WEBVTT 00:00:03.325 --> 00:00:08.425 Craft beer radio episode 516th on december 15th 2023, 00:00:16.985 --> 00:00:24.745 i'm shannon oh he was telling you to hold off and you're like i didn't see that, 00:00:29.685 --> 00:00:33.225 we're still figuring out this three-way intro i really 00:00:33.225 --> 00:00:37.525 didn't see a bunch of noobs over here uh yeah 00:00:37.525 --> 00:00:43.505 so you are santa 00:00:43.505 --> 00:00:47.125 you are her dirty 00:00:47.125 --> 00:00:50.045 little elf and i'm biazel pub welcome to 00:00:50.045 --> 00:00:54.105 the craft of your radio and this week 00:00:54.105 --> 00:00:56.845 we're doing um a bunch of cans um any of them 00:00:56.845 --> 00:01:01.465 local yeah yeah one in your hand yes greg 00:01:01.465 --> 00:01:09.365 brought over this polish style pilsner from old thunder i did did you get it 00:01:09.365 --> 00:01:17.565 at your local um bottle shop yes i did so this is from old thunder this is is Silesian Foothills. 00:01:17.565 --> 00:01:28.965 It's a 5.2%. Pilsner with European barley malt, a blend of Lubelski and Marenka hops from Poland. 00:01:29.905 --> 00:01:31.885 So just, you know, Continental hops is my guess. 00:01:33.145 --> 00:01:35.125 The big Lubelski hops, huh? 00:01:35.445 --> 00:01:45.065 And Old Thunder happens to be in this little tiny town across the river called Blonox. 00:01:45.925 --> 00:01:46.405 Blonox. 00:01:47.425 --> 00:01:52.085 Blonox and that. For all you people who aren't familiar with Pittsburgh. 00:01:52.085 --> 00:01:55.445 If I'm hamming up my Pittsburgh accent, it's my favorite town to pronounce in 00:01:55.445 --> 00:01:57.385 my hammed up Pittsburgh accent. 00:01:57.565 --> 00:01:58.125 That's what you say? 00:01:58.425 --> 00:02:02.345 I should say if I'm chip chop hamming up my Pittsburgh accent. 00:02:02.445 --> 00:02:03.645 Chip that ham, baby. 00:02:04.405 --> 00:02:06.445 Ann's gone down to Moondogs and Blonox. 00:02:06.625 --> 00:02:07.405 Mm-hmm. 00:02:08.996 --> 00:02:14.476 Moondogs is a music cafe there anyway um what's the name of this beer again 00:02:14.476 --> 00:02:22.236 salesian foothill so they're foothills but they're salesian ones that's my guess 00:02:22.236 --> 00:02:28.176 at least based on english and the way modifiers work i just presumed that they were a uh, 00:02:29.516 --> 00:02:35.596 geographic feature of europe be my guess but i guess the border didn't work 00:02:35.596 --> 00:02:40.516 and and Cooper is still like no I can't get back out mommy, 00:02:42.656 --> 00:02:48.836 I'll go I'll try to see if I can corral him alright well while Greg is doing 00:02:48.836 --> 00:02:50.336 that when this show is coming off, 00:02:51.316 --> 00:02:58.276 it's a real banger you know we gotta end the year with a bang yeah so this uh the beer, 00:02:59.196 --> 00:03:06.996 is a hazy yellow almost like a you know it's a the polish pills it seems like 00:03:06.996 --> 00:03:10.716 it has a yeast taste to it you know it's not like a hazy grain haze or anything 00:03:10.716 --> 00:03:16.116 like that um almost like a killer pills or something like that i guess from the view of it. 00:03:19.916 --> 00:03:25.636 Aroma leads out like very almost like um golden grams maybe less honey than 00:03:25.636 --> 00:03:30.396 golden grams but kind of that that kind of crackery cereal thing yeah very bready 00:03:30.396 --> 00:03:35.296 but not like not like cooked like super cooked bread but just. 00:03:39.596 --> 00:03:46.156 The the hops are playing just a supporting role to kind of the malt aroma it 00:03:46.156 --> 00:03:51.056 has a kind of a crisp aroma but nothing like modern hoppy you know so, 00:03:53.636 --> 00:03:57.816 i like it it's pretty clean and crisp oh you already tasted it, 00:03:59.456 --> 00:04:08.696 yeah that works has a really great that light bread bit crackery note dries 00:04:08.696 --> 00:04:16.036 off really fast because of the christmas that is um that's a drinker right there it is, 00:04:18.316 --> 00:04:20.336 yeah this guy is um. 00:04:22.860 --> 00:04:30.500 This was you know because i'm looking for stuff generally that's not uh ipas yeah and. 00:04:32.740 --> 00:04:35.500 Occasionally i'll get an ipa but most of the time i'm looking for something 00:04:35.500 --> 00:04:38.000 that's not an ipa and i'm looking for something that in general is also not 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:42.740 like a milkshake style so that tends to limit my options yeah a lot of people 00:04:42.740 --> 00:04:48.140 are doing beers like italian pilsners like a moretti or peroni, 00:04:48.700 --> 00:04:51.240 or you don't see too many ones that are 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:54.300 labeled uh polish pills but really the point the point 00:04:54.300 --> 00:04:57.140 of my story is i've never found myself like 00:04:57.140 --> 00:04:59.960 in a mood maybe i haven't opened myself up 00:04:59.960 --> 00:05:03.100 to enough craft italian style pilsners but 00:05:03.100 --> 00:05:05.920 it's like i don't really why would i ever want to drink something that reminds me 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:10.000 of a peroni you know like well i 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:13.100 i just look at it like i just want want something that is gonna be enjoyable 00:05:13.100 --> 00:05:17.360 and then i'm not going to be like just 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:20.580 just another hazy that is 00:05:20.580 --> 00:05:23.400 you know yet another one that i can check off 00:05:23.400 --> 00:05:30.020 on on the list because i'm just i'm i feel like even the great hazies and there 00:05:30.020 --> 00:05:37.120 are some excellent hazies out there they have a sameness to them that nowadays 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:41.780 i'm looking for lagers and stuff like that because i want something that's, 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:48.860 you know i'm looking to for for stuff especially to go with like food and stuff like that to really. 00:05:50.840 --> 00:05:55.340 Either have a different character or to be a supporting character as opposed 00:05:55.340 --> 00:06:00.420 to the thing that's just going to blow all of my taste buds out with what it's 00:06:00.420 --> 00:06:03.900 giving right the more i'm The more I'm drinking this, the more I'm picking up 00:06:03.900 --> 00:06:05.800 kind of a melony note from the hops. 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:07.920 I'm picking up a lot of tannins. 00:06:08.060 --> 00:06:08.460 Okay. 00:06:09.940 --> 00:06:10.340 Yeah. 00:06:11.080 --> 00:06:12.380 How are they coming across? 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:20.960 Good. I like it. I really like this, actually, but it's got a lot of tannins in it. 00:06:24.400 --> 00:06:28.420 But i can't you can't identify identify what's 00:06:28.420 --> 00:06:31.160 interesting here is that there is a um there are 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:35.640 tasting notes and i'm not 00:06:35.640 --> 00:06:39.000 sure like one of them is fresh bread definitely that's in there the 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:44.520 other two are fruity stuff and um okay 00:06:44.520 --> 00:06:48.580 so they say citrus and bergamot i don't 00:06:48.580 --> 00:06:51.240 know i can kind of to see some of 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:54.120 the bergamot like the oiliness of it you 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:57.180 know it's adjacent to that melon that i'm dialing into 00:06:57.180 --> 00:07:00.120 right now so i'm thinking of you know some of the german beers 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:04.260 that use the huel melon hop right sure um i'm 00:07:04.260 --> 00:07:07.760 kind of adjacent in the same or in the same neighborhood of 00:07:07.760 --> 00:07:11.100 like kind of hoppy melon flavor in this 00:07:11.100 --> 00:07:15.780 beer um there is 00:07:15.780 --> 00:07:21.980 something a little more um there's a light spice coming out of it which is kind 00:07:21.980 --> 00:07:27.940 of associated with like kind of the bergamot type um flavors of of um like an 00:07:27.940 --> 00:07:31.260 earl grey tea or something i think this would go great with fish, 00:07:34.200 --> 00:07:36.520 fish and chips oh yeah. 00:07:42.460 --> 00:07:48.900 It's almost too delicate to be a good lawnmower beer in some sense because like 00:07:48.900 --> 00:07:56.260 Like, it's not going to, I don't know, feel as refreshing maybe as some other ones. 00:07:57.060 --> 00:08:01.000 It's just, it's got, I feel it's got some delicacy to it. 00:08:01.340 --> 00:08:06.060 Yeah. Yeah, you mentioned fish. I'm thinking, well, two things came into my 00:08:06.060 --> 00:08:11.320 mind, and that's either like a waffle or funnel cake. Kind of like. 00:08:11.960 --> 00:08:17.000 Interesting. I wasn't thinking sweet. But it would work. 00:08:17.100 --> 00:08:20.100 It kind of amplifies the breadiness. yeah yeah contrast where this 00:08:20.100 --> 00:08:22.900 goes herbal and melanie that would go 00:08:22.900 --> 00:08:25.860 you know yeah yeah it would work so and i 00:08:25.860 --> 00:08:31.000 was then i was trying to think that i just did i fish funnel cake out of the 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.740 same fryer that your fish and chips came from i was wondering right like is 00:08:35.740 --> 00:08:39.680 that what turned me on to funnel cake i don't know i mean if you were at uh 00:08:39.680 --> 00:08:42.980 the park then absolutely because because they only got one fryer. 00:08:46.180 --> 00:08:53.640 That was good. That was the Salesian Hills, Foothills from Old Thunderbrun Company. 00:08:53.800 --> 00:08:57.980 So it was mentioned before we started, but we didn't talk about it, 00:08:58.520 --> 00:09:03.880 that not only is Christmas coming up, but it's also your boy day soon. 00:09:04.060 --> 00:09:06.860 So I have some gifts, and I'm going to partial them out. 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:08.160 Oh, okay. 00:09:08.700 --> 00:09:10.320 My first gift is, 00:09:12.620 --> 00:09:19.240 Is this is a kitchen tool that I find to be really, really cool. 00:09:22.731 --> 00:09:26.671 They are a pair of thin tongs. 00:09:28.111 --> 00:09:31.911 They're like a combination between tongs and chopsticks in a way. 00:09:31.971 --> 00:09:38.151 They allow for you to, they're really, they're, you know, well-made sturdy and 00:09:38.151 --> 00:09:41.091 you can hold even big things or small things with them. 00:09:41.151 --> 00:09:44.131 But you can also be very dexterous with them too. 00:09:44.551 --> 00:09:47.231 Well, I mean, it's interesting because, I mean, ask Shannon. 00:09:47.311 --> 00:09:53.071 I often do cook with like the salad tongs, you know, the metal salad tongs. I like those, 00:09:55.151 --> 00:10:01.651 These seem a bit Dainty but I'll be happy To give them a try You'll be surprised 00:10:01.651 --> 00:10:07.471 at how well you can pick These up with those It'll be so easy to get like olives out of an olive jar Or, 00:10:08.591 --> 00:10:13.231 Pickles and stuff too Yeah I guess picking from jars totally That'd be useful 00:10:13.231 --> 00:10:16.411 I was thinking more of like working in the Walk or skillet or something Yeah 00:10:16.411 --> 00:10:21.171 like you can flip things over or something like that Oh yeah Bacon Yeah, 00:10:23.391 --> 00:10:27.211 these are cool. Thank you. And like I was trying to say, I already have a habit 00:10:27.211 --> 00:10:30.431 of preferring tongs over spoons and spatulas. 00:10:30.651 --> 00:10:34.971 So this will just be, I just didn't know I needed skinny tongs in my life. 00:10:35.431 --> 00:10:36.251 Now you know. 00:10:36.731 --> 00:10:39.151 Well, I don't know yet, but I do have them in my life. 00:10:41.211 --> 00:10:42.231 I'll never go back. 00:10:42.631 --> 00:10:43.491 Those are cool. 00:10:45.451 --> 00:10:47.071 So obviously these are gifts for both of you. 00:10:47.351 --> 00:10:52.631 Oh yeah, I'm totally going to use these. When I make bacon, these are perfect for bacon. 00:10:52.891 --> 00:10:54.471 Your idea of fishing things out of jars? 00:10:55.011 --> 00:10:55.371 Yeah. 00:10:55.371 --> 00:10:56.571 I like that idea a lot, too. 00:10:56.871 --> 00:11:01.251 Yeah, but you can use them right there like you are, like close up so you get 00:11:01.251 --> 00:11:05.571 a lot of dexterity, or you can fall back and still have a lot of control. 00:11:08.154 --> 00:11:09.114 They're also like. 00:11:10.474 --> 00:11:12.034 Yeah. Pluck my nose hairs. Yeah. 00:11:12.054 --> 00:11:14.574 Yeah. You can do that too. Awesome. 00:11:14.834 --> 00:11:18.094 All right. So our next beer, is it the next one in line? Yes. 00:11:18.114 --> 00:11:20.594 Oh, I'm not done yet. Hold on. Let me chug. 00:11:21.314 --> 00:11:22.354 Chug, chug, chug. 00:11:22.674 --> 00:11:28.134 All right. So this one from Bald Birds Brewing Company is Karate Explosion. 00:11:28.274 --> 00:11:32.934 And this was gifted to us, gifted to me by Dale at Hitchhiker. 00:11:33.094 --> 00:11:36.114 Oh, that's where it came from. That's right. Yeah. 00:11:36.114 --> 00:11:39.674 I went in to buy some beer. and this is his Christmas gift to us. 00:11:39.814 --> 00:11:40.554 Oh, how nice. 00:11:41.334 --> 00:11:45.334 Forgot about that. Dale, if you ever listen, I'm sorry. 00:11:45.554 --> 00:11:49.654 Let's get all three glasses over here because I want to do like a staggered pour. 00:11:49.934 --> 00:11:50.734 Karate explosion. 00:11:52.794 --> 00:11:54.554 Oh, staggered right on the table. 00:11:54.714 --> 00:11:57.434 This corner is not working for me very well. 00:11:57.674 --> 00:12:02.794 And it's dry hopped with, sorry, 7.5% alcohol by volume, dry hopped with Citra, 00:12:02.934 --> 00:12:08.454 Cryo Mosaic, and Cryo Simcoe. I don't understand what that exactly means. 00:12:08.974 --> 00:12:09.414 Cryo? 00:12:09.534 --> 00:12:17.854 It must mean maybe put, I think they put them through like liquid nitrogen and 00:12:17.854 --> 00:12:20.094 that maybe extracts some things from it. 00:12:20.134 --> 00:12:22.874 It's been a thing for a while now. 00:12:22.954 --> 00:12:26.194 And to be honest, I haven't looked it up. I don't know what the cryo process 00:12:26.194 --> 00:12:31.594 is. But it is definitely a thing people like for doing these, 00:12:31.614 --> 00:12:36.634 you know, like bleeding edge hoppy kind of beers and stuff. 00:12:37.054 --> 00:12:39.694 What are cryo hops? 00:12:39.954 --> 00:12:44.834 Greg. While Greg's doing the research, I will do the basics here. It is a hazy IPA. 00:12:44.954 --> 00:12:50.854 It's not completely cloudy like a wit beer or Hefeweizen. and you can kind of 00:12:50.854 --> 00:12:53.334 like peek around the corner and see some clearness through there, 00:12:53.434 --> 00:12:56.874 but it all has roused the sediment. 00:12:58.334 --> 00:13:00.254 The head looks like shaving cream. 00:13:07.554 --> 00:13:14.414 And it is a light gold color, much like the last one. Rome on this one, the hops are out front. 00:13:14.514 --> 00:13:16.074 Oh yeah, they're definitely out front. 00:13:18.534 --> 00:13:22.474 Citra hops did you say uh sorry i 00:13:22.474 --> 00:13:30.594 was reading about the cryo hops so citra cryo mosaic and cryo simcoe all right 00:13:30.594 --> 00:13:34.454 so yeah the you know it lines up with what you'd expect from those it starts 00:13:34.454 --> 00:13:40.034 off with kind of this candied orange and then it gets a little more tropical in there too, 00:13:40.894 --> 00:13:45.574 and i'm not really getting the signature simcoe any kind of dankness on the 00:13:45.574 --> 00:13:49.994 nose but but it probably is backing up, bolstering the flavor with some more 00:13:49.994 --> 00:13:50.914 bitterness, be my guess. 00:13:51.094 --> 00:13:55.374 It's a cryogenic hot processing technology used to separate whole cones into 00:13:55.374 --> 00:13:59.154 two components, concentrated lupulin and bract. 00:14:00.034 --> 00:14:00.814 Mm-hmm. 00:14:01.714 --> 00:14:02.994 Ooh, I like this. 00:14:08.187 --> 00:14:10.947 Interesting i believe the 00:14:10.947 --> 00:14:13.767 bract is kind of like the the armature that holds 00:14:13.767 --> 00:14:16.907 the lupulin glands you know like kind of the stem part inside there 00:14:16.907 --> 00:14:20.287 you know i see yeah lupulin is the stuff that 00:14:20.287 --> 00:14:25.507 is the main aroma compound goo 00:14:25.507 --> 00:14:28.147 and uh looks like 00:14:28.147 --> 00:14:30.827 pollen yeah i think it's 00:14:30.827 --> 00:14:34.307 bract is just the rest of the plant matter oh 00:14:34.307 --> 00:14:37.167 i guess i you might be 00:14:37.167 --> 00:14:40.187 right i seem to recall that the kind of the the tree-like 00:14:40.187 --> 00:14:43.427 structure inside that the lupine glands are attached to is the 00:14:43.427 --> 00:14:47.407 bract but i could just be inventing that whole memory is a modified or specialized 00:14:47.407 --> 00:14:50.367 leaf especially when associated with a reproductive structure such as a flower 00:14:50.367 --> 00:14:58.507 yeah so it's kind of that that stiffer um stem stem that's inside that grows 00:14:58.507 --> 00:15:03.167 almost like well i guess almost flowers you have the the really long, 00:15:03.867 --> 00:15:11.667 pistils right you know kind of like those but more in a pine tree orientation i see okay, 00:15:13.267 --> 00:15:19.787 i'm not really picking anything up specific it's it definitely smells sweeter 00:15:19.787 --> 00:15:21.287 than the last one The taste. 00:15:21.807 --> 00:15:29.067 I'm not able to pull any specific thing out. It's like everything's melded together so much that. 00:15:29.747 --> 00:15:33.267 That's one thing I've noticed with the cryo hops that I've paid attention to 00:15:33.267 --> 00:15:37.487 is they seem more muddy to me. 00:15:37.567 --> 00:15:39.907 I'm not trying to poop on them. I don't know. 00:15:40.167 --> 00:15:46.987 But like, I've never been excited by, ooh boy, another cryo hopped one. 00:15:46.987 --> 00:15:53.747 one um for the aroma it really punches right and then on the row on the flavor, 00:15:55.087 --> 00:15:58.547 there's just nothing there i was expecting clearer flavors and they're a bit 00:15:58.547 --> 00:16:06.327 muddled together you're getting some of that orange you're getting kind of a mushy mushy, 00:16:08.027 --> 00:16:14.187 guava or mushy mango or something yeah yeah i think you're right the the everything 00:16:14.187 --> 00:16:19.387 is more melded together which might 00:16:19.387 --> 00:16:25.167 work in the right circumstances if you wanted to really tame a hop but, 00:16:26.227 --> 00:16:31.667 like it might be good for Simcoe because Simcoe sometimes if you don't tame it. 00:16:33.335 --> 00:16:37.895 Uh, but I don't know if you want to do it with mosaic cause mosaic doesn't really need to be tamed. 00:16:37.895 --> 00:16:38.275 No. 00:16:40.955 --> 00:16:45.295 Um, it's probably like better yields or something, you know, that kind of thing. 00:16:45.295 --> 00:16:47.115 Or it, or it's just an experiment. 00:16:47.235 --> 00:16:50.195 It stores better. Uh, I've seen cryo around for a couple of years, 00:16:50.335 --> 00:16:55.435 but I just never took the, uh, initiative to research it. 00:16:56.215 --> 00:16:59.395 I figured it had something to do with putting the hops through something really cold. 00:17:00.095 --> 00:17:05.875 But yeah what i think it really is is that the flavor doesn't last yeah it's 00:17:05.875 --> 00:17:11.355 just kind of i don't know i was really looking forward to this one because on 00:17:11.355 --> 00:17:14.375 the nose i i got so much but then, 00:17:15.255 --> 00:17:19.335 tasting it i'm just not getting much of anything you get it up front and then 00:17:19.335 --> 00:17:23.075 it fades real fast fades real fast and you're sort of left with, 00:17:25.155 --> 00:17:28.675 kind of a a bitter readiness 00:17:28.675 --> 00:17:35.195 yeah i mean from my point of view kind of overall this is a fine hazy it's nothing 00:17:35.195 --> 00:17:41.815 excitable it's not bad i've had way worse yeah yeah this one's drinkable it's 00:17:41.815 --> 00:17:47.095 just lackluster i guess would be the right word yeah it doesn't it's not bold enough to really, 00:17:47.755 --> 00:17:50.735 be of, you know, any kind of remarkable stuff. 00:17:50.855 --> 00:17:54.615 So it is pretty unremarkable, which is. 00:17:55.035 --> 00:17:56.635 Oh, they're in Jersey Shore, PA. 00:17:56.835 --> 00:17:57.235 Mm-hmm. 00:17:57.715 --> 00:18:02.615 Funny. I just, we drove back from New York in October. We drove through Jersey Shore. 00:18:02.875 --> 00:18:06.895 And, you know, curiosity really got to me. Like, why is it called Jersey Shore? 00:18:07.115 --> 00:18:07.395 Mm-hmm. 00:18:07.395 --> 00:18:07.655 Do you know? 00:18:10.315 --> 00:18:13.655 I imagine it's because it's in Jersey and it might be somewhere near the shore. No, no, I'm sorry. 00:18:13.815 --> 00:18:16.155 It's in north central Pennsylvania. 00:18:16.295 --> 00:18:16.595 Oh. 00:18:17.095 --> 00:18:18.815 Like hundreds of miles from New Jersey. 00:18:18.955 --> 00:18:23.975 Oh, why is that called Jersey Shore? No, I have no idea. 00:18:24.075 --> 00:18:29.615 All right. So I, my first thought was, so back in like the twenties and thirties, 00:18:29.655 --> 00:18:30.655 there was this whole. Okay. 00:18:30.695 --> 00:18:32.115 I have a thought before you get it, but go ahead. 00:18:33.162 --> 00:18:33.442 Yeah. 00:18:33.722 --> 00:18:37.942 So this, this is a, this is what got me thinking down the wrong path, 00:18:38.062 --> 00:18:40.962 but it's an amusing story in the twenties and thirties in Florida, 00:18:41.102 --> 00:18:44.542 when they were kind of filling in all the swamps and stuff, they were having 00:18:44.542 --> 00:18:46.222 this huge real estate rush, right? 00:18:46.242 --> 00:18:49.682 People were buying parcels site unseen and whatnot. 00:18:49.862 --> 00:18:53.822 And some of them were getting like just swampy messes and stuff like that. 00:18:53.922 --> 00:18:57.402 And I was thinking that Jersey shore was something that happened in like the 00:18:57.402 --> 00:19:01.682 mid 1800s, late 1800s in New York, where people were just running these ads, 00:19:01.822 --> 00:19:05.082 like buy property at the the jersey shore right and then they ended up owning 00:19:05.082 --> 00:19:09.362 a deed to some property in that's not it but that's what my guess was okay here's 00:19:09.362 --> 00:19:11.962 here's a guess which requires a little bit of history, 00:19:12.502 --> 00:19:17.502 uh there's a town in new mexico called truth or consequences okay and the reason 00:19:17.502 --> 00:19:20.742 why it's called that is because there was a game show called truth or consequences 00:19:20.742 --> 00:19:25.362 and they offered to give some money to a town that would name itself okay after 00:19:25.362 --> 00:19:32.462 the show so now is it i don't know way back back in the 50s or something. Yeah, 1950. 00:19:34.442 --> 00:19:39.542 So Jersey Shore, the MTV show, had a similar contest. 00:19:39.942 --> 00:19:46.122 Way back in the 1760s. No, what it was, was there was two towns, 00:19:46.142 --> 00:19:49.162 one on each side of the river, or two settlements, I guess, like families. 00:19:50.242 --> 00:19:56.102 And the Jersey Shore is on the northwest shore of the West Branch of the Susquehanna. 00:19:56.122 --> 00:19:56.502 Sure. 00:19:56.502 --> 00:19:59.562 And there was the other people on the southeast shore 00:19:59.562 --> 00:20:02.402 well those people on the southeast shore apparently didn't care 00:20:02.402 --> 00:20:05.522 for the people across the river and those people originally from jersey 00:20:05.522 --> 00:20:10.722 so they were called it oh that's the jersey shore and it was called like williamsburg 00:20:10.722 --> 00:20:15.142 or something for a long time and then the name had stuck and now it's jersey 00:20:15.142 --> 00:20:21.242 shore yeah own it right so yes so now everyone whether they've heard of it or 00:20:21.242 --> 00:20:23.502 not oh you live in jersey Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania. 00:20:23.862 --> 00:20:24.122 Jersey Shore. 00:20:24.262 --> 00:20:27.542 Yeah, and then he owned it. He's like, yeah, yeah, live in Jersey Shore. That's right. 00:20:27.722 --> 00:20:33.182 That's the Jersey Shore over there. So, yeah, Curious got the best man. 00:20:33.242 --> 00:20:34.262 I had to look it up on Wikipedia. 00:20:34.622 --> 00:20:34.942 Cool. 00:20:36.949 --> 00:20:41.389 But yeah, so this is the angry karate kicker boy thing. 00:20:41.389 --> 00:20:42.529 Yeah, karate explosion. 00:20:43.209 --> 00:20:49.709 Karate explosion. And the problem is that the explosion doesn't last. 00:20:52.149 --> 00:20:56.809 7.4%? Yeah. I don't think it's worse. 00:20:57.009 --> 00:21:03.329 If it's a karate explosion, it's a karate explosion from a six-year-old who's learning karate. 00:21:03.329 --> 00:21:09.409 karate and it's like okay you show me you can do a kick and you know that that's 00:21:09.409 --> 00:21:13.649 more than the average six-year-old but i'm still not getting like pushed back by it, 00:21:15.049 --> 00:21:25.069 so yeah your karate explosion is just okay average it's not slightly white belt 00:21:25.069 --> 00:21:31.669 all right so i think we should switch beer the next beer and the second the last beer, 00:21:32.469 --> 00:21:36.989 just knowing how they taste I think it's a better progression which one are we going next? 00:21:37.069 --> 00:21:40.209 I think we should do Lawson's next okay, 00:21:43.109 --> 00:21:48.169 alright next beer is Lawson's Sip of Sunshine IPA which is I would say this 00:21:48.169 --> 00:21:55.269 was next on the list yeah I know I need to finish this or pour it out does anybody want it? 00:21:55.409 --> 00:22:00.069 don't plug it right there sorry Dale if you ever listen you could just do it 00:22:00.069 --> 00:22:06.149 quietly and not draw attention to dumping it out too late lawson's gotta be 00:22:06.149 --> 00:22:07.909 chill and honest with our listeners. 00:22:12.049 --> 00:22:14.829 All right uh so yeah lawson's sip of sunshine it's a 00:22:14.829 --> 00:22:17.689 vermont brewery we didn't get up to them on our 00:22:17.689 --> 00:22:20.749 great new england trip but they're available here in 00:22:20.749 --> 00:22:23.929 pittsburgh now and this is one of the 00:22:23.929 --> 00:22:26.929 beer first time i had this beer it was one of those oh 00:22:26.929 --> 00:22:30.169 my god new england ipas not hazy 00:22:30.169 --> 00:22:34.169 ipas but new england style ipas are amazing um 00:22:34.169 --> 00:22:37.089 oh my god you know and 00:22:37.089 --> 00:22:40.349 we got a four pack so i've had this and um let's 00:22:40.349 --> 00:22:44.969 just drink it and see how it comes out but it's kind of cool that these beers 00:22:44.969 --> 00:22:49.829 are available in pittsburgh what are you doing i'm trying to pour the beer i 00:22:49.829 --> 00:22:56.829 know okay just trying to figure out what time it was it's um by mount pillier 00:22:56.829 --> 00:22:59.349 somewhere it was south of where we were, 00:23:01.069 --> 00:23:07.709 Waitsfield, Vermont Waitsfield 8% alkyl by volume and, 00:23:09.449 --> 00:23:17.269 that's kind of it they don't really have a lot on there this one's not as light as. 00:23:19.542 --> 00:23:26.962 More orangey yeah it's it's got a little more of the a hint of orange or, 00:23:28.702 --> 00:23:31.422 copper i got a little bit of drags it's fine but you 00:23:31.422 --> 00:23:35.002 know no it's all right it was packaged october 9th 00:23:35.002 --> 00:23:39.662 um yeah it's weird we got back from our trip in new england where we got to 00:23:39.662 --> 00:23:46.062 go to an alchemist and to you know all these fiddlehead you know these like 00:23:46.062 --> 00:23:51.122 well-known breweries in new England and we come back and like they're all available 00:23:51.122 --> 00:23:54.022 here now smells like weed, 00:23:57.122 --> 00:24:02.282 I wasn't getting much aroma so uh because I kind of got we've got a little canned 00:24:02.282 --> 00:24:05.502 stratification so Jeff is now mixing so that, 00:24:09.622 --> 00:24:16.342 do you smell weed a little bit but not much I mean it's just a hint yeah definitely 00:24:16.342 --> 00:24:17.522 that's That's what I'm getting. 00:24:17.562 --> 00:24:22.542 I'm not really getting much of anything else. 00:24:22.922 --> 00:24:28.402 Yeah. So lots of these Vermont beers are available in Pittsburgh now, which is interesting. 00:24:28.562 --> 00:24:31.242 Ones that were like cult beers not too long ago. 00:24:31.442 --> 00:24:37.382 And now, like, I realized last Sunday that Heddy Topper is a shelf turd. 00:24:37.562 --> 00:24:43.362 Like, it's sitting at at least two beer places within 10 miles of us right now. 00:24:43.562 --> 00:24:45.202 They're really up to distribution on it. 00:24:45.202 --> 00:24:50.702 And at this point it's not that great anymore so way too late on that one yeah 00:24:50.702 --> 00:24:57.342 um so that's crazy sip of sunshine this beer we're having now was one first time i got to have, 00:24:58.182 --> 00:25:01.942 heady topper i also got to have this and this one just knocked my socks off 00:25:01.942 --> 00:25:05.642 so we'll see how this one is this one is almost three months old, 00:25:13.802 --> 00:25:18.262 orangey bitter yeah it's very bitter and it has a bite as follow through at 00:25:18.262 --> 00:25:24.742 least on the hops right these hops don't fade right away um so a big distinction 00:25:24.742 --> 00:25:28.622 from the last one yeah so the way the hops are lingering and how like apparently 00:25:28.622 --> 00:25:32.862 bitter they are that's like previous generation of how hops were used. 00:25:32.982 --> 00:25:37.402 You know, this is kind of, what was our, our generation two or three? 00:25:38.628 --> 00:25:43.108 I guess Generation 3, but right before Hazy's, when Simcoe and Mosaic were coming up. 00:25:43.648 --> 00:25:45.808 Okay, this is interesting. How do you define these generations? 00:25:46.368 --> 00:25:49.028 All right, well, it was a shorthand we used to use back in the day. 00:25:49.068 --> 00:25:52.928 Yeah, but we haven't done it in a while, so my scale's off. 00:25:53.268 --> 00:25:58.388 Generation 1 of craft beer, American hops, right? 00:25:58.528 --> 00:26:04.228 Or the sea hops, the Citra, the Cascade, the Centennial, things like that. 00:26:04.328 --> 00:26:07.488 So you get either citrusy grapefruit stuff. 00:26:07.648 --> 00:26:10.548 Orange grapefruit, or pine we should we should clarify that generation 00:26:10.548 --> 00:26:13.628 one of uh craft ipas like when ipas first 00:26:13.628 --> 00:26:17.128 became popular yeah yeah and then our generation two was 00:26:17.128 --> 00:26:20.328 like when simcoe is the hallmark of generation 00:26:20.328 --> 00:26:23.508 two yeah wouldn't generation two be like the 00:26:23.508 --> 00:26:26.348 arrogant bastards the the bitterness those are 00:26:26.348 --> 00:26:29.088 still the same hops though that's just the difference they were just going for a different 00:26:29.088 --> 00:26:31.768 that's just an intensity thing i still think you 00:26:31.768 --> 00:26:34.768 might want to call that a different generation although you may maybe that's 00:26:34.768 --> 00:26:38.448 more of like a west coast style as opposed to a generation generation 00:26:38.448 --> 00:26:41.188 i mean it was there was definitely a hops arms race in there 00:26:41.188 --> 00:26:44.288 yeah kind of overlaid of the 00:26:44.288 --> 00:26:47.148 the of the generation the hop flavoring kind so 00:26:47.148 --> 00:26:50.028 there's it is more sophisticated than just one scale is 00:26:50.028 --> 00:26:53.808 what you're saying yeah all right so simcoe um 00:26:53.808 --> 00:26:57.048 uh amarillo amarillo 00:26:57.048 --> 00:27:00.208 you know those hops right where they were aggressive as 00:27:00.208 --> 00:27:02.988 fuck right and you just would you know 00:27:02.988 --> 00:27:05.988 rake themselves themselves over your tongue and just 00:27:05.988 --> 00:27:11.668 leave you a puckered up yes and then generation three was when mosaic came out 00:27:11.668 --> 00:27:18.128 and then later or citra mosaic you know maybe in the galaxy where these hops 00:27:18.128 --> 00:27:23.968 had big hop flavor and they still had ibus but they weren't apparently bitter mm-hmm. 00:27:25.295 --> 00:27:32.775 And that goes from clear, crisp, hoppy Generation 3 IPAs through the hazy thing, right? 00:27:32.975 --> 00:27:38.475 And then I guess Generation 4 would be kind of cryo and stuff like that. 00:27:38.555 --> 00:27:48.115 Well, you got your Motuekas, you got your, what's the one that's like a wine one? 00:27:48.855 --> 00:27:49.655 Nelson's Vaughn. 00:27:49.675 --> 00:27:50.695 Nelson's Vaughn, thank you. 00:27:50.815 --> 00:27:55.055 Yeah, maybe those could be different. i kind of think those are kind of like 00:27:55.055 --> 00:28:00.755 the um if anything filling out of generation if anything 3.5. 00:28:00.755 --> 00:28:04.455 Yeah yeah yeah i can give it that there's they're 00:28:04.455 --> 00:28:07.395 you know elder millennial kind 00:28:07.395 --> 00:28:10.175 of thing so yeah so 00:28:10.175 --> 00:28:15.775 we're waiting on the hops that taste like you know chocolate and uh and red 00:28:15.775 --> 00:28:23.615 beef and just the ones that are like designed to to give entirely different 00:28:23.615 --> 00:28:26.935 flavors than you might expect this one tastes like beetroot so the more i drink 00:28:26.935 --> 00:28:29.395 this one the more this one does take me back to, 00:28:30.695 --> 00:28:35.475 those initial tastes of new england style ipas yeah but this is not as scratchy 00:28:35.475 --> 00:28:41.155 as for example heady topper right heady topper like there's a it's three months 00:28:41.155 --> 00:28:44.835 old okay that's true and there There is a little bit of bite to it, a little bit of scratch. 00:28:46.455 --> 00:28:48.735 But this is better than Heddy Topper. Yes. 00:28:49.575 --> 00:28:53.255 And I thought it did when I thought Heddy Topper was something to it. 00:28:53.475 --> 00:28:56.495 I thought Focal Banger was better than Heddy Topper. So it's so funny. 00:28:56.555 --> 00:28:59.855 The first time I had those three beers, this one and then the two from The Alchemist, 00:28:59.935 --> 00:29:05.215 was up at my dad's deer camp in the middle of Pennsylvania with a bunch of guys 00:29:05.215 --> 00:29:06.795 that don't drink good beer. 00:29:06.835 --> 00:29:10.075 Because one of the guy's brothers is from Vermont and drinks good beer. 00:29:10.075 --> 00:29:14.835 And he brought down this giant cooler filled with The Alchemist and Lawson's 00:29:14.835 --> 00:29:17.835 and one other one I can't think of right now. 00:29:19.516 --> 00:29:24.296 So, yeah, I had some of the best beer at deer camp. And my dad's deer camp. 00:29:24.396 --> 00:29:25.496 His one time at deer camp? 00:29:25.556 --> 00:29:26.056 At deer camp. 00:29:26.196 --> 00:29:30.696 My dad's deer camp. Because I like band camp. And also, my dad's deer camp isn't this like. 00:29:30.696 --> 00:29:33.376 Don't ask them what they did when they got, you know, alone in their tents. 00:29:35.896 --> 00:29:39.676 A lot of deer camps are like a cabin. And, like, you make it really, 00:29:39.716 --> 00:29:41.816 like, hot in there. And you just. Like when I. 00:29:42.056 --> 00:29:44.656 Oh. Yeah. Yeah, I know. You gotta make it hot in there. 00:29:44.796 --> 00:29:47.996 So, I'm thinking of, like, my buddy Dave's dad's deer camp, right? 00:29:47.996 --> 00:29:51.016 It is like just a multi-day feast. 00:29:51.176 --> 00:29:56.736 It's just like, and everything. And my dad's deer camp is a bunch of like parked RVs. 00:29:58.536 --> 00:30:04.936