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Welcome to Ye Olde Veer Show. CBR. Welcome to CBR. Uh, classic.

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Oh, yeah, I guess so, because, uh, because Jenin's in Florida right now,

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so we're, we're doing the show without her, and it's gonna be,

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well, no, it's not gonna be like old times, because we're drinking a daiquiri right now. Yes.

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We are starting with, oh, by the way, I know that the Y in ye is really Thor,

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and it's the, you don't have to, yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah.

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So this is, this is what I, when I was in Cape Cod, this was kind of the cocktail that was my go-to.

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Okay. Because it's easy to get, you know, because you have to fill up everything, right?

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You have to buy all the stuff. So this is just, you have to buy one ingredient,

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basically. and plus the limes. And it's such a classic.

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It's a true classic. This is a daiquiri. This is just rum, sugar, and lime.

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And let's see if it works.

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I've noticed you really like citrus-based drinks. You're always making things

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with limes and lemons and stuff.

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I have really fallen into that spell, yeah, I guess.

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I think that it's not that the all-alcohol cocktails don't work.

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It's just that there's something fresher to me about giving those,

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you know, that extra liveliness that comes from the fresh juice.

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We should go to Hidden Harbor and get some tiki drinks.

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Yeah, so this is not a daiquiri that you'd find on, you know, the frozen whatever.

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Men use Applebee's. This is just a pure classic daiquiri.

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And it's a pretty classic combination. It's hard to go wrong. Lime juice.

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A little bit of rum flavor. I mean, the white rum that I have here is just,

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what does that say? Just Bacardi.

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Yeah, Bacardi. So it's not bringing too much more than your base rum flavors.

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I usually have, I mean, I do have the Hidden Harbor up there.

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I hate to use that in cocktails. but we can, if the cocktail showcases rum,

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then it's time to use it, that kind of thing. Absolutely.

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And so that's what that's for. But I usually have like Maggie's white rum.

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Apparently we're out. So I have a lot of other rums that aren't white.

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Yeah, I think that the Demerara sugar, which we made the syrup with,

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adds a little different of a touch to it, which is nice.

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Yeah, I get the big bags of sugar in the raw at Sam's Club.

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So it's just like the best, most economical way to make a decent, simple syrup.

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Otherwise, you know, you're paying a lot more for, you know, cane sugar or Marat.

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What's the other one? So I think this is actually Turbinado sugar and Demerara

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is similar, but I think it's lighter.

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I don't know the difference. Yeah.

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And then, of course, you know, simple syrup with beet sugar is no-go.

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So we have the daiquiri. We have some other beers tonight. Our first beer.

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We're not getting onto it just yet. But this is from Coaster,

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our new local brewery. They just put out their Oktoberfest yesterday.

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Oh, okay. So look, it was canned on 8-28. Wow.

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So we'll have one of those. That'll be our first true beer coming into the show.

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Yeah, so we're doing this on the 30th.

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And so, wow, two days from canning.

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Hopefully it hasn't gone bad since then. No, I mean, I had the other three last night.

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I was over at a friend's house, and they were like four minutes from CoStar.

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So I went there, and there was this Guatemalan food truck.

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And so I had this, like, pork sausage.

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It wasn't like a Cuban, but of my vocabulary, it was most like a Cuban because

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it was on that kind of bread.

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It had mustard on it. It had pork, you know. but it was a pork sausage that

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was, you know, Guatemalan kind of seasoning. So it wasn't like Teresa or anything.

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And it had, it had, um, cabbage, like a pickle cabbage on it. And, um.

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I forget what the sauces were. But pretty classic. Hard to go wrong with a sandwich like that.

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Especially with that bread. When you do that kind of like Cuban bread or whatnot.

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The panini press? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's just so good.

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But then, yeah, so I had an Oktoberfest there. Then I had two stanges of Kolsch.

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And that was really, that was actually, I like that better than the Oktoberfest. It was really good.

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So good job, CoStar. Keep it up. All right, CoStar. I'll be looking towards

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you. We're still on the daiquiri. Yeah.

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So yeah, I think I talked about how the camp went. And yeah,

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this was just my go-to drink because it was easy.

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And didn't have to have... You know, I brought some Campari,

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but I didn't have... Brought some gin, too, but I didn't have any vermouth.

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So that made Negroni's hard.

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And didn't want to go and get... I mean, there's plenty of places to buy alcohol.

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It wasn't like there was...

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It wasn't like it was unavailable. it was just like well one of it how am i

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gonna buy this stuff and then like leave most of it here,

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yeah yeah vacation's weird that way right like if you're everyone's flying in

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you have to basically shop from scratch it costs so much to stock up the cottage

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or whatever so yeah i'm able to bring some stuff up from my sisters because

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it's only like an hour and a half drive but it's still it's,

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you have to think like what is she going to use or is it just going to be stuff

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that gets left right you know for I mean alcohol doesn't go bad over a couple

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years but some groceries do and so you still have to,

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yeah like the vermouths they're not going to make any vermouth based drinks

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yeah you know that has to you're just going to throw that out so,

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and you can feed it in the fridge for a long time and it should be fine but

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then you're tying up your sister's fridge yeah yeah 51 weeks a year Here. Mm.

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Pretty good. Yeah, pretty good. So easy to make.

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Yeah. Let's see. What have I been doing? Shannon's out of town.

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I got the electrical work done in the camper, and I needed to drain the tanks.

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The toilet tank, you know. They call it the black tank.

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Because when we got done with our last trip, we went to the truck stop near

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the campground and drained the tanks.

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Except we're total newbies and there wasn't

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enough in the tank to effectively drain the

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tank i see so like a turd came out like that's it you know like so like can't

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you just pour water into the tank well i didn't again a newbie so i didn't think

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of filling up the tank before i flushed it so once we got home i put a bunch

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of water in it and i just needed to like it's been sitting i I need to dump it.

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It's so stupid. I live in this, like, dump dead zone.

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Like, I had to drive 45 minutes to the closest park that has, like, a dump station.

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You can't just do, like, in Christmas Vacation, sugar's full.

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Put it in the storm drain? No.

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If I had, like, access to my sore pipe,

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like, if I had a stack vent, like, nearby, by i couldn't again if like the level

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of the driveway or if it worked out you could run it down there um but this

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house doesn't even have a stack vent like i don't even know where the sewer

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drain is it's probably in this corner it's probably 15 feet down you know it's um,

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i mean there is a drain in the garage that goes into the sewer but not like

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i don't know i'm like Like, I don't know if I'm going to run poop down that.

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So I went and, like, if I'm going to go 45 minutes out and pay to use the dump

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station, maybe I should just camp there.

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So I spent two nights there. I was going to spend, I worked one day there.

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I was going to work a second day, but that was the day it was going to be, like, 93 degrees.

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And it's like, that's stupid. I'm just going to come home and work here. Yeah.

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The interesting thing in Cape Cod is that it's not a sewer system.

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They're all septic tanks because they're too low so that if sewers break,

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it gets in everywhere, and that's not good.

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So when you're renting a place, that doesn't really matter that much except

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the big thing you notice is there's no garbage disposals.

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You can't do that.

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So those things get pretty gross. I just have to deal with it and scoop up the

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gookin'. Oh, in the sink, yeah. Yeah.

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So then the story gets, you know, so I went out there, I spent two days.

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It's the closest dump station.

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So I go to dump it. And then like the rinse hose there has this old timey like

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angled thing on, like when you used to be able to like to rinse it from the top or something.

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And I'm like, there's no, I need to thread it on a hose to put it into the rinser.

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I'm like, I don't know. Fuck, I can't rinse this thing.

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And I left. left and i came home and i watched more youtube on

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how to rv like i had a black tank maintenance which is

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like the worst part of rving and like the

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the overwhelming part because like

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you don't want to get poo like you don't want to have a

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poo nightmare yes either way get it on you get it clogged whatever

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you just don't want a poo nightmare and um it turns

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out that title for this for this show by the way poo nightmare um i'm

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trying to remember that poo nightmare parentheses you don't

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want it right um you know

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and i get home and guys like you know like the first one i watch is like some of

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them have these things on it they unscrew like but i

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couldn't see that it unscrewed because they had they had

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like a a tennis ball like a dog ball like over the bottom of it to keep things

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from sliding in too far or something like that and i'm guessing that ball was

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over where i could see the threads were so i didn't know it was threaded i thought

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it was just you know permanent you know crimped on so i still haven't rinsed

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the tag right and now it's like do i go back out,

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i and actually shannon and i are probably leaving for a trip on like thursday

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so we'll just first night we'll fill up with a bunch of water and rinse it she's

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really doing a lot of traveling got the camper gotta get her money's worth out

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of it that's true all right this is the co-star Oktoberfest,

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first time they've made it, came out yesterday.

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Wow, so the initial aroma I was getting was corn.

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Okay. Which is weird, right? Mm-hmm. Because looking at this,

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it's a 5.2% Oktoberfest, traditional Martian style.

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I mean, I don't get corn. I mean, but I do notice, like, it's not as bread crusty

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as you might expect, right? So the malt's a little cleaner.

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So if you're expecting, like, this big old rustic crust aroma and it's not there,

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I can see where, like, your nose would get led astray.

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I mean, I just was going with what my nose was telling me.

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If I dig deeper into it, though, I get the biscuit.

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But I have to, like, think about it. I have to prime my brain.

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Sure. I mean, that's like when you said corn, my tangent was,

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I can see how because it's lacking a certain aspect, like your nose slips out

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from under you kind of thing.

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Yeah, without context, your brain just goes for what it makes a pattern.

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I need a pattern. Oh, corn. Close enough. Let's go with it.

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Yeah, so it is less like rustic crusty, but there is a biscuitiness there.

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To me, it is a lighter in the range of Oktoberfest.

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It has a lighter malt aroma to it than most, but it is there.

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Color is not super dark, but, you know, not like golden.

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It's got. It's like a, it's a deep gold orange. Amber-ish.

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Closing in on amber with gold tinge.

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Hmm.

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Flavor the body is medium full i

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would say very smooth like it kind of

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has this kind of coating character you know

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in like a bready way a multi-coating character usually don't say coating with

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usually say with alcohol or with like roast or something but i'm going with

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it because that's what my again what my tongue felt it has a really satisfying

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like finish and like aftertaste like the malt just keeps on filling there.

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It's a little, it's odd for me.

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Maybe it's just after the daiquiri that my brain is doing this,

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because it feels like uncooked flour.

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Okay, give it a few sips. Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, we had the liquor before beer, so we were in the clear, so I mean.

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I mean, I get a lot. There's definitely a lot of readiness here.

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And then, so I was by myself camping, right? And everything was fine until we got back to the house.

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And I was really worried about tying up the street, trying to back the trailer into the driveway.

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Because it's really hard to tell how far back the back of the trailer is in

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relationship to the driveway without a spotter.

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So I'm like, I think the backyard's big enough that I can pull in and turn around or something, right?

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So I pull in and realize as soon as I try to make a turn, it's not big enough. No, not even close.

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I was finally able to get the trailer kind of backed perpendicular to the driveway,

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but I couldn't get the truck around.

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I had to unhitch the truck. I had to pull the truck out and come back at the

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trailer from a different angle and hitch it back up to get it pulled into the parking spot.

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So, no, the backyard is not big enough. And again, oh, and then Shannon was

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getting alerts on the ring doorbell system.

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So she was watching me on the security camera. I do all these like a thousand

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backups and pull forwards.

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Did you like record it and make a gif out of it?

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It threatens my masculinity well i can tell the story i don't want the video to exist.

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I mean i say let your embarrassments happen because.

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Look i don't i don't want to be like trump and be like oh no i don't do anything

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wrong ever and everything I do is amazing and how dare you like even,

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even imply that something I did was not the exact right 100% solution that's

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not me I don't think that's you either yeah I know I don't know maybe I'm sensitive like,

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I'm new to this whole trailer backing up thing, but I'm proud with how far I got.

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That whole thing was like, it was just like, I still think it was a better result

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than, because I could have tied up the road for like 10 minutes.

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And you learned something for next time. What I ended up doing is I ordered

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a wireless backup camera that I can mount on the back of the trailer.

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Oh, perfect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now I'll have, so the truck has cameras and

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it has a trailer backup mode that actually works really well.

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It takes the two side mirror cameras and you can kind of see the sides of the

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trailer when it starts to turn.

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Like it works, it's very intuitive the way they set it up.

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This is not a Cybertruck, by the way. No, it's an F-150.

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But then I was doing some research and Ford sells a kit for an integrated backup camera for a trailer.

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So it would go right into the big screen on the dash and also tire pressure management system.

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You know how your car knows the

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tire pressures. You can get those for the trailer too. So I'm like, sweet.

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And it's like, Oh, it's like $750. I'm like, Oh, it's going to cost like 400 to do it aftermarket.

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That integration is worth something. So I started looking into it.

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I called the dealership. They don't know anything about it. It's not a popular request, right?

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So they call, apparently they

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said, They said it wasn't supported on my truck. I'm like, are you sure?

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I got the plug. I'm looking online. People are saying it works.

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So they were going to order it for me. And then I did some more sleuthing on the internet.

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And I went underneath and looked at the backside of the plug where the wires go into it.

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And instead of 12 wires going into it, there's only two wires going into it.

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So not wired for it.

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That was heartbreaking. rigging. If I would have got the top trim level of the

00:17:30.363 --> 00:17:32.803
2021 Ford F-150, it would have had it.

00:17:32.943 --> 00:17:36.803
If I would have got my trim level of the 2022, it would have had it.

00:17:39.137 --> 00:17:44.237
Damn, live and learn. Yeah. But you can just get a secondary, like.

00:17:44.357 --> 00:17:47.577
Oh, yeah. They actually came right before you got here. So I already hooked

00:17:47.577 --> 00:17:48.637
up the tire pressure things.

00:17:49.157 --> 00:17:53.137
And I'll hook up the camera before we go on our next trip. But camera will be

00:17:53.137 --> 00:17:55.817
nice. Takes away the blind spot of lane changing.

00:17:56.817 --> 00:18:02.057
So I'll be able to use it for that. But then even if I have a spotter,

00:18:02.097 --> 00:18:06.877
like getting into the house, like being to see, like, where the back bumper

00:18:06.877 --> 00:18:08.337
is in relationship to the driveway.

00:18:09.437 --> 00:18:12.837
It'll help so much there. Also, if you could also add sonar to it,

00:18:12.877 --> 00:18:14.337
just so you have that extra bit.

00:18:14.517 --> 00:18:20.557
Oh, where it beep, beep, beep. Yeah, yeah, and it gives you the green, yellow, and red.

00:18:20.657 --> 00:18:26.317
The backup camera puts those guidance bars on there, but they're not the smart ones like on your car.

00:18:26.377 --> 00:18:28.917
They don't turn when you turn the wheel, you know, stuff like that.

00:18:29.037 --> 00:18:34.357
But you can adjust where they're painted on the screen so they work for you.

00:18:34.457 --> 00:18:37.617
So you can widen them, you can narrow them, you can move them out like further,

00:18:37.797 --> 00:18:38.657
you can do stuff like that.

00:18:40.157 --> 00:18:42.957
This is growing on me, this beer, but it's still a little bit sharp.

00:18:43.477 --> 00:18:44.777
And I don't know what it is.

00:18:48.777 --> 00:18:51.597
I wonder if it's a yeast thing. I don't know.

00:18:52.117 --> 00:19:00.057
There's something that feels like there's a spike in here.

00:19:01.157 --> 00:19:04.297
It's not quite right. I get you. I mean, if I'm looking for it,

00:19:04.397 --> 00:19:08.577
there is a little bit of a tinny or irony thing.

00:19:09.137 --> 00:19:14.397
In the middle of your tongue and like the late taste i was ignoring it it's not,

00:19:15.637 --> 00:19:18.437
it's not objectionable to me but if i guess of now that i

00:19:18.437 --> 00:19:22.077
looked for it i can taste it now that you're in you're in analysis mode and

00:19:22.077 --> 00:19:28.557
it's like yeah it's not like it's not as smooth as you might expect it to be

00:19:28.557 --> 00:19:36.437
i think that there is they got to work on this recipe it's their first time production.

00:19:37.737 --> 00:19:42.197
They've been homebrewing for all the years. You got plenty of...

00:19:42.197 --> 00:19:45.017
Again, you make mistakes.

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You just do better next time.

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I just had my mid-year review. Oh. I mean, it was stellar, of course.

00:20:00.337 --> 00:20:02.057
Like, I've been there ten years

00:20:02.057 --> 00:20:06.137
and promoted five times. it's not because I'm not good at my job. Yeah.

00:20:06.617 --> 00:20:12.117
I just had my mid-year review and it was mediocre. My boss doesn't appreciate me.

00:20:12.337 --> 00:20:18.357
So it's like I feel that I'm being compared to his other direct reports who

00:20:18.357 --> 00:20:19.977
are all at a higher level than I am.

00:20:21.077 --> 00:20:30.557
So I feel I should be getting a higher impact because I'm doing that job at

00:20:30.557 --> 00:20:32.017
a lower level kind of thing.

00:20:32.077 --> 00:20:34.957
Right. And I don't feel that that's being appreciated.

00:20:35.157 --> 00:20:37.997
It's been two years in a row now. So I'm a...

00:20:39.390 --> 00:20:45.890
Part of me is like, okay, fine. I'll just not stress about it, and I won't work hard.

00:20:46.830 --> 00:20:52.590
Fine. I mean, the bonus and the stock grants are like, they're not.

00:20:53.450 --> 00:21:00.430
The money is good. I just feel unappreciated. You certainly make more money than I do.

00:21:01.970 --> 00:21:05.630
I'm 100% sure of it. Plus, you get stock options.

00:21:06.650 --> 00:21:10.550
Not options. Stock. Stock. You get just played out, played out, stopped.

00:21:10.670 --> 00:21:14.290
Yeah, they just throw it at you. So you're in a better position than I am,

00:21:14.290 --> 00:21:19.550
100%. It's just I am, I still like, I'm still growing.

00:21:21.730 --> 00:21:25.650
Still, you know, but I'm the lead. You're in a pretty senior level position

00:21:25.650 --> 00:21:29.590
for developers. Yes, but there's always stuff you got to learn.

00:21:30.870 --> 00:21:38.070
And I want to jump into more teams. I've been on this team, basically,

00:21:38.170 --> 00:21:40.230
for 10 years now. I want to get into other stuff.

00:21:40.590 --> 00:21:44.770
And the movement is finally happening on that. That's cool.

00:21:46.310 --> 00:21:50.450
It's really cool to hear that, and it's cool to hear that I'm appreciated and all that.

00:21:51.670 --> 00:21:57.310
Because I've been doing different things now. I've been coding for nearly 10

00:21:57.310 --> 00:22:00.550
years, and the last couple months is not me necessarily coding,

00:22:00.610 --> 00:22:02.130
but me telling the other people what to code.

00:22:02.130 --> 00:22:11.010
And so it's a different aspect of being able to explain what to do as opposed to doing it.

00:22:11.090 --> 00:22:18.250
Oh, so this is the first time where someone I manage got more bonus in stock than I got. Oh.

00:22:18.910 --> 00:22:24.370
Well, I mean, I would say look at that as a happy thing. I guess, well, not for me. No.

00:22:24.870 --> 00:22:30.490
But. But like, it means your management is working well on some level, or this guy is just.

00:22:32.314 --> 00:22:37.454
Somehow ignoring you and just excelling beyond your means, right?

00:22:38.634 --> 00:22:42.314
Yeah. I mean, it was only like incrementally more.

00:22:42.514 --> 00:22:45.474
Like it wasn't like a thing. But like in the past, it's always been.

00:22:45.554 --> 00:22:52.254
I thought in the past, I thought managers got like extra whatevers, you know.

00:22:54.294 --> 00:22:57.214
And like kind of seeing how the formula cooked up this year.

00:22:57.254 --> 00:22:59.094
It's like, no, no, no, just regular.

00:22:59.354 --> 00:23:05.974
Nothing extra for all the management bullshit. Well, you can just do better next time. That's all.

00:23:06.154 --> 00:23:10.214
Or I can just do what I do and just enjoy life.

00:23:10.694 --> 00:23:12.594
I mean, that's always an option.

00:23:14.214 --> 00:23:22.754
All righty. So I grabbed several things, but I think I grabbed too many Imperial Stouts.

00:23:23.914 --> 00:23:27.554
So we have three Imperial Stouts.

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One is a walnut cacao marshmallow

00:23:31.414 --> 00:23:34.274
let's do that one but then okay

00:23:34.274 --> 00:23:36.974
but the last lighter beer that i have here is a

00:23:36.974 --> 00:23:40.834
saison blended with spontaneously fermented ale i want to do the imperial stat

00:23:40.834 --> 00:23:46.374
and then do the saison okay all right i want to challenge my taste buds all

00:23:46.374 --> 00:23:52.814
right what is this is angry chairs rocky road you could share rocky road i'm

00:23:52.814 --> 00:23:54.294
not gonna play the angry chair song,

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This is a brewery in Tampa They make these wicked good,

00:24:01.874 --> 00:24:07.254
Wicked good Wicked good dessert stouts stuff They do other things too But I

00:24:07.254 --> 00:24:12.194
mean you go there They'll have like eight different imperial stouts With candy

00:24:12.194 --> 00:24:16.614
and shit added to it So this is an imperial stout At 11%.

00:24:21.154 --> 00:24:27.574
That smells good Okay, the first It does smell good The first I got that marshmallow

00:24:27.574 --> 00:24:33.094
tang too Which is great The first thing I On Google was a Beer Advocate link

00:24:33.094 --> 00:24:35.094
Of all things Remember Beer Advocate?

00:24:35.274 --> 00:24:41.374
Yeah, I remember Beer Advocate This is a 98 World class On Beer Advocate 11% alcohol by volume,

00:24:43.254 --> 00:24:48.834
Imperial set is With cacao nibs Vanilla beans And toasted walnuts It sits at

00:24:48.834 --> 00:24:52.854
a solid 11% That's what that is The marshmallow thing is walnut and vanilla.

00:24:56.567 --> 00:24:59.467
Well, the label says there is marshmallows in here, too. Well,

00:24:59.527 --> 00:25:00.467
then it's marshmallows.

00:25:02.927 --> 00:25:06.707
Then I suspect what I'm smelling is marshmallows. But isn't a marshmallow just

00:25:06.707 --> 00:25:10.927
like corn syrup and vanilla and some other things?

00:25:11.827 --> 00:25:16.787
I mean, if they're authentic, they have marshmallow in it. They're never authentic.

00:25:18.187 --> 00:25:27.007
Wow, that is tasty. This is a dark beer before I taste it. But this is, that's dark.

00:25:27.207 --> 00:25:31.407
Yeah, it's a lot of lactose and everything just dark like my soul.

00:25:37.247 --> 00:25:43.367
I mean, it tastes like a candy dessert stout.

00:25:43.467 --> 00:25:47.887
But it is hitting the notes and it's not cheap.

00:25:48.087 --> 00:25:56.727
It's not overdoing it. It's well balanced. It's, dare I say it,

00:25:56.767 --> 00:26:01.767
and I'm just inferring, but I think the walnuts help.

00:26:03.867 --> 00:26:06.847
That little nuttiness. The walnuts keep it from being too awesome.

00:26:07.307 --> 00:26:14.467
Well, no, they actually, like walnuts are underappreciated in my mind.

00:26:14.907 --> 00:26:18.907
They, even because I don't even use them that often, but I know that when they're

00:26:18.907 --> 00:26:25.147
used, They added deepness or richness and earthiness that counteracts sweetness

00:26:25.147 --> 00:26:29.427
in a really good way by sort of melding with it.

00:26:30.567 --> 00:26:34.447
And I think that it's using those very, very well.

00:26:35.807 --> 00:26:40.147
Yeah. I mean, I'll go with you. I'm not picking out the interaction of the walnuts.

00:26:40.287 --> 00:26:43.387
I mean, the marshmallow is a huge component here, right?

00:26:43.427 --> 00:26:49.887
Because the whole mouth body is just velvety. Like the whole thing is so smooth

00:26:49.887 --> 00:26:52.567
and there's that malo flavor that comes through.

00:26:54.829 --> 00:27:01.629
There's cocoa in there as well. It comes across like, you know,

00:27:01.649 --> 00:27:04.989
like a medium dark chocolate, like only like a 60% cacao kind of thing.

00:27:05.089 --> 00:27:06.849
So, like, there's still some sweetness there. Yeah.

00:27:08.009 --> 00:27:11.609
And it's not too, like, gritty or bitter or anything from the chocolate.

00:27:12.949 --> 00:27:17.909
I feel like I may be, like, fooling myself. And I just don't want to.

00:27:18.689 --> 00:27:23.869
I wanted to admit that before I, you know, espouse, as I espouse a mouthful.

00:27:23.869 --> 00:27:25.489
But I do feel like it's there.

00:27:27.549 --> 00:27:33.569
So if I'm imagining it or not, I don't know, but I mean, if you think of like,

00:27:35.129 --> 00:27:39.229
yeah, I guess if you think of like, can we see the bottle, the can rather chocolates

00:27:39.229 --> 00:27:42.909
with Walnut in it or like, you know, this is called Rocky road,

00:27:43.009 --> 00:27:44.789
right? So that's what it's inspired by.

00:27:44.969 --> 00:27:52.389
I, yeah, I can get, especially if I'm thinking like a, a Rocky road ice cream cone and drinking this,

00:27:52.829 --> 00:27:56.289
there's, there's some serious similarities in like

00:27:56.289 --> 00:27:59.389
um alignment with those

00:27:59.389 --> 00:28:02.089
two they have other nuts in here too that

00:28:02.089 --> 00:28:05.169
they mentioned on the label they don't say what nuts but

00:28:05.169 --> 00:28:09.049
they say no walnuts is the first ingredient oh no i think the contains lactose

00:28:09.049 --> 00:28:13.389
and nuts is a separate warning oh i see that's the warning part that's interesting

00:28:13.389 --> 00:28:18.189
because it's part of the description as opposed to a period yeah but i didn't

00:28:18.189 --> 00:28:24.629
see it because um i just had a daiquiri and what was the beer we had before? Yeah, Copperfest.

00:28:24.889 --> 00:28:29.209
5.4 and then this is 11. And you can feel it kicking in.

00:28:30.909 --> 00:28:35.389
I just posted the last show today and I listened to the post show.

00:28:36.149 --> 00:28:40.669
And you didn't sound too drunk. But I sounded pretty drunk.

00:28:42.249 --> 00:28:46.589
And I'll let Shannon characterize her own sounding.

00:28:48.349 --> 00:28:50.949
I guess there were some higher alcohol beers in that?

00:28:52.768 --> 00:28:58.148
There's a lot of sours, but we did have darkness and that chocolate cherry beer

00:28:58.148 --> 00:28:59.788
that wasn't very good, but it was a higher alcohol.

00:28:59.928 --> 00:29:02.388
But that was also a long posha, right? That was like two and a half hours.

00:29:02.388 --> 00:29:05.128
Oh, no, I'm just not at the beginning. Oh, okay. At the beginning.

00:29:09.448 --> 00:29:13.028
It seems like Shannon wasn't in the same conversation we were in and I was trying

00:29:13.028 --> 00:29:15.608
to correct, like mansplain correct her and I felt like an asshole,

00:29:15.788 --> 00:29:17.868
you know, like listening to it. You're drunk, who cares?

00:29:19.048 --> 00:29:23.428
Although it is all saved for the records. Yeah. It's all there.

00:29:25.108 --> 00:29:30.728
So anyway, I was like, oof. Yeah, that's sloppy. Anyway.

00:29:31.508 --> 00:29:37.568
I do wonder if in the future, like the far future, like 200 years from now,

00:29:37.628 --> 00:29:43.328
humanity manages to survive, and there's still a lot of technological culture,

00:29:44.868 --> 00:29:48.828
and they're analyzing things.

00:29:48.908 --> 00:29:52.088
They decide, hey, let's take a look at what these fellows are doing and for

00:29:52.088 --> 00:29:55.268
the sake of it. And they have, because it's all digital, it's all there.

00:29:55.508 --> 00:30:01.048
And what they do is they program AIs because AIs have moved slightly beyond the LLM module.

00:30:01.128 --> 00:30:04.808
Oh my God, could you imagine training LLMs on our show?

00:30:05.648 --> 00:30:10.048
So they've moved slightly beyond the LLM system. So they're like,

00:30:10.148 --> 00:30:15.308
maybe as opposed to the 95% of LLMs, they're more 96%.

00:30:16.268 --> 00:30:22.328
That's my joke. I don't think that, you know, good AIs are ever going to happen. but.

00:30:24.368 --> 00:30:30.808
What would it be like because there's a lot that we talk about and we just spew

00:30:30.808 --> 00:30:33.648
and I think that you could create decent,

00:30:35.408 --> 00:30:39.628
replicas I don't know about replicas but like you know personality.

00:30:41.688 --> 00:30:47.928
Caricatures of a kind oh my god we'll be able to do that here in a couple years

00:30:47.928 --> 00:30:51.288
it won't be too hard I mean, I'm not saying it'll turn it.

00:30:51.308 --> 00:30:54.008
I'm not saying a couple of years is enough to make it, you know,

00:30:54.008 --> 00:30:55.388
indistinguishable from us.

00:30:55.628 --> 00:31:03.348
But we'll have the technology to like, like, I mean, I was looking at the chapter

00:31:03.348 --> 00:31:08.348
titles and summaries of from Ophonic for this last show.

00:31:08.668 --> 00:31:15.408
Ophonic is the AI that we use to do the, if you, if you look at the transcripts, that's all Ophonic.

00:31:15.548 --> 00:31:21.568
Yeah. Yeah, and I didn't look at the transcript, but I did look at the chapters and the summaries.

00:31:21.808 --> 00:31:24.408
Those chapters are often like way off.

00:31:25.048 --> 00:31:28.648
I find that that chapter function is not great.

00:31:30.425 --> 00:31:34.105
Or at least it doesn't cut to what I think is the essence of the discussion.

00:31:34.225 --> 00:31:37.525
No, it doesn't. But it figures things out. It's getting better.

00:31:37.665 --> 00:31:42.005
But I do think it is better.

00:31:42.525 --> 00:31:45.325
Like, I was looking at it and I was expecting the same old garbage,

00:31:45.485 --> 00:31:46.885
and I got way better garbage.

00:31:47.065 --> 00:31:51.325
Oh, okay. So I'm not saying it's great. Yeah, yeah, better garbage is always good.

00:31:53.165 --> 00:31:59.365
I feel like the AI that we've gotten has definitely plateaued from my standpoint.

00:31:59.365 --> 00:32:03.005
I don't know about your experience, but there's clearly a plateau there.

00:32:03.545 --> 00:32:08.605
It's hit like a wall, and there's not much getting past that wall.

00:32:08.685 --> 00:32:14.125
Now, it's cool because it got past a wall that was much bigger than we thought was in its way.

00:32:14.385 --> 00:32:22.265
I mean, there's using like the curated AI that most people have access to.

00:32:22.745 --> 00:32:25.805
I was trying to generate the image for today's show,

00:32:26.605 --> 00:32:29.585
and you know it just won't let you get anywhere near the

00:32:29.585 --> 00:32:32.365
election you know and have image generation even if

00:32:32.365 --> 00:32:38.425
you're like like don't don't show me a likeness of a candidate you know like

00:32:38.425 --> 00:32:44.645
it just refuses to try but you see things like on you know instagram and stuff

00:32:44.645 --> 00:32:49.845
of people who have access to uh things that don't have the guardrails put up

00:32:49.845 --> 00:32:51.385
and like you know generating,

00:32:52.745 --> 00:32:58.665
songs or where they actually use the bits to do the melody and the lyrics and all that.

00:33:00.405 --> 00:33:07.485
You can still tell that it's a large language model and all the things you've always talked about.

00:33:08.125 --> 00:33:10.165
It can't tell you how many hours are in Strawberry.

00:33:11.825 --> 00:33:15.905
But the stuff it is coming up with is like well, you know like.

00:33:20.265 --> 00:33:28.405
Such as Such as, I don't know, I was watching a guy write a country hit song

00:33:28.405 --> 00:33:33.065
about a caveman liking beer or something like that.

00:33:33.185 --> 00:33:35.505
Or sung by a caveman about beer.

00:33:35.925 --> 00:33:45.725
And I'm assuming, and I could be wrong here, but it's portrayed as that was the prompt.

00:33:45.725 --> 00:33:49.865
And it did this witty, like, thing that turned out to be pretty funny,

00:33:49.985 --> 00:33:51.465
almost in an earnest way.

00:33:51.885 --> 00:33:55.505
But, you know, maybe there was more prompts behind the scenes that really curated

00:33:55.505 --> 00:33:59.565
that whole song, you know, that kind of thing. So maybe I'm being naive there.

00:33:59.905 --> 00:34:09.565
Well, that reminds me of when I was telling some people at an event that AI can't do jokes.

00:34:10.105 --> 00:34:16.025
Well, I said AI can't be funny. AI is not humorous. and it can do like one-off jokes because it.

00:34:17.678 --> 00:34:24.338
In things that things that it has seen before but it can't it doesn't understand

00:34:24.338 --> 00:34:30.278
humor and do humor it has no concept of what humor is and then they went and

00:34:30.278 --> 00:34:31.858
said okay well let's ask you to joke and

00:34:32.058 --> 00:34:36.218
they made like a knock knock joke and it was like okay that that's a clever

00:34:36.218 --> 00:34:44.098
knock knock joke but it's not like a joke is not a scene a joke is not like

00:34:44.098 --> 00:34:47.678
yeah i mean i have got i mean they're probably the best funny that I got out of it,

00:34:48.318 --> 00:34:50.878
but it wasn't it being funny.

00:34:51.058 --> 00:34:57.038
It was me setting up the scenario and it just executing on the scenario, which is funny.

00:34:57.178 --> 00:35:02.018
And that was back when Microsoft announced layoffs, I had to generate an email

00:35:02.018 --> 00:35:07.798
to my team about, um, you know, keeping morale up amidst layoffs.

00:35:07.898 --> 00:35:13.818
And then I had to revise it as a, uh, Gen X are talking to his reports who are

00:35:13.818 --> 00:35:14.998
all millennials and zoomers.

00:35:14.998 --> 00:35:18.218
And then I told it to like double the slang and

00:35:18.218 --> 00:35:20.978
like I kept amplifying it yeah yeah and it

00:35:20.978 --> 00:35:27.518
got it was funny like you know in the premise of look at this like email using

00:35:27.518 --> 00:35:32.678
the the millennial slang and the zoomer slang you know but yeah it can get to

00:35:32.678 --> 00:35:38.418
like bad onion right like not nearly as clever as the onion,

00:35:38.578 --> 00:35:44.978
but like a facsimile of what the onion might, might do as their draft.

00:35:46.758 --> 00:35:51.178
It can do that, which is why I think that like writers are scared of it.

00:35:51.218 --> 00:35:57.018
Not because it does the job that writers do, but because it does the first part

00:35:57.018 --> 00:36:01.198
and writers are paid to do that first part as well as they are the other parts.

00:36:03.818 --> 00:36:09.558
No, for sure. Sure. Like distilling it into the best punchline.

00:36:09.758 --> 00:36:15.438
Like you can't tell like AI, like I need a better punchline. Yeah. Tag this joke.

00:36:15.598 --> 00:36:19.838
Like it's not, it's not going to be able to do that. It's not going to write

00:36:19.838 --> 00:36:22.178
a scene for you of any quality.

00:36:23.178 --> 00:36:28.298
It's going to write garbage, but that's okay because that's what first drafts are.

00:36:28.338 --> 00:36:33.778
First drafts are garbage. It's okay, except for like in the industries where

00:36:33.778 --> 00:36:38.578
AI can publish a bazillion schlocky Amazon ebooks.

00:36:38.818 --> 00:36:42.278
Yeah, I mean that's okay in the sense that that's okay from the perspective

00:36:42.278 --> 00:36:46.458
of as long as that's what you expect it to do.

00:36:47.058 --> 00:36:50.678
As long as you're like, you know, I just want a starting point.

00:36:50.798 --> 00:36:58.578
But yet from the perspective of workers and people's livelihoods. I think I saw an article.

00:37:00.493 --> 00:37:06.553
Yeah, Spotify is having a problem where there's AI-generated cover songs.

00:37:08.333 --> 00:37:14.053
Huh. And they're paying the royalties to the original artists and stuff,

00:37:14.233 --> 00:37:17.733
but they're just, it's SEO, right?

00:37:17.833 --> 00:37:24.713
You search for Freebird or Freebird cover, and you get six or seven Freebird

00:37:24.713 --> 00:37:29.793
covers that are just AI Freebird covers.

00:37:29.793 --> 00:37:35.193
That makes me wonder how good it is because I remember this was at least four

00:37:35.193 --> 00:37:36.973
or five years ago from what I can remember.

00:37:37.233 --> 00:37:44.333
But I was looking at some thread of some guy who would create,

00:37:44.553 --> 00:37:49.453
who would take music and then he would, you know, this was before ChatGPT got good and all that stuff.

00:37:49.693 --> 00:37:58.053
He would make AI after a certain period of time continue and see what it did.

00:37:58.053 --> 00:38:01.353
He smells like Teen Spirit or Queen or something like that.

00:38:01.433 --> 00:38:04.453
And it was really interesting to see what the AI came up with.

00:38:04.673 --> 00:38:06.133
That was probably before. I

00:38:06.133 --> 00:38:11.733
bet they're better now at making consistent things that sound like music.

00:38:12.353 --> 00:38:18.413
Because this stuff, it got really interesting for like 15 seconds,

00:38:18.513 --> 00:38:23.273
and then it turned into mush after like 30. I didn't click on it.

00:38:23.313 --> 00:38:25.893
There's just a Reddit headline there, a question kind of thing.

00:38:25.893 --> 00:38:29.833
Artist robbing scam on spotify hey it covers i mean.

00:38:32.413 --> 00:38:35.693
Yeah it would be interesting to listen to those especially

00:38:35.693 --> 00:38:38.553
if you're doing it unscrupulously you load the cover you load

00:38:38.553 --> 00:38:41.333
the song you train it on the song and you're

00:38:41.333 --> 00:38:46.533
like do it with more marimba you know and and it

00:38:46.533 --> 00:38:50.433
can do that too and does it skirt around the the search

00:38:50.433 --> 00:38:53.233
algorithm by by doing that well i mean the one that i

00:38:53.233 --> 00:38:57.013
the one that i clicked on it seemed like these places don't

00:38:57.013 --> 00:39:00.853
get removed because they're actually paying royalties so they're

00:39:00.853 --> 00:39:04.553
paying leonard skinner well what's wrong with that i don't see what's wrong

00:39:04.553 --> 00:39:07.393
with that then if they're paying leonard skinner for the rights well what's

00:39:07.393 --> 00:39:11.213
wrong is doing it what's wrong with it is they're able to put up 50 covers of

00:39:11.213 --> 00:39:16.193
freebird and if you're a small indie artist you know the artists get fucked

00:39:16.193 --> 00:39:19.933
right the the The indie artists who want to cover Freebird, I guess. Oh, I guess.

00:39:20.573 --> 00:39:24.793
So, yes, the indie artists who want to cover the most popular songs.

00:39:25.213 --> 00:39:28.373
Well, I'm just... Right. Yeah, because that's what the people who are going

00:39:28.373 --> 00:39:31.213
to do the machinery are going to do.

00:39:31.253 --> 00:39:34.393
They're going to do the popular songs as opposed to the weird ones that no one

00:39:34.393 --> 00:39:40.533
wants to cover because the weird ones don't get anything. And here's the thing.

00:39:41.113 --> 00:39:44.433
AI is expensive. It's a lot more expensive than people are.

00:39:44.633 --> 00:39:48.933
A lot more, ultimately. Right now it's cheap because people are offering it

00:39:48.933 --> 00:39:53.053
for free or mostly for free, but that's not going to last.

00:39:53.333 --> 00:39:57.933
And AI is really expensive and really energy intensive. Yeah.

00:40:00.538 --> 00:40:06.938
So, like, ultimately, it's going to be a problem that maybe solves itself. Mm-hmm.

00:40:09.038 --> 00:40:14.478
Yeah. Maybe, but I could also see where, like, we're going to have this,

00:40:14.498 --> 00:40:23.798
like, dark age of being awash of these AI, like, just AI bullshit for entertainment, you know?

00:40:25.078 --> 00:40:31.318
Anytime change happens, there's always some adaptation, and then there's,

00:40:32.898 --> 00:40:41.238
backlash and then there's like over-backlash and over-correction and everything

00:40:41.238 --> 00:40:46.378
eventually settles down this is just I like to think of it because I'm a physics guy.

00:40:48.778 --> 00:40:53.698
I like to think of it as dampened oscillations because

00:40:53.698 --> 00:40:56.698
there's a mean and you get this whack of energy

00:40:56.698 --> 00:40:59.498
right and it's gonna go back and forth back and

00:40:59.498 --> 00:41:03.278
forth but it's gonna slowly it's not

00:41:03.278 --> 00:41:06.098
gonna just average out to the mean it's gonna slowly arrest at the mean

00:41:06.098 --> 00:41:12.498
because there's not enough energy being put into it to keep it flapping so think

00:41:12.498 --> 00:41:20.938
of a spring or some flappy material that goes and there's a center and it's

00:41:20.938 --> 00:41:25.878
gonna go just damping it around and it'll finally hit that edge Alright,

00:41:25.998 --> 00:41:28.738
our next beer is Belfius,

00:41:30.158 --> 00:41:38.718
It's a Malagash Brewing Company B-E-L-F-I-U-S B-E-L-F-I-U-S Yes Saison blended

00:41:38.718 --> 00:41:44.518
with spontaneously fermented ale Open cautiously Contents under pressure Did you open it cautiously?

00:41:44.658 --> 00:41:47.338
I did Under pressure So,

00:41:49.998 --> 00:41:51.998
Bottled in 2017 2017.

00:41:55.638 --> 00:42:01.298
2017. Okay, cool. This is out of stock on Beer Universe.

00:42:02.138 --> 00:42:07.938
This was one of the ones that we went on the Sellers Tour at Allagash.

00:42:08.078 --> 00:42:12.738
And after the Sellers Tour, we were able to shop from a different gift shop,

00:42:12.818 --> 00:42:16.858
which had some of the rarer, you know, these kinds of beers in them. So that's cool.

00:42:18.038 --> 00:42:21.158
So this is a blend, they say, of Saison Spontaneous.

00:42:22.738 --> 00:42:29.658
It is uses cool ship did you mention that already I'm sorry I didn't mention

00:42:29.658 --> 00:42:32.158
it uses cool ship as their spontaneous,

00:42:33.778 --> 00:42:39.118
and then it ages in oak barrel for three years after inoculation with wild yeast

00:42:39.118 --> 00:42:42.578
and other microbiota and the second blend is their Saison.

00:42:45.073 --> 00:42:49.493
And 6.7, like I said. Smells good. Very oaky.

00:42:51.293 --> 00:42:56.873
Yeah, oaky. There's almost like a... Lots more information, too, if you want to...

00:42:57.313 --> 00:43:00.153
There's almost, like, when I was smelling it, like, one of the things,

00:43:00.213 --> 00:43:04.273
it almost seemed like it was strawberry or rhubarb or something in the nose.

00:43:05.253 --> 00:43:08.033
There's not, but that's one of the things I was picking up on.

00:43:08.313 --> 00:43:11.113
Okay, I'm going to ask you about this, because I think that this is interesting

00:43:11.113 --> 00:43:13.173
in the sense that I'm looking at this and I'm saying,

00:43:13.173 --> 00:43:19.413
you know i wouldn't have guessed those hops but it totally makes sense okay

00:43:19.413 --> 00:43:25.993
and it's more than this is just the hops that would be used in this application

00:43:25.993 --> 00:43:28.193
so there's nothing crazy here,

00:43:29.173 --> 00:43:33.333
you want me to make guesses yeah i'm curious because i would i would never have

00:43:33.333 --> 00:43:37.913
guessed two of these hops and it but then if you would have told me what they

00:43:37.913 --> 00:43:40.173
were i'd be like oh yeah Yeah, that makes sense, that makes total sense.

00:43:41.033 --> 00:43:46.693
I mean, so like, spontaneously fermented beers usually use like old hops.

00:43:47.893 --> 00:43:52.153
They do say aged whole leaf hops, so this is, yeah. And, you know,

00:43:52.153 --> 00:43:54.033
the after. There are three hops that they mentioned.

00:43:55.693 --> 00:43:59.633
I'm gonna guess that they're, you know, continental Europe hops,

00:43:59.713 --> 00:44:04.213
you know, because they're gonna be traditional for that. So, let's go with...

00:44:07.227 --> 00:44:16.567
Um strissel spalt okay is it on there no it's not oh okay um let's go think

00:44:16.567 --> 00:44:27.087
more think less continental more older american huh okay well then i'm gonna have to go with um,

00:44:27.907 --> 00:44:36.347
not newer yeah no older american so like um i'm drawing a blank right now It's

00:44:36.347 --> 00:44:39.587
tough, because like I said, there are two of these that I would never have mentioned.

00:44:39.667 --> 00:44:42.107
Not because I don't know them, but because they would never be something that

00:44:42.107 --> 00:44:44.727
I would consider mentioning.

00:44:47.967 --> 00:44:51.747
There's one that I want to use that I can't think of the name of. And like...

00:44:53.487 --> 00:44:55.167
All right, I'll... Yeah, just...

00:44:56.147 --> 00:45:01.847
So the one that is the one that comes to mind the easiest is Cascade.

00:45:02.967 --> 00:45:07.107
But there's northern brewer and bravo okay

00:45:07.107 --> 00:45:10.707
so like those are two that i would never even think

00:45:10.707 --> 00:45:13.447
about mentioning if i was ever even asked about

00:45:13.447 --> 00:45:20.987
hops or anything but also from what i know of them that makes sense yeah northern

00:45:20.987 --> 00:45:26.007
brewer is a good one i mean i thought cascade was a little too easy guess but

00:45:26.007 --> 00:45:30.707
once hops age they all kind of come to the same point you know More or less.

00:45:31.367 --> 00:45:39.527
A little cheesier. The differentiations of a lot of hops will contract when you're aging.

00:45:39.827 --> 00:45:44.067
You're keeping them at room temperature for a couple years to make your lambic

00:45:44.067 --> 00:45:46.567
hops. There's definitely a funk on this guy.

00:45:49.727 --> 00:45:53.107
Not like too much of a funk, but there's a funk, which is nice.

00:45:53.587 --> 00:45:56.987
It's definitely a very golden color. It's a little bit of a rindy smell,

00:45:57.147 --> 00:45:59.507
like a little bit of a wash rind or something like that.

00:45:59.827 --> 00:46:02.687
Yeah, yeah, it's got that cheesiness, yeah.

00:46:03.407 --> 00:46:09.467
The grains here, so there's a relatively expressive grain bill.

00:46:10.347 --> 00:46:16.227
It's got pilsner malt, raw wheat, allagash two-row malted barley blend.

00:46:16.607 --> 00:46:19.807
Who knows what's in that, right? Malted rye and oats.

00:46:29.379 --> 00:46:32.159
So the spontaneous yeast that,

00:46:34.379 --> 00:46:38.039
Allagash Where is it?

00:46:39.959 --> 00:46:43.059
It's a pepperiness to that yeast, whatever it is.

00:46:44.379 --> 00:46:49.499
They kind of came up with their I'm trying to remember the story right now.

00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:51.879
They call their yeast wild comma saison.

00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:59.099
So I don't know what that means. I mean clearly wild means you know they took some air and,

00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.499
let it go that's what the cool ship is,

00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.459
actually we can post a picture actually if

00:47:07.459 --> 00:47:13.099
you go on our discord Marinus on discord was just up there he's a brewer for

00:47:13.099 --> 00:47:18.619
a brewery in eastern Pennsylvania but he was just up in New England for vacation

00:47:18.619 --> 00:47:25.159
and he toured Allagash and he was in the cool ship room, and he posted a picture of it.

00:47:25.219 --> 00:47:29.319
So you can go on our Discord, craftbeerradio.com slash discord to get the invite

00:47:29.319 --> 00:47:32.319
link, and check that out.

00:47:33.979 --> 00:47:35.939
It was probably about a month ago.

00:47:38.739 --> 00:47:42.919
Craftbeerradio.com slash discord. I like this beer.

00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:47.879
It does have a little bit of that rindy cheese flavor, but it has a nice tartness to it.

00:47:49.259 --> 00:47:52.579
It has that that rhubarb flavor to me.

00:47:52.919 --> 00:47:58.059
Like, if I was blind tasting, I would say that they added some,

00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:05.099
you know, like some rhubarb or, you know, some other garden vegetable like that, you know, to it.

00:48:05.839 --> 00:48:08.719
So what I would say is, shit.

00:48:09.919 --> 00:48:11.019
It's pretty good.

00:48:16.299 --> 00:48:20.379
Not that it's shit. Like, shit, it's good.

00:48:20.899 --> 00:48:25.759
It's good yeah no i'm that's it's

00:48:25.759 --> 00:48:32.919
damn good um we could taste a nice break from from the you know big sweet powerful

00:48:32.919 --> 00:48:37.799
stuff so we don't have to drink the remaining four beers like you know we have

00:48:37.799 --> 00:48:43.639
the cocktail so we have this one is an imperial stout that's a collaboration of,

00:48:44.179 --> 00:48:47.599
Shoebrew and Cellarworks. Okay.

00:48:48.459 --> 00:48:54.219
This is another beer from Florida. This is the Dark World from Magnanimous. Okay.

00:48:54.699 --> 00:48:59.279
And then we can do a contrasting thing. We can do two of these then gratitudes.

00:48:59.359 --> 00:49:01.779
We can do Bourbon Barrel and Rye Barrel.

00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:06.699
You know, I think that since Shannon's in here, let's do the gratitudes and

00:49:06.699 --> 00:49:10.039
we can save the Imperial style because I know that Shannon will like those.

00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:16.059
And uh i i know we like so like if we do this i kind of want so i also have

00:49:16.059 --> 00:49:20.199
a rum barrel and a scotch barrel downstairs no we can't do this all in the same

00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:24.299
we definitely can't but i kind of want to do them again soon yeah you know that kind of thing so.

00:49:28.797 --> 00:49:33.357
So I bet Shannon would have loved the Voot. The Anchor Chair?

00:49:33.897 --> 00:49:36.877
Yes. Yeah. She's there. She can go get it tonight.

00:49:37.817 --> 00:49:40.837
Tell her to get it because, you know, she'll love it.

00:49:42.757 --> 00:49:45.377
Yeah, tell her. I'm looking at some of the post-show descriptions,

00:49:45.517 --> 00:49:48.337
looking at the calendar of the future.

00:49:49.417 --> 00:49:53.057
I should stop looking at that so that I can be prepared for that later.

00:49:53.057 --> 00:49:54.637
Yeah, that's just something I saw on Reddit.

00:49:54.817 --> 00:49:59.517
It's futurism stuff, right? Yes, yeah, yeah. Something in the early 2000s.

00:49:59.517 --> 00:50:01.657
Yeah, the early 2000s they made a calendar.

00:50:01.777 --> 00:50:07.097
And I just see some pictures. I haven't looked at anything other than what the dates are.

00:50:07.337 --> 00:50:13.957
So it'd be cool to go over that and what has actually happened. I look forward to that.

00:50:14.337 --> 00:50:16.717
On the post show, everybody. The post show.

00:50:21.157 --> 00:50:24.837
Mmm. But this is good. It's super good.

00:50:25.017 --> 00:50:36.477
Yeah. Yeah, and this is, so if I think of the question of what order should we do the beers in,

00:50:36.657 --> 00:50:39.797
this obviously wouldn't generally come after an Imperial style,

00:50:39.877 --> 00:50:42.097
but I think it works really well after an Imperial style.

00:50:42.377 --> 00:50:45.417
Definitely a palate cleanser. Yeah. A palate scrubber. Mm-hmm.

00:50:46.257 --> 00:50:49.437
Can sell that marshmallow and walnut away. So I think it's something to consider

00:50:49.437 --> 00:50:54.857
in the future for when we do beers is to do more mixing up than you might expect.

00:50:55.717 --> 00:51:01.517
It really depends on how tart, how big the salad beers are. Yeah, that's right.

00:51:01.577 --> 00:51:06.157
Because if this was a really subtle beer, then there might have been stuff lost. And we never know.

00:51:06.337 --> 00:51:10.797
It's really hard to know what the volume knob is sending on those beers.

00:51:13.457 --> 00:51:21.977
So therein lies our problem. Clearly this works, but... It won't always work. It won't always work.

00:51:23.637 --> 00:51:28.897
And it would be, like, imagine, like, a beer you would enjoy as much as the

00:51:28.897 --> 00:51:30.677
Charlie that we had last time.

00:51:31.257 --> 00:51:34.957
But we couldn't taste it because we did it in the wrong order. Yes, that would suck.

00:51:35.017 --> 00:51:38.757
So I think you have to go with the law of averages and just do the prescribed

00:51:38.757 --> 00:51:42.937
order just to maximize your chances of enjoying the beer.

00:51:42.977 --> 00:51:45.897
Or you just play around a bit and you take what you get.

00:51:47.097 --> 00:51:52.177
Yeah, I just, I have a FOMO of drinking the beer in the wrong order and not

00:51:52.177 --> 00:51:54.737
tasting how awesome that table beer was.

00:51:55.957 --> 00:51:59.597
But we didn't. Yeah. If you're missing out on something you did miss out on,

00:51:59.657 --> 00:52:03.577
so that's weird that you have that FOMO. You have a, what was the thing that only I did?

00:52:07.624 --> 00:52:14.164
Y-B-L-A. Okay. You better look out.

00:52:17.744 --> 00:52:25.944
Instead of, you know, instead of YOLO, they had YOLO, but it was you ought to

00:52:25.944 --> 00:52:28.744
look out instead of. Okay. You only live once.

00:52:29.284 --> 00:52:34.804
You know, they were like, oh, no, careful. Don't do that. Look out for yourselves.

00:52:36.324 --> 00:52:39.584
There's the meme thing, if you're going to be dumb, you've got to be tough.

00:52:41.044 --> 00:52:45.544
If you're going to be dumb, you've got to be tough. Yeah. And it's always,

00:52:45.604 --> 00:52:48.424
like, someone hurting themselves, you know, hold my beer kind of thing.

00:52:49.244 --> 00:52:56.424
And, yeah, I think that's true, like, because I think it's absolutely true.

00:53:00.164 --> 00:53:03.004
I feel like I don't need to explain it, actually. Actually, after I said because,

00:53:03.144 --> 00:53:06.244
I was like, I don't really need to explain that. That sort of makes sense. Yeah.

00:53:06.884 --> 00:53:09.964
Have you seen, we didn't talk about this last time, I don't think.

00:53:09.964 --> 00:53:12.604
I think it came out after. Have you seen Deadpool and Wolverine? Yes, I have.

00:53:13.164 --> 00:53:15.344
I did too. I took Max to see it. It was a nice time.

00:53:16.984 --> 00:53:21.104
It was the kind of movie that I think I enjoyed.

00:53:22.184 --> 00:53:29.584
And I think anyone who has been in, on some level, interested in superhero movies

00:53:29.584 --> 00:53:31.804
over the past 20 years will enjoy it.

00:53:31.804 --> 00:53:33.104
And anybody who hasn't will be

00:53:33.104 --> 00:53:37.744
fucking lost and think it's ridiculous and stupid. Well, there's so much.

00:53:38.744 --> 00:53:43.784
There's so much I don't know about the Marvel Universe. So when I saw the Deadpool

00:53:43.784 --> 00:53:48.544
core, I thought they were making fun of Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse.

00:53:48.804 --> 00:53:52.864
I didn't realize it was a thing. I thought they were making fun of it. There's just...

00:53:53.544 --> 00:53:56.904
I find that... Well, it is a thing, but I think the Spider-Man thing was a thing

00:53:56.904 --> 00:54:02.044
first. And in the same way, Deadpool was sort of a parody of that.

00:54:02.304 --> 00:54:07.464
So I do think that it's... So thinking that that's the joke is just a second

00:54:07.464 --> 00:54:11.304
level extrapolation of the joke. Yeah, I mean, that is kind of the joke.

00:54:11.324 --> 00:54:14.104
Is that, oh, you know, look at how many universes there are.

00:54:14.124 --> 00:54:17.704
There are so many Deadpools. And Deadpool's just like, can we just stop?

00:54:18.184 --> 00:54:21.204
This is ridiculous already. This is just...

00:54:22.478 --> 00:54:27.638
Over and and that's what deadpool was great at was being like okay we've done

00:54:27.638 --> 00:54:34.778
all this before and let's revel in it and then like promise to do better.

00:54:36.398 --> 00:54:43.758
That was my like takeaway was them just sort of okay let's just like let's say

00:54:43.758 --> 00:54:50.018
everything one of my favorite lines is when he brings uh he tells wolverine

00:54:50.018 --> 00:54:53.198
welcome to the mcu you're joining in at a very low point.

00:54:55.618 --> 00:55:02.578
It did seem like they went out of their way to be the crudest thing ever to

00:55:02.578 --> 00:55:03.578
come out of a Disney property.

00:55:03.858 --> 00:55:07.898
I mean, it seemed like that was intentional. Oh, that was certainly intentional. Yeah.

00:55:08.478 --> 00:55:13.198
And it was, but, but not in like, we're showing boobies and stuff.

00:55:13.238 --> 00:55:18.058
It was just language and innuendo. The imagery of, you know,

00:55:18.058 --> 00:55:22.018
choking on balls. And yes, well, and the, well, but that was all language.

00:55:22.078 --> 00:55:25.638
They didn't actually show people and then they did lots of blood but that's

00:55:25.638 --> 00:55:28.678
not here or there as far as I'm concerned.

00:55:28.938 --> 00:55:33.878
It was the description of sexual acts that was just like all the stuff that

00:55:33.878 --> 00:55:35.098
an 8 year old would be like what?

00:55:37.038 --> 00:55:42.358
You know you don't have an 8 year old but you do have a 14 year old?

00:55:43.618 --> 00:55:49.758
I don't know if he did he get the I'm gonna He's old enough that he would be embarrassed to ask you.

00:55:50.598 --> 00:55:57.978
Like, what was the line that Professor X's sister said about flicking her bean while she... Yes!

00:56:02.478 --> 00:56:06.618
Yeah. Yeah, there was that one, there was the choking on the balls one,

00:56:06.758 --> 00:56:08.758
and there was one other one. There was a pegging line.

00:56:09.018 --> 00:56:13.098
Yeah, I'm not new to pegging, but Disney is.

00:56:18.364 --> 00:56:25.604
It was fun, but it's also like, if you aren't somebody who watches superhero

00:56:25.604 --> 00:56:28.864
movies and knows what the characters are, then this is going to be just nonsense.

00:56:28.864 --> 00:56:33.964
I didn't think they gave Hugh Jackman enough time to play the straight man. I disagree.

00:56:34.364 --> 00:56:38.364
I thought they could have given him... What I really liked about it is as a

00:56:38.364 --> 00:56:39.764
story, it gave everyone an arc.

00:56:39.784 --> 00:56:42.784
It gave everyone something to do. there wasn't just oh you're

00:56:42.784 --> 00:56:45.564
in a cameo for one scene except for a

00:56:45.564 --> 00:56:48.904
few things like the thing with um the uh

00:56:48.904 --> 00:56:54.184
with chris evans was i'm sorry if i'm spoiling anything but chris evans is in

00:56:54.184 --> 00:56:59.224
it and the thing they do with him is is very clever and they they use a cameo

00:56:59.224 --> 00:57:05.084
i think in a very you know funny way but then then the after the credit scene

00:57:05.084 --> 00:57:07.744
like ties it all together yeah the The after character scene is a nice,

00:57:07.784 --> 00:57:10.024
is a, is a nice callback.

00:57:12.644 --> 00:57:17.204
The, the midpoint, I don't think I'm spoiling anything, but saying the midpoint

00:57:17.204 --> 00:57:25.264
of the story, there are a bunch of characters from older properties that show up.

00:57:27.904 --> 00:57:32.784
And what's nice about them is that those aren't Chris Evans cameos.

00:57:32.804 --> 00:57:36.424
Those all have characters that go through arcs. and

00:57:36.424 --> 00:57:40.944
it's good to see that they're doing that at least they're like they're at least

00:57:40.944 --> 00:57:46.264
doing the basics of telling stories right as opposed to just we'll sell a ticket

00:57:46.264 --> 00:57:50.744
because wesley's on screen yes what the flash did i don't know if you saw the

00:57:50.744 --> 00:57:54.764
flash and good on you if you didn't but they did this thing at the end where

00:57:54.764 --> 00:57:55.864
they showed a whole bunch of like.

00:57:59.104 --> 00:58:03.364
Dc possible movie one day they showed a a superman where it was nick cage a

00:58:03.364 --> 00:58:05.924
superman because it was like rumored he was fighting a spider because that's

00:58:05.924 --> 00:58:07.104
the story that everyone tells.

00:58:07.264 --> 00:58:11.344
And it's like only a small percentage of people are going to get that.

00:58:11.704 --> 00:58:17.624
And the way they did it was also cheap and just not as fulfilling as what they

00:58:17.624 --> 00:58:20.664
did with Chris Evans, which was quick,

00:58:20.864 --> 00:58:29.604
but still there was a cleverness to it that wasn't there with that kind of stuff that they did.

00:58:29.724 --> 00:58:33.104
They did a Christopher Reeve and whoever played Supergirl,

00:58:33.604 --> 00:58:36.284
just a very quick shot of them

00:58:36.284 --> 00:58:40.044
all these things to show hey remember yeah

00:58:40.044 --> 00:58:43.244
and not anything besides remember that

00:58:43.244 --> 00:58:46.264
was kind of your complaint about ready player one right yes like i've never

00:58:46.264 --> 00:58:50.304
i haven't seen it yet mostly because of your negative poo-poo on it i've passed

00:58:50.304 --> 00:58:53.664
by you're not going to be enlightened or like you're not going to be entertained

00:58:53.664 --> 00:58:58.124
by you're just going to be mad at it yeah so i've skipped it a couple times

00:58:58.124 --> 00:59:01.844
i did just watch the uh the furiosa how How was that?

00:59:03.024 --> 00:59:05.824
It's not Fury Road. The budget seems cut.

00:59:08.204 --> 00:59:12.624
It's still George Romero, right? Yeah. It's good.

00:59:15.583 --> 00:59:20.103
I've never been a Mad Max guy. The only one I've seen was Fury Road,

00:59:20.223 --> 00:59:21.163
and I thought Fury Road was great.

00:59:21.343 --> 00:59:23.723
Fury Road was great. This one's not great.

00:59:26.223 --> 00:59:32.823
It seemed a little too, we have to hit the beats of, you know,

00:59:34.463 --> 00:59:38.183
we have to fan serve the Fury Road fans, which is annoying, right?

00:59:38.223 --> 00:59:42.163
Because it's practically a one-film

00:59:42.163 --> 00:59:47.683
property. How many people remember the plot of Beyond Thunderdome?

00:59:48.123 --> 00:59:53.463
I never saw it. I know Tina Turner's in it.

00:59:54.103 --> 00:59:59.963
And I remember there's a very funny Mystery Science Theater joke about Thunderdome.

01:00:01.483 --> 01:00:07.723
Which is that if you're ever in a conversation and someone somehow mentions

01:00:07.723 --> 01:00:11.983
the movie Beyond Thunderdome, Thunderdome, then you say, guys,

01:00:12.083 --> 01:00:14.363
guys, can't we just get beyond Thunderdome?

01:00:16.083 --> 01:00:22.223
Nice. Yeah, the movie basically sets up Furiosa.

01:00:22.263 --> 01:00:27.423
Like every part of it, you know, it doesn't leave anything to be assumed.

01:00:27.723 --> 01:00:29.003
It just spells it all out.

01:00:31.303 --> 01:00:35.963
It's warring tribes. There's another tribe that wasn't in Fury Road.

01:00:39.983 --> 01:00:44.343
The practical effects they just didn't spend as much time with the the battle

01:00:44.343 --> 01:00:50.023
wagon war wagons and the guys on sticks and then they called back like there

01:00:50.023 --> 01:00:54.223
was a flashback to like the guy with the guitar in front of the speakers like

01:00:54.223 --> 01:00:56.523
just a flash like a quick flash to it you know it's like,

01:00:57.123 --> 01:01:00.443
you know oh well i mean like yeah i think part of the fun of hero was like oh

01:01:00.443 --> 01:01:03.683
they did that all practically and i can tell like there's not you know whatever

01:01:03.683 --> 01:01:09.203
effects in here are just removing moving stuff from the background and putting

01:01:09.203 --> 01:01:16.263
in stock things just on the edge as opposed to what's actually in front of your eyes. So... Yeah.

01:01:19.049 --> 01:01:26.829
Which is the way that I think CGI is well used, because how often are you going to get the perfect shot,

01:01:27.009 --> 01:01:30.049
whereas you can get part of the perfect shot and you just fill in the rest,

01:01:30.149 --> 01:01:36.369
which is not useful information with enough that it just passes on.

01:01:36.369 --> 01:01:40.069
As long as enough of your central vision is practical, you could have some fake

01:01:40.069 --> 01:01:41.409
cars on the periphery. Yeah, yeah.

01:01:41.729 --> 01:01:45.009
All right, so this is the bourbon barrel-aged Gratitude from East End Brewing

01:01:45.009 --> 01:01:46.489
Company, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

01:01:49.669 --> 01:01:56.869
Beer pours very clear. I forget when we had the brewer on as a guest and he

01:01:56.869 --> 01:02:00.049
didn't want to do any of his own beer, which was, I think, the right move.

01:02:01.209 --> 01:02:04.609
Yeah, Scott. I've been friends with Scott since before the podcast.

01:02:05.709 --> 01:02:13.109
I thought it was an honor to help him brew because I was home brewer and I forget

01:02:13.109 --> 01:02:16.329
exactly how we initially started communicating,

01:02:16.329 --> 01:02:19.109
communicating but he invited me down to brew with

01:02:19.109 --> 01:02:26.129
him a day and it was hijinks but he also did not hesitate to throw me into the

01:02:26.129 --> 01:02:31.769
the hot after the brew brew kettle with a scrubby and the barkeeper's friend

01:02:31.769 --> 01:02:38.469
to scrub out the brew kettle good on him i think that's great because it's it's the you know.

01:02:39.980 --> 01:02:46.380
I'm inviting you to come in and take on, but also if you want to actually do it, let's go.

01:02:46.660 --> 01:02:49.140
Yeah, no. He sent me in the hot brew kettle.

01:02:49.620 --> 01:02:56.660
I cleaned kegs. And this was early days where like five gallons of beer mattered

01:02:56.660 --> 01:02:58.460
kind of thing, or at least he thought they mattered.

01:02:58.620 --> 01:03:06.620
So like he had a batch of the stout, and he had 14 barrel fermenters and seven

01:03:06.620 --> 01:03:07.640
half barrel fermenters.

01:03:07.640 --> 01:03:10.640
And when he brewed a stout he had

01:03:10.640 --> 01:03:14.660
about eight barrels of wort of

01:03:14.660 --> 01:03:17.920
high enough gravity so instead of pouring the the half

01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:21.300
barrel down the drain he did

01:03:21.300 --> 01:03:24.760
the primary fermentation in a keg and now

01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:27.840
that the primary was done in the seven and a half there was enough headspace

01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:31.660
that he could drain this keg into it right so

01:03:31.660 --> 01:03:35.340
we were coming up with this whole rigmarole of

01:03:35.340 --> 01:03:38.440
like a chain hoist to lift the keg up and we

01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:41.780
had this hose on the bottom of the fermenter

01:03:41.780 --> 01:03:44.460
and he had me hold the hose

01:03:44.460 --> 01:03:47.260
up higher than the top of the fermenter so when we open the valve it

01:03:47.260 --> 01:03:52.000
should equalize right he forgot to open the vent at the top so the whole thing

01:03:52.000 --> 01:04:00.080
was under pressure so i'm statue of liberty beer fountain stout fountain and

01:04:00.080 --> 01:04:05.620
uh yeah made quite the mess i probably spilled like at least three of those

01:04:05.720 --> 01:04:07.220
five gallons we were trying to save,

01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:09.780
but. At least you got two.

01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:14.400
On East End Brewing, if you go to eastendbrewing.com slash gratitude,

01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:17.440
they have this whole list of the definitive gratitude guide.

01:04:17.700 --> 01:04:21.180
And so I'm looking up the one that we're doing now, and I can see that this

01:04:21.180 --> 01:04:24.340
is Red or Raven, and this is barrel aged.

01:04:24.660 --> 01:04:29.060
This is 2014, I assume. No, I don't know.

01:04:31.365 --> 01:04:36.285
I don't know if that's completely up to date. When they started doing the bottles. Oh, it's up to 2022.

01:04:36.745 --> 01:04:44.645
When they started doing the bottles, the very first one in 2005 was red wax.

01:04:44.785 --> 01:04:46.785
And then they did Roy G. Biv with the wax colors.

01:04:47.245 --> 01:04:49.225
And each one had a different bird on it.

01:04:50.025 --> 01:04:51.925
And this is maybe 2021?

01:04:53.285 --> 01:04:56.805
It could be. Because 2021, I see Cannes finally.

01:04:56.805 --> 01:05:03.025
And raven new label rye barrel age sticker on label date on bottom so i see

01:05:03.025 --> 01:05:07.945
bourbon barrel age here i oh date i do see a date on the bottom well that's

01:05:07.945 --> 01:05:10.045
probably the date then and it says,

01:05:10.705 --> 01:05:21.265
oh 2 14 29 20 wow it's from the future oh no 23 23 it says 23 from the future

01:05:21.265 --> 01:05:24.285
so so this is Not updated, unfortunately.

01:05:24.305 --> 01:05:29.185
They were selling a pack last February.

01:05:29.625 --> 01:05:33.905
February of 23, I think is when I got this. Where it was a six pack.

01:05:34.125 --> 01:05:39.105
And it was regular, scotch, bourbon, rye.

01:05:40.465 --> 01:05:42.405
Regular scotch, bourbon, rye.

01:05:44.545 --> 01:05:52.005
Rum. And then their wheat wine. Which instead of gratitude, I think it's called Hey Thanks.

01:05:56.305 --> 01:06:02.485
So it's always clever this guy was and is i guess i should say i shouldn't say

01:06:02.485 --> 01:06:06.325
like that god is always clever,

01:06:09.145 --> 01:06:12.605
gratitude so we haven't talked about this one at all i'm halfway through it

01:06:12.605 --> 01:06:18.165
oh yeah i haven't even i'm just smelling it i mean it's lots of like caramel

01:06:18.165 --> 01:06:21.625
Caramel with carbonation.

01:06:23.605 --> 01:06:30.685
Yeah, it's the, it's not like, without contrasting like a clean,

01:06:31.045 --> 01:06:37.285
un-barrel-aged gratitude, it doesn't really scream, hey, I'm a bourbon barrel. Ooh.

01:06:38.325 --> 01:06:39.905
It's more oaky than I expected.

01:06:42.805 --> 01:06:49.405
Yeah. No, you're totally right. It has almost the character you might expect

01:06:49.405 --> 01:06:55.165
if it was like fresh American oak blended way down so it wasn't too strong.

01:06:56.025 --> 01:07:00.345
It's pretty strong. Fresh American oak is obscenely strong. So to make it even

01:07:00.345 --> 01:07:01.965
this good, it has to be blended way out.

01:07:04.465 --> 01:07:07.985
But yeah, I didn't pick up on the oaky part until you mentioned it.

01:07:10.665 --> 01:07:14.525
Yeah, there's a lot of oak here. Did they say like what kind of bourbon they

01:07:14.525 --> 01:07:15.465
use for the bourbon barrels?

01:07:15.545 --> 01:07:18.345
I know it's not might not be this vintage, but like for any of the ones that

01:07:18.345 --> 01:07:20.005
say bourbon barrel sticker to say what kind?

01:07:20.825 --> 01:07:26.125
I do not see. I'm looking for various different things. My recollection says

01:07:26.125 --> 01:07:28.145
will it, but that could just be wrong.

01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:43.980
There is that kind of spiciness you associate with bourbon that comes through, too.

01:07:47.060 --> 01:07:50.940
It definitely has... It's a lot.

01:07:51.200 --> 01:07:56.160
Yeah, I mentioned how it's not screaming bourbon barrel beer, but it is substantial.

01:07:56.280 --> 01:08:00.660
It is more than barley wine.

01:08:01.980 --> 01:08:08.460
Yeah. and I'm enjoying it quite a bit but yeah, it's like not I'm less so to

01:08:08.460 --> 01:08:16.240
be fair I mean, I don't have to drive home so I'm allowed to enjoy more you are, it's true,

01:08:18.820 --> 01:08:25.040
to me it's yeah I'm questioning whether it's worth my sobriety,

01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:30.200
because I'm going to have at least another sip of it

01:08:30.240 --> 01:08:36.840
but at 11 plus percent put it in there and i'll drink it later there's a lot

01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:43.140
here and i feel like that especially with the big oak i'm kind of losing the

01:08:43.140 --> 01:08:44.560
other flavors that i might get,

01:08:46.460 --> 01:08:51.080
um so i'm kind of less inclined to keep continue on this one because just a

01:08:51.080 --> 01:08:54.380
lot as uh i don't know it doesn't quite,

01:08:56.300 --> 01:08:59.160
yeah there's not there's not enough reason for me to keep drinking yeah Yeah.

01:09:02.820 --> 01:09:06.920
So, I wouldn't say it's a bad beer brand, it's a stretch of the imagination, but it wasn't...

01:09:09.080 --> 01:09:13.160
It wasn't the... It reminds me a lot of the Co-Star. There were things that

01:09:13.160 --> 01:09:18.940
were not calling to me, and then were a little bit not like...

01:09:18.940 --> 01:09:22.380
A little bit rubby against the grain. Yeah, for sure. You know.

01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:26.060
I'll eat my fur backwards. Let's try the rye next. Let's do it.

01:09:26.060 --> 01:09:30.280
Which means next time we'll have scotch and rum.

01:09:31.320 --> 01:09:35.560
Okay. Interesting to see how those would be different. You'd think one would

01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:37.200
be very peaty and one would be more sweet.

01:09:39.740 --> 01:09:45.220
Just out of my mind. Yeah, you'd expect kind of that sugar cane kind of flavor out of the rum barrel.

01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:50.640
It'll give you a lighter pour so you don't have to commit too hard and you can always have more.

01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:54.220
This is a different aroma to it. This is the rye barrel aged.

01:09:56.660 --> 01:09:59.360
I see rum is a little more cutting.

01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:06.160
The rye barrel? Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't seem as like giant oak.

01:10:06.860 --> 01:10:08.220
It seems a little sharper.

01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:13.780
But you know, rye is kind of that more spicier grain, so you'd expect something like that.

01:10:16.040 --> 01:10:22.480
I still have a big head on mine, which is, I'm smelling like beer foam, you know, kind of that.

01:10:24.180 --> 01:10:27.160
Yeah, I'm not smelling anything off. I'm not smelling any plasticky notes.

01:10:32.472 --> 01:10:39.712
Okay, a detector that could be called acetone, but it was not, like, direct.

01:10:39.732 --> 01:10:42.932
Like, I had to search a little bit for it. There is, I mean, there's booziness.

01:10:43.052 --> 01:10:46.772
I'm getting booziness, but nothing that's kind of fusely or anything,

01:10:46.892 --> 01:10:50.612
like, extra hot. Nothing that screams, for sure.

01:10:51.052 --> 01:10:53.312
If there's anything you have to look for, which means it's probably,

01:10:53.432 --> 01:10:55.212
you're just over-interpreting.

01:10:57.812 --> 01:11:01.252
Yeah, this one has a more earthy. comparing the two this one's definitely less

01:11:01.252 --> 01:11:06.092
oaky more earthy yeah this one doesn't at least the initial taste doesn't strike

01:11:06.092 --> 01:11:09.452
me in the same way doesn't have that sharpness that um,

01:11:10.892 --> 01:11:15.412
that confused it actually seems like it has less body than the last one it does,

01:11:20.052 --> 01:11:25.492
which at 11.4 who cares kind of because it's still got that oh it's still viscosity

01:11:25.492 --> 01:11:30.672
yeah it just Just a purely contrasting point of view.

01:11:32.512 --> 01:11:39.152
There's actually a neat, almost like a nuttiness, like a nutty sweetness to this.

01:11:39.452 --> 01:11:41.772
Yeah, I agree that there's...

01:11:45.972 --> 01:11:48.972
I think the sharpness may be really helping it.

01:11:48.992 --> 01:11:54.232
The sharpness of the rye may be cutting off some flavors that go off to me.

01:11:54.232 --> 01:11:59.232
And is restraining the beer, in a sense.

01:12:00.232 --> 01:12:03.472
Which you kind of have to do when you make a beer with this kind of grain label.

01:12:04.472 --> 01:12:09.412
And this kind of, you know. I mean, yeah, the thing is ridiculous barley.

01:12:09.612 --> 01:12:13.692
And now we're sticking it in a barrel that has rye whiskey in the pores where

01:12:13.692 --> 01:12:18.012
the last one had, you know, bourbon, which is half corn. Yeah.

01:12:18.792 --> 01:12:23.792
So that sweetness really probably builds, like if you're talking about the,

01:12:25.772 --> 01:12:29.332
makes me wonder what the rum is going to taste like because yeah that sweetness does kind of build,

01:12:30.512 --> 01:12:35.732
I think I mean I've had these like in tasters at the brewery like during Gratitude

01:12:35.732 --> 01:12:39.552
Day and the rum one was pretty interesting like I don't have a clear enough

01:12:39.552 --> 01:12:43.412
recollection to describe what I had but it was distinct and I liked it quite

01:12:43.412 --> 01:12:50.492
a bit I think I remember the scotch one as being the most subtle one then but,

01:12:51.232 --> 01:12:52.612
but I don't know.

01:12:54.872 --> 01:12:55.272
Hmm.

01:12:58.895 --> 01:13:02.235
I can see that a scotch would be subtle. With this kind of grain bill,

01:13:02.415 --> 01:13:06.655
you might lose some of the peatiness and some of the extra smokiness.

01:13:07.075 --> 01:13:11.115
Well, I mean, scotch barrels are also used for a very long time.

01:13:11.455 --> 01:13:15.895
20 years sometimes, 30 years. So they lose a lot of the, all the stuff is in

01:13:15.895 --> 01:13:17.815
the scotch. They get more neutral.

01:13:18.115 --> 01:13:24.415
So when you put a beer in them, it's a bourbon barrel has even used one time for whiskey.

01:13:24.635 --> 01:13:28.775
Right, right. There's tons of oak left in it, and everything's lively.

01:13:29.135 --> 01:13:32.295
All those aromatic compounds, right.

01:13:32.395 --> 01:13:35.895
I mean, the scotch generally don't stop using a barrel until it just doesn't

01:13:35.895 --> 01:13:38.535
work for them anymore. That's true.

01:13:41.015 --> 01:13:47.195
So, yeah, so that would mean you would expect the scotch from that,

01:13:47.335 --> 01:13:51.275
if you were solely going on that, you'd expect the scotch to be more subtle,

01:13:51.355 --> 01:13:53.135
but have sort of smoky undertone.

01:13:53.135 --> 01:13:57.115
You'd have 20 years of peep-smoked malt that's lived in it, so you'd hope some

01:13:57.115 --> 01:13:57.935
of that would carry through.

01:14:03.655 --> 01:14:07.655
I like this one better. I really do, and I think this is...

01:14:08.675 --> 01:14:13.635
This one's more... It's less heavy-handed. This one's nuanced,

01:14:13.795 --> 01:14:16.935
I guess, even though at this point in the show it's really hard to pull.

01:14:16.935 --> 01:14:22.535
It's big. It's still a really big beer at 11.4%. It's still got a lot of flavor

01:14:22.535 --> 01:14:25.275
to it. It's got a lot of push to it.

01:14:25.315 --> 01:14:31.475
Like this, after most of these things, would still make an impression even after another big beer.

01:14:32.015 --> 01:14:38.875
But in comparison to the one we just had, yeah, it's more subdued.

01:14:39.095 --> 01:14:42.495
It's more focused.

01:14:43.395 --> 01:14:44.795
Yeah, I agree.

01:14:47.895 --> 01:14:48.475
Hmm.

01:14:52.275 --> 01:14:57.215
Well, here we go. Time to rank. Time to rank.

01:15:00.075 --> 01:15:05.995
Well, you go first because I went first last time. Okay. My number one. Include the cocktail.

01:15:06.535 --> 01:15:09.135
Include the cocktail. Okay.

01:15:13.003 --> 01:15:18.563
That's hard it's apples and it's limes and barley how do you compare limes versus

01:15:18.563 --> 01:15:23.583
i don't know how do you do it i know how i do it okay um,

01:15:25.363 --> 01:15:28.343
all right i i have a

01:15:28.343 --> 01:15:31.083
hard time put i didn't dislike the daiquiri but

01:15:31.083 --> 01:15:33.823
i have a hard time putting it in front of any of

01:15:33.823 --> 01:15:37.143
the beers on the cbr podcast so

01:15:37.143 --> 01:15:40.303
i'll put the daiquiri in last place fair enough and then

01:15:40.303 --> 01:15:46.763
i will put the just four

01:15:46.763 --> 01:15:49.603
beers then there were five five five the right they were

01:15:49.603 --> 01:15:52.843
taking pictures so yeah they're all right that's in the last load yeah i'm gonna

01:15:52.843 --> 01:15:56.083
put the co-star in the last place um

01:15:56.083 --> 01:16:02.263
i thought it was a fine october fest it probably could be a little bit refined

01:16:02.263 --> 01:16:06.783
maybe a little more malty but i enjoyed it nonetheless competition it was up

01:16:06.783 --> 01:16:15.463
against the night is stout and barley wine and sour so like i flipped the meaning of stout there.

01:16:19.523 --> 01:16:26.963
Let's put the bourbon barrel aged uh east end in fourth place let's put the

01:16:26.963 --> 01:16:31.983
rye barrel in third place uh all the things we just talked about the rye barrel

01:16:31.983 --> 01:16:35.863
was less heavy-handed and it seemed It was just more enjoyable.

01:16:36.003 --> 01:16:36.923
I like them both, though.

01:16:37.963 --> 01:16:45.543
And then the top seat. Do I go with the Rocky Road Marshmallow Walnut Beer,

01:16:45.663 --> 01:16:48.283
or do I go with that Sour Beer?

01:16:49.503 --> 01:16:54.543
They're both really, really good. They're both a cut above. Yes.

01:16:55.643 --> 01:16:57.703
I think I'm going to go with how they're sitting there. I'm going to put the

01:16:57.703 --> 01:17:00.323
Angry Chair in second place and the Allagash in first place.

01:17:00.463 --> 01:17:05.043
Okay. It could be a toss-up. Depends, do you want dessert beer or do you want,

01:17:05.043 --> 01:17:07.723
you know, a delicious sour?

01:17:07.943 --> 01:17:10.123
And tonight, delicious sour wins. Buy a hair.

01:17:11.583 --> 01:17:12.623
Oh, hi, Mark.

01:17:16.463 --> 01:17:23.223
Wanted to get a little Tommy Wiseau in there. Okay, so I'm going to arrange my guys.

01:17:32.963 --> 01:17:40.563
One, two, three. he's it's like he's playing a shell game over there all right

01:17:40.563 --> 01:17:45.103
he's got it i've got it nailed it.

01:17:48.336 --> 01:17:55.736
In last place, because the only one I poured out is going to be the gratitude.

01:17:57.756 --> 01:17:59.356
The bourbon barrel age gratitude.

01:18:01.416 --> 01:18:06.756
Yeah, it was the only one I poured out. It didn't strike my fancy.

01:18:07.356 --> 01:18:09.596
Next I'm going to put the daiquiri. I've made better daiquiris.

01:18:11.016 --> 01:18:13.296
What can I say? I gave you crappy lime juice.

01:18:14.796 --> 01:18:19.916
Kind of did. did i mean yeah that's true the lives were kind of old and but

01:18:19.916 --> 01:18:21.076
you know that doesn't mean,

01:18:22.176 --> 01:18:26.496
you know i don't know i it wasn't the best daiquiri in the world it's still

01:18:26.496 --> 01:18:31.976
a classic but like i've made better daiquiris for sure and i gave you crappy rum too i mean,

01:18:33.156 --> 01:18:34.476
i set you up for failure.

01:18:36.756 --> 01:18:43.716
Did the best i could i swear um next would be the co-star brewing because i

01:18:43.716 --> 01:18:48.796
found that was also like There was a sharpness there, like the bourbon barrel

01:18:48.796 --> 01:18:50.756
that was putting me off a bit.

01:18:51.516 --> 01:18:57.456
But, yeah, next is going to be this rye barrel gratitude that we're drinking right now. This is good.

01:18:57.676 --> 01:18:59.596
This has a lot to go for it.

01:18:59.996 --> 01:19:04.336
So does the Baltheus, which I think

01:19:04.336 --> 01:19:07.176
the Baltheus and the Angry Chair were both, like I said, a cut above.

01:19:07.476 --> 01:19:12.316
They were on another level from the rest.

01:19:13.316 --> 01:19:18.436
But I think that I would go for the Zerg beer before the Belfia.

01:19:18.476 --> 01:19:20.676
So I'm sort of the opposite of you in that regard.

01:19:22.396 --> 01:19:25.676
All right, marry, fuck, kill. Okay.

01:19:28.556 --> 01:19:32.076
Dude, I don't know. I don't know.

01:19:36.336 --> 01:19:41.296
I'm going to marry the Belfia. I'm going to fuck the Rocky Road from Angry Chair.

01:19:43.236 --> 01:19:50.976
And I'm going to kill the daiquiri. Oh, God, it doesn't place. I don't know.

01:19:52.636 --> 01:19:56.416
That's what I would do. Okay, I'll kill the daiquiri. Then I would do the same

01:19:56.416 --> 01:19:59.196
thing. I would do the exact same thing.

01:20:00.836 --> 01:20:03.756
Mostly because, like I said, I've made better daiquiris before,

01:20:03.916 --> 01:20:07.036
and so that was not a great daiquiri.

01:20:09.576 --> 01:20:14.816
So I feel like, yeah, kill that. that I want to do better. Delete that clone

01:20:14.816 --> 01:20:16.596
that had problems with it.

01:20:19.596 --> 01:20:22.396
All right. So yeah, that's it.

01:20:23.136 --> 01:20:28.036
This is a show without Shannon. So you see what, you know, the kind of,

01:20:28.036 --> 01:20:33.596
uh, the kind of how much better she made, how much better she makes us for sure.

01:20:35.616 --> 01:20:39.796
All right. Thanks everyone for listening and, uh, tune in the post show.

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We're going to talk about futurism. and more things.