.403 you know just making ale because You can make ale Just with spontaneous fermentation 00:23:35.403 --> 00:23:38.706 and all kinds of things I guess the question then is if you were making ale 00:23:38.706 --> 00:23:46.181 like in Siberia would you have found that it would tend to be more lagerish? 00:23:47.703 --> 00:23:49.294 That's a curious question. 00:23:53.877 --> 00:23:58.741 It's a very interesting question. I probably would think that if you weren't, 00:23:58.741 --> 00:24:03.864 I don't know, like there's intentionality and then accident, right? 00:24:03.864 --> 00:24:09.008 And like, if it's not intentional, then you have this longer to produce more 00:24:09.008 --> 00:24:13.271 materials intensive, you know, time intensive process. 00:24:13.271 --> 00:24:17.119 Um, but you know, 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:22.178 a, a scenario where it's the only way you get beer, you know, 00:24:22.178 --> 00:24:25.600 would be curious to, if we could, like, if a historian had that, 00:24:25.600 --> 00:24:29.403 um, you know, maybe in the Alps, you know, or something like that. 00:24:29.403 --> 00:24:33.185 I mean, it, it, it's, it's pretty apparent that people who would have been brewing 00:24:33.185 --> 00:24:37.243 in Tiberia probably didn't keep good enough records for us to know. So... 00:24:37.243 --> 00:24:41.540 I would presume that brewing happened in the summertime and they made kvass. 00:24:41.540 --> 00:24:42.281 Yeah. 00:24:42.281 --> 00:24:47.110 Things like that. But like so that was in antiquity and then, 00:24:48.643 --> 00:24:54.347 you know, there's like in early colonial times, right. It was all ales. 00:24:54.347 --> 00:25:00.051 And then loggers took over at, you know, kind of post pro post prohibition. 00:25:00.051 --> 00:25:07.957 Once refrigeration became easier. I think that both for early like 1890s, 00:25:07.957 --> 00:25:13.621 like there was more refrigeration in terms of you were able to get a supply 00:25:13.621 --> 00:25:15.563 chain for ice and stuff like that to where you were. Yeah. 00:25:17.745 --> 00:25:24.350 Or the infrastructure to dig caves, things like that, where in the 1700s and 00:25:24.350 --> 00:25:26.752 whatnot, American beer was ales. 00:25:27.713 --> 00:25:31.835 German beers were lagers, but America didn't have the infrastructure to make lagers. 00:25:32.156 --> 00:25:39.201 America's lower than Germany is for most of it in terms of where it is on the 00:25:39.201 --> 00:25:41.463 world, so you'd expect it's going to be more humid and more ... 00:25:41.463 --> 00:25:46.366 Right. So ales preceded lagers a second time. And then in craft beer, 00:25:46.366 --> 00:25:47.907 it's a different reason. 00:25:48.468 --> 00:25:51.369 Ales, I think there's several reasons that ales preceded lagers. 00:25:51.369 --> 00:25:55.052 Like ales turned faster and were less resource intensive to make. 00:25:55.052 --> 00:25:59.394 So, and then I think a big part of it for you and I specifically, 00:25:59.394 --> 00:26:04.257 and probably a lot of people in our generation, is ooh, new flavors that's not 00:26:04.257 --> 00:26:12.443 in my dad's beer, you know, and so we all gravitated towards ales and I remember not liking lagers. 00:26:12.443 --> 00:26:15.450 I thought they tasted tinny or penny-like or something like that. 00:26:17.649 --> 00:26:21.392 And then, you know, we finally learned to taste and enjoy lagers. 00:26:21.392 --> 00:26:26.296 The first lager I enjoyed was Great Lakes L8NS, which was a Vienna lager, kind of like Sam Adams. 00:26:26.857 --> 00:26:30.539 And, you know, shortly after that, I learned that Sam Adams is a good one, too. 00:26:32.281 --> 00:26:36.103 But it wasn't very popular in craft beer. And now, like, the past couple of 00:26:36.103 --> 00:26:38.725 years, right, it's crazy. It's like the thing. 00:26:39.887 --> 00:26:41.507 So that's like three times. 00:26:41.507 --> 00:26:43.349 It's not the thing. The thing is Hazy's. 00:26:43.369 --> 00:26:44.550 Well, OK, so. 00:26:45.811 --> 00:26:50.715 Like, if you go to your average craft beer place, it's going to be hard. 00:26:50.715 --> 00:26:54.858 You're not, you're going to have 10 hazes on tap, maybe a lager. 00:26:54.858 --> 00:26:56.780 But lagers are surging right now. 00:26:56.780 --> 00:26:57.760 Good. 00:26:57.760 --> 00:27:00.883 Yeah. Definitely have noticed more lagers. 00:27:00.883 --> 00:27:02.364 They're surging. And... 00:27:02.364 --> 00:27:06.087 I mean, one thing to think about though, is that this is the time of year where lagers surge. 00:27:06.087 --> 00:27:09.770 No, I mean, over the past like year and a half, they've started the surge. 00:27:10.170 --> 00:27:11.131 I haven't noticed it. 00:27:11.131 --> 00:27:17.495 Okay. Well, we went to 42 breweries in the past. 00:27:17.495 --> 00:27:22.478 You have a, you have more of a- 17 days. You definitely have a larger sample than I do. 00:27:22.659 --> 00:27:29.103 So like the thing that got me thinking about this is like, is there some kind 00:27:29.103 --> 00:27:36.489 of like, what is it that it takes time, but it drives drinkers to prefer lagers? Like, I don't know. 00:27:36.549 --> 00:27:39.671 That's a little premature to say craft beer drinkers are going to prefer lagers, 00:27:39.671 --> 00:27:45.075 But like it's already happened twice before you know like in history like is 00:27:45.075 --> 00:27:46.216 it going to happen again? 00:27:48.218 --> 00:27:53.822 Well All right, so there's a lot of factors here, so I don't know How to answer 00:27:53.822 --> 00:27:57.945 that or how to begin to try to answer it right because I mean first of all I 00:27:57.945 --> 00:28:01.228 think okay Well, it's just a pendulum swing back and forth right then that's part of it, 00:28:02.549 --> 00:28:12.108 also a big part of the big part of the So how big loggers got was the industrialization 00:28:12.108 --> 00:28:16.186 of the loggering process by people like Anheuser-Busch. 00:28:20.174 --> 00:28:23.175 and understand and making that into a commodity product. 00:28:26.178 --> 00:28:32.462 Doing that large scale, I don't know whether it's cheap or necessarily do it for lagers, 00:28:32.462 --> 00:28:41.178 but it's certainly what they landed on and what a lot of, you know, 00:28:41.178 --> 00:28:45.151 the huge scale commodity beers, 00:28:46.372 --> 00:28:48.193 I can't think of one that's an ale. 00:28:49.755 --> 00:28:56.419 Oh, yeah, no, it's lager. So there's something about, if you take a wide enough 00:28:56.419 --> 00:28:59.401 drinking audience, they prefer lager flavors. 00:29:00.402 --> 00:29:04.824 And that hasn't, if you take all of beer drinkers for the last 30 years, 00:29:04.824 --> 00:29:09.307 it really hasn't changed at all, right? I mean, Bud Light, Budweiser sells so 00:29:09.307 --> 00:29:12.269 much beer, but like used to sell a lot of beer. 00:29:15.252 --> 00:29:16.532 It was more of just like... 00:29:16.532 --> 00:29:17.893 Because they went woke. Yep. 00:29:17.893 --> 00:29:20.996 It was more of, this whole thing was more of just this ponderous thought of 00:29:20.996 --> 00:29:26.080 like, like almost like, you know, things want to get to their lowest energy state kind of thing. 00:29:26.481 --> 00:29:30.183 Like, like thinking of that, like there's some kind of trend towards lagers 00:29:30.183 --> 00:29:35.407 and there's this pendulum and it, you know, goes back and forth and there's 00:29:35.407 --> 00:29:39.070 revolution and this and that, but it, it seems that maybe it's more, 00:29:39.070 --> 00:29:40.811 maybe pendulum is a better way to think of it. 00:29:40.811 --> 00:29:46.015 But it's like, you know, over history, it's at least three times where loggers have like taken on. 00:29:46.015 --> 00:29:49.338 I mean, the principle of least action should come into play. 00:29:49.338 --> 00:29:56.764 It's a universal principle, so it should manifest itself all over the place. So. All right. 00:29:56.764 --> 00:29:58.405 So now we have fat heads. 00:29:59.926 --> 00:30:01.947 Back to a thesphere. Yes. 00:30:01.947 --> 00:30:05.751 It is. Yes. 00:30:05.751 --> 00:30:08.092 So, pale, straw color. Mm-hm. 00:30:14.126 --> 00:30:14.957 Let's see, this one... 00:30:14.957 --> 00:30:18.059 Not as bready on the nose at all. 00:30:18.220 --> 00:30:22.642 Yeah, this one has a little bit more of... It's similar, it's more similar to 00:30:22.642 --> 00:30:28.967 the first one, where it has a touch of like honey bread versus wonder bread 00:30:28.967 --> 00:30:30.428 crust, you know, that kind of thing. 00:30:30.829 --> 00:30:33.811 And the colors kind of corroborate that as well. 00:30:34.311 --> 00:30:40.195 This one is 5% alcohol by volume, 25 IBU, and they call it a Fesbier. 00:30:40.756 --> 00:30:42.077 They say it's Bavarian style. 00:30:42.157 --> 00:30:47.421 The Varian style, yes. The Varian style sauerkraut. 00:30:49.923 --> 00:30:51.804 As you said that, I was smelling it for some reason. 00:30:51.804 --> 00:31:02.132 Yeah. It has, um, it's intensity of aroma is tighter than the very first beer. 00:31:02.473 --> 00:31:06.435 Um, but it does have that kind of sweet honey, kind of honey bread type thing. 00:31:07.036 --> 00:31:11.940 Okay. So just took a taste. In comparison to the other beers, 00:31:11.940 --> 00:31:14.341 It tastes almost sour. Really? 00:31:14.341 --> 00:31:15.562 I haven't tasted it yet. 00:31:15.562 --> 00:31:22.928 It has, it doesn't have the bready body to it. It has more of a cremal type 00:31:22.928 --> 00:31:26.871 flavor, like a corn type thing. Thinner body, lower attenuation. 00:31:27.191 --> 00:31:30.934 It's probably a little bit of DMS on this, speaking of something else that we can talk about. 00:31:30.934 --> 00:31:32.495 Corn type? What do you got? 00:31:33.756 --> 00:31:41.643 I have not tasted it yet. Just on the nose, it's reminding me of the ones that 00:31:41.643 --> 00:31:45.866 we did a month ago or whatever from Hill Farmstead. 00:31:47.108 --> 00:31:55.033 Okay Like a saison or something like yes You know, I mean because it's so thin 00:31:55.033 --> 00:31:57.735 and dry and has a tartness to it. 00:31:58.195 --> 00:32:02.798 I could see where this is It has a tartness to because of what it's missing 00:32:02.798 --> 00:32:07.021 not because of what what's in it. It's missing a malt backbone What's there 00:32:07.021 --> 00:32:08.762 is like a saltine cracker. 00:32:09.262 --> 00:32:11.263 It's got nothing else. 00:32:12.725 --> 00:32:17.347 So So the hops become noticeable and it tends towards almost a sourness. 00:32:17.347 --> 00:32:24.492 Yeah. Thinking about other lagers, this kind of has a bit of like Italian lager 00:32:24.492 --> 00:32:26.114 type flavor with a body or 00:32:26.244 --> 00:32:34.700 a feel, like with a thinner body, the kind of light malt, maybe not, 00:32:34.700 --> 00:32:36.461 maybe, maybe not like that corn. 00:32:36.461 --> 00:32:42.005 I keep saying it has this corn thing, but it reminds me of kind of like Italian 00:32:42.005 --> 00:32:45.568 lager or something like that. It really doesn't taste like an Oktoberfest. 00:32:45.809 --> 00:32:47.950 Yeah, I don't think the corn thing is wrong. I do think like, 00:32:47.950 --> 00:32:51.933 I would say this is very drinkable. If you had this at a bar, you'd down it quick. 00:32:52.334 --> 00:32:56.777 But if you're- It's only 5%, so. If you're comparing it to these other beers 00:32:56.777 --> 00:32:59.439 we've had, it's noticeably less than. 00:33:01.441 --> 00:33:07.225 I do like the tanginess though. It's kind of like, um, a thirst quencher, 00:33:07.225 --> 00:33:15.011 you know, the like, if I'm drinking for the session at an Oktoberfest or something 00:33:15.011 --> 00:33:16.392 like that, it fatheads Oktoberfest. 00:33:16.853 --> 00:33:22.477 Um, especially if it's a warm, sunny day, that kind of tangy thing is pretty 00:33:22.477 --> 00:33:24.939 thirst quenching. I could see it having its place. 00:33:24.939 --> 00:33:30.724 Yeah, no, again, I don't want to overly insult the beer. Cause it's not like there's bad flavors. 00:33:30.724 --> 00:33:33.906 Do you think like a lavender thing or something like that, like this, 00:33:33.906 --> 00:33:35.407 like it's in the late aftertaste? 00:33:35.407 --> 00:33:36.668 I think it has the hops, I think. 00:33:36.828 --> 00:33:38.269 Yeah, but it has this kind of floral... 00:33:39.250 --> 00:33:39.770 It does. 00:33:40.791 --> 00:33:45.374 Polony thing. Mm-hmm. 00:33:45.374 --> 00:33:46.514 Yeah, a little bit. 00:33:50.637 --> 00:33:55.360 I guess when my expectations are primed by the big sweetness when I get this, 00:33:55.360 --> 00:34:04.808 it feels, uh, so different that I'm, my, I'm having trouble adapting to it. 00:34:05.148 --> 00:34:10.792 It's because you're expecting an October 1st and it really doesn't resemble an October 1st. 00:34:10.792 --> 00:34:11.933 No, it really doesn't. 00:34:11.933 --> 00:34:16.157 If I had this at, you know, a brew pub, I would think it's getting infected. 00:34:16.657 --> 00:34:19.999 And I thought didn't cross my mind until just now now. 00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:24.103 I'm not sure Mm-hmm, but like if I had this on tap at a brew pub, 00:34:24.103 --> 00:34:31.148 I'd be like dude your beers infected, you know Low low attenuation that tanginess 00:34:31.148 --> 00:34:37.313 it it does have all the hallmarks of like a dirty tap line infected Draft beer. 00:34:39.194 --> 00:34:42.977 Yeah Yeah, fine, but we do have a second can of this Yeah, 00:34:42.977 --> 00:34:46.200 you think it's worth trying a different can to see if it has a different they 00:34:46.200 --> 00:34:47.581 come from the same place Yeah, 00:34:47.581 --> 00:34:55.947 then I don't think so Yeah, probably from the same case so So only if there 00:34:55.947 --> 00:35:00.490 was a packaging with this can but I mean the seams not popped or anything so Yeah, 00:35:00.490 --> 00:35:14.021 this what's the date on this guy July 17, it's crazy July, they're canning. 00:35:14.021 --> 00:35:17.323 I mean, that's when you have to have it out for. You gotta have it prepared. 00:35:17.323 --> 00:35:21.426 You can't just, if you do it two weeks before and then there's a mess up in 00:35:21.426 --> 00:35:25.429 your supply for whatever reason, all of a sudden you don't have a beer to sell. 00:35:26.049 --> 00:35:31.473 So I get it, you gotta prepare, but especially if you have a lot of distribution to do. 00:35:32.694 --> 00:35:37.878 So just kinda, I only posted this in because it's funny, but there's this article 00:35:37.878 --> 00:35:42.641 about the James Webb a space telescope that they found tantalizing signs of 00:35:42.641 --> 00:35:45.063 possible life on a faraway world. 00:35:46.825 --> 00:35:52.309 And the spectroscope found DMS, dimethyl sulfide, which is that kind of green 00:35:52.309 --> 00:35:53.710 bean flavor you get in beer. 00:35:55.351 --> 00:35:59.234 Usually, main culprit is if you don't chill your wort fast enough after you're done boiling. 00:36:00.195 --> 00:36:05.759 Rolling Rock, made here in Pennsylvania, was famous for having tons of DMS because 00:36:05.759 --> 00:36:09.002 their brewery couldn't chill the wort very fast. 00:36:09.722 --> 00:36:13.485 So I posted this in the show, I should have posted it just in the general chat 00:36:13.485 --> 00:36:14.886 so people could have laughed about it. 00:36:15.227 --> 00:36:18.649 But I posted this in the show notes and then my commentary was they need the 00:36:18.649 --> 00:36:22.973 chill the wort faster. Yeah. Got a whole planet of people that are making beer 00:36:22.973 --> 00:36:24.434 that aren't chilling the wort. 00:36:24.434 --> 00:36:27.616 For those who are wondering, I mean, this is the kind of stuff that I do, 00:36:27.616 --> 00:36:29.116 look into when it happens. 00:36:33.695 --> 00:36:36.316 The, the detection was at a pretty low Sigma. It was like 2.3, 00:36:36.316 --> 00:36:41.880 even lower than that. It was like, well, so that's like a one in 66 chance that it's just a fluke. 00:36:42.301 --> 00:36:44.602 And that's, that's too big a chance. 00:36:45.063 --> 00:36:49.986 Uh, and in addition, there's kind of, it's only it's data that's not released yet. 00:36:49.986 --> 00:36:53.849 Cause, cause the James Webb Space Telescope, the data, this team had access 00:36:53.849 --> 00:36:56.310 to it, but the data takes a year for it to get fully public. 00:36:56.310 --> 00:37:03.416 I mean, so no one else did the analysis and it was only analysis through, I think one, one band. 00:37:04.437 --> 00:37:14.684 So I, and, and it was a degenerate analysis in the sense that you, 00:37:14.684 --> 00:37:17.527 other things could be, could be making this signal. 00:37:18.488 --> 00:37:23.392 It's not exclusively DMS that can make this signal. Okay. 00:37:23.392 --> 00:37:30.637 So there's a lot of reasons to think that this is not like It would be a huge 00:37:30.637 --> 00:37:36.421 story were it true But still not necessarily saying that life is there just 00:37:36.421 --> 00:37:40.985 the DMS is there but It is not at all. 00:37:40.985 --> 00:37:44.848 I think the point where you can say yes, there's DMS in the atmosphere of this 00:37:44.848 --> 00:37:50.482 planet All right Triggs our last Oktoberfest not our last beverage this evening, 00:37:50.482 --> 00:37:54.015 but our last Oktoberfest is from trugs and and 6.1%. 00:37:54.015 --> 00:37:54.615 APB. 00:37:54.615 --> 00:38:00.479 Awesome. Had this beer on draft yesterday and it was fantastic. 00:38:02.301 --> 00:38:04.742 So that's part of the whole thing that inspired. 00:38:05.983 --> 00:38:09.405 We went Fassbier Marz and Fassbier Marz because this is Marz. Yes, it is, yes. 00:38:12.087 --> 00:38:18.271 Yeah, super duper clear. This one has a more brownish tint to the gold compared 00:38:18.271 --> 00:38:24.515 to, uh, oh, I guess that was the first one. Yeah. It was like, um, yeah. 00:38:26.497 --> 00:38:31.020 So we went from gold to Amber to gold to dark gold. 00:38:34.743 --> 00:38:36.104 This is more dark gold to me. 00:38:38.016 --> 00:38:44.510 I, I think that I see what you're saying. Okay. I see what you're saying. 00:38:44.732 --> 00:38:48.254 I'm not going to fight over it. I'm not dying on this hill. It's more Marzini. 00:38:48.254 --> 00:38:50.115 Okay. 00:38:50.115 --> 00:38:55.339 This is Hillertal Tradition and Pilsner Munich Malts. As Shannon said, 00:38:55.339 --> 00:38:56.920 it's 6.1% alcohol by volume. Smell on this guy. 00:38:56.920 --> 00:38:58.282 Beautiful. Very bready. 00:39:00.964 --> 00:39:05.527 You get the breadiness. There's a little bit of that Wonder Bread crust flavor, 00:39:05.527 --> 00:39:06.848 but there's more malt character. 00:39:08.249 --> 00:39:14.014 Yeah, as opposed to the closed off aroma from, Uh, was it the Helltown or was it? 00:39:14.254 --> 00:39:17.101 Helltown was pretty closed off and so was the fat heads. 00:39:17.101 --> 00:39:17.361 Yeah. 00:39:20.389 --> 00:39:22.734 This one's very open. and it's got a lot of breadiness to it. 00:39:27.908 --> 00:39:34.533 I mean, this is kind of right smack dab in the middle, what I'm looking for in Oktoberfest, right? 00:39:35.915 --> 00:39:40.157 There's a moderately full body. There's sweet, bready flavor up through it. 00:39:40.157 --> 00:39:44.080 It does dry off at the end, but it doesn't dry prematurely. So you can enjoy 00:39:44.080 --> 00:39:50.225 that kind of Vienna malt and Munich malt in there. And... 00:39:50.225 --> 00:39:52.897 Another factor we didn't mention though, just want to put in here, 00:39:52.897 --> 00:39:55.809 is this has been sitting around the longest and so it means it's warmed up the most. 00:39:58.672 --> 00:40:01.594 So that may be why the rum is more open, for example. 00:40:01.594 --> 00:40:02.174 Maybe. 00:40:02.795 --> 00:40:08.099 It could be. I mean, it was also delicious beer, the two drafts that I had yesterday, so. 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:09.460 And I had one too. 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:10.240 Did you? 00:40:10.240 --> 00:40:12.762 I think so. Cool. Okay, I ordered one. 00:40:13.073 --> 00:40:15.264 But this nails that, like you were saying. 00:40:15.264 --> 00:40:16.906 I ordered a lot of shit. 00:40:16.906 --> 00:40:25.475 That bit of sweet, but not too sweet, bready but not overly yeasty. 00:40:30.941 --> 00:40:36.047 Enough hoppiness to get down but not to at all really influence the palate. 00:40:36.047 --> 00:40:36.587 No. Yeah. 00:40:40.128 --> 00:40:43.030 It's this is the trogues Oktoberfest if you are in 00:40:43.030 --> 00:40:46.432 the trogues market and can get this Get this 00:40:46.432 --> 00:40:49.234 definitely the best Oktoberfest I've had so 00:40:49.234 --> 00:41:02.704 far this year and it is are we driving Past there on our way no to me We are 00:41:02.704 --> 00:41:07.007 going to the Catskill Mountain Maker Camp next week, 00:41:07.007 --> 00:41:09.789 I know No, we can't, like, drive through Hershey to... 00:41:09.789 --> 00:41:14.072 Well, I want to talk about that and not your delusional dream that we're going 00:41:14.072 --> 00:41:14.912 to move to Maine next week. 00:41:14.912 --> 00:41:19.776 No, no, no. To hit, drive through Hershey to get there. I mean, I know it's... 00:41:19.776 --> 00:41:23.759 Do you want the trip to take longer than it has to? There's breweries on the 00:41:23.759 --> 00:41:26.940 way. I got them mapped out. Don't worry. Of course you do. Of course you do. 00:41:27.661 --> 00:41:35.667 So, yeah, so we are, a couple of big developments, I guess, since the last show. 00:41:35.748 --> 00:41:37.588 We've talked about Protohaven a lot. 00:41:38.590 --> 00:41:41.251 Currently Shannon and I are no longer involved with Protohaven. 00:41:42.352 --> 00:41:43.833 I resigned from the board. 00:41:44.334 --> 00:41:45.294 Politics and things. 00:41:48.017 --> 00:41:51.459 So there's that. I was doing a lot of woodturning, you know, 00:41:51.459 --> 00:41:53.120 bowls and stuff. You got that awesome bowl. 00:41:54.041 --> 00:41:56.762 You want it back because now you need it in order to... 00:41:57.043 --> 00:42:01.967 No, no, I don't need it back. No, keep it. It's still like the best bowl that I've made. 00:42:02.047 --> 00:42:05.349 That's why I'm like, maybe you want it back. 00:42:05.910 --> 00:42:09.753 No. No way. from you, I'll just have to make hundreds more until I can make another one that good. 00:42:12.096 --> 00:42:17.599 I bought a lathe on Facebook Marketplace. It's a smaller one than the one at 00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:21.943 Proto Haven, but it's the biggest one that can run 120 volts. 00:42:22.684 --> 00:42:26.747 I'm happy with it so far. I've spent almost all day today out there messing 00:42:26.747 --> 00:42:27.927 around with it. Just today. 00:42:29.310 --> 00:42:29.950 Just today? 00:42:30.291 --> 00:42:31.991 I've done some other stuff, but all day today. 00:42:35.835 --> 00:42:40.078 Then got, then I'm like, oh, okay, now I need a bandsaw so I can make bowl blanks. 00:42:40.078 --> 00:42:45.721 So got this great deal on a— Been a slippery slope. But it was such a good deal. 00:42:46.202 --> 00:42:49.524 A $60 bandsaw. Yeah. And then I had to put $40 of parts in it, 00:42:49.524 --> 00:42:51.426 and now I have good bandsaw. 00:42:51.426 --> 00:42:56.730 I don't know. I came home the other day and there were six Amazon packages sitting 00:42:56.730 --> 00:43:00.893 there piled up on the porch, but there's been deliveries every day this week. 00:43:02.374 --> 00:43:08.338 Most of them are cheap, but so been, you know, got my own kind of shed cleaned 00:43:08.338 --> 00:43:10.719 up and my own woodshop, which is our woodshop. 00:43:11.761 --> 00:43:19.246 Kind of nice not having, it's kind of like, you know, I was in a significant 00:43:19.246 --> 00:43:24.170 leadership role of like volunteer organization at Protohaven and it's been nice 00:43:24.170 --> 00:43:26.171 not having to put that time in. 00:43:27.582 --> 00:43:37.089 So anyway, there's all of that. And then we met back up with the guy that we did our rings with, 00:43:37.089 --> 00:43:43.283 Craig, and he kind of reminded us about the Catskill Mountain Maker Camp. 00:43:43.283 --> 00:43:47.746 So this is up in upstate New York, in the Catskills. He goes every year. 00:43:48.707 --> 00:43:52.449 So we're going to go camping next week up there, and they have like, 00:43:52.449 --> 00:43:54.970 on the weekend they And they have these... 00:43:55.794 --> 00:44:00.578 Like when you buy your ticket you can go and like learn how to weld or Wood 00:44:00.578 --> 00:44:04.050 turn or all this other stuff. Yeah, it sounds like it'll be pretty pretty cool 00:44:04.050 --> 00:44:09.934 And then you hang out after the sun goes down seven thousand people going Bring your mushrooms. 00:44:09.934 --> 00:44:14.037 I'm pretty sure that's what he said something around somewhere around seven 00:44:14.037 --> 00:44:19.041 thousand Yeah, it's an insane amount and well, it's in new york, right? 00:44:19.041 --> 00:44:20.842 So all the weed is good. 00:44:20.842 --> 00:44:26.407 Yeah. No, no, he was talking about how um There's like, you know, 00:44:26.407 --> 00:44:27.668 weed farmers and you're there. 00:44:29.289 --> 00:44:33.232 You know how like the serving size for stuff you can get like in Maine or whatnot, 00:44:33.232 --> 00:44:34.993 it's like 10 milligrams or whatever. 00:44:36.194 --> 00:44:43.840 He had a candy bar, it was a 420 bar. So it was 10 squares. Each one was 42. 00:44:44.180 --> 00:44:49.944 That was like the one that I had, which was 35 each square. 00:44:49.944 --> 00:44:58.350 So 42 each square Insane that's the medical marijuana any time for like 10 bucks. 00:44:58.350 --> 00:45:10.178 Mm-hmm the whole bar not a square That's the story so yeah, we might be looking 00:45:10.178 --> 00:45:11.579 for the farmers up there. 00:45:11.579 --> 00:45:19.504 I don't know we'll see So that'll be fun and I don't know is there anything 00:45:19.504 --> 00:45:20.214 else we want to talk about? 00:45:20.214 --> 00:45:23.582 I did want to talk about, so last time I was here we did karaoke which was a 00:45:23.582 --> 00:45:25.088 blast, it was so much fun. 00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.432 But I wanted to talk about the game that you sort of discovered and we ended 00:45:30.432 --> 00:45:31.833 up playing near the end which was awesome. 00:45:32.214 --> 00:45:35.096 Do you remember? No. 00:45:35.096 --> 00:45:38.879 I was three sheets to the wind by the time. It was what? Three o'clock in the 00:45:38.879 --> 00:45:41.821 morning by the time we finished up that night? Celebrating your birthday? 00:45:41.821 --> 00:45:45.024 It was a late night. It was a late night. 00:45:45.024 --> 00:45:45.324 But, 00:45:47.749 --> 00:45:52.633 Normally you get tired and sort of lose a little bit, but oh, I remember the game. 00:45:53.313 --> 00:45:58.130 Yeah, I Chose what you had to sing and we went around the room kind of doing 00:45:58.130 --> 00:46:01.619 that What you do is you pick somebody that that's an artist that you know The 00:46:01.619 --> 00:46:07.143 other person's gonna like but is also has lots of songs So they're not necessarily 00:46:07.143 --> 00:46:08.674 gonna want to sing the most popular song, 00:46:08.674 --> 00:46:12.627 but they can choose from the list So they then get to choose. 00:46:12.627 --> 00:46:18.462 What's the song that I'm I'm, I'm going to nail, like, I'm going to love to sing this song. 00:46:18.462 --> 00:46:25.817 So the idea is to sort of give somebody a, a, a challenge in the sense of here, 00:46:25.817 --> 00:46:28.779 this is the artist, find something. 00:46:29.120 --> 00:46:32.182 And, and if they don't find something, you give them another artist because 00:46:32.182 --> 00:46:39.567 you want them, the goal is you want them to have fun trying something that is not common. Yeah. 00:46:40.528 --> 00:46:44.971 And it was, It worked out because every one of us then just was like going up 00:46:44.971 --> 00:46:48.493 and pushing our limits. Yeah, going for it. 00:46:48.493 --> 00:46:49.753 I wore out my voice that night. 00:46:50.954 --> 00:46:51.935 Our poor neighbors. 00:46:51.935 --> 00:46:52.775 I sing hard. 00:46:54.837 --> 00:46:56.937 They're far enough away. they're probably getting here. Yeah. 00:46:58.161 --> 00:47:03.606 We're just paying them off. It was a great game. I told my sister about it because 00:47:03.606 --> 00:47:04.506 she thought it was great too. 00:47:04.506 --> 00:47:07.428 So I think it was a great game to play. 00:47:07.428 --> 00:47:12.472 So if any of you like doing karaoke, try this. 00:47:12.472 --> 00:47:15.975 It's a great method to just be like, to bring out, 00:47:15.975 --> 00:47:18.757 especially if, you know, 00:47:18.757 --> 00:47:23.607 everyone's a little tired or something like that, this will bring out the excitement 00:47:23.607 --> 00:47:28.564 of doing the karaoke and the fun of it because you get people to do a song they 00:47:28.564 --> 00:47:32.147 really want to do not just not the song that everyone's heard before. 00:47:32.147 --> 00:47:37.331 All right. So our next beverage is nitro Pepsi. 00:47:37.772 --> 00:47:38.632 Nitro Pepsi. 00:47:39.893 --> 00:47:40.834 Non-alcoholic, I might say. 00:47:41.735 --> 00:47:42.335 Listen to that. 00:47:42.335 --> 00:47:42.795 Yes. 00:47:42.795 --> 00:47:43.636 Fizz and fuzz. 00:47:44.117 --> 00:47:45.217 So this is a... 00:47:45.217 --> 00:47:48.099 I think I need to rinse my glass for this because... 00:47:48.099 --> 00:47:48.800 I don't know. 00:47:49.120 --> 00:47:50.461 Well, no, I really don't. 00:47:50.461 --> 00:47:55.946 It's like Guinness, except it's Pepsi with a little nitro widget, so it should be creamy. 00:47:56.867 --> 00:47:57.527 It's Pepsi. 00:47:57.527 --> 00:47:58.247 I don't know. 00:47:59.208 --> 00:48:00.169 I mean, so... 00:48:00.169 --> 00:48:02.791 All right. No, it's the Discord. Okay, so everyone needs to know... 00:48:02.791 --> 00:48:04.873 First of all, no, no, let me talk, let me talk. 00:48:05.493 --> 00:48:10.957 I need everybody who's listening and is on our Discord, Pepsi or Coke. 00:48:11.718 --> 00:48:13.379 Just let's vote. Pepsi or Coke. 00:48:13.379 --> 00:48:14.360 We should do the Pepsi challenge. 00:48:15.862 --> 00:48:19.224 The Pepsi challenge only... I want to know. I believe the Pepsi challenge only 00:48:19.224 --> 00:48:22.547 works because you're tying a little bit and when you're tying a little bit, 00:48:22.547 --> 00:48:23.828 the sweeter things will tend to win. 00:48:24.188 --> 00:48:29.952 But over a whole drink, I think you're going to much more appreciate... 00:48:30.093 --> 00:48:30.993 Is Pepsi sweeter? 00:48:30.993 --> 00:48:31.514 Yes. 00:48:31.514 --> 00:48:32.314 Okay. 00:48:32.314 --> 00:48:32.795 A lot. 00:48:32.795 --> 00:48:34.216 It is straight up sugar water. It's disgusting. 00:48:34.216 --> 00:48:38.319 I mean, both of them were straight up sugar water, but at least Coke has like 00:48:38.319 --> 00:48:39.819 nutmeg and things like that. 00:48:41.601 --> 00:48:42.943 So you're a Coke person. 00:48:44.084 --> 00:48:45.264 If I had to choose... 00:48:45.264 --> 00:48:48.346 Yeah, me too. I won't even drink Pepsi. 00:48:48.346 --> 00:48:49.147 I don't know why I'm smelling it. 00:48:49.147 --> 00:48:51.109 Well, I don't drink soda that often. 00:48:51.109 --> 00:48:52.310 No, it's all about the mouthfeel. 00:48:54.692 --> 00:48:56.613 It tastes like flat Pepsi. Why am I smelling it? 00:48:56.723 --> 00:48:58.354 It does taste like flat Pepsi. 00:48:58.354 --> 00:48:59.495 Why do I want that? 00:48:59.835 --> 00:49:00.596 I don't know. 00:49:00.596 --> 00:49:01.917 It's making me burp on there. 00:49:03.018 --> 00:49:05.399 All right, so Nitro Pepsi tastes like flat Pepsi. 00:49:07.962 --> 00:49:08.962 That's just gross. 00:49:12.785 --> 00:49:13.946 That's just sugar water. 00:49:13.946 --> 00:49:16.128 All right, Shannon, can you go dump those in our insu-glasses? 00:49:16.769 --> 00:49:17.849 You bought that shit. 00:49:17.849 --> 00:49:20.151 I'm stuck here. I'll make- Oh, are you? 00:49:20.151 --> 00:49:20.832 Oh, come on. 00:49:21.132 --> 00:49:24.074 Fine, I'll squeeze out, but if I make a bunch of noise- I even tasted it. 00:49:24.074 --> 00:49:27.137 I didn't want it. I didn't want it. 00:49:27.137 --> 00:49:30.099 Wire it. 00:49:30.099 --> 00:49:31.760 I tasted it for you. It's foul. 00:49:33.242 --> 00:49:39.538 I don't... Like, I get the idea of Draft Cola in the sense that... 00:49:40.725 --> 00:49:45.809 You know you sometimes the fountain tastes better than than I can to some people 00:49:45.809 --> 00:49:53.195 it does but yeah, that's not nitrous That's still carbon dioxide. Yeah I don't know. 00:49:53.195 --> 00:50:00.980 I saw it and i'm like well, that's a kill That's no, I don't think that That 00:50:00.980 --> 00:50:02.481 doesn't count. It don't count. 00:50:02.481 --> 00:50:04.503 Oh, we're not gonna put that on the kill list. 00:50:04.503 --> 00:50:07.165 It's not no Oh, cause it's too easy. 00:50:07.585 --> 00:50:09.286 All right. So we have our next beer. 00:50:09.286 --> 00:50:10.808 Well, I'm writing F. 00:50:11.248 --> 00:50:15.792 Perhaps our last beer. Uh, this is when we picked up on the Sellers Tour at 00:50:15.792 --> 00:50:18.354 Allagash. This is Allagash Interlude from 2014. What? 00:50:18.354 --> 00:50:23.518 We're opening that? We should wait until 2024. So it's an entire. 00:50:23.518 --> 00:50:28.321 Eh. Eh. Come. Eh. Cat. Page is cracking. 00:50:28.321 --> 00:50:29.042 Page is already off. 00:50:29.042 --> 00:50:32.745 I'm crying. My soul is being crushed. There it goes. 00:50:34.727 --> 00:50:36.047 See, I feel. A few months away. 00:50:37.969 --> 00:50:40.829 There it's gone. It's only a few months away from 2024. 00:50:51.977 --> 00:51:01.984 This can't be the only soul-crushing thing that happened to you this week. 00:51:02.564 --> 00:51:05.506 Oh, no. So, here, This is a type of bacteria. 00:51:05.506 --> 00:51:08.987 That bacteria that they're, wasn't that the one that they? 00:51:08.987 --> 00:51:09.789 It's a yeast. 00:51:09.789 --> 00:51:11.871 Oh, it's a yeast. That's right, it is a yeast. 00:51:11.871 --> 00:51:16.194 But wasn't it the one that they actually discovered? No. 00:51:16.194 --> 00:51:18.376 Oh. No, it's a yeast that they discovered. 00:51:18.376 --> 00:51:24.040 No, they do have a yeast that they discovered. It's called, it's a Portlandia 00:51:24.040 --> 00:51:26.582 or Portlandias or something. I can't, I have to look it up. 00:51:26.582 --> 00:51:27.302 I can't remember. 00:51:28.023 --> 00:51:33.057 Bread is what you don't want if you're making wine. Bread is like the killer 00:51:33.057 --> 00:51:34.886 for wine. I don't know necessarily why. 00:51:35.979 --> 00:51:39.782 Um, that being said, there's a Spanish wine that we've been getting at the liquor 00:51:39.782 --> 00:51:45.766 store that is fantastic and it has bread in it Which one that spanish tamper neo with the red? 00:51:48.088 --> 00:51:50.790 So this also has a saison yeast in it, are you okay over there? 00:51:51.150 --> 00:51:55.874 No, it's a freaking pepsi is it Oh took one sip caramel. 00:51:55.874 --> 00:51:59.757 I'm so dying. Yeah, I can still taste it caramel malt red wheat pilsner malt 00:51:59.757 --> 00:52:02.818 It's hops are with nugget and stressful spalt Stressel spalt. 00:52:04.961 --> 00:52:07.642 What's a stressel spalt? Somebody tell me. 00:52:07.642 --> 00:52:09.023 It's a German hop. Okay. 00:52:09.174 --> 00:52:10.384 I've never heard of it. 00:52:10.384 --> 00:52:11.845 I think it's a noble hop. 00:52:11.845 --> 00:52:18.190 Yeah. It's one of those ones that you see in German lagers that are kind of 00:52:18.190 --> 00:52:19.511 non-distinct in their flavor. 00:52:20.412 --> 00:52:24.194 Sort of spiciness, not really much of this. But nuggets are strong ones and 00:52:24.194 --> 00:52:25.535 nuggets an interesting one to have in here. 00:52:26.716 --> 00:52:31.920 It also has, we said the yeast is saison and babeniases and the spices and other 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:36.343 has turbinado sugar in it, which is just to give it probably just a little bit 00:52:36.343 --> 00:52:41.647 extra body, and small portion of 20-month-old interlude. 00:52:43.368 --> 00:52:44.929 It smells like a really sour... 00:52:44.929 --> 00:52:53.951 Yes. So 20 months, so that 20-month-old interlude's already more than 10 years old, so... Yeah. 00:52:53.951 --> 00:52:57.938 Wish... still should have waited until... 00:52:59.560 --> 00:53:05.144 Oh, it's it's it's not only it's October 2014. Huh. I didn't realize I had a month on it. 00:53:05.144 --> 00:53:08.367 Oh, so see. Yeah, I should have. A whole nother year. 00:53:09.488 --> 00:53:15.272 Nine and ten aren't all that different from each other. Eleven would be more 00:53:15.272 --> 00:53:16.253 interesting because it's prime. 00:53:18.735 --> 00:53:24.018 All right, the aroma on this one is a little bit of that funky brett aromas coming out. 00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:27.523 that there's kind of this oaky wine barrel thing, too? 00:53:29.446 --> 00:53:30.588 There's a fruit that's... 00:53:36.901 --> 00:53:40.493 Strawberry, okay You guys getting a hint of strawberry because I'm getting a 00:53:40.493 --> 00:53:49.439 hint of strawberry hint of something More grape strawberry I'm tasting or I'm 00:53:49.439 --> 00:53:50.980 not tasting I haven't tasted it yet. 00:53:50.980 --> 00:53:54.342 Actually when you move on to the flavor It's kind of like underwriting strawberry. 00:53:55.183 --> 00:54:00.147 Is it? Yeah, really? All right. It's a mix between tart strawberry underwrite 00:54:00.147 --> 00:54:06.591 and like strawberry lollipop Yeah, so or starburst like strawberry starburst. 00:54:06.591 --> 00:54:07.532 There's totally in there. 00:54:07.532 --> 00:54:14.476 It reminds me of Back in the band 00:54:14.476 --> 00:54:22.062 high school band days and We at the strawberry festival in Plant City, 00:54:22.062 --> 00:54:27.365 Florida when I worked in the band booth and we made strawberry shortcake Day 00:54:27.365 --> 00:54:30.307 in and day out for everybody. That's what I'm smelling. 00:54:30.307 --> 00:54:34.950 That's why I smell the strawberry Yeah, it's definitely tastes like those pink 00:54:34.950 --> 00:54:39.574 little chews from Starburst. Oh, yeah It's not the only thing it tastes like 00:54:39.574 --> 00:54:40.635 but it's in there for sure. 00:54:40.635 --> 00:54:41.235 Oh, it is. Mm-hmm. 00:54:42.756 --> 00:54:52.883 My favorite ones, too Oh, I like this But then it goes a different way Because 00:54:52.883 --> 00:55:02.049 it's it's more tangy than it is sour first of all So, 00:55:02.049 --> 00:55:08.810 um, the Brett is noticeable, but not like overwhelming, but it's giving it the, 00:55:08.810 --> 00:55:12.851 that uh, tip of the tongue kind of thing. 00:55:12.851 --> 00:55:17.112 I don't know how else to describe it, but it's a little bit, 00:55:17.112 --> 00:55:19.573 it takes away the deeper notes. 00:55:19.573 --> 00:55:26.495 It's very, it's, I taste a lot of tannins at the end. 00:55:29.053 --> 00:55:33.756 Yeah, that's the red wine barrels, I bet. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 00:55:34.557 --> 00:55:40.441 There's oaky and red wine notes that are all being kind of forced into submission 00:55:40.441 --> 00:55:46.725 by the brett, so you don't get the deeper notes of those. You just get sort of the top notes. 00:55:47.145 --> 00:55:51.708 I'm getting baking spices too. Like this is running a bit of like a mold cider 00:55:51.708 --> 00:56:00.014 or something something like that with cardamom and allspice and anise and stuff like that. 00:56:00.014 --> 00:56:03.016 I'm getting like a, almost like the flavors from like a calculator. 00:56:04.478 --> 00:56:07.940 Well, it's got that turbinado sugar in it, right? So it's got warm molasses. Yeah, okay. 00:56:07.940 --> 00:56:11.443 This is yummy. 00:56:11.923 --> 00:56:12.423 It is. 00:56:12.423 --> 00:56:16.987 I likey. Greg, have you ever heard of earthquake lights? 00:56:17.407 --> 00:56:19.489 Yes, yes I have. What? 00:56:19.489 --> 00:56:23.571 I had just heard about these for the first time after the earthquake in Peru, right? 00:56:24.813 --> 00:56:26.314 No, not Peru. Morocco? 00:56:26.314 --> 00:56:27.535 Morocco, yes. 00:56:30.097 --> 00:56:34.060 So for people who don't know, there's this phenomenon that's not well understood, 00:56:34.060 --> 00:56:38.683 at least as far as I know, maybe Greg knows more, that like preceding an earthquake 00:56:38.683 --> 00:56:44.548 or during an earthquake, like you'll get these like lights and it's almost like 00:56:44.548 --> 00:56:48.230 you would think maybe they're transformers exploding or something like that, but they're not. 00:56:48.230 --> 00:56:50.532 I guess they're kind of like ball lightning sometimes. 00:56:51.253 --> 00:56:53.794 I think it's very important to know whether it's preceding. 00:56:54.615 --> 00:56:55.495 It is preceding. 00:56:55.495 --> 00:56:56.136 It is preceding. 00:56:56.476 --> 00:56:59.178 It's preceding, but just barely. Not any time that you can... 00:57:00.139 --> 00:57:01.299 Because of, I mean, if it was... 00:57:01.720 --> 00:57:02.680 Like, no, seconds. 00:57:03.921 --> 00:57:07.563 Oh, that's a shame. So, and also not visible during the day. Oh, yeah. 00:57:08.264 --> 00:57:14.288 One of the reasons why it was hard to confirm is nighttime earthquakes. 00:57:15.299 --> 00:57:20.852 It's not like there's the kind of surveillance before that there is now. 00:57:20.852 --> 00:57:25.652 And that's what I think is important. And I think that's what we need to do. 00:57:24.084 --> 00:57:29.088 a, you might tend to forget if there's lights and a big earthquake happens, 00:57:29.088 --> 00:57:34.712 you might tend to be more have more important things to do than remember. 00:57:34.712 --> 00:57:36.073 Oh, there were some weird lights in the sky. 00:57:37.234 --> 00:57:40.717 But my guess is this is just a guess. 00:57:40.717 --> 00:57:43.419 This is not anything like that. 00:57:43.419 --> 00:57:47.582 You should take into consideration is like a real thing, but there's pizzo electric 00:57:47.582 --> 00:57:51.478 properties of the ground as it's being compressed, 00:57:51.478 --> 00:57:55.628 compressed, which is going to cause currents and it's going to therefore cause 00:57:55.628 --> 00:58:00.451 releases of plasma, probably like lightning going up as opposed to going down. 00:58:01.052 --> 00:58:03.473 Even though most lighting does sort of go up, but... 00:58:04.914 --> 00:58:08.317 No, the piezoelectric effect was something I was thinking about too. 00:58:08.317 --> 00:58:12.580 So for people who don't know, the little sparker in a lighter, 00:58:12.580 --> 00:58:16.903 like a grill lighter, like the one, either the one you press on the grill or 00:58:16.903 --> 00:58:20.365 the ones that are kind of wand shaped and you pull the trigger and it goes snap. 00:58:20.365 --> 00:58:24.168 Oh, that's a hammer hitting a crystal. 00:58:25.710 --> 00:58:28.972 And that impact on the crystal makes an electric current. 00:58:30.253 --> 00:58:32.594 Briefly, but enough to give that little spark. 00:58:32.594 --> 00:58:36.297 It's not, I used to think that there was some kind of transformer in there, 00:58:36.297 --> 00:58:40.760 some kind of, some kind of magnet moving through a coil. Like that's what, 00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:42.342 how I thought the spark was made. 00:58:43.363 --> 00:58:48.607 And, um, no, it's, it's a, it's a hammer hitting a crystal. 00:58:48.607 --> 00:58:52.331 You're putting a crystal under stress, and that stress causes the electronic 00:58:52.331 --> 00:58:57.076 configuration to change enough, on a large enough scale, that you're creating 00:58:57.076 --> 00:59:00.980 a temporary voltage difference, which then gives you a burst. 00:59:04.644 --> 00:59:10.378 So I was wondering and the article I read really didn't get into that part of 00:59:10.378 --> 00:59:15.201 it But it seemed like that you that's your guess. That was kind of my gut too 00:59:15.201 --> 00:59:17.913 Mm-hmm is that it's what you don't see it all the time. 00:59:17.913 --> 00:59:22.647 The geology has to be right for it to happen You know and you need to have a 00:59:22.647 --> 00:59:25.568 large amount of stress to have a noticeable things. 00:59:26.590 --> 00:59:31.733 You need an earthquake. You need that kind of stress on the rock to make something 00:59:31.733 --> 00:59:34.095 visible to a large number of people. 00:59:35.677 --> 00:59:39.179 Speaking of voltage differential, I was watching some Alpha Phoenix on YouTube. 00:59:39.179 --> 00:59:47.405 Okay. And he did a really neat one about, he used water to kind of as an analog 00:59:47.405 --> 00:59:51.128 for voltage and amperage and things like that. 00:59:51.128 --> 00:59:57.383 Yep. But there was one part he didn't cover, like, that I thought he could have, 00:59:57.383 --> 01:00:02.397 you know, he had so much material, but he made this little water trough with, you know, gates. 01:00:02.397 --> 01:00:07.641 And when the gate is small, it's a resistor and voltage is shown by kind of 01:00:07.641 --> 01:00:12.084 the slope of water as it goes through the channel. And the channel should be careful. 01:00:12.084 --> 01:00:13.365 It's water plus gravity. 01:00:14.446 --> 01:00:17.788 Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes. But the channel is narrow enough that the 01:00:17.788 --> 01:00:21.591 surface of water keeps it from equalizing right away. 01:00:22.172 --> 01:00:25.334 So it helps analog that, but you know, he was showing resistance. 01:00:25.694 --> 01:00:30.538 He also could have shown capacitance by having a deeper channel, 01:00:30.538 --> 01:00:37.082 like in certain places, because that would have fit the same way with all the 01:00:37.082 --> 01:00:39.184 other analogies that he did in that thing. 01:00:40.145 --> 01:00:44.307 But it was really cool. It gave, I thought I had a pretty good understanding 01:00:44.307 --> 01:00:48.110 of the electricity stuff. 01:00:49.361 --> 01:00:54.295 Voltage is the kind of the term that everybody knows. It's the weirdest part 01:00:54.295 --> 01:00:55.306 of the whole thing though. 01:00:57.038 --> 01:01:00.041 It's the most universal part of it because it's the potential. 01:01:00.622 --> 01:01:04.486 So it is the thing that crosses domains, if you will. 01:01:04.486 --> 01:01:07.089 But it's also the part that is like. 01:01:09.546 --> 01:01:10.747 not as straightforwardly explainable. 01:01:13.370 --> 01:01:16.972 Yeah, because it's not, because it requires gravity, first of all, 01:01:16.972 --> 01:01:19.894 for it to manifest in water. 01:01:19.894 --> 01:01:24.998 Yeah. But having voltage, like explaining how voltage is made and stuff, 01:01:24.998 --> 01:01:30.042 like a voltage drop over a resistor and things like that, you know, 01:01:30.042 --> 01:01:34.626 just in electricity is like the other concepts that he covered amperage and 01:01:34.626 --> 01:01:36.377 whatnot were pretty straightforward. 01:01:36.377 --> 01:01:40.710 And then like, okay, now voltage. And like, he didn't make it difficult on purpose. 01:01:40.710 --> 01:01:45.373 It's, it's a more complicated concept, which I thought was real quick. 01:01:45.373 --> 01:01:50.797 I just thought it was curious because if you went on family feud and said, 01:01:50.797 --> 01:01:54.559 name an electricity term, voltage is going to be the top one, 01:01:54.559 --> 01:02:03.656 but it's kind of the weirdest phenomenon of electricity of the core basic stuff. 01:02:03.706 --> 01:02:08.329 I mean, I guess I don't see it as weird, but that's cause I'm, 01:02:08.329 --> 01:02:11.691 I'm more trained in thinking of potentials in different ways. 01:02:11.691 --> 01:02:15.661 But because you have a dipolar potential in electricity, it's harder to imagine 01:02:15.661 --> 01:02:19.356 than gravitational potential where it's just a hill, right? I mean, 01:02:19.356 --> 01:02:20.997 that is relatively easy. 01:02:22.499 --> 01:02:32.095 But to understand that there are two different potentials, and so I mean, 01:02:32.095 --> 01:02:34.146 it gets complicated real, real quick. 01:02:35.227 --> 01:02:40.371 I would not say that I'm at all like good at making circuits or anything like that. 01:02:40.371 --> 01:02:45.554 I know, I know the principles behind it, but you know, my learning has gone 01:02:45.554 --> 01:02:50.377 in a different direction. So I'm not good at necessarily, I can explain things 01:02:50.377 --> 01:02:53.620 like potentials and use some of the analogies, but probably that. 01:02:53.620 --> 01:02:57.602 Well, like one of the experiments he did was he had some resistive wire, 01:02:57.602 --> 01:03:02.666 like the stuff that's in a toaster and he sampled the voltage potential to ground 01:03:02.666 --> 01:03:05.267 to ground at different points along the wire. And it was linear, 01:03:05.267 --> 01:03:07.609 right? So halfway around the coil was half the voltage. 01:03:08.189 --> 01:03:12.372 And he took the same wire and he put a resistor, a small resistor, 01:03:12.372 --> 01:03:15.314 but a resistor at the beginning or the end, wherever he put it. 01:03:16.255 --> 01:03:22.278 And it's like a dam in a river. It keeps the voltage high on the front side 01:03:22.278 --> 01:03:25.260 of the resistor and super low on the backside of the resistor, 01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:27.321 just like a dam in the river. and, 01:03:30.031 --> 01:03:34.534 I was aware of voltage drop across resistors and stuff like that, but I never saw it. 01:03:36.676 --> 01:03:41.299 Well, I never saw an experiment with resistive wire. All the wires that you 01:03:41.299 --> 01:03:43.780 use in normal stuff is very low resistance. 01:03:44.601 --> 01:03:46.903 And when you're diagramming, you usually assume zero. 01:03:46.903 --> 01:03:51.466 Yeah, because you're only using several inches of wire and the resistance over 01:03:51.466 --> 01:03:53.547 that copper wire or aluminum wire is negligible. 01:03:55.569 --> 01:03:58.751 But using the resistive wire and just throwing a tiny little resistor in there 01:03:58.751 --> 01:04:05.635 it uh it was a damn like it was full voltage like if you were one-third of the 01:04:05.635 --> 01:04:08.957 way through and you'd expect to lose one-third of the voltage with a resistor 01:04:08.957 --> 01:04:13.120 beyond it you have full voltage even though the wire is still resistive. 01:04:13.120 --> 01:04:15.261 You should mention here Shannon fully checked out. 01:04:17.003 --> 01:04:27.529 I'm sorry I have it's I'm taking care of something for both of us actually right now. Sorry. All right. 01:04:27.529 --> 01:04:29.470 So as long as we're doing a sciencey thing. 01:04:30.031 --> 01:04:32.231 I mean, it's the perfect time, right? 01:04:32.231 --> 01:04:33.132 Yeah. 01:04:33.132 --> 01:04:36.995 We could, um, we could do the wrap the show and go to the post show and do the 01:04:36.995 --> 01:04:38.796 sciencey thing. If you think that might be better. 01:04:38.796 --> 01:04:39.237 Yeah. 01:04:39.237 --> 01:04:40.958 There's more stuff I have to talk about, but. 01:04:42.659 --> 01:04:43.419 Are we done? 01:04:43.961 --> 01:04:45.341 That's all the beers I brought up. 01:04:46.242 --> 01:04:47.343 You want another beer? 01:04:47.343 --> 01:04:52.106 We can do the post show. Then we'll actually keep the show at like an hour. 01:04:52.527 --> 01:04:56.549 Yeah, well, we probably don't have anything going on now tomorrow. 01:04:56.549 --> 01:04:59.552 So I'm taking care of that right now. 01:04:59.552 --> 01:05:01.373 Oh, the, the photo shoots canceled? 01:05:01.934 --> 01:05:05.696 Probably due to the weather. Forecast is not looking good for us. 01:05:06.797 --> 01:05:08.859 So I'm letting everybody know. 01:05:08.859 --> 01:05:10.280 Let's do the shtick. All right. 01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:11.000 All right. 01:05:19.387 --> 01:05:21.248 Well, sure. This does throw this away. 01:05:21.248 --> 01:05:30.355 Okay. Did not qualify. No. Oh, I wanted to, you can rank it. 01:05:31.516 --> 01:05:34.518 You can rank it if you want to. You can do whatever you want. 01:05:34.518 --> 01:05:38.201 There's no rules. The only rule is there is no rules and you have to rank. 01:05:44.196 --> 01:05:52.178 Of course, there are rules. All right. Sure. Right, like that. Kinda. 01:06:06.309 --> 01:06:22.340 I'm trying to decide if this is my order or not And so first of all Do we Before we start ranking. 01:06:22.340 --> 01:06:29.806 I really want to know like It's really hard to put this one in there. 01:06:30.326 --> 01:06:33.249 Yeah, I feel like We shouldn't be, 01:06:43.139 --> 01:06:46.439 ranking this alligash against the Oktoberfests because then don't just like 01:06:46.439 --> 01:06:50.082 you're not ranking the nitro you can or you are ranking the nitro you can you 01:06:50.082 --> 01:06:56.907 can decide to not rank the alligash I mean I would say that the alligash has 01:06:56.907 --> 01:07:00.610 an unfair Advantage over the others because well, 01:07:00.610 --> 01:07:03.612 that's that that's not how I would look at it. 01:07:03.612 --> 01:07:03.852 Okay. 01:07:06.634 --> 01:07:12.178 All right Well, right come on, but you got to put Pepsi in there The suspense is killing. 01:07:12.178 --> 01:07:13.298 Where do you write the Pepsi Greg? 01:07:13.298 --> 01:07:13.859 Okay. 01:07:13.859 --> 01:07:17.641 All right I'll write the Pepsi, but it will not be a part of my fuck Mary kill 01:07:17.641 --> 01:07:19.683 That's that's the compromise. 01:07:20.443 --> 01:07:25.066 Oh, I'm killing that thing It's too easy to kill the Pepsi. I mean the Pepsi 01:07:25.066 --> 01:07:29.131 just sort of dies by association It's it's already dead. 01:07:29.772 --> 01:07:37.781 You can't you can't kill anymore Yeah, okay, so the Pepsi gets in last place of course in, 01:07:44.593 --> 01:07:49.617 Right behind it, right in front of it, just by order, is the Fat Heads Oktoberfest. 01:07:51.118 --> 01:07:54.781 Because it was just kind of a cracker. 01:07:54.781 --> 01:07:57.530 Potentially spoiled. 01:07:57.530 --> 01:08:04.348 Potentially. And it just didn't have so much of what the other stuff had, all the other beers had. 01:08:04.348 --> 01:08:07.350 It was very disappointing because I expected more out of Fat Heads. 01:08:07.611 --> 01:08:10.153 Still drinkable. Still, if you had it in a bar, you'd be fine with it. 01:08:10.233 --> 01:08:14.236 Oh, yeah. Yeah, especially if it was happy hour and it was half price. 01:08:14.717 --> 01:08:18.499 I think to me it's interesting that the two Fests beers rank pretty close to each other. 01:08:18.499 --> 01:08:21.341 I think the Sierra Nevada was the first one we had. It was, it was, 01:08:21.341 --> 01:08:25.544 I enjoyed it, but it was a little too sweet. 01:08:25.544 --> 01:08:29.947 I think it was, uh, just compared to the other stuff, I'm, I'm more, 01:08:29.947 --> 01:08:31.949 uh, a straight Martinson guy. 01:08:31.949 --> 01:08:36.792 So I think that the Martinsons were going to win out for me either way. 01:08:37.133 --> 01:08:44.318 I'm going to put the Allagash in third place. I think it's, I mean, it's good. 01:08:45.579 --> 01:08:48.761 How much did you, do you know how much this one cost you? 01:08:50.423 --> 01:08:51.183 No, we bought. 01:08:51.183 --> 01:08:54.105 Too much. 01:08:54.105 --> 01:08:55.937 I think it was like $180 worth of beer from Elegash. 01:08:56.288 --> 01:09:00.050 It's what, a 750 milliliter? Was that all it was? 01:09:00.050 --> 01:09:03.953 It's a 750 milliliter bottle, and I'd say based on the content, 01:09:03.953 --> 01:09:05.254 it's worth, you know, about 20, 25 bucks. 01:09:05.254 --> 01:09:11.839 You know, probably paid somewhere. Yeah. It's a, it's a decent, 01:09:11.839 --> 01:09:16.963 you get the bang for your buck. I think, I think I was expecting more. 01:09:17.464 --> 01:09:22.407 I was expecting something with more pizzazz with more character. 01:09:23.688 --> 01:09:28.792 This sort of felt, uh, muted in a sense. 01:09:29.613 --> 01:09:33.596 I think that Brett can do that, but you work with Brett. I mean, that's the point you, 01:09:33.596 --> 01:09:36.958 you, if you're going to use Brett, you really, 01:09:36.958 --> 01:09:42.723 should understand Brett so I 01:09:42.723 --> 01:09:46.225 mean I'm missing out on like the red wine barrel stuff I think that you 01:09:46.225 --> 01:09:54.571 kind of miss it um then I'm gonna go with the helltown as the second and the 01:09:54.571 --> 01:09:57.534 trogues in first place the fruit drugs was friggin delicious but the helltown 01:09:57.534 --> 01:10:04.637 was really good too like those that like dark kind of rye-like note was so good, so. 01:10:07.807 --> 01:10:11.410 In essence, that's what I have. And fuck, marry, kill comes later after everybody 01:10:11.410 --> 01:10:14.512 else. So, you know, your turn, Sean, my turn. 01:10:14.512 --> 01:10:16.373 I can go if you want. Yeah, go ahead. 01:10:16.373 --> 01:10:18.115 All right. Uh, pepsi last place. 01:10:18.115 --> 01:10:18.795 It's hard to find. 01:10:18.795 --> 01:10:22.558 Second to last place is the fat heads. Um, same reason Greg said, right? 01:10:22.558 --> 01:10:26.932 Take a picture. Wait, stop. Hold on. You gotta gotta get the picture before we start. 01:10:26.932 --> 01:10:29.944 The picture does help me when I do the shortcuts. So, all right. 01:10:30.715 --> 01:10:35.829 But I can still talk while you take a picture. Trying to get all the shitty mess in the background. 01:10:35.829 --> 01:10:37.189 I don't post the picture, I just look at it. 01:10:39.611 --> 01:10:42.013 Oh, pictures are posted. No, no. 01:10:42.013 --> 01:10:44.615 Some of them are. No, only on our channel. Oh. I haven't paid attention. 01:10:45.796 --> 01:10:48.457 Yeah, there are secret channels in Discord just for us. 01:10:49.538 --> 01:10:52.801 All right, Fat Heads is in the last beer spot. 01:10:53.882 --> 01:10:58.284 It had this, well I thought it could be this refreshing hot weather thing. 01:10:59.786 --> 01:11:02.808 It just didn't really fit what I was looking for in Oktoberfest. 01:11:03.628 --> 01:11:08.552 It might have been going spoiled. I don't know. And then I'm going to put in 01:11:08.552 --> 01:11:10.663 fourth place the Helltown. 01:11:12.685 --> 01:11:17.017 It was a little bit drier than I'm looking for in Oktoberfest. 01:11:18.038 --> 01:11:21.261 I think that's the main reason compared to like the next place beer. 01:11:21.261 --> 01:11:27.265 A little bit drier. I wanted a little bit more cracker and bread and stuff like that. 01:11:28.166 --> 01:11:36.112 And it seemed like it was missing it a bit. it. I am going to put the Sierra Nevada in third place. 01:11:37.653 --> 01:11:40.395 These are the beers I enjoyed quite a bit. 01:11:42.537 --> 01:11:48.681 Definitely would want to drink more of that. It had that kind of honey bread type flavor. Dug it. 01:11:49.321 --> 01:11:55.246 I am going to put the Allagash in second place. Really liked it. 01:11:56.987 --> 01:12:00.189 Greg mentioned that it was muted or subdued. I think it brought it. 01:12:00.189 --> 01:12:04.653 I think, you know, you're getting, got that strawberry early on. 01:12:04.653 --> 01:12:06.334 Now I'm getting kind of tart cherries. 01:12:06.334 --> 01:12:08.696 It did bring it enough, to be clear. It did bring enough to be worth like, 01:12:08.696 --> 01:12:10.317 you know, Yeah, you said like 25 bucks. 01:12:11.398 --> 01:12:17.363 So, I mean, that's a decent price point. I enjoyed it. Shannon might want the 01:12:17.363 --> 01:12:19.584 rest of that. I enjoyed it quite a bit. 01:12:20.745 --> 01:12:24.848 I think because it's an Octoberfest show and also because Troves is so damn 01:12:24.848 --> 01:12:26.530 good it wins the first place. 01:12:27.591 --> 01:12:31.774 Would it win it if it wasn't an Oktoberfest show? I think it would. 01:12:31.774 --> 01:12:37.358 I really, it's dead center in what I want in an Oktoberfest. I really enjoy it. 01:12:37.839 --> 01:12:42.442 Go trogues. All right. 01:12:42.442 --> 01:12:44.283 Now, Shannon, you have nothing else. 01:12:45.224 --> 01:12:46.525 And you can put your Pepsi in first place. 01:12:46.525 --> 01:12:52.470 I can? All right. Did you want to take a picture? Oh, yes. You should probably do that. 01:12:52.470 --> 01:12:56.093 Please, I don't think my phone's. 01:12:56.093 --> 01:12:57.554 I was, it's right there. 01:12:57.554 --> 01:12:57.994 Oh, here it is. 01:12:57.994 --> 01:13:02.938 I was writing while you were talking, but I think we might be the same. 01:13:03.829 --> 01:13:05.520 I'm not allowed. Change your order. 01:13:14.819 --> 01:13:22.294 All right, so in last place, if I'm not going to, okay, I'll keep the Pepsi 01:13:22.294 --> 01:13:23.875 in there, so Pepsi's last. 01:13:25.136 --> 01:13:32.902 And then next we're going to go with the fatheads. It just, it's not an Oktoberfest. 01:13:34.363 --> 01:13:37.586 It wasn't malty. Didn't have enough body. 01:13:37.586 --> 01:13:42.769 it's I don't know it's just I mean like we talked about it, 01:13:44.100 --> 01:13:48.152 it would be fine at a bar I would 01:13:48.152 --> 01:13:57.699 enjoy it but I yeah it's it's not what I would expect in Octoberfest so and 01:13:57.699 --> 01:14:06.765 then I would go with Helltown again I don't know do I have to give you all the 01:14:06.765 --> 01:14:07.886 reasons I wrote them down, 01:14:07.886 --> 01:14:11.048 but if you want to, if you don't, don't. 01:14:11.048 --> 01:14:13.550 Um, and then it'd be mysterious. 01:14:13.550 --> 01:14:19.755 Okay. It is. Cause I, I, I, I liked it. 01:14:20.415 --> 01:14:25.439 I actually, we didn't bring this up and we, I thought about it, 01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:29.722 but we were onto something else, so I wrote it down, but I did get a hint of 01:14:29.722 --> 01:14:33.585 caramel in there that we didn't talk about. 01:14:35.947 --> 01:14:42.192 I really did like it, but it's up against some good ones. So anyways, 01:14:42.192 --> 01:14:48.016 next we're going with the Sierra Nevada, which I love. 01:14:48.957 --> 01:14:55.191 I really did. I really enjoyed it. I love that sweetness, the bready. 01:14:55.191 --> 01:15:01.126 Yeastiness too. Yeastiness, yeah. It's just very balanced. 01:15:04.049 --> 01:15:08.091 The top of the can says, family owned, operated, and argued over. 01:15:08.812 --> 01:15:15.477 Argued over. I wonder what that means. Your family. Yeah. So if I have to keep 01:15:15.477 --> 01:15:19.940 Alligash in with the Oktoberfest, then I'm gonna bring that one up to the second place. 01:15:22.122 --> 01:15:25.884 And that's just because the trogues. 01:15:26.665 --> 01:15:30.908 Telling you guys, if you can get your hands on it, You should definitely do 01:15:30.908 --> 01:15:37.433 it because that is what I am looking for in an Oktoberfest. 01:15:38.034 --> 01:15:39.255 Make sure you take a picture. 01:15:39.255 --> 01:15:39.795 Absolutely. 01:15:40.676 --> 01:15:44.769 They just high five in case it doesn't really match, you know, the bearers match. 01:15:44.769 --> 01:15:46.391 Wow. 01:15:46.391 --> 01:15:49.503 In case it doesn't, in case the AI takes it out, they just high fived. 01:15:50.063 --> 01:15:50.624 We did. 01:15:51.485 --> 01:15:53.326 We did. Take a picture. So we have it. 01:15:53.326 --> 01:15:57.689 And although it's the same, but, you know, yeah, got to have it, got to have it. 01:15:58.610 --> 01:16:04.054 So fuck, marry, kill, relatively easy as far as I'm concerned. The trogues is... 01:16:07.053 --> 01:16:10.056 Marry because it's it's wonderful. 01:16:10.277 --> 01:16:13.258 You never want to get tired of it. So you do want to marry it. 01:16:13.258 --> 01:16:22.465 Yeah Yeah, yeah Fuck I honestly would say the hell town because those caramel 01:16:22.465 --> 01:16:28.710 notes you're talking about and kill it's going to be well what I'm gonna do is I'm going to you know, 01:16:28.710 --> 01:16:35.355 come on to both the Pepsi and the Fat heads have them fight in the gladiatorial 01:16:35.355 --> 01:16:42.281 fight where clearly the fat heads will kill The nitro Pepsi and then I'll just 01:16:42.281 --> 01:16:44.042 have you release the lion killed. 01:16:44.042 --> 01:16:50.427 You'll have it makes it real easy Yeah, I like it All right for me. 01:16:50.427 --> 01:16:58.893 I'm going to marry the trogues I'm gonna fuck the alagash And I'm gonna kill the fat heads Awesome. 01:16:58.893 --> 01:17:05.680 Well, we're- Well, it's yeah- We're the same. 01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:07.420 Well, it's yeah- We're the same. 01:17:07.420 --> 01:17:10.842 Okay. I mean, I'm marrying Trogs. We're gonna have a menage a trois instead of allagash. 01:17:10.842 --> 01:17:12.623 I'm fucking the shit out of allagash. In this house, polygamy works. 01:17:12.623 --> 01:17:14.245 I'm killing fat heads but I'm really, really, really, really killing that Pepsi Nitro. 01:17:14.245 --> 01:17:18.148 We're gonna have a menage a trois Fucking a shit out of our gash in this house 01:17:18.148 --> 01:17:23.271 polygamy works I'm Killing fat heads, 01:17:23.271 --> 01:17:30.196 but I'm really really really Killing that Pepsi Nitro Because that shouldn't 01:17:30.196 --> 01:17:36.901 even be on a shelf anywhere for sale All right, that was episode 513 of craft beer radio. 01:17:38.162 --> 01:17:41.965 Thank you everyone for listening to the show If you're not on our discord go 01:17:41.965 --> 01:17:45.948 to craft beer radio calm and look for the link to join our discord Cuz that 01:17:45.948 --> 01:17:50.871 is the fun place where we have all our fun people and we do fun things with them You know, 01:17:50.871 --> 01:17:53.393 we miss out and being in the fun place. Do you know? 01:17:53.793 --> 01:17:57.556 It's the fun zone. Yeah Fans on fun. 01:17:57.556 --> 01:18:04.442 Yeah, that's going on right the home zone the zombie hot dog beer hot, 01:18:04.442 --> 01:18:07.924 wait just did a episode on Greg's hot 01:18:07.924 --> 01:18:10.727 dog beer when he was in town for the world beer 01:18:10.727 --> 01:18:13.869 cup and uh Chicago style 01:18:13.869 --> 01:18:19.888 hot dog beer yeah so they're chatting about that right now on our discord I 01:18:19.888 --> 01:18:22.454 thought it would be a beer made with hot dog water like you get in the well 01:18:22.454 --> 01:18:27.646 maybe you could make Chicago hot dog beer even better with hot dog water yeah 01:18:27.646 --> 01:18:32.597 And we got a king gizzard the lizard wizard here on the radio. 01:18:32.597 --> 01:18:42.579 Thank you Who was it it was Marinus yes Thank you all. 01:18:42.919 --> 01:18:43.680 Bye bye. 01:18:44.040 --> 01:18:45.440 See you next time.