WEBVTT 00:00:06.580 --> 00:00:13.860 Press Beer Radio episode 517 on January 13th, 2024. 00:00:18.340 --> 00:00:20.140 Welcome to Press Beer Radio. 00:00:20.400 --> 00:00:22.780 Live on tape from the kitchen studio. 00:00:24.300 --> 00:00:25.160 I'm Jeff. 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:26.000 I'm Shannon. 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:26.640 I'm Greg. 00:00:26.900 --> 00:00:31.700 And we're back for the new year. And we have some beers. 00:00:32.420 --> 00:00:34.900 Surprise. Really changing it up this year. 00:00:36.580 --> 00:00:44.540 Called craft beer radio to have some beers and yet here we are here we are what 00:00:44.540 --> 00:00:46.380 do we have first jeff what's on this list. 00:00:46.380 --> 00:00:52.200 This is the shredding pow the west coast style ipa from hop farm brewing company shredding. 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:53.540 Pow like a. 00:00:53.540 --> 00:00:57.060 Short for powder because there's ski goggles on the that would make sense. 00:00:57.060 --> 00:01:04.280 Oh it is a west coast style ipa i believe on the side of it it has information. 00:01:06.180 --> 00:01:08.980 Hit the slopes with our west 00:01:08.980 --> 00:01:15.240 coast style ipa dry hopped with galaxy nelson savan and uh that'll avalanche 00:01:15.240 --> 00:01:22.040 the senses with notes of grapefruit blah blah blah blah blah and lift the lift 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:26.860 in shredding pow perfect beer for the lift and shredding pow good. 00:01:26.860 --> 00:01:29.920 Slang for skiing in the freshly falling snow. 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.900 Kind of like what we could be doing right now in the freshly falling snow. 00:01:34.960 --> 00:01:36.100 There's no snow out there. 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:38.400 At the slopes, though. 00:01:38.980 --> 00:01:43.700 Oh. Well, yeah, there are some slopes out there that got huge blizzards, right? 00:01:43.820 --> 00:01:44.180 Yeah. 00:01:45.520 --> 00:01:47.040 But I'm not a skier, so. 00:01:47.880 --> 00:01:53.240 All right. So West Coast style IPA, so it's not supposed to be hazy. 00:01:53.360 --> 00:01:57.340 Now, this one has some haze to it, probably from the hopping. 00:01:58.360 --> 00:02:02.480 It is a gold with a light and diminishing head. 00:02:05.980 --> 00:02:07.400 It's a galaxy in there, right? 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:10.100 Yeah. Galaxy and Nelson. 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.140 First thing I smell is kind of grapefruit, grapefruit pith. 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:17.720 I was thinking guava, actually. Okay. 00:02:21.141 --> 00:02:22.341 Get a little bit of that, too. 00:02:24.281 --> 00:02:29.501 There's a bit of, like, sulfuriness there. Grapefruit doesn't have that sulfuriness, so. 00:02:32.701 --> 00:02:34.081 It's really cold. 00:02:34.821 --> 00:02:39.641 It is very cold. This was, I just bought it right before I came here. 00:02:39.801 --> 00:02:40.361 Oh, okay. 00:02:40.461 --> 00:02:47.481 And so it was in the fridge. It had actually just arrived at the store that day, so. 00:02:49.161 --> 00:02:54.121 Who knows? i have no idea what it tastes like um but i grabbed a four pack so. 00:02:54.121 --> 00:02:56.841 Well we're waiting for it to warm 00:02:56.841 --> 00:03:00.481 up i have a gripe so there's no it's a 00:03:00.481 --> 00:03:04.141 science great well it's a it's a science fiction okay so 00:03:04.141 --> 00:03:07.381 in those spoilers for um the 00:03:07.381 --> 00:03:10.761 last episode of the current season of for all mankind oh 00:03:10.761 --> 00:03:13.421 yes that that show so it's a 00:03:13.421 --> 00:03:18.541 decent show it's enjoyable i like it i like it's it's imagining the first settlement 00:03:18.541 --> 00:03:29.261 on mars in this season you know so okay it's the fourth season and it's they 00:03:29.261 --> 00:03:31.421 have they have a base on mars and. 00:03:31.421 --> 00:03:32.661 They how do they power it. 00:03:32.661 --> 00:03:35.441 Uh i they probably 00:03:35.441 --> 00:03:38.901 cover that i don't remember yeah probably fusion 00:03:38.901 --> 00:03:41.761 i don't know yeah they have fusion they have fusion yeah they 00:03:41.761 --> 00:03:47.721 have fusion in 2003 and for all mankind sure it it put all kinds of people out 00:03:47.721 --> 00:03:52.841 of work for that's part of the plot line is like all the old energy sector people 00:03:52.841 --> 00:03:57.821 out of work it was a big kind of change you know sea change in labor force and 00:03:57.821 --> 00:03:58.961 stuff like that but they also. 00:03:58.961 --> 00:03:59.681 They have magic. 00:03:59.681 --> 00:04:06.621 They discovered fusion um well the magic part so the gripe for me is they discover 00:04:06.621 --> 00:04:13.301 this asteroid that is going going nearby mars and they want to capture it into 00:04:13.301 --> 00:04:14.821 orbit so they can mine it because it's, 00:04:15.481 --> 00:04:18.261 a gajillion dollars of palladium and shit 00:04:18.261 --> 00:04:26.241 like that right sure um and nasa it like nasa russia they're kind of working 00:04:26.241 --> 00:04:30.641 together and they decide they're going to use a gravity assist on mars to set 00:04:30.641 --> 00:04:36.041 in a directory trajectory towards earth right and uh so because it would be 00:04:36.041 --> 00:04:37.141 cheaper to mine at at earth, 00:04:37.181 --> 00:04:41.001 earth would be able to reap the rewards better than mining it at Mars and transiting. 00:04:41.021 --> 00:04:45.341 Don't put it in L one or don't put it in a Lagrange point where it's going to 00:04:45.341 --> 00:04:48.721 be stable and, and not going to hit the earth and all that stuff. Right. 00:04:49.961 --> 00:04:56.001 Well, anyway, the, the, there's this, there's only, let's say there's 70 people on Mars. 00:04:56.121 --> 00:04:59.361 Like that's the size of the crew. Maybe, maybe 140, maybe double that. 00:04:59.401 --> 00:05:00.701 Right. That's how small the base is. 00:05:01.121 --> 00:05:06.461 And a couple people have like, Mars is their home now. 00:05:06.601 --> 00:05:12.141 And they feel if this asteroid gets rerouted to earth, then all the space agencies 00:05:12.141 --> 00:05:14.221 will minimize their investment in Mars. 00:05:14.401 --> 00:05:19.001 And so they, it's a heist, it's a heist caper where they decide to. 00:05:19.001 --> 00:05:20.601 It's even worse than I thought it was going to be. 00:05:20.701 --> 00:05:30.401 So they decide to break in and basically reroute the burn so it injects it into a Mars orbit. Okay? 00:05:30.581 --> 00:05:31.161 Mm-hmm. 00:05:31.981 --> 00:05:36.061 But the thing that gets me is if you wanted it to get into Mars orbit, 00:05:36.181 --> 00:05:38.301 you'd want it to fall deeper into Mars' gravity well. 00:05:38.401 --> 00:05:42.521 So you would start the burn earlier, not let the burn go on longer. 00:05:42.621 --> 00:05:48.541 That would be ineffective. ineffective because you'd want it to get in closer 00:05:48.541 --> 00:05:51.361 on the flyby so it gets captured versus. 00:05:51.361 --> 00:05:54.461 Well you're thinking not thinking about orbital mechanics right here i think 00:05:54.461 --> 00:06:00.801 no no no because you're what you want it to get the point is to circularize 00:06:00.801 --> 00:06:05.961 your orbit once once you get it to the right like apogee right so you're, 00:06:08.181 --> 00:06:11.521 Or I don't know. I'd have to think about it. 00:06:11.521 --> 00:06:14.621 Yeah. So I don't know. But in implementing 00:06:14.621 --> 00:06:18.401 this, they overrode the engine shutoff. So it burned for longer. 00:06:19.621 --> 00:06:23.301 Maybe it works. But I'm looking at like they have diagrams and stuff. 00:06:23.421 --> 00:06:29.501 And it's like you'd be more effective to have it pull closer to Mars on the 00:06:29.501 --> 00:06:33.221 ingress so it gets deeper in the gravity well and captured. 00:06:33.221 --> 00:06:38.641 you know so you would start the the maneuver earlier than if you were trying 00:06:38.641 --> 00:06:42.041 to use it as a slingshot towards earth i. 00:06:42.041 --> 00:06:44.801 Don't know orbital mechanics is is fun. 00:06:44.801 --> 00:06:45.661 Okay it. 00:06:45.661 --> 00:06:48.281 Doesn't work intuitively so. 00:06:48.281 --> 00:06:50.861 Beer's probably warm now so but. 00:06:50.861 --> 00:06:54.421 I will say like i thought it was going to be about oh they they accidentally 00:06:54.421 --> 00:06:57.981 threw it towards earth and they can't capture it it's going to hit the earth but no. 00:06:57.981 --> 00:07:01.741 No so when they first discovered this asteroid that's what i thought it was 00:07:01.741 --> 00:07:05.601 i I thought it was going to be a extinction of life on earth kind of thing. 00:07:05.681 --> 00:07:08.461 And then everyone would have to work together to reroute the asteroid. 00:07:08.601 --> 00:07:11.061 That's what, that's what I thought it was going to be when the, 00:07:11.121 --> 00:07:14.301 the lonely astronomer at the telescope, sure. 00:07:14.401 --> 00:07:17.721 You know, the radio telescope or whatever does, you know, discovered the thing, 00:07:17.821 --> 00:07:19.061 but that's not how it worked out. 00:07:21.961 --> 00:07:28.441 This beer has a dankness and a hop bite to it. Like it's, it's like scratchy. 00:07:28.461 --> 00:07:34.701 Yeah. But it's, It's West Coast without being like bitter bomb. 00:07:37.218 --> 00:07:43.518 Yeah. It's almost like a bit fresh hopped or, or the essence of hops versus hopped beer. 00:07:43.658 --> 00:07:48.758 Like it's so green, you know, like when you take a dry top even and roll it 00:07:48.758 --> 00:07:53.038 in your hands, kind of, it's, it's closer to that than usually comes across in beer. 00:07:54.118 --> 00:07:55.318 Yeah. So this is very fresh. 00:07:55.378 --> 00:07:58.838 I don't know if there's a date on this, but like I said, it came that day to the store. 00:07:59.118 --> 00:08:03.618 So I expect this, you know, it was right off the line practically. 00:08:03.618 --> 00:08:07.998 Yeah, so in beer, Shannon, tannins is almost always a production flaw where 00:08:07.998 --> 00:08:10.278 you mash too hot or steep the grains too long. 00:08:10.518 --> 00:08:16.318 You don't normally, I mean, if you extract tannins from the husks of the grain, that's a mistake. 00:08:16.538 --> 00:08:19.798 So usually it's probably something else you're tasting. 00:08:20.498 --> 00:08:22.778 It's just kind of minerally to me. 00:08:24.658 --> 00:08:28.518 Literally is a good pick yeah because i think it's it's got so much of that 00:08:28.518 --> 00:08:36.598 bright kind of and really fresh that it's um uh yeah it does have like a like 00:08:36.598 --> 00:08:40.858 yeah almost minerally or gravelly or something like that feels yeah i mean it. 00:08:40.858 --> 00:08:42.818 Does kind of have this like. 00:08:43.378 --> 00:08:44.438 Chunky pseudo. 00:08:44.438 --> 00:08:49.678 Gritty mouthfeel like it's not like it i don't think it's like i'm not feeling 00:08:49.678 --> 00:08:53.238 grits but my brain's saying it's gritty. Yeah. 00:08:53.438 --> 00:08:57.338 Yeah. No, it's not like it's, it's a liquid. Yeah, for sure. 00:08:57.618 --> 00:09:03.718 It's just, it leaves that. And I'm trying to think of what it is that I, 00:09:03.878 --> 00:09:14.298 it's candy that I like, but it leaves a gritty kind of texture on my tongue. 00:09:14.638 --> 00:09:18.018 Yeah. Um, it's not like toffee, right? Is it? 00:09:18.038 --> 00:09:19.898 No, it's not toffee. 00:09:20.978 --> 00:09:27.298 I remember speaking of candy the times we had had those hop candies that way 00:09:27.298 --> 00:09:29.698 the hops come through in the candies as a lot like how it's coming yeah. 00:09:32.250 --> 00:09:37.010 Not terrible, not, I think, especially, like, blow your mind interesting, either. 00:09:40.950 --> 00:09:45.310 I do, I am a fan of Hop Farms East, so I think that pretty much everything they 00:09:45.310 --> 00:09:51.430 make, I tend to give them, like, a little bit of a plus 0.5 or something, 00:09:51.530 --> 00:09:54.150 just because I do like the flavor of that yeast, so. 00:09:56.610 --> 00:09:57.430 I enjoyed it. 00:09:57.670 --> 00:09:59.170 Yeah, I like it. 00:10:00.110 --> 00:10:07.150 It had, I guess the best props I can give it is it had this notable hop punch 00:10:07.150 --> 00:10:13.730 without getting too catty, too dank, 00:10:13.950 --> 00:10:16.290 too much of anything, really. 00:10:16.670 --> 00:10:24.130 And it was kind of on the bright side, almost like a citrus type, 00:10:24.210 --> 00:10:29.070 you know, brightness to it. but we're to next. 00:10:30.330 --> 00:10:31.270 So I. 00:10:31.270 --> 00:10:37.890 Was just thinking it's kind of almost a, a grape that isn't real juicy. 00:10:38.510 --> 00:10:39.150 Okay. 00:10:39.210 --> 00:10:46.450 It's just kind of one of those that it's a purple grape that just doesn't have 00:10:46.450 --> 00:10:51.930 a whole lot of flavor, but it's got that powderiness on the interesting. 00:10:52.210 --> 00:10:54.090 Cause that's kind of what I'm getting. 00:10:54.250 --> 00:10:55.950 Like a Concord grape. Yeah. 00:11:01.050 --> 00:11:07.190 Yeah, that is reminding me of some like drinks that I've had that are not alcoholic, 00:11:07.350 --> 00:11:13.530 but they do have that scratchiness and grape soda might be one of those. So beyond or something. 00:11:17.030 --> 00:11:19.430 What do you pick now? So this is the kiln. 00:11:19.530 --> 00:11:22.310 This is kiln from Definitive Brewing Company. 00:11:22.490 --> 00:11:25.310 This is the main. Definitive's new barrel aging 00:11:25.310 --> 00:11:32.690 program with a focus on the marriage between adjuncts two bay stouts aged in 00:11:32.690 --> 00:11:37.570 bourbon barrels and then they say thoughtfully conditioned as opposed to just 00:11:37.570 --> 00:11:44.290 regular conditioned on vanilla marshmallow and cocoa 10.1% alcohol by volume, 00:11:45.350 --> 00:11:56.110 ignorantly conditioned still trying lazily conditioned haphazardly conditioned. 00:11:59.772 --> 00:12:05.432 They just kind of threw it at the barrel, and whatever landed inside the barrel got conditioned. 00:12:06.032 --> 00:12:09.732 Marshmallow truck just fell outside. Let's grab some of those. 00:12:10.852 --> 00:12:12.752 All those marshmallow trucks running around. 00:12:14.772 --> 00:12:25.692 When I was a teenager, I grew up in Florida, and a truckload of oranges wrecked right down the street. 00:12:27.672 --> 00:12:33.932 You got a lot of oranges. My friends and I, we were out there bagging up bags 00:12:33.932 --> 00:12:36.752 and bags and bags of oranges. It was great. 00:12:37.472 --> 00:12:38.912 What do you do with all those oranges? 00:12:39.692 --> 00:12:44.992 Well, we ate them. Probably gave some to friends. I. 00:12:44.992 --> 00:12:49.892 Could not remember which one was definitive on our MIDI brewers at Portland. 00:12:50.552 --> 00:12:53.412 It was one of the ones that was across the street from Allagash. 00:12:53.632 --> 00:12:57.292 Oh, okay. Oh, I remember it. 00:12:57.292 --> 00:13:01.212 The one that was closest right there almost like diagonally. 00:13:01.212 --> 00:13:02.152 Across the street. 00:13:02.152 --> 00:13:05.192 Yeah there's so greg just 00:13:05.192 --> 00:13:12.592 so you're aware um there is four breweries like three other breweries like orbiting 00:13:12.592 --> 00:13:17.892 alagash right there so like you know they're just banking on the popularity 00:13:17.892 --> 00:13:21.972 of people visiting alagash and you know make good beer i think we'll taste the 00:13:21.972 --> 00:13:24.712 definitive here in a moment don't want to pre-sell it yeah. 00:13:24.712 --> 00:13:30.692 I mean why not right i mean if you got a mecca for beer lovers of sorts then 00:13:30.692 --> 00:13:34.612 you might as well put other beer places there yeah. 00:13:34.612 --> 00:13:39.772 And it's it's an industrial park type thing so there's you know just buildings and is. 00:13:39.772 --> 00:13:43.112 This bottle does that mean it's bottle 93 of 250. 00:13:43.112 --> 00:13:45.292 Yes it does yeah that's pretty awesome, 00:13:48.717 --> 00:13:52.397 All right, so this beer pours Jet Black with no head. 00:13:55.197 --> 00:13:56.817 Smells amazing. Yep. 00:13:56.857 --> 00:13:59.417 The aroma is cocoa-y. 00:13:59.537 --> 00:14:04.177 Boozy. Campfire. A little bit of campfire. I did get an oakiness. 00:14:04.297 --> 00:14:07.497 A barrel oakiness first sniff. Second sniff, I was getting more dialed in on 00:14:07.497 --> 00:14:10.057 the cocoa part, chocolate part, or coffee part. 00:14:13.157 --> 00:14:14.717 Vanilla. Big vanilla nose. 00:14:14.917 --> 00:14:17.857 Yes. Lots of vanilla. Maybe a little bit of that marshmallow, too. 00:14:17.857 --> 00:14:22.977 Oh my gosh what i'll just tasted it it's awful yeah it's terrible, 00:14:28.137 --> 00:14:29.177 i'm gonna get warm with it. 00:14:29.177 --> 00:14:30.517 Before i taste it first yeah. 00:14:30.517 --> 00:14:33.617 It does i think it does need to warm up because i took a sip and i really got 00:14:33.617 --> 00:14:36.577 like just kind of like not. 00:14:36.577 --> 00:14:39.157 Very good vanilla like oh. 00:14:39.157 --> 00:14:39.937 Really like. 00:14:39.937 --> 00:14:41.997 My first sip was kind of like plasticky vanilla. 00:14:41.997 --> 00:14:44.397 Oh so it's not what i got warm it up. 00:14:44.397 --> 00:14:45.217 Okay. 00:14:45.217 --> 00:14:50.457 So as i'm as i'm smelling it now i'm getting a lot of like dutch processed cocoa, 00:14:53.597 --> 00:14:54.737 some of that marshmallow, 00:14:58.897 --> 00:14:59.417 okay, 00:15:08.777 --> 00:15:10.637 wonder what chocolate they used. 00:15:10.637 --> 00:15:17.537 I don't know but i like it it's a really dark very, very dark chocolate. 00:15:18.957 --> 00:15:23.057 I'm not, like the first thing that came to mind was actually Hershey's. No. Believe it or not. 00:15:23.097 --> 00:15:23.397 Really? 00:15:23.517 --> 00:15:23.757 Yeah. 00:15:24.017 --> 00:15:24.377 Wow. 00:15:27.117 --> 00:15:30.197 Which is not particularly dark. Maybe they use the dark one. Yeah. 00:15:34.807 --> 00:15:40.907 Yeah, it doesn't come across like pure high cacao chocolate. 00:15:41.007 --> 00:15:45.887 It has more of that gritty, chalky kind of character to it. And this one is more creamy. 00:15:46.827 --> 00:15:51.387 I had only taken one sip. Now I just had my second sip and it's warming up a little bit. 00:15:52.807 --> 00:15:56.407 It doesn't taste like it's as dark of a chocolate. 00:15:58.887 --> 00:16:00.547 Almost a Hershey's Kiss. 00:16:01.747 --> 00:16:07.687 Which is not bad, but it's also not like... the deep they they mentioned something 00:16:07.687 --> 00:16:12.067 in here about they think it tastes like we think it tastes like a boozy lava 00:16:12.067 --> 00:16:18.147 cake and i think of a lava cake is more deeper and it's chocolate a sweet, 00:16:20.627 --> 00:16:24.187 a good a good lava cake at any rate so. 00:16:24.187 --> 00:16:29.467 Actually like thinking of it like a lava cake beer makes makes more sense to 00:16:29.467 --> 00:16:35.327 me actually yeah um and was i like it a little bit drier a little less of that 00:16:35.327 --> 00:16:41.187 sweetness up front that almost like um vanilla milkshake mix kind of flavor. 00:16:41.187 --> 00:16:42.167 Right um. 00:16:42.167 --> 00:16:44.747 Yeah take that out if you can dial that back. 00:16:44.747 --> 00:16:49.887 I i think that i guess they're going for that because i guess the The marshmallow 00:16:49.887 --> 00:16:56.847 can kind of feel like the cream in a ganache, but it still feels a little, 00:16:57.427 --> 00:16:59.887 over sweet for me for what they're going for. 00:17:00.807 --> 00:17:05.487 Not that it's bad, but if I'm putting my big critical lens on here. 00:17:07.267 --> 00:17:08.887 I think it is too sweet. 00:17:09.027 --> 00:17:10.147 12.1%. 00:17:12.447 --> 00:17:13.667 12.1%. Yeah. 00:17:13.727 --> 00:17:15.147 That's what the label says. Yeah. 00:17:15.187 --> 00:17:17.767 So the description I'm reading is from a different one than it, 00:17:17.787 --> 00:17:20.527 because the description I'm reading is a 10.1. 00:17:20.567 --> 00:17:24.247 Maybe that's the number. Maybe that was bottle 92. Yeah. 00:17:34.159 --> 00:17:36.319 Not a beer to rush through. 00:17:36.459 --> 00:17:36.839 No. 00:17:36.879 --> 00:17:39.559 No, it's going to be a while. We should talk about something. 00:17:40.239 --> 00:17:44.519 Have you seen anything interesting come out of CES this week? 00:17:44.879 --> 00:17:49.699 No. I have looked at a few things that came through and nothing that looked at all interesting. 00:17:49.999 --> 00:17:56.999 Okay. The only thing I really did was I looked at articles for the weird stuff at CES. 00:17:58.679 --> 00:18:02.639 um company that's a spinoff out of cmu is 00:18:02.639 --> 00:18:06.199 making these things called moonwalkers which are 00:18:06.199 --> 00:18:10.479 kind of like shoe skates but 00:18:10.479 --> 00:18:15.699 they're battery powered but you i guess the benefit there with them is you don't 00:18:15.699 --> 00:18:18.859 have to do like a skating action like a rollerblade or roller skating action 00:18:18.859 --> 00:18:23.799 you just do walking and it they're kind of i guess going to be targeted for 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:26.899 like the fulfillment when people would Amazon warehouses and stuff like that. 00:18:26.999 --> 00:18:30.899 So like when you take a step, you get an extra foot or so on your step. 00:18:31.059 --> 00:18:37.279 So it saves a bunch of energy, but the shoes are only like good for like seven. 00:18:37.299 --> 00:18:39.239 Yeah, because the battery has to be tight. Like. 00:18:39.239 --> 00:18:44.119 Yeah, there's these weird ass things. You, if you go to the show notes page 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:45.859 on Discord, you'll see a little image. 00:18:47.419 --> 00:18:52.639 Watching a video of it in use, I'm a little less cynical of it than I was when 00:18:52.639 --> 00:18:55.399 I just heard about the idea, but I'm still pretty cynical because, 00:18:57.571 --> 00:19:00.671 They invented something that roller skates have done better for, 00:19:00.731 --> 00:19:02.551 what, 70 years? You know? 00:19:02.931 --> 00:19:07.131 Like, I guess you have to learn how to roller skate. These probably have a lower learning curve. 00:19:07.631 --> 00:19:11.411 But, like, all you have to do is stride with purpose, is what they told the 00:19:11.411 --> 00:19:14.891 Engadget guy when he was trying it out. Stride with purpose. 00:19:15.031 --> 00:19:15.631 Stride with purpose. 00:19:15.631 --> 00:19:21.811 Stride with purpose. That is a good, like, tagline for a movie, right? 00:19:23.551 --> 00:19:24.911 Oppenheimer, stride with purpose. 00:19:26.531 --> 00:19:30.851 We watched Barbie the other day. Yeah. We haven't seen Oppenheimer yet, but we watched Barbie. 00:19:31.771 --> 00:19:32.831 Good, right? I mean. 00:19:32.831 --> 00:19:33.331 It's not good. 00:19:33.591 --> 00:19:41.171 At first, I thought the way it wrapped up wasn't as good, but the beginning part was pretty good. 00:19:41.771 --> 00:19:45.611 I mean, just like Oppenheimer, you could shave an hour off of that one. 00:19:46.311 --> 00:19:47.391 It'd be 40 minutes. 00:19:48.371 --> 00:19:53.071 Well, no, Barbie was like two hours long, wasn't it? 00:19:53.171 --> 00:19:54.411 I don't know. I think. 00:19:54.411 --> 00:19:55.871 It was like an hour 40, something like that. 00:19:57.151 --> 00:19:58.491 I wasn't paying attention. 00:20:01.051 --> 00:20:01.811 It's pretty good. 00:20:02.111 --> 00:20:07.511 I mean, you got to give it up for, I mean, Ryan Gosling was amazing in it, right? 00:20:08.031 --> 00:20:08.471 Yes. 00:20:08.571 --> 00:20:08.791 Yeah. 00:20:08.891 --> 00:20:15.651 Yeah, he really was. It took me a minute to figure out who it was. Yeah. 00:20:16.611 --> 00:20:22.471 Men rule the world. What? and. 00:20:22.471 --> 00:20:28.631 Then this you know i usually don't love it when a when a non-musical does a 00:20:28.631 --> 00:20:36.251 musical number but it worked here yeah when they did the ken song i'm just ken. 00:20:40.011 --> 00:20:41.591 Yeah it was fun there. 00:20:41.591 --> 00:20:45.451 Was another song in that movie that i didn't realize was from that movie and 00:20:45.451 --> 00:20:46.911 I can't remember which one it was now. 00:20:49.431 --> 00:20:55.691 But I hear it all the time on Spotify and I didn't realize it was from the movie. 00:20:57.131 --> 00:21:01.931 I don't think it was. I mean, it was on the soundtrack, but you're not talking 00:21:01.931 --> 00:21:02.351 about one that was written. 00:21:02.351 --> 00:21:06.531 It was in the movie. I don't know if it was written for the movie, but it was in the movie. 00:21:06.911 --> 00:21:08.531 They actually performed it and sang it? 00:21:08.631 --> 00:21:11.191 I don't remember if they... 00:21:11.191 --> 00:21:14.131 I mean, there was ones where they're singing in the car. 00:21:14.271 --> 00:21:14.591 Yeah. 00:21:14.591 --> 00:21:16.031 Way out of Barbie town. 00:21:16.231 --> 00:21:16.451 Yeah. 00:21:16.551 --> 00:21:17.871 I don't know if it was. 00:21:17.871 --> 00:21:24.471 That's different than, you know, the Ken song, which was a orchestration and choreography for it. 00:21:29.378 --> 00:21:31.238 I'm not going to be able to down that one, y'all. 00:21:32.218 --> 00:21:32.618 No? 00:21:33.098 --> 00:21:34.378 No, it's just too sweet. 00:21:34.378 --> 00:21:35.678 Then you better find something good to talk about. 00:21:37.018 --> 00:21:37.418 Well. 00:21:37.838 --> 00:21:45.938 I could talk about. So I've been learning to deal with Fermi, 00:21:45.958 --> 00:21:47.918 who you know is quasi-snake. 00:21:48.698 --> 00:21:52.698 He's gotten better and better under my care, basically because I've learned 00:21:52.698 --> 00:21:56.298 how to sort of read him, understand him. 00:21:56.998 --> 00:22:01.398 He's gotten much better with me. Like he's more comfortable now than he was 00:22:01.398 --> 00:22:03.598 in everything changed for him. 00:22:03.938 --> 00:22:08.378 So he got a little bitey and this is a small, this is a spotted Python. 00:22:08.538 --> 00:22:14.018 This is not a big snake. So it was never any like danger or even pain to me, 00:22:14.078 --> 00:22:19.798 but it was just, it doesn't feel good when your snake bites you and you know, 00:22:19.818 --> 00:22:21.378 he's getting stressed out and all the other stuff. 00:22:21.478 --> 00:22:26.818 So, but I've, I've been sort of just understanding him and then like, 00:22:26.898 --> 00:22:30.818 and, And watching that and watching Penrose, my leopard gecko, 00:22:30.818 --> 00:22:34.998 and getting an idea of how reptiles, their cognition works. 00:22:36.378 --> 00:22:44.038 It's interesting. I have written some stuff down here because I think that it's, some of it's good. 00:22:44.218 --> 00:22:49.938 Some of it is very much conjecture. Some of it I think is sound. Yeah. 00:22:51.276 --> 00:22:56.156 But I do think that, like, my dad, he has this weird thing where he thinks that 00:22:56.156 --> 00:22:59.256 reptiles, or he used to, I don't know, he thinks that reptiles and other animals 00:22:59.256 --> 00:23:01.356 are just sort of, like, almost like robots. 00:23:02.236 --> 00:23:07.636 Where they just, they're always either seeking food or, like, that's it. 00:23:08.936 --> 00:23:14.116 That's the entirety of what they do. And, no, these animals have cognition. 00:23:15.116 --> 00:23:20.576 They're just, I think that they're slower than us for lots of reasons. 00:23:21.656 --> 00:23:27.896 um you know they're they're uh they're ectotherms not endotherms like us so 00:23:27.896 --> 00:23:32.496 they get more energy as they get warmer but well. 00:23:32.496 --> 00:23:33.136 I do too. 00:23:37.176 --> 00:23:44.856 But uh they are they i think that they also um it should be noted just because 00:23:44.856 --> 00:23:48.636 they're slower doesn't mean they're like less effective. Reptiles are very successful animals. 00:23:50.116 --> 00:23:55.176 Snakes are extraordinarily successful. Geckos are extraordinarily successful animals. 00:23:55.636 --> 00:23:59.296 So it's not like bad that they're slow. 00:23:59.376 --> 00:24:05.296 It's just what, you know, they've found this way of living which works. 00:24:05.736 --> 00:24:13.016 But so they, what I find they do is they kind of, they have an ego of sorts, 00:24:13.236 --> 00:24:18.756 which which is, um, their, their cognition part. 00:24:19.236 --> 00:24:25.896 And, uh, that responds to, you know, I would call it, uh, emotional states, 00:24:25.976 --> 00:24:27.176 primitive emotional states. 00:24:27.296 --> 00:24:31.876 And I mean, primitive, not in the sense that lesser, but in the sense that one 00:24:31.876 --> 00:24:37.476 of like what we call, uh, emotional states, it's a building block of it. 00:24:38.196 --> 00:24:45.196 So like what we would consider something like love is probably this plus a couple other things. 00:24:47.190 --> 00:24:54.690 Um, and I think that it, it just, what happens is that there's a slowness between 00:24:54.690 --> 00:24:57.850 the cognition happening and then telling the body to do something. 00:24:58.910 --> 00:25:04.690 So the, so it thinks, and then it tells this body to act. 00:25:06.210 --> 00:25:10.730 And there's a slowness in that, that just a transmission of that information to the body. 00:25:11.230 --> 00:25:16.470 And then it tells itself to, and then learns from, from the body then tells 00:25:16.470 --> 00:25:21.530 it what it what happened and then the brain thinks again so what you get is 00:25:21.530 --> 00:25:23.750 the reptile goes into modes, 00:25:24.770 --> 00:25:27.810 and when it's in one mode it won't 00:25:27.810 --> 00:25:30.810 go out of that mode until it thinks again whereas we have 00:25:30.810 --> 00:25:33.950 more of a parallel processing vibe to us we can 00:25:33.950 --> 00:25:37.130 respond to things a lot quicker and change 00:25:37.130 --> 00:25:45.050 our state quicker like i don't think a reptile would put its hand on something 00:25:45.050 --> 00:25:49.250 hot and then immediately completely come off it would have to put his hand in 00:25:49.250 --> 00:25:53.950 something that wait for that response to go into his brain to tell to put something off. 00:25:53.950 --> 00:26:05.490 But yes have what you in this framework of your understanding how do you uh 00:26:05.490 --> 00:26:11.110 explain like the predatorial aspect of it because if they were that If they 00:26:11.110 --> 00:26:12.630 were that slow, they'd never catch anything. 00:26:12.870 --> 00:26:16.910 So they go into modes, and their modes are like sleep, hunt, 00:26:17.150 --> 00:26:24.030 poop, explore, examine, alarm, something is trying to eat me. 00:26:24.510 --> 00:26:31.310 So they could tell their body to react in specific ways, but it seems clear 00:26:31.310 --> 00:26:32.710 when they go for something, 00:26:33.010 --> 00:26:38.350 their brain told them to strike, and they can't stop mid-strike when they're 00:26:38.350 --> 00:26:40.070 doing that. They just... 00:26:41.110 --> 00:26:46.590 their brain is told them to strike and they go. It's not, they're not pondering as they're doing it. 00:26:47.310 --> 00:26:49.830 In fact, ponder is probably not one of their modes. 00:26:51.410 --> 00:26:58.650 Like explore and examine is definitely there. They learn. I think clearly they learn. 00:27:00.370 --> 00:27:07.650 Cause they get used to things and they know their homes and stuff like that. They examine by smell. 00:27:08.850 --> 00:27:12.630 Tongues are quite sensitive. I don't think their eyes are very good when they're in examination mode. 00:27:13.070 --> 00:27:21.610 I think their eyes are mostly for kind of judging the overall state of things, 00:27:21.670 --> 00:27:22.850 but not when they're looking. 00:27:22.910 --> 00:27:27.050 When they're really close, they're just, they're using their tongue for stuff. 00:27:27.230 --> 00:27:30.170 But their brain probably ignores the visual field for the most part. 00:27:33.503 --> 00:27:36.363 But that's somewhat, some of my thinking on this. 00:27:36.423 --> 00:27:46.343 So if you, if you think about it, once you sort of learn to read the animal gets much, 00:27:46.443 --> 00:27:50.883 you can be much less like scared that it's going, you can sort of see, 00:27:50.983 --> 00:27:53.063 okay, it's in explore mode. 00:27:53.203 --> 00:27:56.443 It is not looking to bite or do anything like that. 00:27:56.483 --> 00:27:57.023 It's just like. 00:27:57.123 --> 00:28:01.123 It's, it's looking around and yeah. So you don't have anything to be worried about. 00:28:01.223 --> 00:28:02.343 So he's still biting you. 00:28:02.503 --> 00:28:07.263 No. No, he hasn't bit me for five months now. 00:28:07.403 --> 00:28:07.723 Nice. 00:28:08.463 --> 00:28:09.083 That's good. 00:28:10.443 --> 00:28:16.543 So just for everybody listening and for you all too, the song in the Barbie 00:28:16.543 --> 00:28:19.463 movie that I was trying to think of is What Was I Made For? 00:28:19.703 --> 00:28:20.663 What Was I Made For? 00:28:20.663 --> 00:28:21.303 By Billie Eilish. 00:28:21.583 --> 00:28:21.883 Okay. 00:28:22.043 --> 00:28:25.763 And it was written for, she did write it for the Barbie movie. 00:28:26.063 --> 00:28:31.663 Okay. Yeah. I don't think I have heard a single Billie Eilish song. 00:28:32.243 --> 00:28:34.883 Wow. He's a good artist. 00:28:37.103 --> 00:28:43.323 I'm just, regular listeners of the show know I'm just not into music. I know I'm weird. 00:28:45.163 --> 00:28:46.503 But, what are you going to do? 00:28:48.103 --> 00:28:52.523 I didn't rinse yours out yet because you still had some in yours. 00:28:52.743 --> 00:28:57.823 Thank you. This is the dump bucket. Jeff found the old dump bucket. 00:28:58.223 --> 00:29:01.123 And then proceeded to misplace it again. Somewhere downstairs. 00:29:01.743 --> 00:29:03.363 i think the dump bucket hides. 00:29:03.363 --> 00:29:06.923 Dump bucket is it doesn't want to be the dump bucket anymore. 00:29:06.923 --> 00:29:08.023 No oh. 00:29:08.023 --> 00:29:11.903 Is that the pink bucket that's outside that i keep seeing no. 00:29:11.903 --> 00:29:13.783 No it's the bud light. 00:29:13.783 --> 00:29:17.163