WEBVTT 00:00:08.527 --> 00:00:16.747 Craft Beer Radio, episode 521, on August 16th, 2024. 00:00:19.307 --> 00:00:24.067 Oh, yeah. Rocking out to that information society. Pure Energy, 00:00:24.207 --> 00:00:26.907 everybody. Hey, how you doing? I'm Greg. 00:00:27.147 --> 00:00:27.947 I'm Shannon. 00:00:28.127 --> 00:00:30.327 And Jeff. And we're back. 00:00:30.427 --> 00:00:30.947 We're back. 00:00:31.047 --> 00:00:36.587 We're back. It's been a bit, but we're back. We have a bunch of beers to drink 00:00:36.587 --> 00:00:37.987 tonight. Some new, some old. 00:00:39.827 --> 00:00:45.127 like this one is from our trip last summer to new england this is from hill 00:00:45.127 --> 00:00:53.647 farmstead and this is charlie which is a low alcohol very low farmhouse percent right. 00:00:53.647 --> 00:00:55.327 Two percent we're talking. 00:00:55.327 --> 00:00:58.247 Yes we'll see if i screwed up keeping the two percent beer in the fridge for 00:00:58.247 --> 00:01:00.947 a year but maybe not maybe. 00:01:00.947 --> 00:01:09.207 Not uh it's a photo aged hop with mosaic and simcoe uh they say it has an adjunct of whimsy. 00:01:10.427 --> 00:01:10.787 Whimsy. 00:01:11.767 --> 00:01:15.407 So while we're pouring, let me ask you guys, because we didn't talk much when 00:01:15.407 --> 00:01:17.967 I came in, because we wanted to save it for the show. How have you been? 00:01:18.047 --> 00:01:19.327 We haven't seen each other in a bit. 00:01:19.487 --> 00:01:23.067 We've been really good. Lots of, been busy doing lots of things. 00:01:23.207 --> 00:01:26.187 The most obvious thing you saw, we have the camper trailer. 00:01:26.447 --> 00:01:26.987 A new camper. 00:01:27.247 --> 00:01:28.127 Out in the driveway. 00:01:28.307 --> 00:01:31.587 That's how I'd like to stay. That's how I'd like to outdoors, if anything. 00:01:32.147 --> 00:01:32.507 Yeah. 00:01:32.627 --> 00:01:36.607 I mean, indoors. It was a bit of like, do I want to do that? 00:01:36.607 --> 00:01:41.687 but I think what we decided we're going to like work from the road. 00:01:41.747 --> 00:01:46.147 We've got Starlink, you know, we got a big battery pack and solar panels and stuff. 00:01:46.287 --> 00:01:53.267 So like we've done just a shakedown trip, like a weekend in one day working. 00:01:53.427 --> 00:01:57.627 And it was really hot that day. And I realized our black awning was like a radiator, 00:01:57.787 --> 00:01:59.847 like radiating down on us. 00:01:59.867 --> 00:02:03.147 So like I'm going to replace the awning with a white one. Um, 00:02:04.520 --> 00:02:08.100 But Shannon's going to make a quick trip to Florida to see the grandkids. 00:02:08.200 --> 00:02:11.920 But when she gets back, we're going to do like 10 days in like the Finger Lakes 00:02:11.920 --> 00:02:13.860 regions of New York and do stuff like that. 00:02:13.980 --> 00:02:16.320 So, and work during the day. 00:02:17.100 --> 00:02:23.260 There's this really cool thing that we found. It's an app and it's a membership. 00:02:23.500 --> 00:02:25.020 It's called Harvest Hosts. 00:02:25.420 --> 00:02:31.580 And they have like 5,000 farms, wineries, and breweries. 00:02:31.640 --> 00:02:38.680 And you can stay for free. They just ask you that you patronize the place. So like spend 30 bucks. 00:02:39.820 --> 00:02:45.660 It's so awesome being able to close down a brewery and not have to drive back to your camp. 00:02:45.760 --> 00:02:50.920 You just walk across the parking lot and get in your camper, go to bed. 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:56.060 So it's cool. It's the kind of camping where you don't have any kind of hookups, 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:58.580 right? They don't supply electricity or water or anything. 00:02:58.700 --> 00:03:03.180 So it's called boondocking when you camp like that. And so, you know, 00:03:03.180 --> 00:03:06.360 we got the battery pack and solar panels and whatnot. 00:03:06.720 --> 00:03:07.140 Everything. 00:03:07.500 --> 00:03:12.060 And I'm doing a bunch of tweaks after we decided we wanted done after the shakedown 00:03:12.060 --> 00:03:15.040 trip. And yeah, the next trip will be fun. 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:15.920 Yeah. 00:03:17.884 --> 00:03:19.064 And Cooper likes it. 00:03:19.544 --> 00:03:22.244 Yeah. And since we're going to be gone for long periods of time, 00:03:22.324 --> 00:03:26.064 I don't know how long, but we're going to take the dog with us and whatnot. All right. Charlie. 00:03:26.404 --> 00:03:28.484 Charlie. Cheers to Charlie. 00:03:28.984 --> 00:03:32.424 Charlie, which is named after a dog. According to the information, 00:03:32.604 --> 00:03:36.504 a lively, cheerful, Charlie, our faithful, loving, and steadfast companion, 00:03:36.624 --> 00:03:38.104 a golden retriever of renown. 00:03:38.144 --> 00:03:42.324 He ever, he adopted everyone on Hill Road and beyond, et cetera, et cetera. 00:03:42.544 --> 00:03:45.484 Well, that's a lot nicer than the name Charlie reminds me of, 00:03:45.504 --> 00:03:47.004 because it reminds me of Hurricane Charlie. 00:03:47.524 --> 00:03:54.604 that hit in florida when i still live there nasty business nasty business. 00:03:54.604 --> 00:03:59.504 It's a golden beer it's been sitting in the bottle for very long so it's pretty 00:03:59.504 --> 00:04:09.004 clear and has a tart tangy nose a little bit of um almost like a lemony thing 00:04:09.004 --> 00:04:10.784 going on there lemon wheat yeah. 00:04:10.784 --> 00:04:14.484 It's got got that farmhouse kind of aroma to it and it's got God, 00:04:14.504 --> 00:04:17.064 very clean and crisp taste. 00:04:17.144 --> 00:04:24.584 This is like an ideal table beer because you're not getting drunk off of this. 00:04:24.724 --> 00:04:25.024 No. 00:04:25.024 --> 00:04:29.824 You could drink six bottles of this and you'd be peeing a lot, 00:04:29.904 --> 00:04:32.884 but you would not be inebriated at all. 00:04:33.004 --> 00:04:36.444 Yeah, the tartness is significant, but it's not overpowering, 00:04:36.444 --> 00:04:39.804 but it balances kind of the lighter body of the beer. 00:04:39.884 --> 00:04:42.824 It gives you kind of a refreshing summer drink kind of vibe. 00:04:43.704 --> 00:04:45.624 Yeah i really like that. 00:04:45.624 --> 00:04:48.164 Kind of has a kombucha vibe to it with the sourness it. 00:04:48.164 --> 00:04:49.424 Does just a. 00:04:49.424 --> 00:04:50.604 Yeah it's. 00:04:50.604 --> 00:04:52.764 Such a small hint of the sourness. 00:04:52.764 --> 00:04:59.404 That i think it's well it is it's really well put together i'm really enjoying 00:04:59.404 --> 00:05:06.084 it it's a it looks very it's beautiful it's this clear golden not Not even golden, more like straw. 00:05:09.164 --> 00:05:11.484 Yeah, well done, Phil Farmstead. 00:05:11.944 --> 00:05:16.264 I'm glad the beer, you know, survived, being 2%. You know, usually the rules 00:05:16.264 --> 00:05:19.784 for cellaring beer are strong or dark or something like that. 00:05:19.824 --> 00:05:21.484 And this is a golden, but it is sour. 00:05:21.844 --> 00:05:25.404 It's sour. It's also, it's probably yeast in there, right? So it's alive. 00:05:26.384 --> 00:05:29.224 Yeah. Delicious. Big fan. 00:05:30.124 --> 00:05:32.224 Yeah, this is great. 00:05:34.664 --> 00:05:39.504 Yeah, so wrapping up that camper thing real quick, we did two nights at breweries. 00:05:39.604 --> 00:05:44.684 The first one was in Terra Alta, yeah, Terra Alta, West Virginia. 00:05:44.764 --> 00:05:48.484 It was called High Ground Brewing, and they had some really good stuff. 00:05:48.684 --> 00:05:50.084 Oh, yeah. They did. 00:05:50.284 --> 00:05:53.404 They had a selection of IPAs. A lot of them were hazy-ish, but the one that 00:05:53.404 --> 00:05:56.924 stuck in my mind was they had a brewed IPA that was like kind of melon-y, 00:05:57.004 --> 00:06:00.544 you know, hoppy. It was so good. Like, that's the one that stuck with me. 00:06:01.324 --> 00:06:06.504 um and then the second day was 1812 and we're having one of their beers tonight later on yeah. 00:06:11.595 --> 00:06:18.975 I was recently in Cape Cod, and I introduced my parents to extra special bitters. 00:06:19.915 --> 00:06:22.655 Because, you know, they may have been afraid of it before, because they would 00:06:22.655 --> 00:06:25.855 see bitter, perhaps, and be like, no. But then I was like, no, no, no, no. 00:06:27.335 --> 00:06:32.575 Give this a shot. Right up your alley. And yeah, they were very pleased. 00:06:32.795 --> 00:06:34.375 Yeah, doesn't mean what you think it means. 00:06:35.735 --> 00:06:38.715 So I told them, you know, it's going to be hard to find an ESP, 00:06:38.795 --> 00:06:42.995 unfortunately. unfortunately but when you do find one yeah grab it. 00:06:46.195 --> 00:06:49.195 Yeah and then i guess the next big project that 00:06:49.195 --> 00:06:51.975 i did was i don't know if you saw in the backyard the big white building beside 00:06:51.975 --> 00:06:59.175 the shed that's a solar kiln for drying lumber so i had uh some walnut that 00:06:59.175 --> 00:07:04.595 i got really cheap and i milled it up into boards slabs more tech more accurately 00:07:04.595 --> 00:07:06.955 for people that distinct differentiate, 00:07:07.135 --> 00:07:11.555 but, um, and then I called around and the guy that I used the dry lumber before 00:07:11.555 --> 00:07:13.175 he's booked up through the end of the year. 00:07:13.715 --> 00:07:16.755 And I called a different guy that I'll lead on. And it was going to cost me 00:07:16.755 --> 00:07:19.995 like 1300 to $1,500 to get this wood dried. 00:07:20.695 --> 00:07:27.535 And I started looking around and I could build a kiln for around $2,000 to dry 00:07:27.535 --> 00:07:30.415 that load and anything else I have in the future. 00:07:31.555 --> 00:07:34.315 Uh, so yeah, that's what that big white building in the back is. 00:07:34.315 --> 00:07:39.155 It's basically a greenhouse for drying wood kind of thing, has fans that circulate 00:07:39.155 --> 00:07:41.675 air and insulated walls to keep the heat in more. 00:07:42.115 --> 00:07:45.495 And yeah, so that's that. 00:07:47.195 --> 00:07:52.035 First batch is in. I'm not sure how long I should expect a batch to take to dry or whatnot. 00:07:53.355 --> 00:07:53.955 It's full. 00:07:54.195 --> 00:07:56.255 But think about this. You can then sell the services. 00:07:56.695 --> 00:07:57.135 Yeah. 00:07:57.135 --> 00:08:02.555 Yeah, I could either sell the wood at a higher price because it's dry, 00:08:02.835 --> 00:08:09.335 kiln-dried, or even better because it's less work is sell the spare capacity 00:08:09.335 --> 00:08:14.015 in the kiln to people that have milled their own wood. So we'll see if anyone's interested in that. 00:08:14.295 --> 00:08:20.255 But yeah, if I can do that, it will not take very long to make the money back on building the thing. 00:08:20.655 --> 00:08:21.895 You found your anvil. 00:08:24.415 --> 00:08:28.855 Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully. So that was a project. It's about done. 00:08:28.915 --> 00:08:30.755 It needs some paint. I just primed it the other day. 00:08:30.895 --> 00:08:35.235 But I mean, other than that, I have to put up a baffle in there too to help 00:08:35.235 --> 00:08:37.955 direct the airflow a little bit better. But that project's about done. 00:08:39.575 --> 00:08:44.375 And then, man, I got another project or something. Oh, we went to Washington, 00:08:44.535 --> 00:08:45.735 D.C. with the kids last weekend. 00:08:45.995 --> 00:08:49.775 How was that? We can talk about it. I mean, I can get into a bunch of detail, 00:08:49.935 --> 00:08:52.435 but let's move on to the next beer for ready. 00:08:53.195 --> 00:08:54.675 Well, I better drink up. 00:08:56.155 --> 00:08:57.415 Slammed down that 2%. 00:08:57.415 --> 00:08:58.155 That Charlie. 00:08:58.235 --> 00:08:58.475 Yeah. 00:08:58.575 --> 00:08:59.475 So good. 00:09:00.035 --> 00:09:00.975 It really is. 00:09:03.610 --> 00:09:14.610 All right uh let's go on to this um dark truce it's a wild dark wheat ale aged on plums, 00:09:15.710 --> 00:09:20.270 seven half a percent alcohol by volume this is from a lone pine this is in portland 00:09:20.270 --> 00:09:24.390 maine as well got this last year on the trip lone. 00:09:24.390 --> 00:09:24.750 Pine. 00:09:24.750 --> 00:09:27.670 Dark truce yes. 00:09:27.670 --> 00:09:33.750 At the uh write this stuff down There's a farmer's market I go to every week 00:09:33.750 --> 00:09:37.850 during the summer, and got some amazing plums there. 00:09:40.230 --> 00:09:46.070 They're smaller than you get at the grocery store, but they're tart and juicy and so good. 00:09:46.310 --> 00:09:50.930 Oh, they're so much fresher, because they're closer to ripe when they're picked, 00:09:51.070 --> 00:09:55.570 unlike grocery store ones, which are picked completely unripe and shipped. 00:09:55.790 --> 00:09:56.030 Yep. 00:09:56.930 --> 00:09:59.490 And ripened in ripening rooms here in town. 00:10:00.950 --> 00:10:05.090 Got that he got some peaches they're still hard to see that bottom so the peaches 00:10:05.090 --> 00:10:13.490 gotta wait on dark truce is a wild dark weed ale at 7.5% alcohol by volume no. 00:10:13.490 --> 00:10:15.150 I got it he said it. 00:10:18.930 --> 00:10:25.430 But this version is uh agent plums he said because there's one that's agent 00:10:25.430 --> 00:10:27.590 black currants apparently uh, 00:10:31.650 --> 00:10:32.310 All right. 00:10:32.330 --> 00:10:35.550 So this one pours thick and dark. 00:10:35.730 --> 00:10:38.990 It's wheat. It's dark. It has sourness to it. 00:10:39.010 --> 00:10:43.750 It looks like a hazy soda, cola kind of thing. 00:10:44.310 --> 00:10:46.630 It's like cola colored, but it's cloudy. 00:10:47.050 --> 00:10:48.070 It looks like plum juice. 00:10:48.270 --> 00:10:50.870 It looks like, I would say prune juice even. 00:10:50.870 --> 00:10:51.910 Prune juice. Yeah. 00:10:55.370 --> 00:11:00.890 The aroma has some funk to it. It's a tangy, fruity thing. i'm not sure how 00:11:00.890 --> 00:11:05.490 sour it is and how plum juicy it is it's somewhere in there though you know. 00:11:05.490 --> 00:11:10.990 It's got that pruney dr pepper thing going on i know dr pepper is not actually 00:11:10.990 --> 00:11:16.750 made with prunes but there's like there's a flavor that's reminiscent oh. 00:11:16.750 --> 00:11:18.590 I i can i can smell. 00:11:18.590 --> 00:11:19.170 It now yeah, 00:11:24.198 --> 00:11:29.618 Yeah, dark, not clear. Well, I'm worried it's just condensation. 00:11:29.618 --> 00:11:31.198 It's a weeded beer. That's hazy. 00:11:31.298 --> 00:11:31.898 Oh, yeah. Okay. 00:11:33.138 --> 00:11:37.978 It's probably from like the, you know, wheat, like a Dunkelweiss kind of haze, 00:11:37.978 --> 00:11:40.558 but with souring agents and fruit. 00:11:41.498 --> 00:11:43.398 Moving on to the flavor for me. 00:11:44.138 --> 00:11:45.358 Did you taste it already? 00:11:45.618 --> 00:11:48.418 I did, yes. The sour kind of bites real quick up front. 00:11:48.978 --> 00:11:53.258 And then some of the other flavors come through. it's kind of smoky and kind 00:11:53.258 --> 00:11:57.518 of roasted like if you look at roast you're smoky it went smoky for me. 00:11:59.458 --> 00:12:05.798 Oh yeah that is interesting because yeah it lays a sour foundation and then. 00:12:07.318 --> 00:12:11.818 Let's call second sip there's a little bit of like candied plum or something 00:12:11.818 --> 00:12:17.558 like that like almost like dry, you know, dehydrated, like fruit, 00:12:17.718 --> 00:12:21.358 like Christmas treats kind of thing. 00:12:21.678 --> 00:12:25.538 Yeah, it lays a sour foundation, goes plummy and then kind of pruney, 00:12:25.598 --> 00:12:28.678 and then almost chocolate. 00:12:28.678 --> 00:12:34.038 Chocolate-covered raisins is what I'm thinking of, chocolate-covered raisins. 00:12:35.198 --> 00:12:41.518 And like you said, smoky, like there's almost a wood-smoked aftertaste. That's interesting. 00:12:43.678 --> 00:12:46.718 This is the Dark Truce from Lone Pine. 00:12:49.658 --> 00:12:53.078 Huh. That's really interesting. 00:12:54.198 --> 00:12:58.538 There is a Lone Pine on the main state flag, so that's probably where the name comes from. 00:12:58.538 --> 00:13:04.838 Gotcha. Mixed fermentation ale aged 28 months on oak, so that's probably where 00:13:04.838 --> 00:13:06.078 the wood comes from, the oak. 00:13:06.778 --> 00:13:09.778 Oh, yeah. Yeah, D.C. 00:13:10.138 --> 00:13:15.118 was a lot of fun. We went Thursday through Sunday, and it was the weekend that 00:13:15.118 --> 00:13:17.858 the storm blew through. So Thursday and Friday were quite rainy. 00:13:18.218 --> 00:13:23.198 We did a bunch of the museums those days. I'll just rattle them off real quick 00:13:23.198 --> 00:13:24.178 if you want more details. 00:13:24.598 --> 00:13:29.578 The first one we did was the Museum of the American Indian, and then we went 00:13:29.578 --> 00:13:36.158 to the Museum of Black Culture and History, but it was closed. 00:13:36.238 --> 00:13:40.098 We had to buy free tickets online, but I guess the air conditioning or something 00:13:40.098 --> 00:13:41.858 was down. So I closed the building for the day. 00:13:42.298 --> 00:13:46.218 Uh, then we went to the American museum of American history. 00:13:46.918 --> 00:13:48.278 Um, and, 00:13:49.828 --> 00:13:52.428 And then we went to the Spy Museum because I wanted to try to get, 00:13:52.468 --> 00:13:55.868 because Max wasn't really into like normal museum stuff. 00:13:55.948 --> 00:13:58.188 And he liked the Spy Museum a little bit. 00:13:58.648 --> 00:14:04.748 Second day, Allie and I left right when the museums opened and went to Museum 00:14:04.748 --> 00:14:08.448 of African Art and Asian Art. She really liked that. 00:14:09.208 --> 00:14:14.328 Then we met up and did the Holocaust Museum, which was really rough. 00:14:14.548 --> 00:14:16.708 Bummer. Yeah. It's a bummer. 00:14:17.828 --> 00:14:18.788 I sobbed. 00:14:18.928 --> 00:14:19.408 Yeah. 00:14:19.408 --> 00:14:21.748 The whole time yeah. 00:14:21.748 --> 00:14:26.228 I would say the american indian museum's a bummer this one's a bummer times, 00:14:27.068 --> 00:14:32.228 a thousand yeah um then we went to, 00:14:34.068 --> 00:14:38.148 the natural history just a little bit because when we had time tickets to the 00:14:38.148 --> 00:14:39.468 air and space the one i worked. 00:14:39.468 --> 00:14:40.848 At natural history museum. 00:14:40.848 --> 00:14:42.168 Yeah you. 00:14:42.168 --> 00:14:45.948 Worked at oh really yeah i did not know that. 00:14:46.128 --> 00:14:52.148 When it was it was younger was an internship nice yeah a. 00:14:52.148 --> 00:14:56.088 Little bit nice to spend more time there yeah we were way behind we were like 00:14:56.088 --> 00:15:00.048 an hour behind schedule we spent a long time at. 00:15:00.048 --> 00:15:01.308 The holocaust museum yeah. 00:15:01.308 --> 00:15:03.828 So it's hard to get through that under. 00:15:03.828 --> 00:15:06.268 Four hours yeah because you really 00:15:06.268 --> 00:15:10.448 want to read and everything and take i wanted to take it all in you know. 00:15:10.448 --> 00:15:13.428 Yeah so i mean the way they 00:15:13.428 --> 00:15:16.608 told the story of circumstances 00:15:16.608 --> 00:15:19.728 like how germany evolved into the 00:15:19.728 --> 00:15:26.088 state that it did you know like it's really poignant and moving especially with 00:15:26.088 --> 00:15:33.248 some things happening in history today yes yeah so then we went to there in 00:15:33.248 --> 00:15:37.388 space and uh that one was actually one of the most disappointing Pointing ones. 00:15:38.108 --> 00:15:45.268 I mean, we got to see Neil Armstrong's moon suit, the, um, the command module. 00:15:45.388 --> 00:15:46.608 Can't think of the name of it right now. 00:15:47.788 --> 00:15:51.328 Um, in the right flyer, but then the rest of the stuff was kind of, eh. 00:15:51.788 --> 00:15:52.148 Yeah. 00:15:52.168 --> 00:15:56.888 It wasn't, uh, Eagle was the, was a lander. 00:15:59.035 --> 00:16:01.895 Yeah, it has a name. I just can't remember what the command module was. Yeah. 00:16:03.435 --> 00:16:07.555 Then Saturday was nice, so we did the outside walking. I tried to get passes 00:16:07.555 --> 00:16:10.575 for the Washington Monument, but I was too far back in line. 00:16:10.635 --> 00:16:12.895 I didn't leave the hotel early enough, so they sold out. 00:16:13.735 --> 00:16:18.775 So we just walked around and everything. The most notable thing there, from having been to D.C. 00:16:18.795 --> 00:16:22.355 several other times, is that this is the first time where we went to the World 00:16:22.355 --> 00:16:25.635 War II Memorial, and there weren't busloads of veterans. 00:16:26.615 --> 00:16:32.215 There wasn't any veterans there. and there's still about a hundred thousand 00:16:32.215 --> 00:16:37.695 that are still alive are there did you look did you yeah i would like before 00:16:37.695 --> 00:16:42.035 there were so many that it was just constant there was always groups of veterans 00:16:42.035 --> 00:16:45.975 there and it wasn't a single one and that was like huh we're getting towards the end, 00:16:46.775 --> 00:16:52.235 of that era you know um i've 00:16:52.235 --> 00:16:57.615 seen it before but this time the mlk memorial really struck me that one yeah 00:16:57.615 --> 00:17:01.975 like i i think i put the symbolism together about because the sculpture is incomplete 00:17:01.975 --> 00:17:07.135 you know so it's a work left you know unfinished kind of thing and i think that 00:17:07.135 --> 00:17:10.055 really struck me evocative. 00:17:10.055 --> 00:17:14.475 Yeah the holocaust museum too has that sort of brutalist architecture that's very evocative. 00:17:14.475 --> 00:17:18.095 Oh what then when you read the sign like you're standing on cobblestones from 00:17:18.095 --> 00:17:22.915 the crackout ghetto it's like yeah what like that that was one of the parts 00:17:22.915 --> 00:17:27.075 that got me was moving for me there um i'm. 00:17:27.075 --> 00:17:27.755 Walking through i. 00:17:27.755 --> 00:17:31.575 Couldn't find information on this but sorry and. 00:17:31.575 --> 00:17:36.175 Walking through the train oh yeah that that was the part that was, 00:17:38.375 --> 00:17:40.075 yeah really hard. 00:17:40.075 --> 00:17:45.495 You could i mean oh you thought you yeah tell them well my. 00:17:45.495 --> 00:17:53.575 Um my ex-husband my The boy's dad, his father escaped. 00:17:53.835 --> 00:17:54.455 Oh, wow. 00:17:55.675 --> 00:18:02.755 He was in Hungary with his family, and he was only 14 years old. And, yeah. 00:18:04.823 --> 00:18:10.303 He was being taken to a concentration camp on a train. He was captured. 00:18:10.463 --> 00:18:14.483 He was trying to escape, and he had a suitcase, just a little suitcase with 00:18:14.483 --> 00:18:16.403 a few clothes, and that was it. 00:18:16.523 --> 00:18:20.563 But he was captured. He was on the train on the way to the concentration camp, 00:18:20.663 --> 00:18:27.503 somehow jumped the train with a suitcase he was shot at, 14 years old. 00:18:28.463 --> 00:18:30.543 His suitcase was full of bullet holes. 00:18:32.623 --> 00:18:40.243 He didn't get hit. And he survived, made it to the States with literally the clothes on his back. 00:18:41.403 --> 00:18:51.143 His father died in that. And his mother survived it. 00:18:51.203 --> 00:18:57.183 She was taken underground and, you know, into a safe house somewhere. 00:18:57.383 --> 00:19:01.163 And I think they went from Hungary to Poland. And then that's where, 00:19:01.283 --> 00:19:05.323 you know, once they came, once they came into and invaded Poland, 00:19:05.423 --> 00:19:09.263 that's, I'm pretty sure that's how the story went. 00:19:09.303 --> 00:19:15.103 It's been 30 years since I, and he only told the story a couple of times. 00:19:16.043 --> 00:19:18.823 It's hard to live through and talk about it. 00:19:18.843 --> 00:19:26.563 Yeah. So he wasn't keen on talking about it too much, but yeah. So it was. 00:19:26.803 --> 00:19:27.063 What a story though. 00:19:27.123 --> 00:19:32.203 What a story. I mean, yeah. And I loved him dearly. He was, yeah, 00:19:32.343 --> 00:19:37.843 he was great, but he survived it. And, but, you know, it's really. 00:19:38.843 --> 00:19:39.663 One of the few. 00:19:40.783 --> 00:19:41.863 Yeah, one of the few. 00:19:43.636 --> 00:19:46.736 That was definitely a mood. I wasn't going to go. 00:19:47.616 --> 00:19:53.396 I actually, even that morning, refused to go because I knew that I wasn't going to be able to handle it. 00:19:53.496 --> 00:19:58.176 And I changed my mind at the last minute when he was getting the time tickets. 00:19:58.516 --> 00:20:01.556 And I'm glad I went. 00:20:02.776 --> 00:20:03.796 Very glad. 00:20:04.116 --> 00:20:07.636 Just because it's a bummer doesn't mean you shouldn't go see it. 00:20:07.636 --> 00:20:09.236 It's totally worth seeing. 00:20:09.656 --> 00:20:10.176 Absolutely. 00:20:10.536 --> 00:20:15.416 And experiencing. Yeah. You're not bringing dates there. 00:20:15.676 --> 00:20:15.996 No. 00:20:18.656 --> 00:20:19.316 No. 00:20:22.336 --> 00:20:28.016 I was very happy that I had a purse full of Kleenexes. 00:20:28.836 --> 00:20:31.276 I'm surprised they don't just offer them. 00:20:31.556 --> 00:20:32.856 Yeah. Yeah. 00:20:33.716 --> 00:20:38.876 Are you aware that the Thomas Jefferson statue in the Jefferson Memorial is 00:20:38.876 --> 00:20:40.476 looking across at the White House? 00:20:41.416 --> 00:20:42.076 Across? 00:20:42.076 --> 00:20:46.856 Like across the title pool and they keep the trees cleared so you can see the 00:20:46.856 --> 00:20:48.596 white house from the jefferson i was. 00:20:48.596 --> 00:20:49.956 Not aware of that you can't. 00:20:49.956 --> 00:20:55.136 And then i was and then i noticed that mlk is looking at the jefferson memorial 00:20:55.136 --> 00:20:59.776 but i couldn't find anything written that that that was like an intentional 00:20:59.776 --> 00:21:02.076 choice for any kind of symbolic thing but. 00:21:02.076 --> 00:21:07.676 I'm sure you could trace the if you trace all of the um where they're all looking 00:21:07.676 --> 00:21:12.816 you'll get some pentagram and somebody will have some something about how you know it's. 00:21:12.816 --> 00:21:16.736 Not but i've heard before that the jefferson is intentionally was set up to 00:21:16.736 --> 00:21:20.116 look at the white house and the park service keeps like you'll notice like there's 00:21:20.116 --> 00:21:24.356 just a little clearing in the tree so you can see the white house from the jefferson 00:21:24.356 --> 00:21:26.056 memorial it's not like you know. 00:21:26.056 --> 00:21:29.796 You know whatever whatever makes people happy. 00:21:29.796 --> 00:21:30.636 Yeah it. 00:21:30.636 --> 00:21:36.176 It feels silly to me but on the other hand it's such a minor thing i don't mind 00:21:36.176 --> 00:21:39.816 if If that's like, that's something that's there. 00:21:39.956 --> 00:21:40.356 Yeah. 00:21:40.416 --> 00:21:45.596 It feels just like a, yeah, it's a little way to celebrate him. Fine. Jefferson. 00:21:47.694 --> 00:21:51.534 important figure had some drawbacks not. 00:21:51.534 --> 00:21:54.334 A perfect man yeah but. 00:21:54.334 --> 00:21:55.594 You know a man of his time. 00:21:56.294 --> 00:21:59.254 For sure and that so that was 00:21:59.254 --> 00:22:05.174 what we did when the botanic gardens after that um sunday on the way out of 00:22:05.174 --> 00:22:08.574 town we went to arlington and watched the changing of the guard and then we 00:22:08.574 --> 00:22:14.754 went to the air and space museum out by the airport the udvar udvar hazi museum 00:22:14.754 --> 00:22:19.174 that was awesome That was everyone's favorite part of the trip. 00:22:19.594 --> 00:22:21.974 They have, I mean, some of the planes they have there, right? 00:22:21.994 --> 00:22:23.134 They have Space Shuttle Discovery. 00:22:24.094 --> 00:22:27.294 They have Concorde. They have an SR-71 Blackbird. 00:22:27.674 --> 00:22:32.574 They have a Nola Gay, which is, you know, the B-29 that dropped the first atomic bomb. 00:22:32.634 --> 00:22:34.314 That's awesome. I do. 00:22:34.654 --> 00:22:36.214 It was fantastic. 00:22:36.614 --> 00:22:41.874 I did see an SR-71 in person because when I was in Tucson and there was the 00:22:41.874 --> 00:22:47.694 Air Force Base there that we had our company at a party at. And so there was 00:22:47.694 --> 00:22:50.114 that, and there was an A-10, like two of these cool. 00:22:50.254 --> 00:22:54.234 Like legendary. I've never seen an SR-71 in person until then. 00:22:54.294 --> 00:23:00.254 I have seen an F-117, the Nighthawk, the original stealth fighter in person 00:23:00.254 --> 00:23:05.374 when I was in scouts, but never, never got to see the SR-71. So that was really cool. 00:23:05.594 --> 00:23:06.874 Yeah. Smaller than you might think. 00:23:07.534 --> 00:23:11.074 Uh, no, it was bigger than I would have imagined actually. Yeah. 00:23:11.554 --> 00:23:12.794 I mean, it was pretty big. 00:23:13.894 --> 00:23:18.594 Maybe. Maybe I'm, I mean, I mean, it was a while ago, so I might be misremembering. 00:23:18.654 --> 00:23:19.594 Big black plane. 00:23:20.014 --> 00:23:24.054 Yeah. I mean, I know, I know the plane. No doubt about the plane. 00:23:24.194 --> 00:23:29.154 It's just how big was it? I don't know. Maybe it was hard to judge. It was all indoors. 00:23:29.594 --> 00:23:33.354 Yeah. This one, you could walk all the way around it just outside of touching it. 00:23:33.534 --> 00:23:37.994 And, uh, it was really, really cool. Same with the, the spatial discovery was 00:23:37.994 --> 00:23:42.034 so cool because you get so close to it. 00:23:42.274 --> 00:23:42.634 Um. 00:23:44.955 --> 00:23:47.995 And I watched it launch when I was a kid. Yeah. 00:23:48.135 --> 00:23:52.635 I mean, I was right there, you know, I actually went with my family and we went 00:23:52.635 --> 00:23:54.255 to the Cape and we watched it. 00:23:55.075 --> 00:24:01.195 And then I watched it from home once it got high enough into the sky that I 00:24:01.195 --> 00:24:04.535 could see it, but which really didn't take too long at all. 00:24:06.235 --> 00:24:14.115 But yeah, so that was really cool. So I was like, I have this love for space 00:24:14.115 --> 00:24:18.995 shuttles anyways, but especially for that one because I saw it in person. 00:24:19.055 --> 00:24:23.755 You talk all about the space shuttle in the post show. As a machine, 00:24:23.835 --> 00:24:24.815 it's an amazing machine. 00:24:25.055 --> 00:24:29.915 As a spacecraft, it's a shitty spacecraft. 00:24:31.015 --> 00:24:31.455 Overcomplicated. 00:24:31.815 --> 00:24:32.255 Yeah. 00:24:32.455 --> 00:24:35.955 They never got the operating price down. Yeah, it has its flaws. 00:24:35.955 --> 00:24:38.935 they actually had a guy on a big 00:24:38.935 --> 00:24:44.035 screen on teams from uh detroit yeah who was a virtual volunteer and you could 00:24:44.035 --> 00:24:46.815 stand in front of the tv and like ask him questions about the space shuttle 00:24:46.815 --> 00:24:52.615 that's cool and he knew knew at least all the trivial stuff for uh like you 00:24:52.615 --> 00:24:56.415 know all the questions little kids love to ask you know he was like that that's 00:24:56.415 --> 00:24:57.815 his sweet spot right yeah. 00:24:57.815 --> 00:25:03.155 That was like when i went to the in houston when i went to mission control the 00:25:03.155 --> 00:25:08.475 the guy who clearly rehearsed his bit but and he had lots of cool facts but 00:25:08.475 --> 00:25:11.735 when i asked him some like more hardcore questions he, 00:25:12.315 --> 00:25:13.935 didn't quite know how to answer them. 00:25:13.935 --> 00:25:16.995 Yeah i i 00:25:16.995 --> 00:25:19.795 i don't know what you 00:25:19.795 --> 00:25:24.835 think but like going around that museum and explaining to max and shannon and 00:25:24.835 --> 00:25:31.095 ally like like i'm like holy shit i know a lot a lot about airplanes and space 00:25:31.095 --> 00:25:37.955 travel like like i wouldn't have thought like i like i was practically a tour guide like yeah. 00:25:37.955 --> 00:25:38.795 You are well. 00:25:38.795 --> 00:25:41.475 A lot of it is also like it's not just this. 00:25:41.475 --> 00:25:46.295 Is the uh center lens incognita okay. 00:25:46.295 --> 00:25:48.155 I gotta move this other one down the list. 00:25:49.395 --> 00:25:54.375 It is what you can recall right it's like some you're better at recalling those 00:25:54.375 --> 00:25:57.875 kind of things and other kind of things and because other people could read 00:25:57.875 --> 00:26:00.595 the same thing and just not have the same recall yeah. 00:26:00.595 --> 00:26:04.215 I mean it just it's the kind of thing especially when i was a teenager and stuff 00:26:04.215 --> 00:26:10.615 it was like you know warplanes were like the thing and then you know space history 00:26:10.615 --> 00:26:19.255 like i was identifying things like without the like they have they have the um what's. 00:26:19.255 --> 00:26:20.655 That it's It's dripping on your. 00:26:20.655 --> 00:26:26.775 Machine. They had the instrument ring for the Saturn V rocket mounted, 00:26:26.915 --> 00:26:29.215 you know, like up in the air, like by itself. 00:26:29.635 --> 00:26:32.495 And I'm like, oh, that's, I know what that is. Yeah. 00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:41.959 Craig's looking up his trip to. Oh, yeah, that's that's the blackbird. 00:26:43.739 --> 00:26:49.079 The lighting makes that one look even cooler. And purple lights under the. 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:51.299 Oh, yeah, it sure does. It looks like a spaceship. 00:26:52.979 --> 00:26:56.699 In D.C., it was just lit normally. It looked like a stealth plane. 00:26:56.739 --> 00:26:57.759 That looks like a spaceship. 00:26:58.059 --> 00:27:00.279