WEBVTT 00:00:03.525 --> 00:00:11.305 Craft beer radio episode 524 on let's call it february 1st 2025, 00:00:14.265 --> 00:00:18.665 nice timing i'm gonna walk all over. 00:00:18.665 --> 00:00:19.745 The saxophone here. 00:00:19.745 --> 00:00:24.845 Uh this is our valentine's day are going to get sexy today. 00:00:27.145 --> 00:00:28.265 So, yeah. 00:00:28.525 --> 00:00:34.345 Yeah, we're back. You might miss us. There's a recording this on January 31st, 00:00:34.345 --> 00:00:38.545 and there is still episode 523, which I haven't posted yet. 00:00:38.725 --> 00:00:41.905 So that'll get up, and then this one will come up, and, you know, 00:00:41.985 --> 00:00:44.085 we still love you. We're just, you know... 00:00:44.905 --> 00:00:49.465 We're busy. I've been ridiculously busy. I'm in training at work, 00:00:49.525 --> 00:00:52.045 and it has been a long time, and I'm nearly done. 00:00:52.765 --> 00:00:57.765 but it has taken up a lot of my attention. Like I have very little attention 00:00:57.765 --> 00:00:59.465 anywhere else, even for like, 00:01:01.160 --> 00:01:03.260 Other things that are happening in the world, which I think is a good thing. 00:01:03.580 --> 00:01:05.040 Oh, it is definitely a good thing. 00:01:07.540 --> 00:01:12.360 Yeah, this is like beginning of travel season for us. 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:16.580 Sunday, we're headed out to Redmond for a week, and then we're back for a week, 00:01:16.600 --> 00:01:20.860 and then we're going to head to Atlanta for the WorkbenchCon conference and 00:01:20.860 --> 00:01:26.840 visit family in Florida and really don't have any strong plans on hurrying back. 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:29.880 So we'll see when we get back. 00:01:29.880 --> 00:01:33.980 Yeah, it might be six more months before you... I don't think we've gone that long. 00:01:34.520 --> 00:01:38.840 But it might be April before we get back, so... 00:01:39.360 --> 00:01:41.420 We'll do an April Fool's show. 00:01:41.580 --> 00:01:44.460 We used to. We used to do good ones. Maybe we'll work on one. 00:01:44.620 --> 00:01:45.620 Maybe. So... 00:01:45.620 --> 00:01:48.620 Greg grew on his eyes. Greg's not into it anymore. Never mind. 00:01:49.320 --> 00:01:53.740 Seems like a lot of work. This is Aurora Brewing... 00:01:53.740 --> 00:01:55.440 Nectar on Fresh to Death. 00:01:55.980 --> 00:01:57.120 Nectar on Fresh to Death. 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:00.780 So, uh, this is one of the beers that we got on our trip through the Finger 00:02:00.780 --> 00:02:04.540 Lakes. Being an IPA, it might be a little old, but let's see what it's like. 00:02:05.240 --> 00:02:13.480 So it's pretty cold. Uh, the OG or Hazy flagship Citra, Citra Cryo, Mosaic, Mosaic Cryo. 00:02:13.700 --> 00:02:17.560 Okay. But this one has Nectar on focus to it. I think. 00:02:17.860 --> 00:02:21.940 I mean, that's what they say. So it's like the, it's the Nectar on enhanced. 00:02:22.420 --> 00:02:22.540 Yeah. 00:02:22.920 --> 00:02:23.120 Yeah. 00:02:23.300 --> 00:02:29.200 Yep. this was like one of the best hazy hoppy breweries on that entire trip. 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:31.360 So hopefully it's still good. 00:02:31.440 --> 00:02:33.580 I can't even remember. 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:40.580 It was the one where the vineyard was outside where they had that thing that 00:02:40.580 --> 00:02:43.540 was making all the bird noises to scare the birds away. That was super. 00:02:43.920 --> 00:02:45.760 Oh yeah. That was. 00:02:45.880 --> 00:02:49.100 They had a speaker playing and it was just cycling through like a warning, 00:02:49.780 --> 00:02:54.900 like the warning calls of different birds and stuff like that you know like 00:02:54.900 --> 00:03:00.460 hawks above kind of warnings and stuff but it was loud it was annoying it was pretty annoying yeah. 00:03:02.044 --> 00:03:07.724 While I was warming up, I realized or I found in my car that there was something 00:03:07.724 --> 00:03:14.384 that I forgot to give you as part of the Christmas gift I gave you. And that was this. 00:03:15.124 --> 00:03:16.404 What have we got there? 00:03:17.224 --> 00:03:20.164 It's for the waffle maker. It's like waffle. 00:03:20.164 --> 00:03:21.704 Oh, okay. Waffle tongs. 00:03:22.684 --> 00:03:23.124 Cool. 00:03:23.724 --> 00:03:24.044 Sweet. 00:03:24.504 --> 00:03:26.164 We haven't even used it yet. 00:03:26.324 --> 00:03:28.724 No, I got to make some of these waffles. 00:03:28.964 --> 00:03:29.384 We do. 00:03:29.884 --> 00:03:33.404 Actually, no, waffle makers are making regular waffles. so we'll have to make regular ones. 00:03:34.244 --> 00:03:35.504 I have to make waffles. 00:03:35.724 --> 00:03:37.524 I thought you could make leash with it. That's what it said. 00:03:37.884 --> 00:03:40.464 Is it? Okay. I thought it was like a... 00:03:40.464 --> 00:03:42.124 No, I think you can make leash with it too. 00:03:43.004 --> 00:03:44.264 Awesome. Then that's what I will do. 00:03:44.584 --> 00:03:47.144 That's what it said when, you know, when I... 00:03:49.544 --> 00:03:52.584 So we're probably still within the window where you can return it and... 00:03:52.584 --> 00:03:56.304 No, no. I mean, when we make waffles, we'll use them. We just don't make waffles. 00:03:56.684 --> 00:03:59.064 We don't think about making waffles often, but we should. 00:03:59.264 --> 00:04:00.124 We get busy. 00:04:02.144 --> 00:04:03.484 Oh yeah you. 00:04:03.484 --> 00:04:08.964 Get busy that's right we've been very busy in january. 00:04:11.324 --> 00:04:13.124 All right so the i do. 00:04:13.124 --> 00:04:19.864 Wear my slippers that you got all the time oh glad you like it they're very warm. 00:04:19.864 --> 00:04:26.404 Yeah so the aroma on this it nectar on must be named because it smells nectarines 00:04:26.404 --> 00:04:29.964 it does carry through that kind of citrusy aroma i'm. 00:04:29.964 --> 00:04:37.744 Guessing nectarine is some sort of nectarine and orange type thing like a combination of the two you. 00:04:37.744 --> 00:04:38.824 Would think i would know that right. 00:04:38.824 --> 00:04:42.224 Oh you're thinking it's a fruit i'm thinking it's a hop named nectar on no. 00:04:42.224 --> 00:04:45.604 There's no mention of a nectar on a hop but then again it could be i mean. 00:04:45.604 --> 00:04:48.004 Like i said i just saw this. 00:04:48.004 --> 00:04:49.484 Is just the real listing for fresh to death. 00:04:49.484 --> 00:04:53.684 Yeah no when we were there they had several different versions of fresh to death. 00:04:53.944 --> 00:04:54.924 Okay, so let's see. 00:04:57.384 --> 00:05:00.284 I am looking. It's a hop variety. 00:05:00.284 --> 00:05:02.504 Okay, yes, one of the newest juicy hops on the market. 00:05:02.664 --> 00:05:02.884 Yeah. 00:05:06.944 --> 00:05:11.564 So the aroma has kind of that citrusy flavor, almost like an orange kind of 00:05:11.564 --> 00:05:13.364 thing. A little more tropical. 00:05:14.884 --> 00:05:19.604 There's a maltiness there, too. It has kind of a bready note to the aroma. 00:05:21.544 --> 00:05:28.464 I agree. There's definitely orangey citrus notes. The citrus more on the orange 00:05:28.464 --> 00:05:29.644 side than like a lemon side. 00:05:33.604 --> 00:05:39.444 A little like of that pithy orange note in the aroma, which is fine. It's good. 00:05:41.384 --> 00:05:44.024 You were talking about the malty note. 00:05:45.044 --> 00:05:47.804 It smells like it's not just... 00:05:47.804 --> 00:05:49.164 I think it smells bratty. 00:05:49.164 --> 00:05:52.284 Yeah, there's like a crackery kind of undertone. 00:05:52.444 --> 00:05:55.584 It takes away from it just being citrus juice or something like that. 00:06:01.481 --> 00:06:06.381 Oh, it still tastes pretty fresh to me. It's a nice creamy feel to it. 00:06:06.601 --> 00:06:12.241 The hops are still bright enough. They don't taste kind of faded or anything. 00:06:13.421 --> 00:06:14.261 It's not. 00:06:14.481 --> 00:06:16.341 A little more pithiness, I guess, in the flavor. 00:06:16.521 --> 00:06:22.121 I think the age you can tell because it's not bursting, right? 00:06:24.801 --> 00:06:29.641 The flavor is confined to the liquid that you have in your mouth instead of 00:06:29.641 --> 00:06:31.041 just bursting out. Yeah. 00:06:32.421 --> 00:06:33.981 But it is very tasty. 00:06:34.181 --> 00:06:35.941 Yeah, it looks like it was canned on September 9th. 00:06:39.041 --> 00:06:45.641 Yeah, I don't think it tastes as good as it probably did four months ago. 00:06:45.781 --> 00:06:51.941 Yeah, my guess is that, you know, because I've been, one of my things that I've 00:06:51.941 --> 00:06:59.341 been going over recently, my new passion is cladistics and phylogeny and that kind of stuff. 00:06:59.341 --> 00:07:06.941 But learning a lot about that makes you learn about all these parts of the body and how they work. 00:07:07.381 --> 00:07:15.081 And one of them is a better understanding of how aroma works to affect flavor. 00:07:15.261 --> 00:07:18.821 And really, it's these volatile compounds that are coming out. 00:07:18.841 --> 00:07:25.941 And there's a hole kind of in the back of your palate that leads up to your nose. 00:07:25.941 --> 00:07:30.861 And that's where all those volatile compounds go and combine with your nasal 00:07:30.861 --> 00:07:35.801 patches, all those sensors, and that combines with the taste to create what we call flavor. 00:07:36.541 --> 00:07:40.381 So I think what happens here is that the volatiles have died down. 00:07:40.861 --> 00:07:44.681 So you're not getting that kind of big burst. You're still getting a good flavor 00:07:44.681 --> 00:07:49.021 here, but you're not getting the fullness that it would have. 00:07:50.001 --> 00:07:52.781 Because, yeah, those volatiles are not long-lasting. 00:07:53.121 --> 00:07:56.641 Yeah, it was probably super bright. I still think it's really enjoyable. 00:07:56.861 --> 00:07:59.301 It has kind of a more of a creamsicle kind of vibe to it. 00:07:59.501 --> 00:08:00.061 It does have it. 00:08:00.221 --> 00:08:03.901 And mine's gone. So that was wow. 00:08:04.101 --> 00:08:05.021 Yeah, you went through it. 00:08:06.861 --> 00:08:10.241 There's a little bit of like a vanilla note there. 00:08:14.601 --> 00:08:19.901 To me, it's just very bready. That's what I'm picking up the most. 00:08:20.001 --> 00:08:20.701 I mean, citrusy and bready. 00:08:20.701 --> 00:08:24.881 I could see it being interpreted that way too. I think that it can go either 00:08:24.881 --> 00:08:29.941 way, that particular note that I'm interpreting as could very well just be, 00:08:30.021 --> 00:08:31.741 you call it bready and it's the same thing. 00:08:31.861 --> 00:08:32.121 Yeah. 00:08:35.752 --> 00:08:36.372 It's good. 00:08:37.572 --> 00:08:42.572 I mean, yeah, if we go back, this is a must revisit because it was, 00:08:43.232 --> 00:08:46.252 there was other good breweries that did other things well, but this one for 00:08:46.252 --> 00:08:50.372 doing hazies, they just were bright. They were distinct and flavorful. 00:08:50.632 --> 00:08:54.872 They were head and shoulders above what's average out there. 00:08:55.012 --> 00:08:56.032 These guys are in New York? 00:08:56.312 --> 00:09:00.772 Yeah, they're right on one of the Finger Lakes. 00:09:02.372 --> 00:09:05.612 They're kind of on a secluded side of the Finger Lake, Like on the other side 00:09:05.612 --> 00:09:09.612 of the lake, there's access to Watkins Glen and like a dozen breweries. 00:09:09.772 --> 00:09:16.292 But on the Aurora side, it takes like probably close to an hour to drive around the lake. 00:09:18.312 --> 00:09:27.672 Well, that was very good. Yeah. I mean, what I liked about that was I have not 00:09:27.672 --> 00:09:28.852 had hazies in a long time. 00:09:30.232 --> 00:09:33.812 I try to avoid them generally. That was not an obnoxious hazy. 00:09:34.892 --> 00:09:39.692 Yeah, most of the hazies we brought back from that trip, we just drank off show 00:09:39.692 --> 00:09:44.652 because we know that you're generally not a big fan, but figured we'd have one 00:09:44.652 --> 00:09:47.252 last one there since that's probably the last easy IPA. 00:09:49.512 --> 00:09:51.452 Oh, the mic fell down. 00:09:54.432 --> 00:09:55.932 Did the thing slide out? 00:09:56.132 --> 00:09:56.372 Yeah. 00:09:57.152 --> 00:09:57.812 That's weird. 00:09:57.972 --> 00:09:59.972 I'm going to have to get some glue. That was not expected. 00:10:00.532 --> 00:10:02.172 But okay, we're good. 00:10:02.472 --> 00:10:06.832 All right. this is another beer from the same trip this one's from Prison City, 00:10:07.372 --> 00:10:11.452 it's a collaboration between Prison City and, 00:10:13.472 --> 00:10:14.372 Strange Bird. 00:10:15.332 --> 00:10:16.892 Okay I think that's what I. 00:10:16.892 --> 00:10:22.792 Yeah so it says Prudent Bottled by Strange Bird but I bought it at Prison City 00:10:22.792 --> 00:10:27.292 it says both so I guess the Prison City people probably went to Strange Bird 00:10:27.292 --> 00:10:31.632 and made this beer and then we're selling it at Prison City too. 00:10:34.437 --> 00:10:41.977 So it's a blend of Strange Birds, Belgian Golden, Oak Age Belgian Golden, 00:10:42.197 --> 00:10:44.657 with Prison City's Mass Riot IPA. 00:10:45.277 --> 00:10:52.437 So a Belgian Ale IPA blend, but not a Belgian IPA. 00:10:52.977 --> 00:10:53.617 Right. 00:10:57.277 --> 00:11:04.037 Prison Riot is Prison City's kind of, they won the gold medal with the GABF out of nowhere. 00:11:04.437 --> 00:11:07.257 bunch of years ago and uh when we were up there they 00:11:07.257 --> 00:11:10.397 had prison riot mass riot 00:11:10.397 --> 00:11:13.257 is mass stands 00:11:13.257 --> 00:11:17.997 for massachusetts so it's a treehouse inspired prison riot right then they had 00:11:17.997 --> 00:11:22.777 a vermont or like uh you know so they had different names for like inspired 00:11:22.777 --> 00:11:26.337 by hetty inspired by treehouse inspired by things like that so they had different 00:11:26.337 --> 00:11:30.457 variations on mass on prison riot it's. 00:11:30.457 --> 00:11:33.537 Clever i can dig it this okay first 00:11:33.537 --> 00:11:36.437 of all i want to point out is 8.2 percent aquile volume so it's a little bit 00:11:36.437 --> 00:11:45.457 up there this has a that sort of belgiany um thing right on the nose it's got 00:11:45.457 --> 00:11:50.737 that kind of it's got a kind of wildness and it's got a little bit of a bready note i think. 00:11:50.737 --> 00:11:59.637 Came in a 330 so it's a little bit small bottle like 10 ounce bottle yeah the 00:11:59.637 --> 00:12:09.177 aroma is a little bit like barnyard like horse blanket but there's also like cherries in there yeah. 00:12:09.177 --> 00:12:15.377 Yeah that might not be brett i haven't had brett in a while so i'm not certain but it feels it. 00:12:15.377 --> 00:12:17.637 Seems like there's brett and Flanders. 00:12:17.637 --> 00:12:17.817 Culture. 00:12:18.177 --> 00:12:24.517 Both in there. Like you smell the funk first and then you smell the like acidic, 00:12:24.837 --> 00:12:26.417 you know, like the Flanders-y stuff second. 00:12:27.117 --> 00:12:31.597 But it's not a Flanders red. It's a golden looks like a hazy IPA. 00:12:31.617 --> 00:12:32.077 It does. 00:12:33.477 --> 00:12:36.717 Letting it warm up a little bit. I also have some other toys I brought. 00:12:38.337 --> 00:12:42.517 One is this thing that I got sort of as a second thought as I was buying the 00:12:42.517 --> 00:12:43.497 other thing I'm going to show you. 00:12:43.637 --> 00:12:47.037 But this thing, I don't even know how the AI will interpret this, 00:12:47.097 --> 00:12:48.517 if it will actually slide whistle. 00:12:52.177 --> 00:12:53.197 It's good for meetings. 00:13:00.537 --> 00:13:03.777 I should get one of those from my meetings. Yeah. 00:13:04.237 --> 00:13:08.377 But what I have is this. 00:13:09.017 --> 00:13:12.497 That looks, I've seen that somewhere. What is that? You showed it to me. 00:13:12.537 --> 00:13:14.877 I don't remember what it does, but I've seen that somewhere. 00:13:15.117 --> 00:13:18.977 This is an otomatone. Otomatone? 00:13:19.097 --> 00:13:19.457 Okay. 00:13:19.637 --> 00:13:25.357 Probably otomatone because it's Japanese. It is like a theremin type thing. 00:13:25.477 --> 00:13:25.757 Okay. 00:13:25.857 --> 00:13:27.537 You turn it on and... 00:13:33.103 --> 00:13:38.783 So it it's shaped like a eighth note so it has a flag up on top and a big ball 00:13:38.783 --> 00:13:45.923 at the bottom and on the stem there's this metal bar that's some kind of capacitive 00:13:45.923 --> 00:13:51.163 or resistive sensor and the yeah when you slide your finger it changes the pitch. 00:13:52.203 --> 00:13:54.383 Play with it you'll have some fun. 00:13:54.383 --> 00:13:56.183 There's switches in the back to change the tone. 00:14:02.563 --> 00:14:09.343 Cooper's freaking out over here it's like what is that it sounds like a rodent and i want. 00:14:09.343 --> 00:14:13.323 To kill it it also looks like learn where all the notes are you could play songs 00:14:13.323 --> 00:14:14.383 of this once you learn like. 00:14:14.383 --> 00:14:17.943 Yeah once you learn like where where it is now. 00:14:17.943 --> 00:14:22.783 You should you guys should play some music together. Get out your other little thing. 00:14:23.003 --> 00:14:25.323 Oh. Oh, yeah. 00:14:25.783 --> 00:14:26.043 Yeah. 00:14:33.883 --> 00:14:35.323 Should I go get my flute? 00:14:38.023 --> 00:14:41.863 At the back, there is the switches for high-low music. 00:14:42.323 --> 00:14:44.983 Gotcha. Bass. I'm going to play a bass. 00:14:46.483 --> 00:14:48.223 Oh, there. I like that. 00:14:53.863 --> 00:14:54.423 You play. 00:14:54.423 --> 00:14:58.463 With me shannon you give it a try cooper has no idea what's. 00:14:58.463 --> 00:15:01.983 Going on he's like i eat it he's like greg brought it it must be a toy for me to destroy. 00:15:06.016 --> 00:15:09.536 I wonder if like i said if the ai is just gonna completely like 00:15:09.536 --> 00:15:13.536 mute this and it's gonna be probably nonsense but it's 00:15:13.536 --> 00:15:20.396 a neat little toy i want to bring it to show helena uh who's you know she's 00:15:20.396 --> 00:15:25.196 he's eight now so she'll i think she'll enjoy it for 10 minutes i don't i'm 00:15:25.196 --> 00:15:30.376 not like giving it to her as a gift because i don't think that damien peckin 00:15:30.376 --> 00:15:32.276 necessarily want her to have that, 00:15:32.436 --> 00:15:35.556 but I think she'll have fun with it for 10 minutes or 15 minutes. 00:15:37.756 --> 00:15:39.996 And it's not like it cost much. It was 20 bucks. 00:15:41.876 --> 00:15:42.276 So... 00:15:46.316 --> 00:15:53.216 Okay, I could play around with this for a while, and it would keep me busy. 00:15:54.056 --> 00:15:56.016 It would be a fun thing to have on a desk. 00:15:56.196 --> 00:15:57.676 I think the help... 00:15:58.196 --> 00:15:59.316 Especially in an office. 00:15:59.576 --> 00:16:00.776 The most important thing... 00:16:00.776 --> 00:16:04.536 Yeah, no, I think it would be cool in all of us because the most important thing is that it's cute. 00:16:05.056 --> 00:16:05.596 It is cute. 00:16:05.596 --> 00:16:09.876 If it wasn't cute, it would be more annoying than it is. The fact that it's 00:16:09.876 --> 00:16:12.716 cute, it looks like a little known and it's got a little like face. 00:16:12.716 --> 00:16:15.496 It would be awesome if there was a little actuator in there to make it open 00:16:15.496 --> 00:16:16.656 its mouth when it was playing notes. 00:16:16.656 --> 00:16:19.556 That's what I thought it was going to do. I'm kind of disappointed that it didn't do that. 00:16:19.936 --> 00:16:21.636 Then would I get this for 20 bucks? 00:16:21.936 --> 00:16:22.936 No, for sure not. 00:16:23.436 --> 00:16:24.756 That'd be super cool if it sang. 00:16:24.756 --> 00:16:29.316 No, I think we should take a picture of it because when we do post the show, 00:16:29.516 --> 00:16:35.136 we should probably add a photo of, yeah, you should have a name for it. 00:16:37.736 --> 00:16:41.856 I'm posing. Okay. I don't have a name for it yet. 00:16:41.996 --> 00:16:48.196 I think that it's also a nice weight. It doesn't feel like ridiculously cheap. 00:16:48.636 --> 00:16:52.716 Also a nice thing about it. So, yeah, it's well built for what it is, 00:16:52.816 --> 00:16:55.396 which is just a little cheap plastic noisemaker. 00:16:57.576 --> 00:16:58.056 Sam. 00:16:59.756 --> 00:17:01.116 Sam? Sam? 00:17:01.456 --> 00:17:06.896 To Sam? Yeah. It could be a Sam. It could also be like a Rufus. 00:17:09.476 --> 00:17:11.336 Before I said Sam, I was thinking Remy. 00:17:14.816 --> 00:17:15.916 Like Remy Malek? 00:17:16.376 --> 00:17:18.496 I guess. I don't know. It just popped into my head. 00:17:18.496 --> 00:17:20.476 I don't think Remy Malek, I 00:17:20.476 --> 00:17:27.076 think Mr. Robot heckin' with one of those next to him as his only friend. 00:17:30.656 --> 00:17:31.976 Okay, Wild Riot. 00:17:37.656 --> 00:17:39.456 Has an interesting culture to it. 00:17:39.536 --> 00:17:40.896 Oh, that's funky. 00:17:41.596 --> 00:17:45.396 Yeah, it's a blend of bread. 00:17:45.716 --> 00:17:46.816 Yeah, definitely. 00:17:47.876 --> 00:17:50.316 And then, you know, it kind of gets... 00:17:53.718 --> 00:17:57.598 It has the, like, body of, like, a hazy IPA, right? 00:17:57.738 --> 00:17:58.058 Right. 00:17:58.218 --> 00:17:59.038 It finishes with that. 00:17:59.158 --> 00:18:04.478 I kind of like what it's doing here because sometimes the brett in these can 00:18:04.478 --> 00:18:07.158 take over and that's the aftertaste you get. 00:18:07.218 --> 00:18:10.418 And it's not the best. It's great as a flavor, but it's not the best aftertaste. 00:18:10.618 --> 00:18:17.518 No. Whereas this kind of lets you taste the brett and then kind of overwhelms 00:18:17.518 --> 00:18:21.198 it with the IPA stuff, at least in the middle. 00:18:21.198 --> 00:18:23.958 So now I'm getting a little bit of the aftertaste of the bread there, 00:18:24.078 --> 00:18:25.918 but it's not as potent as it would be otherwise. 00:18:27.678 --> 00:18:28.658 It's pretty good. 00:18:29.518 --> 00:18:35.038 This is one I think I would have one, but would not order a second. 00:18:35.598 --> 00:18:39.278 Because I think it's just, it would be too much. 00:18:39.578 --> 00:18:41.238 Yes. Well, it's 8.2%. 00:18:41.238 --> 00:18:42.018 So it's a lot right there. 00:18:44.378 --> 00:18:49.598 But I do like how funky it is. I just don't like that aftertaste. 00:18:49.758 --> 00:18:57.518 Yeah. I like what it's doing I really appreciate the craftsmanship here this is, 00:18:59.018 --> 00:19:06.358 wild it's well blended this is a blend they figured out the right proportions 00:19:06.358 --> 00:19:09.438 here they didn't just go 50-50 let's see what happens, 00:19:11.798 --> 00:19:15.318 yeah I like this a lot I like what it's doing would I, 00:19:17.318 --> 00:19:20.878 would I have a second one in a brewery no no. 00:19:20.878 --> 00:19:22.618 It's it's take home a four pack yeah. 00:19:22.618 --> 00:19:28.778 Yeah take home a four pack enjoyed over the course of a year a year is is probably 00:19:28.778 --> 00:19:34.218 right when you just are in the need for a little bit of funk because it gives 00:19:34.218 --> 00:19:39.238 you a good amount of funk but not just over what not just funk, 00:19:42.238 --> 00:19:50.678 yeah I like this I like the the bright thing the bright what kind of note is that that's, 00:19:57.559 --> 00:19:59.259 I want to say guava, but brighter. 00:20:00.459 --> 00:20:02.739 Yeah, okay. Yeah, there is a tropical fruit thing. 00:20:02.859 --> 00:20:03.039 Yeah. 00:20:03.239 --> 00:20:09.139 I was not focusing on that. I was just kind of painting it with a broad Belgian brush. 00:20:09.379 --> 00:20:13.019 But, you know, the tropical fruit comes through on that side of it. 00:20:13.099 --> 00:20:21.319 And then the kind of body of the New England IPA supports this. 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:27.259 It's not a blend or combination that I've had that I can think of where you 00:20:27.259 --> 00:20:29.959 get that kind of body support on a sour beer. 00:20:30.219 --> 00:20:34.619 Yeah. It's been a while since I had passion fruit, so I don't know if that's quite the same. 00:20:35.219 --> 00:20:38.979 The thing I'm thinking of if I want to try to recreate this flavor would be 00:20:38.979 --> 00:20:42.879 guava, pineapple juice, and orange juice. 00:20:44.419 --> 00:20:49.519 And I think that would get close to it. Might put kiwi in there instead of the orange. 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:54.159 I'm just trying to think of, like, if I were trying to recreate this as, 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:57.359 like, Because I could see that flavor going well in like a cocktail. 00:20:59.239 --> 00:21:02.339 There is a little bit of the funky in the flavor, too. I know you were just 00:21:02.339 --> 00:21:05.099 focusing on the fruit parts, but up front, right at the front, 00:21:05.219 --> 00:21:06.339 there is a little barnyard. 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:12.399 Right, and that's what I love is that you have this really nice, 00:21:12.499 --> 00:21:15.159 free, fruit-juicy thing alongside. 00:21:15.659 --> 00:21:19.259 So you got this brightness and this barnyard together, and I think it provides 00:21:19.259 --> 00:21:22.519 a good contrast and a good coupling at the same time. 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:22.919 Yeah. 00:21:24.659 --> 00:21:28.299 Like I said, I really, really respect the craftsmanship here. 00:21:31.703 --> 00:21:36.363 Drinking these beers from our harvest hosting trips makes me want to harvest host again. 00:21:38.683 --> 00:21:46.023 Ironically, or serendipically, we booked the ones to get down to Georgia today. 00:21:46.263 --> 00:21:51.103 Well, we didn't. You did all of that work. I can't take any credit for that. 00:21:51.163 --> 00:21:51.543 So. 00:21:51.723 --> 00:21:52.523 It was all you. 00:21:52.623 --> 00:21:53.583 Got several breweries. 00:21:53.683 --> 00:21:54.303 Palette cleanser. 00:21:54.423 --> 00:21:59.223 One of the ones we're stopping at, kind of interested, is in Asheville. 00:21:59.663 --> 00:22:03.303 White Labs, you know the yeast company? They have a pilot brewery, 00:22:03.303 --> 00:22:04.963 brewery yeast factory there. 00:22:05.163 --> 00:22:07.743 So we're actually going to stay at White Labs for two days. 00:22:08.723 --> 00:22:11.023 And it's over the weekend, too, so we'll be able to. 00:22:12.263 --> 00:22:15.123 We're thinking about avoiding Asheville, but I think it's been long enough. 00:22:15.123 --> 00:22:18.723 And I think, you know, helping with tourist dollars is probably a good thing. 00:22:20.083 --> 00:22:25.023 Hopefully we don't come across any roads that are still, you know, 00:22:25.463 --> 00:22:28.223 falling down while we're pulling a camper. 00:22:28.483 --> 00:22:29.383 All the disasters, I forgot. 00:22:29.803 --> 00:22:30.223 Yeah. 00:22:30.223 --> 00:22:33.823 The Asheville disaster was out of my mind, but that was a huge hurricane. 00:22:34.123 --> 00:22:35.063 Yeah. Yeah. No. 00:22:35.723 --> 00:22:39.623 There's parts around Asheville that are still decimated. It's going to be years 00:22:39.623 --> 00:22:42.703 before like chimney rock is put back together. 00:22:43.283 --> 00:22:44.863 Yeah. It's such a shame. 00:22:45.383 --> 00:22:46.083 Oh, right. 00:22:46.103 --> 00:22:51.823 I just know. I genuinely do fear for the travel, pulling a camper. 00:22:51.963 --> 00:22:56.303 It's one thing when you're just in the truck and, you know, you come across it. 00:22:56.303 --> 00:23:00.183 We're just going to be on highways for almost the whole thing. 00:23:00.243 --> 00:23:00.583 Well, yeah. 00:23:01.183 --> 00:23:02.723 I think we've got to go with this one next. 00:23:03.143 --> 00:23:04.763 But no, like... 00:23:05.203 --> 00:23:06.343 No, actually this one. 00:23:06.983 --> 00:23:14.363 Okay. You know, I thought about that, Shannon, and White Labs is up on the hill. We'll be okay. 00:23:15.003 --> 00:23:15.323 Okay. 00:23:17.875 --> 00:23:22.515 All right all right so now we're moving on to our denver trip where shannon 00:23:22.515 --> 00:23:26.775 ran out ran out to a conference in denver and we visited some breweries i think 00:23:26.775 --> 00:23:31.075 18 on that trip one of the ones that i hit up when shannon was busy working 00:23:31.075 --> 00:23:34.735 was cerebral brewing and mrs blushing mirage you. 00:23:34.735 --> 00:23:35.775 Went without me. 00:23:35.775 --> 00:23:42.835 This is the one where the uh the trans person wrote me that list of oh and i got mad at you 00:23:42.955 --> 00:23:48.155 that and she saw what was very cutesy handwriting and you're like what is this 00:23:48.155 --> 00:23:53.335 and she was drunk so she i was it was the night of our party and. 00:23:53.335 --> 00:24:00.955 Like midnight i come into the hotel room and see this handwritten note from 00:24:00.955 --> 00:24:05.355 obviously it looked like it was from a woman you know and i'm like. 00:24:06.235 --> 00:24:12.835 Yes it was very nice handwriting and she they i'm not sure which was a very nice person but. 00:24:12.835 --> 00:24:22.415 Yeah there's a trans woman who works at my um uh pharmacy yeah so uh i see her 00:24:22.415 --> 00:24:26.095 all the time she's very nice and she complimented my t-shirt when i had a mystery science city. 00:24:26.095 --> 00:24:27.875 2000 t-shirt and then we talked that's. 00:24:27.875 --> 00:24:29.335 One that i get compliments on a lot. 00:24:29.335 --> 00:24:33.495 Yep so she gave me a whole list of places to try which very few of them i got 00:24:33.495 --> 00:24:37.995 to try because it was the last day in aurora slash denver so uh. 00:24:40.322 --> 00:24:42.082 Yeah, I guess it was, because that was Tuesday night. 00:24:43.102 --> 00:24:48.122 All right. Cerebral Brewing has two breweries in the Denver area. We went to one in Aurora. 00:24:49.842 --> 00:24:58.082 They had some really good sour stuff, and they had some really big stouts and barrel-aged things. 00:24:58.362 --> 00:25:03.762 And I'm sure they had things in between, but I just remember that that's what they were really... 00:25:03.762 --> 00:25:16.042 Okay, I have to say this. when i first put my nose on it it smelled like a fart a sour fart. 00:25:17.502 --> 00:25:22.542 So let's explain this is at six point saint alcohol volume this is a wild ale 00:25:22.542 --> 00:25:29.182 aged 26 month in second use chardonnay barrels conditioned on sumac berries 00:25:29.182 --> 00:25:32.122 now you guys are you familiar with Sumac is a spice. 00:25:32.562 --> 00:25:32.782 Mm-hmm. 00:25:32.962 --> 00:25:33.802 Mm-hmm. Yeah. 00:25:34.122 --> 00:25:37.182 So for those who aren't, if you aren't, it's a Middle Eastern spice. 00:25:37.182 --> 00:25:42.302 It kind of got a mix of like a peppery note and a citrusy note. 00:25:43.702 --> 00:25:48.342 It's used a lot in like in kebab, that kind of stuff. 00:25:49.182 --> 00:25:54.162 Yeah. I'm not smelling anything sulfury that I could map back to a fart. Do you get anything? 00:25:54.602 --> 00:25:55.702 I don't know why. 00:25:55.702 --> 00:25:56.782 I'm trying to map it back. 00:25:56.882 --> 00:26:00.222 I think it's the wildness. I think that you can get sort of that dusty, 00:26:00.362 --> 00:26:03.182 dirty note and say, okay, it's not the smelliest fart in the world. 00:26:03.582 --> 00:26:03.862 No. 00:26:04.242 --> 00:26:04.962 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:26:04.962 --> 00:26:09.882 It's one of those that just makes you go, huh, I wonder what it's making. 00:26:09.882 --> 00:26:12.822 It's not like the dog farted and like, oh my God. 00:26:13.042 --> 00:26:15.742 No, no, not at all. It's just. 00:26:16.482 --> 00:26:18.742 Is there a port-a-potty kind of meat? 00:26:19.342 --> 00:26:24.602 I even sniffed at Shannon's glass there to see if hers had, you know, stratification. 00:26:24.942 --> 00:26:28.202 That smells the same to me. So maybe it was a fleeting thing. 00:26:28.362 --> 00:26:32.522 I am smelling, you know, this light funk, almost like a lemongrass-y kind of 00:26:32.522 --> 00:26:33.662 thing, kind of tartness. 00:26:33.802 --> 00:26:35.862 A little bit of that ropey-ness. 00:26:38.402 --> 00:26:42.362 Like you think of tweed, you think of dried straw. 00:26:50.282 --> 00:26:52.522 I'm letting it warm up a little bit. Yeah, me too. 00:26:52.782 --> 00:26:58.382 Oh, so I took a sip. But the sumac is totally in the flavor. 00:26:58.682 --> 00:26:58.982 Is it? 00:26:59.122 --> 00:27:05.562 When you say kebab, there's the spicing that is, it just drives. 00:27:05.922 --> 00:27:08.082 It drives the first sip at least. 00:27:10.022 --> 00:27:17.202 This would go really well with any kind of steak and kebabs and stuff. This is great. 00:27:17.202 --> 00:27:18.342 It's a meaty beer. 00:27:18.462 --> 00:27:18.842 It is. 00:27:19.062 --> 00:27:24.442 Yeah, there's a, what is that? There's almost a kind of unctuousness to it. 00:27:27.362 --> 00:27:29.962 it feels like it's making my mouth water. 00:27:30.482 --> 00:27:31.242 Mm-hmm. 00:27:34.231 --> 00:27:38.851 I hesitate to say it's agglutamate, but it feels something like that. 00:27:39.531 --> 00:27:45.711 I think it's the association of, you know, meats that we've had seasoned with sumac. 00:27:48.031 --> 00:27:51.931 Because it's a flavor that you haven't had. And, like, I haven't had anything 00:27:51.931 --> 00:27:53.371 else that I can think of, really. 00:27:53.551 --> 00:27:57.151 So it's like, well, my brain's just drawing this automatic conclusion that it's 00:27:57.151 --> 00:28:00.251 a, you know, in a falafel or something, you know? 00:28:00.451 --> 00:28:00.751 Yeah. 00:28:01.051 --> 00:28:01.891 A falafel. 00:28:02.271 --> 00:28:06.971 Yeah. I have it at home. I've tried using it in certain places. 00:28:06.971 --> 00:28:10.951 I've never found like the perfect place because it's not enough citrus to use 00:28:10.951 --> 00:28:14.431 like citrusy, not enough pepper to use like peppery. 00:28:14.591 --> 00:28:20.691 So it kind of where to use it, where to make it so it can at least stand out. 00:28:21.811 --> 00:28:25.671 Not that it obviously you can put in a spice blend and it'll work fine there. 00:28:25.811 --> 00:28:28.151 Like I think you can put that into a garam masala, for example, 00:28:28.291 --> 00:28:29.851 and get something out of it. but 00:28:29.851 --> 00:28:34.251 as like a highlight spice i don't think there's much you can do with it. 00:28:34.251 --> 00:28:37.151 So in addition to just the 00:28:37.151 --> 00:28:40.991 spice because the beer is totally more than just the spice the kind of sour 00:28:40.991 --> 00:28:46.011 that it is is more of the acidic culture kind of sour versus a saison or something 00:28:46.011 --> 00:28:49.731 like that so it kind of has a citric sweetness to it that's kind of i think 00:28:49.731 --> 00:28:54.491 where the lemongrass aroma that i i was smelling came from and. 00:28:54.491 --> 00:29:00.691 I think the flavor is there too a lemony you know more acidic flavor more towards 00:29:00.691 --> 00:29:04.451 that side of the aisle yeah as opposed to like for the nectar which is much 00:29:04.451 --> 00:29:08.651 more orangey right this is much more towards that lemony side. 00:29:09.491 --> 00:29:10.631 Yeah it's it's, 00:29:12.239 --> 00:29:17.059 I would say more sour than funky. Maybe there's a funky note to the sour, but. 00:29:17.219 --> 00:29:22.539 There is funk there. There's funk kind of, a general kind of underneath tone, 00:29:22.679 --> 00:29:23.959 but it's not an aftertaste tone. 00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:25.719 I think there's more funk than sour. 00:29:26.059 --> 00:29:26.419 Really? 00:29:26.719 --> 00:29:30.139 Actually, that sip, I noticed kind of a leathery, dusty leather, like. 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.739 That's the kind of funky. In the early middle, kind of with the sumac. 00:29:34.899 --> 00:29:36.399 Not a bready note, though, right? 00:29:36.439 --> 00:29:36.599 No. 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:37.479 It's not that. 00:29:37.539 --> 00:29:37.819 No. 00:29:38.299 --> 00:29:43.019 That thing that sort of lingers and tastes like cobwebs. 00:29:43.399 --> 00:29:47.799 This is more hay. 00:29:50.899 --> 00:29:52.439 This is a heck of a beer. 00:29:52.699 --> 00:29:53.319 It is. 00:29:54.579 --> 00:29:59.739 It's very tasty. It's really, because of that, whatever that's doing to make 00:29:59.739 --> 00:30:02.999 it feel very juicy, it's inviting and very drinkable. 00:30:03.199 --> 00:30:06.159 Yeah, it is. What'd you say the ABV was on it? 00:30:06.219 --> 00:30:07.159 6.6. 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:07.559 Oh. 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:10.439 So a little above average. 00:30:10.619 --> 00:30:11.779 But not crazy. 00:30:11.779 --> 00:30:13.239 I remember this one being pretty 00:30:13.239 --> 00:30:17.719 expensive. I asked the person at the brewery, you know, is it worth it? 00:30:17.779 --> 00:30:22.239 Because I think I might have paid $22 or $25 for this one. And she was like, yeah. 00:30:22.399 --> 00:30:26.599 It's as much as an Earl here. 00:30:27.179 --> 00:30:27.619 Earl. 00:30:27.779 --> 00:30:33.439 Earl's good. That was my grandpa's name and my dad's middle name and my brother's middle name. 00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:36.039 Earl. 00:30:36.299 --> 00:30:36.639 Earl. 00:30:36.939 --> 00:30:37.879 We found a name. It's Earl. 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:38.359 Earl? 00:30:40.932 --> 00:30:44.612 My name is Earl. I don't know if you remember that TV show. 00:30:44.892 --> 00:30:47.592 The show with Jason Lee. Jason Lee. 00:30:47.872 --> 00:30:50.472 And Ethan Supley. And Jamie Presley. 00:30:50.672 --> 00:30:54.792 I might have to put this one at the top of my list. You haven't had a few beers yet. I know. 00:30:56.352 --> 00:31:00.372 I just like this. It's just so different than anything I've ever had. 00:31:00.552 --> 00:31:05.792 Yeah, no, this is really good. This is really well done. 00:31:06.812 --> 00:31:07.612 The Chardonnay. 00:31:07.692 --> 00:31:09.152 Are you getting like Okie Nose? 00:31:09.312 --> 00:31:14.632 Oh, Chardonnay. Chardonnay, that was, that's a, you put the nail on the head. Well, I read it. 00:31:14.752 --> 00:31:15.552 So I can't, I can't. 00:31:15.552 --> 00:31:18.192 Oh, the barrels that it's put in? That makes sense, right? 00:31:18.192 --> 00:31:18.732 Yes, it does. 00:31:19.012 --> 00:31:25.092 There's a smoothness, like a slipperiness to the late mouthfeel. 00:31:26.512 --> 00:31:30.372 Then kind of that buttery oak kind of thing makes, it fits, yeah, for sure. 00:31:30.632 --> 00:31:32.112 It makes so much sense now. 00:31:34.072 --> 00:31:37.292 Yeah, when you get those missing puzzle pieces, like, oh, okay, 00:31:37.392 --> 00:31:38.632 everything sort of fits into place. 00:31:40.152 --> 00:31:44.112 What I'd love to do again, if you, you know, April Fool's notwithstanding, 00:31:44.312 --> 00:31:49.632 I'd love to, I don't know how we can do it, but I'd love to do a blind show again because it's so, 00:31:49.972 --> 00:31:53.752 I think one of the ways that we thought about maybe, or maybe we talked about 00:31:53.752 --> 00:31:58.552 this, was we each bring one or two beers and it's blind to the other two? 00:32:00.212 --> 00:32:03.552 Or why don't I just get a bunch of beers and blind them to you guys? We can do that. 00:32:03.652 --> 00:32:05.372 Or we can find someone. 00:32:05.412 --> 00:32:07.252 Well, then you guys can enjoy the blind. 00:32:07.492 --> 00:32:09.212 I can still enjoy them. I just can't. 00:32:09.212 --> 00:32:13.912 We do know beer people in town, so we could have them, pay them to put together the show together. 00:32:14.052 --> 00:32:15.372 Yeah, that'd be really cool. 00:32:15.672 --> 00:32:19.252 And we would probably do it a format like how the beerists do their blind shows. 00:32:19.692 --> 00:32:26.312 They typically get them sent in, but the bottles are all just taped over from head to toe, right? 00:32:26.492 --> 00:32:30.752 And then there's a card for each one and things like that. 00:32:31.012 --> 00:32:33.352 We wouldn't be able to do it literally blind, though. 00:32:35.477 --> 00:32:36.677 Which we've only done once. 00:32:36.837 --> 00:32:40.977 I mean, how could you do it literally blind? You have to be literally blind. 00:32:41.177 --> 00:32:47.037 We took it literally and we blindfolded ourselves and did this show. 00:32:47.117 --> 00:32:48.777 So we couldn't even see what the beer looked like. 00:32:49.277 --> 00:32:51.117 And that makes a difference. 00:32:51.357 --> 00:32:54.177 It does. We thought Stout was an IPA. 00:32:54.537 --> 00:32:54.937 Really? 00:32:55.137 --> 00:33:00.537 You get so much expectation from what you're going to taste by looking at a beer. 00:33:00.797 --> 00:33:04.557 Especially when you've had as many beers and thought as critically about them 00:33:04.557 --> 00:33:10.117 as us. we have these biases we see this beer we know things it's not going to taste like. 00:33:10.117 --> 00:33:18.357 Yeah you know yeah it's hard to it's hard to imagine and understand how much 00:33:18.357 --> 00:33:23.737 your visual information is adding to all of the information you're getting about 00:33:23.737 --> 00:33:27.657 around you so you're using that for so much, 00:33:28.157 --> 00:33:32.557 that when it's taken away, you are kind of rudderless. 00:33:33.677 --> 00:33:35.417 I'm very interested in that. 00:33:35.577 --> 00:33:38.777 Well, we can do that too. There's no reason we can only do one kind of blind show. 00:33:38.937 --> 00:33:42.357 It was wild because, yeah, I mean, you look at a beer and you look at this beer 00:33:42.357 --> 00:33:45.057 and you're not expecting, you're like, I'm not going to taste roasty notes in 00:33:45.057 --> 00:33:46.617 that, so I'm not going to look for them, you know? 00:33:46.997 --> 00:33:52.537 I'm not going to taste, you know, smoke in that. I'm not even going to look for it, you know? Yeah. 00:33:57.857 --> 00:34:02.137 Dang, good beers tonight, man. It's good. I'm happy. Thanks, 00:34:02.317 --> 00:34:03.817 Greg, for being like, hey, you want to do a show? 00:34:04.257 --> 00:34:04.557 Yeah. 00:34:06.797 --> 00:34:11.017 I mean, I was waiting for the end of the month because you wanted to do a dry 00:34:11.017 --> 00:34:14.157 January. And you did dry-ish, which is funny. 00:34:14.237 --> 00:34:19.057 Dry-ish, yeah. It was a very moist January. 00:34:19.437 --> 00:34:23.817 As we said at the beginning when we talked about this on New Year's Day, you make the rules. 00:34:24.077 --> 00:34:27.457 It's not like you're... 00:34:28.057 --> 00:34:31.857 there's like a scoreboard that you have to go against. It's whatever your rules are. 00:34:32.097 --> 00:34:36.837 And so if you're dryish, I think that's fine. It's whatever you set out to do. 00:34:36.857 --> 00:34:39.617 And if you feel like you've accomplished at least something, it's great. 00:34:40.217 --> 00:34:43.677 I eliminated more of the carbs than I did the alcohol. 00:34:44.637 --> 00:34:49.177 Which, I mean, I had a goal for both. And I decided that alcohol was needed because... 00:34:50.964 --> 00:34:54.904 has been so cold this year in January. 00:34:55.444 --> 00:34:56.244 We've been vortexed like crazy. 00:34:56.384 --> 00:35:00.784 Yeah. I mean, I think our mailman thought we were out of town all the month 00:35:00.784 --> 00:35:06.084 of January because I wouldn't even go out and get the mail out of the mailbox someday, weeks. 00:35:06.384 --> 00:35:11.784 Yeah. It's okay. Let it, you know, most of it's junk anyway. 00:35:12.124 --> 00:35:12.604 Exactly. 00:35:12.764 --> 00:35:20.504 I mean, all the bills I get are online. So what am I getting in the mail truly? 00:35:21.104 --> 00:35:24.904 The only thing that was important was because my company was purchased, 00:35:25.044 --> 00:35:29.264 there was all the new insurance and. 00:35:29.264 --> 00:35:30.364 Stuff like that. Yeah. 00:35:30.584 --> 00:35:34.724 Are you familiar with the service-informed delivery from the Postal Service? 00:35:35.604 --> 00:35:40.264 Yes, I have that. Yeah. So I see what's coming. There's a picture of what's 00:35:40.264 --> 00:35:42.744 coming and stuff like that. So, you know, okay, I can ignore that. 00:35:43.164 --> 00:35:43.584 Exactly. 00:35:43.824 --> 00:35:47.844 So for everyone listening, except for Greg McGill, look up informed delivery. 00:35:48.724 --> 00:35:51.164 And Greg is in New Zealand. so you can't. 00:35:51.404 --> 00:35:52.764 Who knows? Maybe New Zealand's had this watch. 00:35:52.764 --> 00:35:53.764 They probably have a better one. 00:35:53.844 --> 00:35:54.624 I bet they do. 00:35:54.744 --> 00:35:59.124 They certainly have a better one. But yeah, you sign up for it. 00:35:59.184 --> 00:36:02.284 It's free. They'll send you pictures. They usually scan the envelope. 00:36:02.504 --> 00:36:05.244 Sometimes they miss the scanner and they'll say there's extra mail pieces that 00:36:05.244 --> 00:36:06.944 haven't been scanned, but it's pretty good, you know? 00:36:07.164 --> 00:36:15.344 It is nice, especially if the weather is not ideal for going out to your mailbox. You can... 00:36:15.344 --> 00:36:17.364 Are we going to jump into the barley one or do you want to go into one of these? 00:36:17.744 --> 00:36:18.564 Is this a barley one? 00:36:18.564 --> 00:36:19.844 Oh, no, this is a barley one. Sorry. 00:36:23.464 --> 00:36:31.264 And do another wildish tiny This one's from Purpose Brewing This is Peter Bukhardt's new place Oh. 00:36:31.264 --> 00:36:34.944 Peter Bukhardt was in New. 00:36:34.944 --> 00:36:38.644 Belgium New Belgium And Rodenbach. 00:36:39.904 --> 00:36:42.244 Did New Belgian close? No. 00:36:42.344 --> 00:36:43.644 They're still open. 00:36:43.644 --> 00:36:47.984 There's so many Things have changed a lot Yeah. 00:36:48.084 --> 00:36:49.344 New Belgium's still doing pretty good. 00:36:52.464 --> 00:36:59.824 Where is this one let's see no this one's just whisper is this whisper of love. 00:37:03.188 --> 00:37:08.008 Purpose Brewing, south of Fort Collins. Still Fort Collins, I guess, but the south end of it. 00:37:08.168 --> 00:37:12.288 I think this was my favorite brewery of our Colorado trip. 00:37:12.788 --> 00:37:14.108 No, Wild Provisions. 00:37:14.368 --> 00:37:16.448 Oh, well, that one was really great, too. 00:37:16.588 --> 00:37:16.788 Jessup Farm. 00:37:17.288 --> 00:37:20.268 Oh, yeah, that one was really great, too. Okay. 00:37:21.768 --> 00:37:25.888 I did buy a hoodie from this brewery, though, because it was so good. 00:37:26.548 --> 00:37:30.968 Yeah, there's Peter. How about it? this is interesting because so, 00:37:32.808 --> 00:37:37.688 now I got an ad for one of the only problems with doing the show on my iPad 00:37:37.688 --> 00:37:43.108 instead of my computer is the iPad doesn't support you block and all the ad block stuff. 00:37:43.508 --> 00:37:47.468 So I get some ads. I got a Duke's mayonnaise on top of the thing. 00:37:47.908 --> 00:37:49.848 Already a fan. Don't need an ad. 00:37:50.068 --> 00:37:50.168 Yeah. 00:37:52.488 --> 00:37:57.548 Okay. Whisper of love is a second runnings of raspberry from their love bounce. 00:37:57.808 --> 00:38:01.608 So the second running is they do it, use it once. Okay, let's use them again. 00:38:02.888 --> 00:38:05.168 So this should be less intense. 00:38:06.588 --> 00:38:08.388 But hopefully we still get... 00:38:08.388 --> 00:38:10.788 I mean, the raspberries are probably used on the ferment side, 00:38:10.848 --> 00:38:14.168 right? So these are probably soaked on boozy raspberries. 00:38:14.668 --> 00:38:18.628 Oh, just... It smells beautiful. 00:38:19.348 --> 00:38:24.548 Yeah, it smells kind of like raspberry cream candies or something like that's what I'm smelling. 00:38:24.548 --> 00:38:27.468 One of the things you hope like for example like when 00:38:27.468 --> 00:38:32.328 you're making stock and you like if i'm making vegetable stock which i do um 00:38:32.328 --> 00:38:35.428 a lot especially have an instant pot it's so easy you just throw vegetables 00:38:35.428 --> 00:38:41.788 in there after an hour or so those vegetables are done they're just fiber there's 00:38:41.788 --> 00:38:46.288 nothing left so you hope that there's still stuff left right. 00:38:46.288 --> 00:38:47.448 These are sitting in a ferment. 00:38:47.448 --> 00:38:48.908 Yeah these are not like you'll. 00:38:48.908 --> 00:38:52.588 Get different kinds of things out of it when we were a purpose the person working 00:38:52.588 --> 00:38:58.008 behind the bar was the cellar manager and she was amazing we talked with her 00:38:58.008 --> 00:39:02.508 for what two and a half hours or something like that just had such a good time 00:39:02.508 --> 00:39:04.128 just shooting the shit with her, 00:39:09.666 --> 00:39:12.986 Yeah, the aroma has almost like a maple syrupy thing, or no, 00:39:13.086 --> 00:39:17.206 I guess it's more of just a barley syrup kind of sweetness up front. 00:39:17.986 --> 00:39:21.546 I smell raspberry, but I don't know if I'd be able to pick that up if I didn't know it was there. 00:39:22.146 --> 00:39:28.246 No, I would, if I didn't know raspberry, I would say it smells like a cherry pie. 00:39:28.666 --> 00:39:29.386 Yeah, yeah. 00:39:31.346 --> 00:39:35.446 There's kind of a syrupy barley, like, you know, if you're using liquid malt 00:39:35.446 --> 00:39:39.246 extract when brewing, there's a bit of the aroma from that coming out of this. 00:39:43.486 --> 00:39:44.366 Graham Cracker. 00:39:45.266 --> 00:39:48.586 Graham Cracker Not bad call I like that I like Graham Cracker Yeah, 00:39:51.246 --> 00:39:57.126 Maybe even a little What are those Like Pumpernickel Maybe even a little Like close to that. 00:39:57.126 --> 00:40:01.846 Okay And then if you give it a swirl That's where I kind of get those The raspberry 00:40:01.846 --> 00:40:06.206 flavor That kind of Reminds me of Those strawberry cream Like lozenge candy 00:40:06.206 --> 00:40:09.786 things That's hard candies That are strawberry cream When I give it a swirl smell. 00:40:09.786 --> 00:40:14.486 A little bit but not that much for me. 00:40:14.486 --> 00:40:24.706 I tasted it already so now your call on the graham crackers i think was dead on. 00:40:24.706 --> 00:40:31.266 First sip on the flavor for me it has a thinner body than i would have expected oh. 00:40:31.266 --> 00:40:33.886 That's really interesting. 00:40:33.886 --> 00:40:39.246 And uh yeah there's a couple very sour things The sour. 00:40:39.346 --> 00:40:39.866 It keeps coming. 00:40:39.986 --> 00:40:40.706 Which is really cool. 00:40:42.066 --> 00:40:42.426 Um... 00:40:45.169 --> 00:40:50.929 Yeah, there's a little bit of a creamsicle note here alongside that, but not a lot. 00:40:51.109 --> 00:40:54.409 Just a tiny bit. I think it's some of the malt coming in. 00:40:56.229 --> 00:40:59.629 Very. For me, it's very, very, very malty. 00:41:00.109 --> 00:41:03.789 Like, it tastes like, you know, like grape nuts. 00:41:04.089 --> 00:41:08.709 Like, you're getting, like, big, nutty, toasty. 00:41:08.709 --> 00:41:11.869 Wow, now that you brought that in, grape nuts is a really good call. 00:41:12.069 --> 00:41:13.749 Yeah. Well, grape nuts is barley, right? 00:41:13.889 --> 00:41:14.409 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:41:14.409 --> 00:41:23.969 But like this carries the barley, the sweet barley sugars flavor more than almost any beer. 00:41:24.269 --> 00:41:31.749 Like it's almost, the flavors I'm tasting taste like wort. It tastes like it's like under fermented. 00:41:32.069 --> 00:41:36.009 It doesn't have a body or a sweetness that feels under fermented, 00:41:36.029 --> 00:41:38.889 but the flavors seem under fermented. It's interesting. 00:41:39.049 --> 00:41:43.909 But on top of that is a huge raspberry sour. 00:41:44.409 --> 00:41:48.529 So it's not like you're getting, like, a malt soda, like a Goya malt or something like that. 00:41:48.529 --> 00:41:54.409 Oh, that's a good point, yeah. Maybe it is sweeter, and then the sour and the 00:41:54.409 --> 00:41:56.609 raspberry acid, you know, is balancing it up. 00:41:56.609 --> 00:42:00.169 The acid is definitely cutting it a lot, because that's what acid does. 00:42:00.189 --> 00:42:02.329 Acid cuts through flavors and kind of... 00:42:02.329 --> 00:42:03.529 Lick your lips. See if it tastes sweet. 00:42:05.969 --> 00:42:08.669 I'm not getting a lot of my lips on that. Okay. I licked my lips, 00:42:08.669 --> 00:42:13.249 and it tasted almost like, again, like barley syrup or something. 00:42:16.269 --> 00:42:19.749 But I like grape nuts is such a great call because yeah. 00:42:19.849 --> 00:42:24.609 That's a, I hesitate to use it so often because you know, beer has barley in 00:42:24.609 --> 00:42:25.649 it, grape nuts or barley. 00:42:25.829 --> 00:42:29.569 So it could be like something you use way too much. So I almost never use it, 00:42:30.109 --> 00:42:31.249 but this one warranted it. 00:42:32.129 --> 00:42:34.989 Yeah. And that's that smell you get when you're in a brewery and you smell all 00:42:34.989 --> 00:42:37.469 the work, you know, that grape nuts. 00:42:38.029 --> 00:42:41.089 Oh, when we were harvest hosting at prison city, 00:42:41.549 --> 00:42:44.869 it was wild because we were, we got there in the morning and 00:42:44.869 --> 00:42:49.489 we worked all day and they we we could smell like the brewing cycle so like 00:42:49.489 --> 00:42:53.309 three we could smell the mash in like three times throughout the day everything 00:42:53.309 --> 00:42:58.509 just got super sweet and then 40 minutes later got kind of bitter and sour and 00:42:58.509 --> 00:43:02.849 it got super sweet and then it got bitter and sour that. 00:43:02.849 --> 00:43:11.389 Reminds me of i was watching this thing online about how they make um uh the bomb and. 00:43:11.389 --> 00:43:13.229 Yeah we saw that. 00:43:13.229 --> 00:43:17.909 Yeah and and how the fact you're like on the floor you have to wear goggles 00:43:17.909 --> 00:43:20.349 and even that's not enough because it just. 00:43:20.349 --> 00:43:23.469 You know aerosolizes. 00:43:23.469 --> 00:43:24.729 And it gets everywhere and, 00:43:25.821 --> 00:43:26.901 Yeah, I can't even imagine. 00:43:27.141 --> 00:43:34.681 Yeah, that was an interesting episode. They basically went to Hot Ones and Hot 00:43:34.681 --> 00:43:36.621 Ones lies about how hot the hot- Oh. 00:43:36.621 --> 00:43:39.741 That was different. Yeah. That was different. That was another thing. 00:43:39.841 --> 00:43:43.601 But no, this was actually a First Week Feeds Presents. This was, I think. 00:43:43.841 --> 00:43:46.481 Esther- Okay. Oh, I remember that one, too. 00:43:46.601 --> 00:43:50.561 Yeah, she was on the floor and doing it. But yeah, we can talk about that, 00:43:50.641 --> 00:43:55.361 too, which is that Hot Ones, yeah, they give a description of the Scoville. 00:43:55.861 --> 00:44:00.781 They basically take the heat of the primary pepper in the sauce and say that's the heat of the sauce. 00:44:00.941 --> 00:44:01.081 Right. 00:44:01.901 --> 00:44:08.681 And this company, who also went to the bomb and whatnot, but they put them all 00:44:08.681 --> 00:44:12.961 through a spectrograph, a spectromandelizer, what are they called? Spectrograph? 00:44:14.581 --> 00:44:16.061 Was it a mass spectrometer? 00:44:16.181 --> 00:44:20.121 Yeah, mass spectrometer. And figured out how much capsaicin was in it. 00:44:21.281 --> 00:44:26.841 And the bomb was by far the hottest, as your tongue would tell you. 00:44:29.781 --> 00:44:33.821 And so many of the ones that are in the hundreds of thousands are not. 00:44:34.001 --> 00:44:35.461 They're still like just 30,000. 00:44:35.541 --> 00:44:35.761 Yeah. 00:44:35.761 --> 00:44:41.661 Yeah, yeah. So, and it's because of all the ingredients it's mixed with. 00:44:41.921 --> 00:44:50.661 Yeah, the dilution factor. And whereas the, the bomb uses pure capsicum, capsicum extract. 00:44:50.801 --> 00:44:57.841 So it's like, so there's no, there's no like diluting of that. That's there. 00:44:59.061 --> 00:45:01.901 And yeah. So it's like the bomb is the hottest. 00:45:01.901 --> 00:45:06.961 They put a number eight, even though pepper X, if you had a fresh one, 00:45:07.161 --> 00:45:13.081 it would be potentially, Although they talk about how Smokin' Egg Curry doesn't 00:45:13.081 --> 00:45:15.101 really release Pepper X, they don't know for sure. 00:45:15.241 --> 00:45:15.321 Well, 00:45:17.163 --> 00:45:20.663 They're starting, I mean, they don't, he doesn't want to lose the genetics. 00:45:20.663 --> 00:45:21.103 Right, yeah. 00:45:21.243 --> 00:45:25.143 Right. If you go to Pucker Butt's website right now, you can buy a bunch of 00:45:25.143 --> 00:45:27.163 Pepper X versions of sauces. 00:45:27.363 --> 00:45:30.063 So you can get Pepper X Gator, you can get Pepper X, like things that I have. 00:45:31.123 --> 00:45:37.603 And there was another YouTube channel that I watched. They made this insanely spicy hamburger. 00:45:37.823 --> 00:45:40.583 Remember the ones where they had like, they had volunteers and they were bowing it up? 00:45:40.583 --> 00:45:41.403 Yes, that was great. 00:45:41.403 --> 00:45:47.423 But he actually went and was picking peppers with Smokin' Ed for this. 00:45:47.563 --> 00:45:52.303 And Smokin' Ed has a spectrometer now, so he knows exactly how hot the sauces 00:45:52.303 --> 00:45:53.983 are, you know, that kind of thing. 00:45:54.303 --> 00:45:57.923 What was interesting about that video was I almost didn't watch it because I 00:45:57.923 --> 00:45:59.663 thought, this is going to be a hit piece. 00:46:00.123 --> 00:46:03.423 I was like, I don't really need to see it. But it was really interesting. 00:46:03.603 --> 00:46:07.223 They didn't, I mean, they did good reporting and they reported, 00:46:07.263 --> 00:46:11.743 you know, both the good and the bad. And they explained very well what they were doing. 00:46:12.063 --> 00:46:18.783 And even had a spoken ad to say, yeah, yes, the number is, how do you put a number on this? 00:46:19.263 --> 00:46:24.543 There's a certain inflation you do just for the purpose of selling stuff. 00:46:25.603 --> 00:46:31.023 And honestly, I get it. It's not that bad of like a sin. 00:46:31.183 --> 00:46:34.623 So next year when I do the fundraiser, the Hot Ones fundraiser, 00:46:34.623 --> 00:46:36.063 I'm going to feel like such a fraud. 00:46:37.283 --> 00:46:39.223 You just need to forget that you watched that. 00:46:39.223 --> 00:46:43.503 I don't know what I'm going to do. Like, I guess I need to be a showman and 00:46:43.503 --> 00:46:44.943 play it up. Yeah, you have to. 00:46:45.083 --> 00:46:49.883 I can't say this is only 12,000 Scoville units. 00:46:49.883 --> 00:46:54.143 It's not that much. It's at least in the 30,000. Or it was even maybe close to 60. 00:46:54.143 --> 00:46:56.603 I mean, but some of the middle ones where they start to get spicier. 00:46:56.703 --> 00:47:00.103 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. That's true. Like, they weren't that high. 00:47:00.183 --> 00:47:03.503 But I think that there's also the fact that the number gets higher. 00:47:03.643 --> 00:47:06.923 But what does that number really mean? right? Because when, 00:47:08.084 --> 00:47:11.664 You think of, oh, in the tens of thousands means it's super hot, 00:47:11.704 --> 00:47:20.264 but since it is a gauge scale, it doesn't really matter what the number is. 00:47:20.264 --> 00:47:23.164 It's just a factor that you go by. 00:47:23.304 --> 00:47:28.204 So if it's 200 to 600, 600 is a lot hotter than the 200. 00:47:29.144 --> 00:47:35.124 Did you see Matt Parker just did a stand-up maths where he was in the Amazon rainforest? 00:47:35.384 --> 00:47:35.644 Yes. 00:47:35.644 --> 00:47:41.584 They did the stings and they did the same kind of, it was a very Scoville-esque version of pain. 00:47:42.104 --> 00:47:46.364 Basically, how many of these nuisance wasps that barely hurt would you rather 00:47:46.364 --> 00:47:47.884 get stung by than this thing? 00:47:48.104 --> 00:47:50.264 And then they went all the way up to a bullet ant. 00:47:50.944 --> 00:47:52.344 It was good, too. 00:47:52.884 --> 00:48:01.944 Yeah, and the least nuisance one, I think Matt was probably the closest to write about it. 00:48:01.944 --> 00:48:07.404 My guess, I've never, never having had a bullet ant sting you versus that wild 00:48:07.404 --> 00:48:15.084 stinging you, but he was saying like 300,000 and everyone else like 300, maybe a thousand, 2000. 00:48:15.544 --> 00:48:18.984 It's like, really? You could, yeah, you could get those little stings all day 00:48:18.984 --> 00:48:24.164 and not have it be anywhere potentially from, I mean, they call it a bullet ant for a reason. 00:48:25.104 --> 00:48:27.564 Yeah. Made me not want to get stung by a bullet ant. 00:48:27.824 --> 00:48:31.504 I mean, I already didn't want to get stung by a bullet ant, but it kind of reinforced 00:48:31.504 --> 00:48:33.504 that. I was thinking about like, 00:48:35.216 --> 00:48:41.216 I wouldn't even, like, there's lots of things I'd do as sort of a no permanent 00:48:41.216 --> 00:48:43.816 damage. It'll be fun. I would not do that. 00:48:44.656 --> 00:48:49.436 That's too long to be in pain, in that kind of pain. 00:48:49.636 --> 00:48:55.196 Yeah, it's at least 10 hours of pretty, well, I mean, I was thinking last summer 00:48:55.196 --> 00:48:57.196 when we got stung by ground hornets. 00:48:57.716 --> 00:49:01.396 She got stung a bunch. I only got stung three times. 13 for me. 00:49:01.396 --> 00:49:08.076 And, you know, even after, so it was like, sort of like a bruise for like five days. 00:49:08.236 --> 00:49:11.376 And then it was itchy for another five days. You know, it's just like. 00:49:12.096 --> 00:49:14.236 I think the whole neighborhood heard you scream. 00:49:16.276 --> 00:49:19.316 Like a little girl. It was crazy. 00:49:19.496 --> 00:49:22.436 That was wild. Because I wasn't even that close. I was just kind of in the yard 00:49:22.436 --> 00:49:24.476 scoping out where the thing was. 00:49:24.736 --> 00:49:28.376 And a wasp hornet came up and saw me. And was like, motherfucker. 00:49:28.376 --> 00:49:36.196 It did a beeline, a literal beeline to me, and just stabbed its butt right into my ankle. 00:49:37.116 --> 00:49:39.156 And hornets don't die when they sting, right? 00:49:39.196 --> 00:49:39.476 No. 00:49:39.776 --> 00:49:45.656 He got stuck a little bit. Oh, okay. Like, they don't have barbs like honeybees? Okay, she. 00:49:45.816 --> 00:49:49.216 They don't have barbs like honeybees, but he also, like, didn't sting and went away. 00:49:49.296 --> 00:49:53.316 He was kind of stuck in there, and he's, like, thrashing to get loose. 00:49:53.456 --> 00:49:55.356 Or maybe he was thrashing to squirt more venom. 00:49:55.536 --> 00:49:55.636 Yeah. 00:49:55.876 --> 00:49:56.936 I don't know which, but. 00:49:57.916 --> 00:50:02.396 It was in attack mode because I had already tried to run them all over with 00:50:02.396 --> 00:50:05.516 the mower, which is why I got attacked. 00:50:06.756 --> 00:50:09.376 I mean, I did run over their nest. 00:50:09.636 --> 00:50:12.836 What you got to do is get some liquid nitrogen. 00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:18.240 because they ain't they ain't prepared for that shit. 00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:23.220 As long as it runs as long as like there's not like a sword or like a trap like 00:50:23.220 --> 00:50:25.920 the water trap like if it goes down that comes back up like. 00:50:26.520 --> 00:50:29.100 But I don't think they even know what to do with liquid. 00:50:29.100 --> 00:50:30.760 Yeah like would they I mean would. 00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:35.080 They be like oh time to get angry but like what's happening. 00:50:35.900 --> 00:50:40.280 I tried using some of the powder the dinamaceous earth powder that hopefully 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:44.460 they would track in it didn't kill them I'm ashamed to say this I poured a tiny 00:50:44.460 --> 00:50:48.360 little bit of gasoline down the hole because the vapors suffocate them. 00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:50.060 It's bad for groundwater. 00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:51.960 You're not supposed to pour gasoline on the ground. 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.740 No, I know, but I couldn't even mow the yard. I mean, I went, 00:50:54.900 --> 00:50:58.020 I was terrified to mow for months. 00:50:58.020 --> 00:51:02.280 So I used as little amount of gasoline as I could and the vapors just kill them. 00:51:03.060 --> 00:51:06.900 But I was hoping I could be a little more environmentally friendly with diatomaceous 00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:09.540 earth, but they didn't track enough in to... 00:51:09.540 --> 00:51:12.920 Yeah, I would totally be curious about liquid nitrogen or even just dry ice 00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.820 if you threw a bunch of dry ice on there. That might be easier to get. 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:21.220 That could potentially suffocate them, having it filled with CO2. 00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:28.780 Yeah, all the CO2 is there and it's super cold. So they'd be slowed down anyway. 00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:35.120 Yeah. Have you seen the Adam Raguseas recently where he's playing with the cloud chamber? 00:51:35.540 --> 00:51:39.760 No, I've kind of stopped watching Adam Ragusea stuff. He started doing all the 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.500 music shit and I'm just like, so. 00:51:42.500 --> 00:51:45.600 The last two he's done things with cloud chambers he would this last one was 00:51:45.600 --> 00:51:49.220 like how radioactive is food like bananas and stuff like that and. 00:51:49.220 --> 00:51:57.600 Not very no it's not it's there like if you had a um you can buy like i don't 00:51:57.600 --> 00:52:00.240 know if you watch the brainiac channel but they they sell like these little 00:52:00.240 --> 00:52:06.760 um and i think even veritasium a little dissimilar you can you can detect it from like, 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:09.120 and Brazil nuts especially, apparently, but, um, 00:52:10.120 --> 00:52:12.560 yeah, well, there's that concept of banana equivalent dose. 00:52:14.397 --> 00:52:18.757 Yeah, so like is a banana, it's potassium really. It's a potassium that has. 00:52:18.957 --> 00:52:22.737 Yeah, some percentage of potassium is the isotope that has decay, 00:52:23.057 --> 00:52:25.137 radioactive decay to it. I can't remember the numbers. 00:52:26.557 --> 00:52:31.877 But it's not very much of the potassium. And he even took potassium salt, 00:52:32.077 --> 00:52:37.157 potassium chloride, which is, it's not really a seasoning. 00:52:37.317 --> 00:52:40.077 It's more of a supplement you can take if you have potassium deficiency. 00:52:40.937 --> 00:52:43.217 And even that was barely radioactive. 00:52:43.217 --> 00:52:48.877 That makes sense. There is a law about alcohol in the U.S. 00:52:48.937 --> 00:52:54.557 that it needs to be radioactive to a certain extent because they want to make 00:52:54.557 --> 00:53:01.177 sure that it was not made from industrial processes because the carbon inside 00:53:01.177 --> 00:53:05.157 living things is going to be somewhat radioactive. 00:53:05.157 --> 00:53:07.337 That's what carbon dating is all about. 00:53:08.037 --> 00:53:15.197 And the carbon that you therefore get from a living thing processed into alcohol 00:53:15.197 --> 00:53:18.557 is radio is going to have some radioactivity. 00:53:18.677 --> 00:53:22.257 Whereas if you did it purely from an industrial process, which you can do with 00:53:22.257 --> 00:53:24.917 alcohol, it's not that difficult of a molecule to make. 00:53:27.277 --> 00:53:31.757 you potentially wouldn't have some, you know, I don't think that they, 00:53:31.857 --> 00:53:38.557 I think when I read about this and saw something about it, it's not like they actually do like a test. 00:53:38.757 --> 00:53:44.177 It's just sort of like, it's a standard that, that is established for the purpose 00:53:44.177 --> 00:53:51.497 of making, of, yeah, establishing that this needs to be made from a natural source. 00:53:53.057 --> 00:53:55.977 That's cool. I had no idea. I've never heard of that one different. 00:53:55.977 --> 00:54:01.357 Than let's say vanilla. A lot of vanilla you get is just a vanilla, 00:54:01.477 --> 00:54:02.497 another very simple compound. 00:54:02.997 --> 00:54:09.757 Um, and yeah, you can just make that industrially. And I find it's fine as long 00:54:09.757 --> 00:54:11.357 as you're not, as long as you're cooking it. 00:54:12.637 --> 00:54:17.717 Like, I think that that, because all the cool, all the great aromatics from 00:54:17.717 --> 00:54:19.577 good vanilla goes away if you cook it. 00:54:20.457 --> 00:54:22.817 So if you're cooking it, just use the imitation of vanilla. It's fine. 00:54:22.957 --> 00:54:24.197 It's the same thing you're going to get. 00:54:24.677 --> 00:54:28.917 If you're not cooking it, like if you're going to put it into a custard, 00:54:28.917 --> 00:54:36.917 like after it's done its thing or something like that, or into some drink, 00:54:37.077 --> 00:54:38.817 let's say, get the good vanilla. 00:54:39.697 --> 00:54:41.997 Like if you're going to put it into your smoothie, get the good vanilla. 00:54:42.177 --> 00:54:45.937 If you're going to put it into a cake, get the imitation of vanilla. 00:54:46.117 --> 00:54:48.157 It's much cheaper and it does the same thing. 00:54:48.577 --> 00:54:57.437 Cool. All right. You're done. channel finishers up let's do let's see this one's 00:54:57.437 --> 00:54:59.697 12.4 how much is the stout. 00:55:01.852 --> 00:55:03.372 Probably in the 11s is my guess. 00:55:03.512 --> 00:55:04.172 10.5. 00:55:04.412 --> 00:55:04.992 Oh, okay. 00:55:05.892 --> 00:55:09.872 I guess we'll do this out first. This is the Dark Intrigue from Victory Brewing 00:55:09.872 --> 00:55:11.992 sent to us by one of our listeners, Marinus. 00:55:12.152 --> 00:55:13.932 I would kind of want to do the Bernie one first. 00:55:14.012 --> 00:55:17.172 All right. This isn't the Dark Intrigue. Not sent to us by Marinus. 00:55:17.352 --> 00:55:23.212 This is the Jackie O's and Dancing Gnome. 00:55:23.792 --> 00:55:25.052 Ooh, Dancing Gnome. 00:55:25.072 --> 00:55:26.172 Way, way, way, way. 00:55:27.252 --> 00:55:28.992 Way, way, way. 00:55:29.772 --> 00:55:34.272 Which I told Greg. I really think it's a great name for a gummy. 00:55:34.872 --> 00:55:35.432 Yes. 00:55:36.552 --> 00:55:37.612 Way, way, way out. 00:55:37.612 --> 00:55:42.732 I think you're right on that. Bourbon barrel aged barley wine. 00:55:43.352 --> 00:55:45.092 Try saying that three times fast. 00:55:45.412 --> 00:55:46.972 Bourbon barrel aged barley wine. 00:55:47.332 --> 00:55:48.412 Three times fast. 00:55:49.172 --> 00:55:51.132 Bourbon barrel aged barley wine. 00:55:57.852 --> 00:56:01.612 Laid to rest, they say, in Russell's Reserve Barrels for... 00:56:02.612 --> 00:56:06.292 their flavor of Russell's Reserve. I guess that's... 00:56:06.892 --> 00:56:08.812 It's a rye whiskey, I think. 00:56:11.052 --> 00:56:13.232 So it's got some whiskey in it. 00:56:15.392 --> 00:56:15.992 Yeah. 00:56:16.312 --> 00:56:18.612 I've had Russell's before. I'm pretty sure it's right. 00:56:18.992 --> 00:56:19.332 Oh. 00:56:20.152 --> 00:56:22.792 Okay, there's a whiskey toffee note coming right off of that. 00:56:23.972 --> 00:56:24.992 Dark chocolate. 00:56:25.552 --> 00:56:29.052 Mm-hmm, that too. 12.4 on this guy. 00:56:29.192 --> 00:56:31.052 Oh. Oh. 00:56:32.372 --> 00:56:33.672 Not a small beer. 00:56:33.952 --> 00:56:34.432 No. 00:56:36.603 --> 00:56:39.543 It smells so good. It does. It does. 00:56:40.103 --> 00:56:43.743 It smells really good. I gotta let that warm up. We haven't mentioned color 00:56:43.743 --> 00:56:45.143 yet. We've been talking about it with the beers. 00:56:45.263 --> 00:56:48.103 We haven't mentioned color. This is a tannish. 00:56:49.963 --> 00:56:51.303 It's a toffee color. 00:56:51.483 --> 00:56:52.803 Yeah, toffee color. Cloudy. 00:56:53.823 --> 00:56:56.703 Yeah, it is cloudy. Cloudy. Cloudy. 00:56:56.723 --> 00:56:57.203 Cloudy. 00:56:57.543 --> 00:56:58.883 Just like Pittsburgh. Cloudy. 00:56:58.883 --> 00:56:59.903 With a chant on meatball. 00:56:59.903 --> 00:57:01.243 Today was so gloomy. 00:57:01.363 --> 00:57:09.163 It was the gloomiest day of 2025 so far. For sure. it was we're. 00:57:09.163 --> 00:57:12.403 Getting a new pattern right now right because everything's warming up compared 00:57:12.403 --> 00:57:16.623 to the vortex we were in um so it's. 00:57:16.623 --> 00:57:22.523 Like foggy all day because of snow and dew point and something or. 00:57:22.523 --> 00:57:25.143 Yeah i mean i didn't see the outside all day. 00:57:25.143 --> 00:57:32.303 Oh it both of our desks face windows so i keep my curtains closed a lot though 00:57:32.303 --> 00:57:39.063 but i did glance out a few times and it was You could hardly even see the backyard a couple of times. 00:57:39.203 --> 00:57:47.103 So aroma on this guy, right? It smells boozy. It has a woodiness to it. 00:57:49.623 --> 00:57:54.903 The barley wine part, you know, that kind of toffee. 00:57:55.423 --> 00:57:56.283 Dark chocolate. 00:57:56.383 --> 00:57:57.003 Toffee aroma. 00:57:57.523 --> 00:57:58.623 I'm telling you, it's dark chocolate. 00:57:58.623 --> 00:58:10.003 For Christmas, someone gave me these whiskey fudges, and this reminds me of them. 00:58:10.063 --> 00:58:11.943 Oh, whiskey fudge. 00:58:12.103 --> 00:58:15.703 Yeah. Like little things that were wrapped like the caramels, 00:58:15.803 --> 00:58:18.183 but it's whiskey fudge as opposed to caramel. 00:58:19.443 --> 00:58:20.463 That sounds good. 00:58:22.763 --> 00:58:23.803 Sounds really good. 00:58:24.343 --> 00:58:27.123 Flavor. I moved on to the flavor. Flavor on this guy. 00:58:29.163 --> 00:58:32.943 is malty and sweet, as you'd expect. Not too boozy on the flavor. 00:58:33.543 --> 00:58:38.923 There is a little hotness, I guess it's the end. Kind of gets thinner, dries out. 00:58:39.663 --> 00:58:44.983 A little bit of... Up front, it's kind of candy, like caramel. 00:58:45.303 --> 00:58:47.283 In the end, it's kind of... 00:58:50.443 --> 00:58:51.803 Another sip. Someone else. 00:58:52.443 --> 00:58:58.643 Jump in. I always... And I'm, I'm, barley wines rarely satisfy me. 00:58:59.143 --> 00:59:03.323 There is something about them that the end kind of thin, they had this sort 00:59:03.323 --> 00:59:05.023 of circus peanut thing going on. 00:59:05.463 --> 00:59:09.023 And that's why I didn't want to end with it. I wanted to end with something 00:59:09.023 --> 00:59:10.883 that I think was going to be more full. 00:59:14.483 --> 00:59:19.463 This is better than most. I would say I'm not getting as thin and no, 00:59:19.523 --> 00:59:24.543 but I'm getting still that thinning out, you know, very sweet. 00:59:25.803 --> 00:59:30.623 Um, there's a maple thing going on for sure. 00:59:30.983 --> 00:59:32.663 Oh, definitely maple. Maple is a good call, yeah. Yeah. 00:59:37.999 --> 00:59:39.839 They say it's brewed with meadow foam honey. 00:59:42.479 --> 00:59:44.379 Honey is another thing that thins out when you, 00:59:47.259 --> 00:59:52.259 like, if you're not careful with it. And this isn't as thin as I would expect 00:59:52.259 --> 00:59:55.299 something with honey to come out. So they did a good job. 00:59:55.979 --> 01:00:01.459 But at 12.4%, they clearly, like, jammed. I mean, the barley wine is going to be up in there. 01:00:01.979 --> 01:00:04.959 So you're sort of expecting that. But they jammed all into this bad. 01:00:04.959 --> 01:00:11.159 I mean, I don't disagree that it has a dryness at the end. but it has this thing 01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:14.899 that prevents it from being notably dry, for my opinion. 01:00:15.219 --> 01:00:15.639 Yeah, no, I agree. 01:00:15.859 --> 01:00:19.439 There's kind of this candy thing right in the three-quarter taste right there 01:00:19.439 --> 01:00:23.599 that is like a toffee chew or... 01:00:24.859 --> 01:00:27.639 I think this is one of the better done barley wines I've had. 01:00:27.739 --> 01:00:32.019 I am enjoying this more than most barley wines. 01:00:32.179 --> 01:00:35.939 There's kind of an old-fashioned thing going on here, too, with the way the bourbon's playing. 01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:37.199 Like the syrup and stuff like that. 01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:41.759 Yeah, that's not a bad call. It's not quite there, but there is that reminiscent. 01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:45.419 And, you know, like the bitters is kind of like filling in the gap there. 01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:52.599 You know, it's not quite as like spicy as Ango, but there's something that could be passable. 01:00:52.699 --> 01:00:53.679 Or a maple Manhattan. 01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:55.199 Yeah. 01:00:56.859 --> 01:01:02.979 Which is like, if you want a simple three ingredient cocktail, that'll do you well. 01:01:05.139 --> 01:01:12.279 just put some maple syrup in that bourbon and vermouth, and you'll get sort 01:01:12.279 --> 01:01:14.899 of very reminiscent flavors here without the thinness. 01:01:15.259 --> 01:01:15.419 Yeah. 01:01:16.899 --> 01:01:23.199 But without the carbonation as well. I have noticed that a lot of those drinks 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:27.599 become a little bit more drinkable if we just put a little bit of like seltzer or club soda in them. 01:01:27.759 --> 01:01:34.199 It just adds enough effervescence to be like, okay, I'm not just drinking a pure alcohol serum. 01:01:36.859 --> 01:01:39.959 I have to give that a try. I haven't thought of it. I'm not sure I've ever found 01:01:39.959 --> 01:01:43.699 myself unsatisfied with the good old... I've found myself unsatisfied with, 01:01:43.739 --> 01:01:45.399 like, bullshit bar old fashions. 01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:46.059 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:47.499 But not the good old fashions. 01:01:47.859 --> 01:01:49.639 The old fashioned from Maker's Day. 01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:52.799 No, I mean, sometimes you really want to savor an old fashioned, 01:01:52.879 --> 01:01:55.699 but sometimes you're like, I want to, 01:01:57.819 --> 01:02:02.659 imbibe myself and get it done, but I also want to do it in a way that tastes good. 01:02:03.279 --> 01:02:10.399 A little bit of a little bit of club soda will just make it that much more drinkable, 01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:13.379 and quaffable, and it will just go down even quicker. 01:02:13.939 --> 01:02:14.299 Cool. 01:02:15.526 --> 01:02:16.286 Give that a try. 01:02:17.086 --> 01:02:21.546 When we were on New Year's and I was here, which was really fun. We had a great time. 01:02:23.766 --> 01:02:24.586 At least I did. 01:02:24.786 --> 01:02:26.166 I'm assuming you guys did. No, it was great. 01:02:28.066 --> 01:02:29.686 You made eggnog. 01:02:30.206 --> 01:02:30.986 Oh, it was bad. 01:02:31.366 --> 01:02:33.026 Oh, that was so bad. 01:02:33.166 --> 01:02:33.886 It didn't work. 01:02:34.026 --> 01:02:37.646 I messed it up somehow. You ended up drinking both of ours, right? 01:02:37.926 --> 01:02:37.946 Yeah. 01:02:38.126 --> 01:02:38.326 Yeah. 01:02:38.646 --> 01:02:39.326 It wasn't great. 01:02:39.486 --> 01:02:43.486 It was just like booze at the end. And booze was like a little foam. 01:02:43.926 --> 01:02:44.326 Yes. 01:02:44.326 --> 01:02:47.506 This is just so foam. 01:02:47.826 --> 01:02:52.446 And look, I don't blame you. I mean, you made like an old, you were using the 01:02:52.446 --> 01:02:56.386 book that you graciously gave me as a present. 01:02:56.426 --> 01:02:57.186 The book called Inbib. 01:02:57.246 --> 01:02:57.486 Yeah. 01:02:57.686 --> 01:03:02.646 I was following the process that Greg from How to Drink did from the one he liked. 01:03:02.686 --> 01:03:03.086 Yeah. 01:03:03.586 --> 01:03:08.346 And it just turned out kind of shitty. Like, pretty shitty. Like, barely drinkable. 01:03:08.526 --> 01:03:11.346 Very, very shitty. No, it wasn't even drinkable for me. 01:03:11.386 --> 01:03:11.546 For me, it was barely drinkable. 01:03:11.546 --> 01:03:15.186 I gave it to you. and I think Greg you gave yours to. 01:03:15.186 --> 01:03:20.126 Yeah it was just like it just felt like I was drinking not even like a pure 01:03:20.126 --> 01:03:21.906 good spirit it just at the end was like, 01:03:23.006 --> 01:03:28.846 this is just I don't know and of the things that we took that day that was the 01:03:28.846 --> 01:03:33.866 thing that like immediately had an effect on me like oh god this is hitting me right away yeah. 01:03:33.866 --> 01:03:38.166 I'll have to do better because I mean we had some really great drinks that. 01:03:38.166 --> 01:03:43.866 Night though yeah and you made some excellent other drinks It was just that eggnog. 01:03:43.946 --> 01:03:47.586 Yeah, no. Not up to start. I even bought cognac just to make it. 01:03:49.186 --> 01:03:55.146 I mean, look, cognac is great to have around. I love cognac. I love a sidecar. 01:03:56.506 --> 01:04:01.426 I love a Jack Rose. A Jack Rose is so easy. 01:04:01.826 --> 01:04:06.466 I love these things that have fruit juice and really citrus. 01:04:06.466 --> 01:04:13.966 And a Jack Rose is just lemon juice, apple, uh, brandy and, um, uh, grenadine. 01:04:14.226 --> 01:04:16.726 And it's a really lovely drink. 01:04:21.109 --> 01:04:24.249 I just like an old-fashioned old-fashioned. 01:04:24.249 --> 01:04:29.249 Wonderful drink like there's it's hard to say like you can't go wrong with an 01:04:29.249 --> 01:04:30.449 old-fashioned unless it's a main. 01:04:30.449 --> 01:04:35.349 Maker camp can but other than that we've been a couple places where you know just. 01:04:35.349 --> 01:04:37.489 Shit bars yeah just don't know how to make. 01:04:37.489 --> 01:04:38.309 Old-fashioned they don't. 01:04:38.309 --> 01:04:39.289 Know how to make rum and cokes. 01:04:39.289 --> 01:04:43.149 You know you're in trouble when they ask you what is in an old-fashioned. 01:04:43.649 --> 01:04:44.209 Yes. 01:04:45.049 --> 01:04:51.729 Yeah. That's when you need to really change your mind, speaking from experience. 01:04:52.449 --> 01:04:56.009 Like I said, when I was on the cake, I made so many daiquiris for myself, 01:04:56.029 --> 01:04:59.089 and they're so easy and so good if everything's fresh. 01:05:00.829 --> 01:05:06.129 It's, you know, lime, rum, and sugar. 01:05:06.289 --> 01:05:13.409 And it's just like, you can't hide anything so if you have bad something it's 01:05:13.409 --> 01:05:17.689 not going to work but it is very refreshing easy. 01:05:17.689 --> 01:05:18.249 Yeah, 01:05:20.669 --> 01:05:25.129 you just got me into thinking about the strawberries because it'll be strawberry 01:05:25.129 --> 01:05:28.769 season when we get to Florida I can't wait to get some fresh strawberries, 01:05:29.889 --> 01:05:35.769 strawberries should probably make a point to stop by my favorite farm and get 01:05:35.769 --> 01:05:37.629 a bunch A bunch and bring them home, huh? 01:05:37.729 --> 01:05:43.769 Now I feel like an asshole to shit I didn't push. It was the new Glarus show that Mark sent us. Oops. 01:05:45.549 --> 01:05:46.549 I'll get that posted. 01:05:46.689 --> 01:05:47.449 Mark. I'm sorry. 01:05:49.989 --> 01:05:53.789 The pop culture references will be out of date, but the big list will be just fine. 01:05:54.289 --> 01:05:57.109 We've done it before. We've posted just two shows in a row. 01:05:57.489 --> 01:06:02.929 Yep. I was kind of looking through our notes here. The lab test. 01:06:04.429 --> 01:06:10.689 Oh. I don't know about you guys, but I still taste, you know, 01:06:10.969 --> 01:06:17.149 when you get an extremely dark chocolate, I'm getting that. 01:06:17.289 --> 01:06:21.129 You're getting that like big bitterness and also kind of a cherry note. Yeah. Yeah. 01:06:21.349 --> 01:06:22.289 Yes. Thank you. 01:06:22.629 --> 01:06:22.829 Yeah. 01:06:22.909 --> 01:06:23.689 I was having a hard time. 01:06:23.869 --> 01:06:28.109 That's, I mean, that's what I, I'm not tasting that, but I mean, 01:06:28.229 --> 01:06:30.289 the cherry with dark chocolate, I agree a hundred percent. 01:06:30.489 --> 01:06:32.889 You get that kind of, kind of cherry vibe. 01:06:33.109 --> 01:06:33.709 Yeah. Yeah. 01:06:35.489 --> 01:06:41.709 I'm more in barley soup. Like, not barley vegetable soup, but just like the 01:06:41.709 --> 01:06:44.229 barley flavor, the bourbon thick. 01:06:44.229 --> 01:06:49.089 No, the bourbon's definitely there. It's so good. 01:06:49.249 --> 01:06:52.209 This is a really well done barley wine that I'm enjoying drinking, 01:06:52.369 --> 01:06:55.589 which is, it's not something that I often say about barley wines. 01:06:58.129 --> 01:07:02.929 I do still have the same complaint that I always do about barley wines, 01:07:02.929 --> 01:07:05.329 was just that they end thin. 01:07:08.150 --> 01:07:09.090 You're watching Severance? 01:07:09.550 --> 01:07:09.990 Yes. 01:07:10.290 --> 01:07:12.250 Yes. Want to watch Severance after the show? 01:07:13.250 --> 01:07:14.830 Oh, yeah. The new episode. 01:07:14.930 --> 01:07:15.890 Yeah, yeah, for sure. 01:07:16.290 --> 01:07:17.970 Nice. Yeah. 01:07:18.270 --> 01:07:18.950 Sorry, folks. 01:07:19.110 --> 01:07:22.050 We're cutting this short. Severance is, I mean, it's doing the Lost things. 01:07:22.690 --> 01:07:26.930 Yeah, it's doing the Lost things. And look, Lost was a fantastic show. 01:07:27.930 --> 01:07:29.910 Yes, there are complaints you can 01:07:29.910 --> 01:07:34.630 have about how it ended. But as it was running, it was a fantastic show. 01:07:35.330 --> 01:07:41.650 Severance is following in that mold. I am pleased that so far they're not just 01:07:41.650 --> 01:07:44.330 answering questions because that would bug me. 01:07:44.330 --> 01:07:45.370 No they're still. 01:07:45.370 --> 01:07:50.550 Because one of the things that I love about Severance is it's mood Severance 01:07:50.550 --> 01:07:55.650 is about the mood and the overall sort of feeling I think Mr. 01:07:55.770 --> 01:08:00.290 Robot was a lot the same way it was about how it was evoking feels. 01:08:00.290 --> 01:08:01.510 Like Legion to me. 01:08:01.510 --> 01:08:02.750 Legion too. 01:08:02.870 --> 01:08:07.290 Yes I didn't say that It feels like Legion. 01:08:07.550 --> 01:08:10.990 It almost feels like it's in the Legion universe, like the way it feels to me. 01:08:11.350 --> 01:08:16.030 It does. There's definitely like a parallel universe thing going on. 01:08:16.130 --> 01:08:21.650 I don't know if you noticed in the last episode, they showed the parking lot, 01:08:21.650 --> 01:08:26.010 and it was all like 70s, 80s boxy Volvo cars. 01:08:26.750 --> 01:08:34.170 Not a single modern-looking car there. So clearly there's some alternate universe 01:08:34.170 --> 01:08:38.130 shenanigans going on, which is fine because it doesn't need to be our universe. 01:08:38.230 --> 01:08:40.950 It doesn't need to be exactly like our reality. 01:08:41.090 --> 01:08:46.630 This whole thing is kind of ridiculous anyway, but that's okay because what 01:08:46.630 --> 01:08:52.830 you're talking, what you're looking for is your, what it really expresses as well is that feeling of, 01:08:54.590 --> 01:08:59.630 of confinement and confusion and like, Like, 01:09:01.072 --> 01:09:08.092 And the aura of mystery that's there, and that is more important than the vagaries of the plot. 01:09:08.252 --> 01:09:13.652 And that's not to say the vagaries of the plot aren't, that you can't, you can ignore them. 01:09:13.752 --> 01:09:20.032 Because if you do that, you get into sort of the Zack Schneider Westworld land where nothing... 01:09:20.032 --> 01:09:21.412 Doesn't have to make sense. 01:09:21.612 --> 01:09:25.752 Nothing makes sense. And if you think about it for even a little bit, 01:09:25.812 --> 01:09:26.852 it completely falls apart. 01:09:26.992 --> 01:09:28.032 It's not internally consistent. 01:09:28.252 --> 01:09:32.852 Yeah. motivations of characters don't make any sense this is very different 01:09:32.852 --> 01:09:38.792 the motivations of characters still make sense but that's not why i'm watching 01:09:38.792 --> 01:09:44.032 i'm watching for the mood is presenting and the feeling that i'm getting when i'm watching it. 01:09:44.032 --> 01:09:46.612 Yeah it's such an unsettling mood of. 01:09:46.612 --> 01:09:47.592 That yeah whole. 01:09:47.592 --> 01:09:54.792 Like thing it's uh yeah i'm totally on board for it i've i've watched the what 01:09:54.792 --> 01:09:56.892 you forgot from season one but need to know videos. 01:09:56.892 --> 01:09:59.672 I didn't i didn't watch that but i was afraid i think i 01:09:59.672 --> 01:10:02.572 talked about this i was afraid at the end of season one that i thought this one ended in 01:10:02.572 --> 01:10:05.672 a fantastic way there wasn't i i 01:10:05.672 --> 01:10:08.912 like don't need answers as to what they're 01:10:08.912 --> 01:10:12.032 doing what like the the 01:10:12.032 --> 01:10:15.032 story was they they broke through 01:10:15.032 --> 01:10:19.492 for a minute what happens next that's up to you to decide like you that could 01:10:19.492 --> 01:10:23.972 have been a complete season and it would have been fine so if you're going to 01:10:23.972 --> 01:10:28.752 continue then you have to make sure that you're sticking with that same vibe 01:10:28.752 --> 01:10:34.432 and you're not just okay i'm going to answer all the questions and then that's it. 01:10:34.432 --> 01:10:38.652 Yeah you don't want to answer you want you want the characters to discover. 01:10:38.652 --> 01:10:39.512 Yes but. 01:10:39.512 --> 01:10:41.492 You want them to discover more questions along with. 01:10:41.492 --> 01:10:44.552 Some of the answers you know like that kind of thing like the question should 01:10:44.552 --> 01:10:51.252 lead to more answers like this should be a little piece of a story that is bigger 01:10:51.252 --> 01:10:54.792 and deeper but this part that we're looking at is just kind of a side piece. 01:10:54.992 --> 01:10:58.652 Like, maybe a couple seasons in, you can get to it, but at this point, 01:10:58.752 --> 01:11:02.512 we're in season two, you're not at the meet yet. 01:11:02.592 --> 01:11:04.512 So you shouldn't be getting to the meet. 01:11:04.732 --> 01:11:10.232 You should be just sort of exploring this, like, sidearm of what's happening. 01:11:10.732 --> 01:11:13.112 So how many seasons do you think we're going to end up? 01:11:14.252 --> 01:11:16.892 Well, as long as it's popular, we're going to get seasons, right? 01:11:18.192 --> 01:11:21.312 I hope that they decide to end, 01:11:21.452 --> 01:11:24.372 but I hope they don't decide to go game of thrones with it and then like 01:11:24.372 --> 01:11:27.672 just decide to uh 01:11:27.672 --> 01:11:30.332 write it off and i 01:11:30.332 --> 01:11:33.292 hope that they one of 01:11:33.292 --> 01:11:36.652 the things that that lost taught people who 01:11:36.652 --> 01:11:42.272 are writing shows is make sure you come up with an answer before you have before 01:11:42.272 --> 01:11:46.512 you introduce the question i think that was lost big thing they came up with 01:11:46.512 --> 01:11:52.152 a question didn't quite have an answer now i will say this much there were two 01:11:52.152 --> 01:11:56.272 shows that worked that way and were amazing shows, 01:11:58.028 --> 01:11:58.688 Do you know what they are? 01:11:59.288 --> 01:11:59.508 Nope. 01:12:00.648 --> 01:12:01.688 Questions without answers. 01:12:05.048 --> 01:12:09.508 They wrote themselves into corners and just figured out a way to get them out. 01:12:10.308 --> 01:12:11.528 Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. 01:12:11.808 --> 01:12:13.668 Oh. Okay. Wow. 01:12:15.168 --> 01:12:18.308 Somehow they did that. They didn't know the answer to the questions they were 01:12:18.308 --> 01:12:20.908 doing. They didn't know what they were making when they made Better Call Saul. 01:12:21.048 --> 01:12:24.408 I think Better Call Saul is better than Breaking Bad. I. 01:12:24.408 --> 01:12:26.948 Mean, it's a good thing that they were a free form of Better Call. 01:12:26.948 --> 01:12:27.388 Saul because. 01:12:27.388 --> 01:12:29.308 They saw like. 01:12:29.308 --> 01:12:29.928 What worked. 01:12:29.928 --> 01:12:34.788 Yeah like that ria shihorn's character was like oh. 01:12:34.788 --> 01:12:42.588 Oh okay let's go yeah yeah and look i think you can certainly be you can still 01:12:42.588 --> 01:12:46.888 have answers that you have for your things and still be flexible about how you 01:12:46.888 --> 01:12:51.188 get there like the path to getting to the answers doesn't have to be written in stone. 01:12:51.568 --> 01:12:59.508 But if you're not as good as Vince Gilligan and who's the other guy who did Better Call Saul? 01:13:01.108 --> 01:13:06.768 Peter Berg. If you're not as good as they are, don't do that because you're going to fail. 01:13:06.948 --> 01:13:17.348 If you're Ronald D. Moore, you're Damon Lindelof, who apparently did it very 01:13:17.348 --> 01:13:19.288 well in The Leftovers, didn't watch The Leftovers. 01:13:20.028 --> 01:13:25.368 So with Lost, right, they had some amazing, like, what earlier, right? 01:13:25.408 --> 01:13:28.648 And then it just, it was just too hype. 01:13:28.708 --> 01:13:34.428 It was, no, the problem was, for me, the problem with Lost was that the last 01:13:34.428 --> 01:13:39.968 season was a insult to the rest of what has been built. Because, 01:13:40.228 --> 01:13:42.108 first of all, they kept saying it's not purgatory. 01:13:42.428 --> 01:13:46.208 And then the last season, okay, you can call it what you want. 01:13:46.268 --> 01:13:54.708 It was purgatory. Um, the, their answers didn't satisfy the questions that were there. 01:13:56.460 --> 01:14:00.200 they didn't come up with a good enough excuse for 01:14:00.200 --> 01:14:03.360 what they had made before that was internally consistent and 01:14:03.360 --> 01:14:06.360 made sense the whole thing with the oh it all 01:14:06.360 --> 01:14:09.640 comes down to there's a hole in the world where light comes out of and you got 01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:13.240 to put a cork in it that was just like what does that have to do with any of 01:14:13.240 --> 01:14:18.460 the shit that we saw like it has to relate to your characters or otherwise it 01:14:18.460 --> 01:14:24.500 just feels if you totally like rewrite reality in the middle of the show it's not satisfying right. 01:14:24.500 --> 01:14:29.860 You have to stick with the reality that you think you're watching is the reality 01:14:29.860 --> 01:14:33.720 of the show and then have the interesting things on the edges of that. 01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:34.400 Yeah if. 01:14:34.400 --> 01:14:38.240 You'd replace the reality of what you think you're watching it's just bullshit. 01:14:38.240 --> 01:14:41.160 You can have magical shit as long as that magic 01:14:41.160 --> 01:14:44.360 also has rules that it has to follow when you 01:14:44.360 --> 01:14:48.600 are breaking the rules that's unsatisfying 01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:51.860 and that is a huge problem and so 01:14:51.860 --> 01:14:54.640 most people i think it's better 01:14:54.640 --> 01:14:59.280 for you to define what your mystery is beforehand and 01:14:59.280 --> 01:15:02.020 so you have a big mystery and then you 01:15:02.020 --> 01:15:04.980 make a show about a real like a branch 01:15:04.980 --> 01:15:08.100 of the mystery over off into here that eventually finds 01:15:08.100 --> 01:15:10.960 its way to your mystery because you can create a lot of 01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:13.860 really cool stuff about this branch that 01:15:13.860 --> 01:15:17.220 your mystery is on to eventually get to your your big mystery but 01:15:17.220 --> 01:15:20.260 you have a internal logic that it all kind 01:15:20.260 --> 01:15:24.900 of works under yeah if i were writing a show that's how i'd do it i'm not writing 01:15:24.900 --> 01:15:30.720 the show i'm just some schmuck who knows right now i'm enjoying severance it 01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:35.600 could turn to shit but look like i said loss was great until it wasn't this 01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:37.600 show could be great until it wasn't i'll enjoy it while it's great. 01:15:39.041 --> 01:15:41.021 Game of Thrones was great, too, until the end. 01:15:41.081 --> 01:15:44.001 Game of Thrones was great. Game of Thrones was great. 01:15:44.141 --> 01:15:45.641 Until that last episode. 01:15:46.861 --> 01:15:49.861 Until, frankly, until, like, the last couple seasons. 01:15:50.721 --> 01:15:50.901 No. 01:15:51.921 --> 01:15:54.081 If you really think about it, the last couple seasons. 01:15:54.081 --> 01:15:55.581 Probably, but it's been a while since. 01:15:55.581 --> 01:15:59.321 The writing kept getting worse and worse when it got away from George R. 01:15:59.361 --> 01:16:01.221 R. Martin's writing, which was so much better. 01:16:02.321 --> 01:16:06.481 When they stopped having books as reference, the writing got worse. 01:16:07.061 --> 01:16:10.821 like they had they had the outline but they 01:16:10.821 --> 01:16:14.141 didn't have the words that georgia because all 01:16:14.141 --> 01:16:18.801 those early seasons were there were lines and and stuff from the books and like 01:16:18.801 --> 01:16:24.621 it was really and and those were well-written books i read those and they're 01:16:24.621 --> 01:16:30.081 really you know you can see why they were big enough to get a series made out 01:16:30.081 --> 01:16:32.341 of them they're well done yeah. 01:16:32.341 --> 01:16:38.241 I mean it's Still, the balls that it took to, like, let's do this full-on fantasy 01:16:38.241 --> 01:16:42.781 series live action, like, when Game of Thrones started was pretty impressive. 01:16:43.061 --> 01:16:49.181 Yeah, yeah, no, it was, and it didn't have the, and it was small until it got 01:16:49.181 --> 01:16:53.301 bigger and bigger and bigger, and instead of, and they poured money into it, 01:16:53.381 --> 01:16:56.161 and then those guys were like, no, we're gonna go do Star Wars, let's just end. 01:16:57.741 --> 01:17:02.381 and just the the chutzpah of 01:17:02.381 --> 01:17:05.901 them just destroying their 01:17:05.901 --> 01:17:08.561 legacy completely i remember you know 01:17:08.561 --> 01:17:12.921 it ended like right at right before the pandemic started and pandemic was a 01:17:12.921 --> 01:17:17.101 big time when everybody was like re-watching shows or seeing things they counted 01:17:17.101 --> 01:17:21.481 no one was like i'm gonna re-watch all game of thrones because everyone knew 01:17:21.481 --> 01:17:27.321 oh this ends like shit whereas i think you could re-watch Lost and enjoy a whole lot of it. 01:17:27.761 --> 01:17:30.381 I want to re-watch um... 01:17:32.679 --> 01:17:38.179 Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad. But you've already seen it twice now. 01:17:38.459 --> 01:17:41.719 Oh, I could watch it again. It's one of the best shows ever made. 01:17:41.779 --> 01:17:43.219 It is. I love it. 01:17:44.179 --> 01:17:46.559 I don't like re-watching things a lot. 01:17:46.699 --> 01:17:46.899 Yeah. 01:17:48.819 --> 01:17:52.819 Because sometimes I feel like I'm just, you know, I could be spending my time 01:17:52.819 --> 01:17:53.599 watching something new. 01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:58.019 Or just completely wasting your time and you should be doing something different. 01:17:58.179 --> 01:18:02.199 Yeah, so when people are like, oh, I've re-watched Star Trek TNG for the 10th 01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:03.319 time. I'm just like, what? 01:18:05.619 --> 01:18:08.459 Have you watched Silo on Apple TV at all? No. 01:18:08.759 --> 01:18:09.159 Oh. 01:18:09.919 --> 01:18:13.519 Oh, I think Greg would, I don't know. I can't guarantee Greg would love it. 01:18:14.439 --> 01:18:18.119 I read or listened to the whole series of audiobooks. 01:18:18.259 --> 01:18:19.019 We, we, we. 01:18:19.019 --> 01:18:20.279 You listened to all of them too? Okay. 01:18:20.499 --> 01:18:21.319 We did together. 01:18:22.299 --> 01:18:24.719 Okay. Yeah, I guess we did. 01:18:24.739 --> 01:18:26.179 You don't remember? Yeah, okay. 01:18:27.519 --> 01:18:31.479 The world building is really good. The show does a pretty good job of doing 01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:33.079 a good thing. I think you should give it a chance. 01:18:33.299 --> 01:18:34.279 Yeah, you should. 01:18:34.799 --> 01:18:36.419 You should see. They just finished the second season. 01:18:36.619 --> 01:18:40.219 Apple TV is a very low hit rate. Severus is kind of the only thing on Apple 01:18:40.219 --> 01:18:41.979 TV that's hit with me. What's that? 01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:43.799 For All Mankind? 01:18:44.079 --> 01:18:47.119 For All Mankind is total shit as far as I'm concerned. 01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:47.739 Oh, really? 01:18:47.939 --> 01:18:48.659 Yeah, no, I hated it. 01:18:48.659 --> 01:18:50.799 I really liked that one. 01:18:51.908 --> 01:18:56.748 And you'd say, like, that's right up my alley. That kind of shit. Yeah. 01:18:56.888 --> 01:19:00.868 And you didn't like it, huh? I didn't like it. Did you like Man in the Hightower or whatever? 01:19:01.168 --> 01:19:01.888 I didn't watch that. 01:19:02.208 --> 01:19:04.828 I mean, that's another alternate histories thing. 01:19:05.188 --> 01:19:12.028 I liked Fringe until, like, I liked Fringe up until, like, through the third 01:19:12.028 --> 01:19:15.288 season, Fringe was awesome. And through, like, half the fourth season. 01:19:15.408 --> 01:19:16.828 I saw Fringe. When was that out? 01:19:17.408 --> 01:19:19.188 Fringe, actually, it kind of was like. 01:19:19.288 --> 01:19:19.988 Okay. It was a Fox show. 01:19:20.148 --> 01:19:23.128 Wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. it was um it was really early 01:19:23.128 --> 01:19:27.968 jj abrams like after felicity and maybe 01:19:27.968 --> 01:19:31.608 around the same time but like it started 01:19:31.608 --> 01:19:35.148 actually a little slow and then it got really really cool as alternate universe 01:19:35.148 --> 01:19:40.508 type of stuff and then petered out and kind of like but but for for a period 01:19:40.508 --> 01:19:45.428 of time it was like whoa this is fantastic there's so many cool things that 01:19:45.428 --> 01:19:48.328 are happening and so many cool ideas that are being so. 01:19:48.328 --> 01:19:53.148 I mean if i would say if you're going to do one or the other listen or read 01:19:53.148 --> 01:19:56.488 the the books of the silo series instead of watching. 01:19:56.488 --> 01:20:00.868 I guess so many podcasts listen to that's probably not it uh maybe. 01:20:00.868 --> 01:20:04.868 It's not in the cards for you it's but if you ever get to scraping the bottom 01:20:04.868 --> 01:20:06.848 of the bucket try silo yeah. 01:20:06.848 --> 01:20:10.948 There's so like there's so much on the list and what i've heard about silo is 01:20:10.948 --> 01:20:13.168 is first of all it's really slow that's one thing i heard. 01:20:15.228 --> 01:20:18.728 If I was saying one or the other I would listen to the audio books yeah. 01:20:19.468 --> 01:20:22.628 I would agree with that I think the audio. 01:20:22.628 --> 01:20:27.548 Books are better like post apocalypse it's. 01:20:27.548 --> 01:20:32.548 Well you don't know you know at the beginning is there's a civilization living 01:20:32.548 --> 01:20:35.148 underground in this silo. 01:20:35.148 --> 01:20:36.988 Did you watch Fallout? 01:20:37.808 --> 01:20:39.088 No that. 01:20:39.088 --> 01:20:40.348 Was on Amazon Prime. 01:20:40.968 --> 01:20:41.868 What was it called? 01:20:41.868 --> 01:20:43.968 Fallout based on the games? 01:20:43.968 --> 01:20:44.748 Oh, no, we watched Fallout. 01:20:45.488 --> 01:20:46.108 Did we? 01:20:46.528 --> 01:20:49.188 Yeah. They had Warren Goggins as the... 01:20:51.645 --> 01:20:54.105 it was earlier last year it was. 01:20:54.105 --> 01:21:01.725 Fallout as an example fallout team was fine but i really wasn't like i didn't love it. 01:21:01.725 --> 01:21:06.405 Yeah no it was better than shit and it was fan service and it was worth the 01:21:06.405 --> 01:21:09.405 watch for me i'm not gonna go back and watch it i'll watch season two when it 01:21:09.405 --> 01:21:15.285 comes out yeah um i think silo tells a better story it's a new story it's not 01:21:15.285 --> 01:21:16.825 you know video game thing, 01:21:19.845 --> 01:21:22.385 the show in season two I didn't. 01:21:22.385 --> 01:21:23.685 Even finish Last of Us I got. 01:21:23.685 --> 01:21:25.365 Bored even the. 01:21:25.365 --> 01:21:30.225 Episode that everyone loved I was like it's just. 01:21:30.225 --> 01:21:35.985 Where somebody died the episode no the. 01:21:35.985 --> 01:21:37.145 Episode with Nick Offerman. 01:21:37.145 --> 01:21:38.365 Oh okay. 01:21:39.025 --> 01:21:45.425 And I was just like I was pretty much bored throughout I don't understand why this is so amazing. 01:21:46.625 --> 01:21:48.365 Well you watch the bear right. 01:21:48.365 --> 01:21:53.665 No no I don't watch the bear because I don't want to get I hate shows make me 01:21:53.665 --> 01:21:55.665 anxious I hate movies and. 01:21:55.665 --> 01:21:56.385 Shit like I. 01:21:56.385 --> 01:22:00.805 Then watch uncut gems I hate shit that makes me anxious and the bear. 01:22:00.805 --> 01:22:05.785 It'll make you anxious it does make me anxious the most uncomfortable thing. 01:22:05.785 --> 01:22:07.185 Three fishes right. 01:22:07.185 --> 01:22:07.825 Or seven. 01:22:07.825 --> 01:22:08.845 Fishes seven fishes. 01:22:08.845 --> 01:22:16.225 Yeah it's the best episode like there's just this long shot like uncut and they're 01:22:16.225 --> 01:22:22.685 a bit of improv Bob Odenkirk is just ramping up the anxiety and, 01:22:24.465 --> 01:22:28.945 the mom is famous lady Olympia. 01:22:28.945 --> 01:22:29.985 Dukakis I don't know. 01:22:31.865 --> 01:22:39.285 Anyway I've lost it don't watch it you'll hate it but it's good it's good in that the one I watch. 01:22:39.285 --> 01:22:42.465 Is actually the episode after that because my sister said to watch this one, 01:22:43.960 --> 01:22:47.780 Because I'm in the hospitality industry, and she thought that would be... 01:22:47.780 --> 01:22:48.040 Okay. 01:22:48.220 --> 01:22:50.780 It was Forks, I think is what the name of it was. 01:22:50.980 --> 01:22:52.240 Yeah, I can't remember. 01:22:52.500 --> 01:22:59.820 And that was when, what's his name? Not the main guy, but his cousin goes to 01:22:59.820 --> 01:23:03.440 the fairly fancy place and is polishing Forks. 01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:06.100 Oh, yeah. That's a really good episode, too. 01:23:06.520 --> 01:23:11.500 It was fine, but I wasn't like... I wasn't... Oh, I gotta watch this. 01:23:11.500 --> 01:23:16.960 I don't think you can just watch that episode. Some of the first couple episodes. 01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:20.800 Like where you're getting to know the stress of the restaurant and stuff, 01:23:20.860 --> 01:23:23.360 I think are particularly good the way they deliver it. 01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:29.020 And then stuff in the middle, like Seven Fishes is just kind of like the one 01:23:29.020 --> 01:23:32.420 you submit for the awards. and then yeah. 01:23:32.420 --> 01:23:35.440 I think my sister episode. 01:23:35.440 --> 01:23:41.140 Though right after seven fishes i mean it's great but if you don't know the character. 01:23:41.140 --> 01:23:41.960 Yeah that's. 01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:48.020 You know leading up to that episode you i don't think you would appreciate it 01:23:48.020 --> 01:23:52.600 as much as you would if you had watched all the episodes prior. 01:23:52.600 --> 01:23:55.340 Probably not so like i think the reason why 01:23:55.340 --> 01:23:58.400 my sister recommended it is because my sister 01:23:58.400 --> 01:24:01.380 wasn't a big fan of community she watched a couple episodes but 01:24:01.380 --> 01:24:06.700 she like even like um uh the you know real chaos theory which is the one with 01:24:06.700 --> 01:24:13.800 the dice which everyone loves but i told her my favorite episode is is actually 01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:19.040 one that jeff you and i watched together uh and it was um in the second season, 01:24:19.980 --> 01:24:25.880 and uh um i i can't believe i can't cover the name it's my favorite fucking episode. 01:24:25.880 --> 01:24:27.460 The floor is Lava? No, no, no. 01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:29.260 That is fifth season. 01:24:30.060 --> 01:24:31.740 Oh, I remember that shit. 01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:38.920 It was the episode Conspiracy Theories and Interior Design. And, 01:24:40.146 --> 01:24:41.086 That's why I can't remember. 01:24:41.366 --> 01:24:42.386 I don't know. 01:24:42.846 --> 01:24:45.706 The titles are all based on my class names because it's a community college. 01:24:45.906 --> 01:24:49.386 But this was the episode with Kevin Corrigan. 01:24:49.546 --> 01:24:54.966 It was like, Jeff is faking a class, but it's a conspiracy class. 01:24:56.626 --> 01:25:01.286 And the hook, the beginning hook is like, they find that he's, 01:25:01.486 --> 01:25:05.246 the dean finds, oh, you're faking a class. 01:25:05.346 --> 01:25:09.326 And he says, no, I'm not. And he goes to a place and it's like, 01:25:09.486 --> 01:25:11.466 oh, it's a janitor's class. There's nothing there. 01:25:11.826 --> 01:25:18.046 And he's like, I don't know what's going on. And then suddenly the professor of that class appears. 01:25:18.286 --> 01:25:21.146 And the dean's like, are you what? I don't know you. 01:25:21.186 --> 01:25:24.286 And he's like, oh, I teach night school. and so it 01:25:24.286 --> 01:25:27.586 sort of like explained away and then the 01:25:27.586 --> 01:25:30.406 dean's like oh okay i'm sorry for for sorry for 01:25:30.406 --> 01:25:33.266 saying this jeff i'm sorry walks away and then 01:25:33.266 --> 01:25:36.226 and he's like i'm so i'm also sorry for accusing you 01:25:36.226 --> 01:25:42.546 and then jeff's like i've never seen the kind of life it's like 01:25:42.546 --> 01:25:45.526 what he's like i don't know and jeff 01:25:45.526 --> 01:25:48.626 is such a and and the character jeff is like he's 01:25:48.626 --> 01:25:54.246 not like he doesn't care he's just like amused that it happened and it's like 01:25:54.246 --> 01:25:59.486 fine that's awesome i don't know who that is whatever that's great and that's 01:25:59.486 --> 01:26:06.446 that's the first like four minutes the episode and it is it is so, 01:26:07.126 --> 01:26:12.406 and then it just goes from there it spirals into in this ridiculous into a bunch 01:26:12.406 --> 01:26:17.506 of ridiculousness and it's so silly and fun that you're just like, you're swept up in it. 01:26:17.806 --> 01:26:24.986 And that totally, my sister said after she watched it, I watched it and it was awesome. 01:26:25.486 --> 01:26:27.106 See, I've never watched Community. 01:26:27.706 --> 01:26:34.406 I would recommend you watch that episode because I think that is like pure distilled, 01:26:34.606 --> 01:26:35.866 this is what Community does. 01:26:35.866 --> 01:26:40.186 I'd love to watch it. Just watching like how the characters interact, it's so much fun. 01:26:40.286 --> 01:26:41.266 I'm kind of in that... 01:26:43.422 --> 01:26:47.022 low right now where i can't find any good. 01:26:47.022 --> 01:26:49.282 Shows to watch except the. 01:26:49.282 --> 01:26:53.802 Ones that you have to wait until it drops the next episode you know. 01:26:53.802 --> 01:26:57.822 The great thing about community is is very silly but it's a lot of heart a lot 01:26:57.822 --> 01:27:04.322 of heart it's these characters grow they have relationships with each other 01:27:04.322 --> 01:27:10.562 they go go in and out of but they they're consistently growing and you you get 01:27:10.562 --> 01:27:11.862 to know these characters very. 01:27:11.862 --> 01:27:12.782 Well they're family. 01:27:12.782 --> 01:27:18.782 Yeah and and there's and there's always heart at the at the center of the episode 01:27:18.782 --> 01:27:25.442 it's always something where the it's structurally good and you understand what's 01:27:25.442 --> 01:27:29.022 happening and you get to see these characters grow and learn. 01:27:29.022 --> 01:27:31.702 You got you sold me i'm gonna have to watch it. 01:27:31.702 --> 01:27:34.522 Yeah the person i couldn't remember was jamie lee curtis plays the mom. 01:27:34.522 --> 01:27:35.782 Oh yeah she's bipolar. 01:27:35.782 --> 01:27:44.582 I don't know why she nails it so good she nails it horrible she does that. 01:27:44.582 --> 01:27:50.382 Speaking of dark bad transition let's talk about this beer dark intrigue which i was saying. 01:27:50.382 --> 01:27:55.142 Before this beer was sent to us by a brewer at victory on our discord his name 01:27:55.142 --> 01:28:01.662 goes by marinus and uh yeah so this is uh their bourbon barrel aged imperial stout. 01:28:01.662 --> 01:28:04.602 Storm Stored in bourbon barrels, 9.1%. 01:28:04.602 --> 01:28:05.642 So we should talk about the color. 01:28:06.922 --> 01:28:11.442 Good call. Very, very dark brown. 01:28:11.682 --> 01:28:12.162 It is. 01:28:12.562 --> 01:28:16.662 Yeah, there's some highlights to shine through. It's not complete pitch black, not a black hole. 01:28:17.062 --> 01:28:17.222 Yeah. 01:28:17.742 --> 01:28:22.142 And then onto the flavor, or I guess aroma. 01:28:22.242 --> 01:28:26.142 Oh, what the aroma. So I'm getting some kind of berry. 01:28:29.056 --> 01:28:32.756 Like a blackberry? 01:28:33.536 --> 01:28:38.496 If anything, I'd call it a blackberry, but it's also like a chocolate. 01:28:38.496 --> 01:28:40.476 The first thing I'm smelling is like a baker's chocolate. 01:28:42.916 --> 01:28:46.476 Unsweet cocoa is the first thing I get, but no, berry, I think. 01:28:46.496 --> 01:28:51.096 It's not that there's not a berry in there. It's just that the chocolate is more. 01:28:51.096 --> 01:28:55.416 Almost like a dehydrated blueberry, I think. 01:28:55.856 --> 01:28:59.236 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, or currant. 01:29:00.016 --> 01:29:00.376 Currant. 01:29:04.416 --> 01:29:09.236 I got dried currants from Amazon, because where else can you get them? 01:29:09.376 --> 01:29:12.056 And they're nice, like throwing oatmeal or something like that. 01:29:13.096 --> 01:29:15.876 Also, a little bit of graham cracker again in the nose. 01:29:15.916 --> 01:29:17.096 Where do you get currants? Where do you get fresh? 01:29:17.096 --> 01:29:21.756 I don't know. I just assumed giant eagle only have them. 01:29:23.396 --> 01:29:27.036 No, currants are hard. And then a lot of the currants you can get in the United 01:29:27.036 --> 01:29:30.476 States are not currants. It's been so long since I've thought about this. 01:29:30.656 --> 01:29:35.336 But I remember back in the day when we were having currant beer in it, right? 01:29:35.356 --> 01:29:40.276 We learned a thing about how things that are packaged as currants are actually 01:29:40.276 --> 01:29:42.516 just blackberries or something. 01:29:42.536 --> 01:29:45.956 I don't remember that, but that doesn't surprise me that much. 01:29:46.096 --> 01:29:49.296 There's a lot of fakery going on in that food. 01:29:49.356 --> 01:29:52.276 Or currant jam, I think, is maybe not currants or something like that. 01:29:52.316 --> 01:29:52.476 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:29:55.196 --> 01:29:58.876 Yeah i think a little bit of graham cracker on top not a huge part of the aroma but it's in there. 01:29:59.376 --> 01:30:03.116 Do you detect a little bit of meringue, 01:30:05.436 --> 01:30:05.876 meringue. 01:30:05.876 --> 01:30:07.736 I could get that like. 01:30:10.156 --> 01:30:10.936 I'm trying to. 01:30:10.936 --> 01:30:12.036 Like yeah. 01:30:12.036 --> 01:30:14.156 Yeah yeah like. 01:30:14.156 --> 01:30:17.116 Top of the key lime pie like you know that kind of yeah like try to separate 01:30:17.116 --> 01:30:19.196 out the the citrus though yeah. 01:30:23.670 --> 01:30:26.510 I guess it's more that meringue is sweetened with a lot of sugar. 01:30:26.650 --> 01:30:30.330 Yeah, no, okay. I can, now that I'm... 01:30:30.870 --> 01:30:35.170 But like a meringue has a thing, right? Especially after it's baked and it has 01:30:35.170 --> 01:30:36.790 some caramelization. It's almost like a marshmallow. 01:30:36.950 --> 01:30:37.730 Like a toasted marshmallow. 01:30:38.030 --> 01:30:40.210 Yeah, that's what I was going to say, toasted marshmallow. Kind of like that. 01:30:40.250 --> 01:30:45.490 But it's very distinct. It's not a toasted marshmallow flavor. 01:30:45.810 --> 01:30:47.430 So that's where I was hung up. 01:30:48.450 --> 01:30:50.510 But now I'm getting a little sharpness. 01:30:51.110 --> 01:30:56.150 So now I'm getting the current thing that whoever mentioned it, I guess you did. 01:30:56.290 --> 01:30:56.650 Greg did. 01:30:56.710 --> 01:31:04.050 Kind of like, it took me smelling for meringue to get back to, 01:31:04.070 --> 01:31:07.890 it's a current meringue pie. You gotta follow the path. 01:31:07.950 --> 01:31:08.950 You gotta follow the path. 01:31:09.010 --> 01:31:10.950 Now I got the currents underneath the meringue. 01:31:13.470 --> 01:31:15.070 Okay, let's taste this bad boy. 01:31:15.170 --> 01:31:17.110 It's just a blackberry meringue pie. Come on. 01:31:17.390 --> 01:31:17.670 Mm-hmm. 01:31:17.930 --> 01:31:21.610 Let's make it simple. we can get blackberries at giant eagle. 01:31:21.610 --> 01:31:25.830 Onto the flavor not too boozy stouty 01:31:25.830 --> 01:31:29.010 pretty like again the cocoa the unsweet cocoa baker's 01:31:29.010 --> 01:31:35.610 chocolate comes a lot of roasty notes a lot of like almost charred roasty notes 01:31:35.610 --> 01:31:40.310 roasted almonds it's staying far enough away from char that i'm like finding 01:31:40.310 --> 01:31:45.170 it is kind of on the sweet side a little bit sweet to balance it's not Roasted 01:31:45.170 --> 01:31:47.010 almonds. It's not to the acrid side at all. 01:31:47.090 --> 01:31:53.910 I'm getting kind of acrid. I'm getting the bits of barbecue that have turned black. 01:31:55.510 --> 01:32:00.190 I'm not getting that far. I think it stays appropriately far away from that for me. 01:32:04.126 --> 01:32:04.946 A little raisiny. 01:32:07.626 --> 01:32:14.326 This, they clarify, is a Russian Imperial. So boozy and... 01:32:14.326 --> 01:32:19.606 So the one thing about Storm King is it used to be, at least when I was more 01:32:19.606 --> 01:32:21.766 familiar with having Storm King, very hoppy. 01:32:22.086 --> 01:32:24.666 I would actually age it so the hops would fade. 01:32:25.526 --> 01:32:28.306 But this has already been aged. So... 01:32:28.306 --> 01:32:29.366 Well, no, we just got it. 01:32:29.486 --> 01:32:31.246 No, this has been aged in bourbon barrels. 01:32:31.386 --> 01:32:35.746 Oh, okay. You're right. You're right. Yeah, we got it about a month ago. 01:32:38.046 --> 01:32:39.666 It was delivered in the snow. 01:32:40.586 --> 01:32:41.806 Left it out by the mailbox. 01:32:42.086 --> 01:32:44.766 Yeah, in a pile of snow. 01:32:44.866 --> 01:32:45.926 As long as it wasn't frozen, that's right. 01:32:45.926 --> 01:32:48.906 The box was in a pile of snow. I mean. 01:32:49.126 --> 01:32:50.266 That's interesting. It has a 01:32:50.266 --> 01:32:56.306 Best Buy. Barrel-age beers normally have a bottle on, and you can age it. 01:32:56.446 --> 01:32:58.786 But they want you to drink this within six months. 01:32:59.206 --> 01:33:01.806 No, a year. November 625. A year. 01:33:03.226 --> 01:33:05.546 Well within that range. 01:33:05.826 --> 01:33:08.666 I personally like the camp. Let me see that. 01:33:09.226 --> 01:33:14.126 I'm starting to detect at the end of this, especially as I let it sit, 01:33:14.366 --> 01:33:15.846 I'm getting some hoppiness. 01:33:16.986 --> 01:33:20.206 What's that? At the end of it, as I let it sit, I'm getting the hoppiness. 01:33:22.126 --> 01:33:25.766 Also, at the Victory Pub in Downingtown, where Marinus works, 01:33:25.926 --> 01:33:30.186 they're just releasing for the first time in a very long time Baltic Thunder, 01:33:30.446 --> 01:33:36.846 which is the Baltic Porter, an homage to heavyweights Pakuno's hammer. 01:33:37.506 --> 01:33:39.686 So bringing back some old stuff finally. 01:33:40.126 --> 01:33:44.326 But now that you mentioned the hoppiness, that's what I'm detecting is that 01:33:44.326 --> 01:33:46.766 sharpness. Totally. It's that, 01:33:48.336 --> 01:33:54.136 It's really almost janky hoppiness. It's kind of like this. 01:33:54.416 --> 01:33:55.436 Janky hoppiness. 01:33:55.536 --> 01:34:03.736 Yeah. It doesn't, it's not like citrusy or, you know, it's like this, okay, bitter cut. 01:34:04.116 --> 01:34:05.696 There's a grapefruit thing. 01:34:06.796 --> 01:34:07.356 Grapefruit. 01:34:07.516 --> 01:34:11.176 A little bit of grapefruit in there. You're dead on with the grapefruit. 01:34:12.556 --> 01:34:18.876 If grapefruit was 200% more piff, then maybe I'd agree with you. 01:34:18.936 --> 01:34:21.896 Well, like, lick the outside of a grapefruit. 01:34:22.236 --> 01:34:23.176 Yeah. Do you have one? 01:34:23.476 --> 01:34:25.996 No, but you've done it, right? 01:34:25.996 --> 01:34:28.276 No, no, never licked the outside of a grapefruit. 01:34:28.436 --> 01:34:33.696 Okay, can you make an approximation in your mind of what the outside of a grapefruit tastes like? 01:34:33.736 --> 01:34:34.676 Well, now that you mention it. 01:34:34.796 --> 01:34:40.436 No, I'm kind of curious. Sorry we don't have a grapefruit. Would you like me to go to the Giant Eagle? 01:34:41.356 --> 01:34:42.576 Yeah, how long will that take? 01:34:45.076 --> 01:34:46.636 I got 15 minutes. 01:34:47.516 --> 01:34:51.396 Oh, and you know what? I've been saying grapefruit, but I've been thinking cantaloupe. 01:34:51.516 --> 01:34:52.896 Lick the outside of a cantaloupe. 01:34:53.196 --> 01:34:56.676 No, I think grapefruit's accurate. Lick the rind of a cantaloupe. No. 01:34:56.876 --> 01:34:59.156 I definitely haven't licked a cantaloupe. 01:34:59.596 --> 01:35:00.976 Why am I? It's gross. 01:35:00.976 --> 01:35:02.036 Have you licked a camel? 01:35:03.396 --> 01:35:06.656 No, I've never been near a camel other than a zoo. 01:35:07.096 --> 01:35:08.136 A camel toe. 01:35:09.876 --> 01:35:11.996 I've licked a camel toe for sure. 01:35:12.456 --> 01:35:13.836 Not like this at all. 01:35:16.716 --> 01:35:20.696 No, it's kind of like that pith on a melon, like a musk melon kind of thing 01:35:20.696 --> 01:35:22.836 is what I'm kind of getting through. 01:35:25.756 --> 01:35:32.076 Like the closest I've gotten to that is maybe like cutting too far into a melon to get into that area. 01:35:32.196 --> 01:35:37.596 But I know I'm not, but at least it's not memorable to me that I'm not pulling that up as a memory. 01:35:38.156 --> 01:35:41.756 So, or the sense memory. So I don't know what that is. 01:35:45.596 --> 01:35:49.636 It's going to be on the news. That's something that... Man caught licking all 01:35:49.636 --> 01:35:50.616 of the produce. If I heard of that. 01:35:50.736 --> 01:35:51.936 It's a rare statement. 01:35:54.516 --> 01:35:58.616 That goes back to a long time ago when we talk about things like taste or smell 01:35:58.616 --> 01:36:01.656 like granite or asphalt or stuff. Or cardboard. 01:36:02.656 --> 01:36:07.236 And people have asked me, have you really licked cardboard? I'm like, well, actually I have. 01:36:07.236 --> 01:36:07.756 Oh, okay. 01:36:08.056 --> 01:36:11.936 I have, because I wanted to know what cardboard tastes like, 01:36:11.936 --> 01:36:13.676 so I could use it as a flavor thing. 01:36:13.856 --> 01:36:16.196 A lot of that is a reference to me. Like, you can say it tastes like shit, 01:36:16.236 --> 01:36:18.456 but I've never actually eaten shit. 01:36:18.996 --> 01:36:25.436 I just know what it smells like, and I can sort of transfer that into taste. But... 01:36:27.101 --> 01:36:35.321 A lot of those, you know, aroma is so much of flavor, so you figured that there's a lot of carry-through. 01:36:35.861 --> 01:36:41.501 That's my way of thinking it tastes like, not, oh, it literally tastes like. 01:36:42.061 --> 01:36:44.641 That said, if something does literally taste like something else, 01:36:44.721 --> 01:36:49.061 I'll say it like Play-Doh. Play-Doh is something I've licked. That's gross as hell. 01:36:49.461 --> 01:36:50.221 Elmer's glue. 01:36:50.641 --> 01:36:53.621 Never licked Elmer's glue, but licked Play-Doh. Play-Doh is, 01:36:53.681 --> 01:36:58.701 I think, intentionally gross, so kids don't eat it. But man, is that gross. 01:37:01.081 --> 01:37:04.401 What other things? Like, what about crayons? 01:37:05.761 --> 01:37:10.481 God, I feel like I must have eaten crayons, but I don't think they have much flavor to them. 01:37:10.661 --> 01:37:11.501 No, not really. 01:37:11.741 --> 01:37:13.301 No flavor whatsoever. Just whack. 01:37:13.341 --> 01:37:14.921 All right, I'm going to be super vulnerable here. 01:37:15.021 --> 01:37:16.341 Oh, no, don't do that. 01:37:16.601 --> 01:37:16.941 All right. 01:37:17.381 --> 01:37:21.961 It was probably like second grade, third grade. I'm trying to remember the whole 01:37:21.961 --> 01:37:23.461 scenarios, but I remember it was me. 01:37:23.541 --> 01:37:25.861 You ate your shit. No, it was in school. 01:37:26.901 --> 01:37:31.541 Paste. Like, not wet paste, but dried paste. 01:37:31.641 --> 01:37:34.001 Oh, plenty of kids ate paste. I didn't, but plenty of kids. 01:37:34.041 --> 01:37:37.241 I know, ate paste. And it was me and this girl that sat beside me, Melissa. 01:37:38.321 --> 01:37:45.641 And I forget exactly how it went down. But, like, we were eating the dried paste. 01:37:45.941 --> 01:37:47.901 Had a weird, neat texture to it. 01:37:48.221 --> 01:37:52.741 And then, somehow I got called out in front of the entire class. 01:37:54.541 --> 01:37:58.541 And I'm like, no, it's salt. And then I got shamed for like, 01:37:58.741 --> 01:38:02.021 and then I got shamed because it was like crystal and, you know, hard. 01:38:02.161 --> 01:38:05.581 And I got shamed for like high blood pressure for like, because salt's bad for you. 01:38:05.721 --> 01:38:07.861 Oh my God, you're in second grade. 01:38:08.461 --> 01:38:09.901 I got shamed for eating salt. 01:38:09.921 --> 01:38:12.001 You can eat a pound of salt and it's not going to hurt you. 01:38:12.101 --> 01:38:16.441 I got shamed for eating salt, but it was paste. And I can't remember enough 01:38:16.441 --> 01:38:19.541 details about why I thought it was fun to eat paste or whatnot. 01:38:19.881 --> 01:38:23.341 I'm Ralph Wiggum, I guess. I don't fucking know, but I'm being totally vulnerable here. 01:38:23.341 --> 01:38:25.881 Well, here's the funny thing. The texture thing... 01:38:27.499 --> 01:38:31.959 Those kind of textures are used in food all the time. Why do you think people like panko, right? 01:38:32.259 --> 01:38:38.639 The textural difference, to go back to Adam Raguse, the heterogeneity of food 01:38:38.639 --> 01:38:40.619 makes it more interesting to your palate. 01:38:40.859 --> 01:38:46.979 So that's not like, there are pasty things that people make into food so that 01:38:46.979 --> 01:38:49.459 there's a crunchy part and then there's a soft part. 01:38:49.559 --> 01:38:53.979 And so you have that distinction because everything is soft and gummy and chewy. 01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:58.199 So I want to clarify, I wasn't eating like wet paste. It was the stuff that dried. 01:38:58.459 --> 01:38:59.259 It was a dried paste. 01:38:59.559 --> 01:38:59.699 Yeah. 01:39:00.599 --> 01:39:03.979 Which makes me feel like there are people that eat pico. 01:39:04.359 --> 01:39:08.599 You know pico where people eat like clay? Like there and, 01:39:10.599 --> 01:39:16.179 that's just a you know a thing that people get into like a lot of people have 01:39:16.179 --> 01:39:19.739 issues with textures that's like one of the reasons why they hate like sushi 01:39:19.739 --> 01:39:21.959 or something like that or seafood because of textures. 01:39:22.119 --> 01:39:23.759 I love different textures so 01:39:23.759 --> 01:39:29.119 I'm all about it. So I will never shame somebody for the textural stuff. 01:39:29.999 --> 01:39:32.319 Yeah, because the paste really didn't have much of a flavor. 01:39:32.539 --> 01:39:37.879 It was non-toxic, but the crunch that it had was, I guess, what appealed to me in second grade. 01:39:37.879 --> 01:39:38.859 I think I talked about this before. 01:39:38.859 --> 01:39:45.599 Which is why you like scabs. No, not scabs. I'm talking about cheese scabs. 01:39:45.639 --> 01:39:46.299 Oh, cheese scabs. 01:39:46.639 --> 01:39:47.319 Cheese scabs. 01:39:47.339 --> 01:39:52.119 Yes, I do. Cheese scabs are amazing. I mean, like I want a machine that just makes cheese scabs. 01:39:52.379 --> 01:39:52.599 Oh, me too. 01:39:52.599 --> 01:39:56.499 What are, are those like when you cook cheese and it gets like kind of. 01:39:56.679 --> 01:39:56.779 Yeah. 01:39:57.019 --> 01:40:00.999 It bubbles out all the oil and just gets hard and crunchy and you can kind of chip it off. 01:40:01.019 --> 01:40:03.859 Well, that's like when you make Parmesan crisps, like you put it on a soul pad. 01:40:04.099 --> 01:40:04.459 Yes. 01:40:05.039 --> 01:40:10.139 I think I've told you this story, but when I was older than second grade, 01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:12.519 certainly I was probably in like fifth grade or so, 01:40:13.239 --> 01:40:16.559 I, when I ate potato chips, occasionally I would try to make the, 01:40:16.619 --> 01:40:24.059 I would make with my mouth sound because I wanted to sound like it was on the commercial. 01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:24.759 Right, right, right. 01:40:24.759 --> 01:40:25.859 The big old crunch. 01:40:29.858 --> 01:40:30.578 Fucking advertising. 01:40:30.878 --> 01:40:31.538 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:40:33.318 --> 01:40:35.558 But, yeah. Speak. 01:40:35.958 --> 01:40:37.278 Because it didn't sound like that to me. 01:40:37.278 --> 01:40:38.258 I'm going to have some of this beer. 01:40:38.278 --> 01:40:41.938 Because when I eat it, it sounds like... 01:40:41.938 --> 01:40:44.878 You know, you were just ahead of your time on a podcast, right? 01:40:44.918 --> 01:40:45.078 Yeah. 01:40:45.078 --> 01:40:47.858 Because, like, we should glug when we drink our beers. 01:40:48.238 --> 01:40:49.098 Okay, here we go. 01:40:49.258 --> 01:40:50.878 We're not going to turn this into a mukbang. 01:40:53.218 --> 01:40:54.578 Do you know what a mukbang is? 01:40:54.658 --> 01:40:55.118 I don't. 01:40:55.118 --> 01:40:58.498 It's a korean i think it's korean where 01:40:58.498 --> 01:41:01.818 they they eat in front it's like watch a 01:41:01.818 --> 01:41:06.258 video of somebody eating and and yeah but 01:41:06.258 --> 01:41:09.098 it's like i think it's more of a the social aspect of 01:41:09.098 --> 01:41:11.918 it but it's also that hey it's amazing yeah there's an 01:41:11.918 --> 01:41:15.498 asmr part of it um but yeah 01:41:15.498 --> 01:41:19.178 one of the things like i was talking to to megan and she was like she hates 01:41:19.178 --> 01:41:23.838 a bunch of textures i was like that sucks but also she hates like slurping sounds 01:41:23.838 --> 01:41:27.278 and i was like you can't go to a ramen shop he's like i know because the ramen 01:41:27.278 --> 01:41:33.518 in a ramen shop slurping is considered yeah uh is considered uh to be like, 01:41:34.118 --> 01:41:38.878 a sign of respect for the for the person who is uh doing the ramen because, 01:41:39.958 --> 01:41:45.858 you're that's i don't know it's just japanese japanese are crazy uh but yeah 01:41:45.858 --> 01:41:47.938 slurping is like accepted him. 01:41:48.098 --> 01:41:51.158 Speaking of which, Squid Game, oh, that's Korean. No, it's Korean. 01:41:51.378 --> 01:41:54.358 Squid Game 2, fucking bullshit, man. I hate that show so much. 01:41:54.358 --> 01:41:56.498 Squid Game, the first one was fucking bullshit. 01:41:56.578 --> 01:41:57.918 I hate that show. The second was even more bullshit. 01:41:58.098 --> 01:41:58.338 I hate it. 01:41:58.338 --> 01:42:01.778 They had the end of the season like at the middle mark of the season, 01:42:01.778 --> 01:42:06.978 so now it's like this stupid artificial cliffhanger, and it was too slow. 01:42:07.078 --> 01:42:10.398 Like Stranger Things? Why do people like Stranger Things? I don't get it. 01:42:10.998 --> 01:42:13.958 After the first season of Stranger Things, I was like, this should have been a movie? 01:42:13.978 --> 01:42:16.818 Because they didn't make a better Goonies since Goonies. 01:42:17.298 --> 01:42:18.358 Oh, yeah. 01:42:18.978 --> 01:42:21.198 Yeah. But it wasn't a better Goonies. 01:42:21.298 --> 01:42:24.978 No, they hadn't. But if they hadn't made a better Goonies, then Stranger Things wouldn't have been. 01:42:25.278 --> 01:42:26.298 Wouldn't have existed, yeah. 01:42:28.961 --> 01:42:31.401 Community has a better Goonies in it. And it's not even Goonies. 01:42:31.581 --> 01:42:36.861 It's a diehard. But like, Modern Warfare is a better game. 01:42:36.881 --> 01:42:38.721 It's only like 8.51. 01:42:39.421 --> 01:42:41.941 Well, I still have more to drink of this one. 01:42:42.641 --> 01:42:43.881 Another beer? Not another beer. 01:42:44.061 --> 01:42:45.421 We could if you wanted to. 01:42:45.601 --> 01:42:48.061 Yeah. We could add another one to the show. 01:42:48.401 --> 01:42:48.781 I mean. 01:42:48.861 --> 01:42:49.421 I mean. 01:42:50.021 --> 01:42:53.021 We could switch over to the post show or we could have another beer. 01:42:53.221 --> 01:42:57.021 Our listeners have been jonesing for another episode. 01:42:57.181 --> 01:43:03.121 That's true. So we should, we have been, we have been very lax in terms of giving 01:43:03.121 --> 01:43:07.561 our listeners what they want, what they demand, which is more CDR. So yeah. 01:43:07.741 --> 01:43:09.901 So you've done those 24 hour video games. 01:43:10.161 --> 01:43:10.321 Yeah. 01:43:10.401 --> 01:43:12.941 Could you imagine what like a 24 hour CBR would be like? 01:43:13.281 --> 01:43:14.121 Kind of. 01:43:14.341 --> 01:43:17.061 Oh my God. Would you ever want to try it? It would still be flat on our faces. 01:43:17.181 --> 01:43:20.941 Okay. Let me go find a beer. 01:43:20.941 --> 01:43:28.881 I'm done with the 24-hour game stuff because, you know, it's very similar to, 01:43:28.881 --> 01:43:30.801 you've been on like really long flights. 01:43:30.961 --> 01:43:35.021 Right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I haven't been on international, 01:43:35.161 --> 01:43:38.461 well, only to Canada, if you want to consider that an international flight. 01:43:38.581 --> 01:43:42.881 So like when I went to Japan or when I went to South Korea, these are like 15-hour flights. 01:43:43.801 --> 01:43:49.501 And you get, you know, the first like eight hours or so, you're like, 01:43:49.661 --> 01:43:52.041 okay. And then you're kind of get antsy. Yeah. 01:43:52.881 --> 01:43:56.361 And you're just like, oh, what am I doing? 01:43:56.561 --> 01:43:59.901 And you get that last for a couple hours. And then you're just sort of counting 01:43:59.901 --> 01:44:03.821 down the time because there's a couple hours left. You know there's only a couple hours left. 01:44:04.261 --> 01:44:08.321 And you get kind of more anxious, but also a little bit less. 01:44:09.162 --> 01:44:12.902 less, but, but that middle period is really. 01:44:13.142 --> 01:44:14.542 Is really, I can't imagine. 01:44:14.842 --> 01:44:20.762 I've tried this time. I tried to do it where I was, I tried to not sleep very 01:44:20.762 --> 01:44:22.542 much. So I would be sleepy on the flight. 01:44:23.042 --> 01:44:27.902 That didn't work at all. It just meant I was kept waking up and going to sleep 01:44:27.902 --> 01:44:30.782 and it just made it almost feel longer. 01:44:31.302 --> 01:44:33.322 So I would not recommend that. 01:44:34.302 --> 01:44:38.202 Don't try to be sleep on this, on the flight. anticipating that you'll sleep 01:44:38.202 --> 01:44:41.362 instead because i had lots of entertainment too, 01:44:43.402 --> 01:44:48.602 instead sleep get your rest and enjoy the entertainment you have that's going 01:44:48.602 --> 01:44:50.002 to get you through the flight better. 01:44:50.002 --> 01:44:57.542 I don't know i i took a direct flight from here to seattle one time and that 01:44:57.542 --> 01:45:01.582 was only five and a half hours yeah and that. 01:45:01.582 --> 01:45:02.982 Ain't nothing when i went to tucson all the. 01:45:02.982 --> 01:45:12.742 I i just at four hours i was done i needed to get up i couldn't stand i my legs 01:45:12.742 --> 01:45:17.522 were driving me nuts i needed to get up and walk around i needed to run laps 01:45:17.522 --> 01:45:20.522 you know and you fall into. 01:45:20.522 --> 01:45:23.382 A trance on those across the world flights when. 01:45:23.382 --> 01:45:24.862 I flew to a certain point. 01:45:24.862 --> 01:45:28.262 Time just compressed and you just we're numb so. 01:45:28.262 --> 01:45:32.942 Yeah I mean like getting up and walking around is fine like I would encourage 01:45:32.942 --> 01:45:39.322 you to do that but you can't do that very easily without disturbing 15 people on. 01:45:39.322 --> 01:45:45.922 Well that's one of the reasons why I always choose an aisle seat always uh window 01:45:45.922 --> 01:45:53.242 seats are shit seats I think they're the worst seats aisle seats are far the best seats definitely. 01:45:53.242 --> 01:45:58.242 Middle's the worst seat yeah okay middle's the worst seat but like I was thinking 01:45:58.242 --> 01:45:59.702 between aisle and window. 01:45:59.702 --> 01:46:01.582 You didn't consider middle as an object. 01:46:01.602 --> 01:46:02.202 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:46:03.227 --> 01:46:08.247 Um, and look, the window is this shitty window that you can't, 01:46:08.367 --> 01:46:10.347 that's always, like, faded anyway. 01:46:10.567 --> 01:46:15.927 Well, no, the benefit of the window is you never have to get up unless you want to get up. 01:46:16.327 --> 01:46:16.807 Yes. 01:46:16.847 --> 01:46:17.527 That's the benefit. 01:46:17.527 --> 01:46:19.187 That's why I choose the window. Yes, that's true. 01:46:19.407 --> 01:46:21.847 But I have no problem with getting up and letting somebody go. 01:46:22.007 --> 01:46:23.707 That doesn't bug me at all. 01:46:24.107 --> 01:46:31.747 Having that extra space is just, it's calming to me. 01:46:31.747 --> 01:46:34.967 All right, so we have a choose-your-own-adventure here. 01:46:35.267 --> 01:46:35.747 Oh. 01:46:36.107 --> 01:46:41.387 We have the black raspberry nectar from Redstone Meadery. It's a mead. 01:46:41.747 --> 01:46:47.187 Or we have Anna from Hill Farmstead Brewery, which is a farmstead ale brewed with honey. 01:46:48.047 --> 01:46:49.187 They're both honey. 01:46:49.747 --> 01:46:50.467 They are. 01:46:50.747 --> 01:46:52.607 I didn't do that on purpose. 01:46:52.707 --> 01:46:53.267 Do you want to go with the mead? 01:46:53.427 --> 01:46:59.647 Yeah, I agree. But I need to finish this. I've got a couple more sips. 01:46:59.647 --> 01:47:02.367 Okay, I'll take my time peeling the plastic off. 01:47:02.467 --> 01:47:04.107 So this is Redstone, what's it called? 01:47:04.347 --> 01:47:06.867 Redstone metering. Black raspberry dish. Yep. 01:47:09.307 --> 01:47:12.987 Boulder, you might have been there, Greg, the time you went out the GABF. 01:47:13.627 --> 01:47:15.867 Went out a couple times, at least twice. 01:47:16.047 --> 01:47:20.107 Yeah, so it was up in Boulder. I think we probably went with Basic Brewing Radio, 01:47:20.687 --> 01:47:24.067 but I'm not sure about that. It's this... 01:47:24.567 --> 01:47:27.347 Remember, there was one, I think we went three times. There was one time I was 01:47:27.347 --> 01:47:28.347 sick, like, the whole time. 01:47:29.847 --> 01:47:33.427 Because i was here once before i think you were with me that time but there 01:47:33.427 --> 01:47:36.427 was one time for i gbf i went without you so. 01:47:36.427 --> 01:47:42.287 Yeah that was true but okay so hasn't changed at all since we were there really 01:47:42.287 --> 01:47:51.927 um this is their first mead first release in june 2001 uh it's still the most popular, 01:47:55.647 --> 01:48:03.547 the alcohol content is 8% the honey is 5 parts clover 1 part wildflower and, 01:48:05.047 --> 01:48:08.447 the mead style for those who know what this means is mellow mellow, 01:48:12.662 --> 01:48:14.262 The color is this, like, 01:48:16.322 --> 01:48:24.002 kind of like a rosy color with a little bit of a reddish sort of tint to it, in addition. 01:48:27.382 --> 01:48:33.402 Not getting a whole lot of aroma, but I'm going to let it sit a bit because it's pretty cold. 01:48:33.602 --> 01:48:39.882 You know, they have three tiers of mead there. They have the Nectars, 01:48:40.042 --> 01:48:42.842 which is this, which is kind of the lowest alcohol. 01:48:42.962 --> 01:48:45.222 Then they have the Mountain Honey ones, which are a little bit higher, 01:48:45.422 --> 01:48:48.142 a little bit more fruit forward. 01:48:48.642 --> 01:48:51.122 You know, like the fruit's more intense compared to the honey. 01:48:51.422 --> 01:48:55.102 And then they have the Reserve, which we actually have a bottle sitting out 01:48:55.102 --> 01:48:56.662 on the whiskey bar over there. 01:48:56.702 --> 01:48:57.042 We do. 01:48:57.162 --> 01:49:00.122 One thing I love is that's a bottle you keep because it has a stopper on it. 01:49:00.222 --> 01:49:00.822 It does. 01:49:01.022 --> 01:49:02.542 It's nice. And you can use it. 01:49:02.562 --> 01:49:03.082 It's cobalt blue, too. 01:49:03.402 --> 01:49:10.182 The cobalt blue. Yeah. Yeah, so it's a great bottle in addition to getting this 01:49:10.182 --> 01:49:12.402 stuff. A bottle you can use for a whole bunch of stuff. 01:49:12.642 --> 01:49:17.702 Use that for olive oil. Use that for a bunch of things that you could possibly make. 01:49:20.062 --> 01:49:27.342 Although we just got a, I just purchased from Amazon a bottle to put the olive oil in. 01:49:27.462 --> 01:49:30.062 That's a spritzer and a pourer. 01:49:30.422 --> 01:49:33.782 It's really nice. You should get an oil spritzer if you don't have one. 01:49:33.922 --> 01:49:34.322 I have one. 01:49:34.322 --> 01:49:36.242 But this is a two-in-one, which is... 01:49:36.242 --> 01:49:38.762 I don't have a two-in-one. I have one that you pump up and you spritz. 01:49:38.762 --> 01:49:43.122 It feels like the syrup dispensers at a restaurant. You know, 01:49:43.162 --> 01:49:46.722 that's kind of what it's shaped like. I'll grab it. But it also has a spritzer on top. 01:49:47.682 --> 01:49:48.882 Interesting. Do you pump it? 01:49:49.462 --> 01:49:51.922 No, you just press it. It's almost like a squirt gun. 01:49:52.042 --> 01:49:52.322 Oh. 01:49:53.822 --> 01:49:54.882 Oh, okay. 01:49:55.062 --> 01:49:56.062 Yeah, oh, interesting. 01:49:56.062 --> 01:49:56.322 Interesting. 01:49:58.097 --> 01:50:03.957 Yeah, it does. Yes, it's like those Sierra things, but I guess you just spray it a little bit. 01:50:04.817 --> 01:50:06.057 Did you spray it a little bit? 01:50:06.597 --> 01:50:08.237 I didn't. So you can pour it. 01:50:08.337 --> 01:50:12.297 To pour it, you see the little latch on top? There's a little latch on the top. 01:50:12.377 --> 01:50:13.737 Oh, I see. 01:50:14.817 --> 01:50:19.777 Okay, so there's a latch that opens up the spraying thing and then there's... 01:50:19.777 --> 01:50:20.737 Well, the latch is for pouring. 01:50:20.737 --> 01:50:21.357 That's for pouring. 01:50:21.417 --> 01:50:23.077 It always pours. It always pours. 01:50:23.097 --> 01:50:25.497 But if you press down the button... 01:50:25.497 --> 01:50:26.117 You're going to spray. 01:50:26.117 --> 01:50:31.977 It's going to spray, but it looks like, yeah. You go to a Waffle House and have a syrup container. 01:50:32.297 --> 01:50:36.957 It looks exactly like a Waffle House syrup, which would make you think that 01:50:36.957 --> 01:50:39.417 this would pop the top up so you could pour. 01:50:39.857 --> 01:50:41.297 But no, it sprays. 01:50:41.317 --> 01:50:49.017 But if you want to roast some broccoli, like tossing broccoli in olive oil just sucks, right? 01:50:49.137 --> 01:50:52.677 Using this to top the broccoli with some oil is great. 01:50:53.177 --> 01:50:57.377 You chose broccoli as the example over asparagus? 01:50:58.177 --> 01:51:01.797 Well, I don't roast asparagus. I cook it in the pan. 01:51:02.157 --> 01:51:07.557 Oh, that's true. I like to roast asparagus. So I like to spritz it with olive oil. 01:51:08.897 --> 01:51:14.237 It's a weird, like, argument about how to prepare asparagus. 01:51:14.417 --> 01:51:17.497 How to prepare different versions of... 01:51:17.497 --> 01:51:19.817 I prefer asparagus in the cast iron. 01:51:19.997 --> 01:51:20.897 Different brassica. 01:51:21.077 --> 01:51:23.117 Yeah, and I've always made it in the oven. 01:51:24.157 --> 01:51:27.417 Asparagus and cauliflower, those are all brassica, right? 01:51:28.377 --> 01:51:29.417 I assume. 01:51:29.837 --> 01:51:30.217 Are what? 01:51:30.697 --> 01:51:31.217 Cabbage. 01:51:31.457 --> 01:51:31.637 Oh. 01:51:31.637 --> 01:51:32.157 They're all cabbages. 01:51:32.497 --> 01:51:33.197 I don't know. 01:51:34.037 --> 01:51:40.637 I know like Brussels sprouts and broccoli and cauliflower. And those are all cabbages. 01:51:42.097 --> 01:51:46.757 All brassica. I don't know about asparagus, but I feel like asparagus is probably. 01:51:47.017 --> 01:51:48.997 It probably falls into the same category. 01:51:49.177 --> 01:51:52.737 It's a more, it's a shoot kind of plant, I think. Whatever that falls into. 01:51:53.237 --> 01:51:55.877 I think it's probably different. But no. 01:51:56.617 --> 01:51:58.297 When I want to like... 01:51:58.297 --> 01:52:01.577 No, it's not. Okay, Bresca is not. Asparagus is not. 01:52:12.719 --> 01:52:13.539 A lot of things are. 01:52:14.359 --> 01:52:21.179 Gotcha. Anyway, get an oil spritzer. Pump it or this kind. 01:52:24.039 --> 01:52:27.779 It definitely better. That's cool. 01:52:27.959 --> 01:52:28.299 Yeah, I like that. 01:52:28.299 --> 01:52:28.939 I used to use. 01:52:28.939 --> 01:52:30.259 The thing I have, you have to pump. 01:52:30.779 --> 01:52:31.099 Yeah. 01:52:31.239 --> 01:52:32.059 And then spray. 01:52:32.059 --> 01:52:36.059 I used to use like a restaurant, like a ketchup bottle, like the mustard bottle, 01:52:36.139 --> 01:52:40.039 you know, with a little conical thing you squeeze. I used to use that for oil. 01:52:41.039 --> 01:52:47.759 But being able to aerosolize it, atomize it, I guess, and use this saves you 01:52:47.759 --> 01:52:48.959 from the times you have to toss it. 01:52:48.959 --> 01:52:51.699 The only thing I worry about that is some of the cheaper stuff you get from 01:52:51.699 --> 01:52:55.699 Amazon, like, after a couple months, they stop working. But again, 01:52:55.799 --> 01:52:56.579 if it's cheap, who cares? 01:52:57.219 --> 01:53:00.479 Yeah, it was like $12, and we've had it for four months. 01:53:02.059 --> 01:53:06.659 So brassica is like broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, brussel spouts, 01:53:09.059 --> 01:53:11.079 collard greens, kale turnips. 01:53:15.659 --> 01:53:21.699 Whole bunch of stuff is just brassica a whole bunch of leafy greens are brassica. 01:53:24.639 --> 01:53:28.979 Excuse me but that's like I was thinking about this because we had talked about 01:53:28.979 --> 01:53:31.139 this before culinary versus, 01:53:34.019 --> 01:53:38.979 versus biological, right? So like, and I was thinking about this in the context 01:53:38.979 --> 01:53:41.239 of our fish conversation. Like, 01:53:43.519 --> 01:53:45.799 culinarily, strawberries are berries. 01:53:48.699 --> 01:53:55.279 Biologically, they're not. Culinary, like, from a biological standpoint, eggplants are berries. 01:53:55.539 --> 01:53:58.679 Tomatoes are berries. Melons are berries. 01:53:59.579 --> 01:54:05.499 So that's about a specific way that an ovary on a plant turns into its fruit. 01:54:06.019 --> 01:54:10.219 And so, but culinarily, a berry is a different thing. 01:54:11.219 --> 01:54:15.899 Biologically, the whole fish thing is about what's your biological origin? 01:54:16.239 --> 01:54:21.579 Biologically, your fish, like from a practical standpoint, you're nothing like a fish. 01:54:21.579 --> 01:54:25.779 but from a biological standpoint you're 01:54:25.779 --> 01:54:28.599 not just you're a vertebrate you're a 01:54:28.599 --> 01:54:32.139 jawed fish you're a bony jawed fish you 01:54:32.139 --> 01:54:35.139 know you have jaws so you have to you're a vertebrate 01:54:35.139 --> 01:54:38.839 so you have to be something along those lines involved in the water you're you 01:54:38.839 --> 01:54:44.639 have jaws you have to be a type of fish that's where jaws evolved right like 01:54:44.639 --> 01:54:51.899 you're still you still are that but from a practical standpoint point you're 01:54:51.899 --> 01:54:54.099 a very different thing than what you would call a fish. 01:54:57.037 --> 01:54:57.437 Yes. 01:55:00.257 --> 01:55:03.977 I was thinking about, wow, Jaws only evolved once. 01:55:04.677 --> 01:55:04.857 Yeah. 01:55:05.297 --> 01:55:06.677 Like, huh. 01:55:07.977 --> 01:55:11.637 Well, it's, you know, if you think about the other mouth configuration. 01:55:11.977 --> 01:55:16.637 Like Lampard. Three times, but Jaws have evolved four times. Jaws have evolved once. 01:55:16.657 --> 01:55:17.697 You're not thinking about pterosaurs. 01:55:19.837 --> 01:55:22.157 Jaws have evolved once. 01:55:23.137 --> 01:55:29.057 Pterosaurs were not dinosaurs. They were lizards. their esquemata um. 01:55:31.317 --> 01:55:33.677 Okay Shannon we're gonna lose Shannon if we keep this oh. 01:55:33.677 --> 01:55:35.437 No I've already tasted the beer or. 01:55:35.437 --> 01:55:41.657 The mead and I've already formed my opinion so and give us your opinion raspberry 01:55:41.657 --> 01:55:45.697 jolly rancher it smells so good it has such a floral. 01:55:47.057 --> 01:55:49.757 Raspberry I think more strawberry jolly rancher. 01:55:50.337 --> 01:55:51.457 Have you tasted it. 01:55:51.457 --> 01:55:52.617 Yeah I'm tasting it right now. 01:55:52.617 --> 01:55:55.817 And you think strawberry more than raspberry? 01:55:55.937 --> 01:55:59.057 It is sweeter. It doesn't have the tang that I expected. 01:55:59.117 --> 01:56:03.677 I mean, it is. No, you're right about the sweetness. You're right about that. 01:56:04.437 --> 01:56:05.337 See, I don't. 01:56:05.457 --> 01:56:06.337 Like strawberry and apple. 01:56:06.917 --> 01:56:07.797 See, I can't go. 01:56:07.797 --> 01:56:11.497 But apple gets kind of tangy, too, and there's not a whole lot of tang here. 01:56:11.557 --> 01:56:15.117 I can't go Jolly Rancher. There's a, like, I'm closer to. No, 01:56:15.117 --> 01:56:16.317 I'm just thinking of the Jolly Rancher spectrum. 01:56:16.497 --> 01:56:17.577 I agree that it's not. 01:56:17.777 --> 01:56:21.997 I'm closer to, like, a raspberry vinaigrette, actually. Like, because there's a tart. 01:56:22.517 --> 01:56:23.217 Oh, vinaigrette? 01:56:23.697 --> 01:56:28.557 So it's not cloyingly sweet. The honey has a liveness to it. 01:56:28.677 --> 01:56:32.717 It has a down note with the blackberry flavoring. 01:56:32.837 --> 01:56:35.697 I would expect a raspberry vinaigrette to have a bit more tartness here. 01:56:36.317 --> 01:56:40.477 Because if I'm looking for a vinaigrette, I want it to cut with a lot of acid. 01:56:40.557 --> 01:56:42.037 There's not a lot of acid here. 01:56:42.337 --> 01:56:42.497 Sure. 01:56:42.597 --> 01:56:46.037 That's what's also hurting me in terms of the Jolly Ranch description. 01:56:46.277 --> 01:56:46.417 Yeah. 01:56:46.417 --> 01:56:47.777 I'm not getting a whole lot of acid. 01:56:47.777 --> 01:56:48.057 No. 01:56:50.297 --> 01:56:55.297 It's, um... Oh... You guys were describing something earlier. 01:56:59.711 --> 01:57:02.731 Oh, it's got that honey. 01:57:06.151 --> 01:57:07.131 Well, it is mead. 01:57:07.851 --> 01:57:09.031 It is mead. 01:57:09.411 --> 01:57:11.871 It does feel like there's a little carbonation here. 01:57:12.891 --> 01:57:15.171 It fades very quickly, though. Yeah. 01:57:16.231 --> 01:57:17.991 Kind of like kombucha-like. 01:57:18.191 --> 01:57:19.631 Yeah. Kombucha. 01:57:20.051 --> 01:57:25.911 Oh, what is that flavor? Because it's really distinct. It's not... 01:57:25.911 --> 01:57:28.251 The clover's coming. I mean, there's a clover-y note to you. 01:57:28.251 --> 01:57:29.751 Yes, yes, yes. 01:57:30.711 --> 01:57:31.891 Now I've got to taste again. 01:57:32.271 --> 01:57:36.271 Like the clover comes across as, I don't know, clover, man, whatever. 01:57:36.811 --> 01:57:39.811 Yeah, who eats clover is no one, but you smell them. 01:57:40.491 --> 01:57:42.451 I mean, you put them in your hand. 01:57:43.271 --> 01:57:44.791 Yeah, and you smell. 01:57:45.091 --> 01:57:46.511 Cloves and clover are different. 01:57:46.871 --> 01:57:49.571 Oh, sorry. I was thinking of cloves. 01:57:51.151 --> 01:57:53.111 Clover, like the field of white flowers. 01:57:53.331 --> 01:57:59.831 Got it. I got it. Now that makes more sense because I'm not finding a clove flavor in here at all. 01:58:03.491 --> 01:58:06.391 It just tastes like a delicious honey. 01:58:08.461 --> 01:58:13.241 Have you ever bought those little sticks of honey? 01:58:14.821 --> 01:58:15.681 No, I haven't. 01:58:16.241 --> 01:58:20.181 No? Oh, next time I come across some, I'm going to buy some. 01:58:21.461 --> 01:58:23.781 Specifically for the show, so that you can taste them. 01:58:23.921 --> 01:58:28.661 I would love to. I'm trying to pin down the flavor here, and I agree the clover's 01:58:28.661 --> 01:58:32.061 there, but I feel like there's something else. 01:58:32.061 --> 01:58:32.301 Honeysuckle. 01:58:33.861 --> 01:58:36.721 Another one that's like overly sweet to me. 01:58:37.301 --> 01:58:38.161 I don't. 01:58:39.001 --> 01:58:42.121 I don't know if I've ever actually tasted it. I've certainly smelled it. 01:58:42.381 --> 01:58:42.821 Yeah. 01:58:43.541 --> 01:58:46.441 When I was a kid, I remember just saying I'm putting it under your chin, 01:58:46.441 --> 01:58:48.961 and if it reflected light, you were. 01:58:49.081 --> 01:58:49.301 What? 01:58:49.581 --> 01:58:50.601 That's a buttercup. 01:58:50.821 --> 01:58:52.461 What? Okay, buttercup. 01:58:53.241 --> 01:58:57.701 I don't know anything about buttercups. Except, yeah. 01:58:59.241 --> 01:59:01.981 Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Yeah. 01:59:07.941 --> 01:59:11.901 Yeah, but I'm trying to place that flavor and there isn't really a good. 01:59:12.921 --> 01:59:17.961 It's hard. There's a lot of stuff. I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on, 01:59:18.041 --> 01:59:22.601 but there's not because it's so distinct that it doesn't give you. 01:59:22.621 --> 01:59:23.001 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:59:23.341 --> 01:59:24.561 That's some crystallized honey. 01:59:25.181 --> 01:59:29.021 Okay. Jeff, give me a spoon with some crystallized. So what kind of honey is this? 01:59:29.161 --> 01:59:32.681 Is this from Craig's place? Yeah, I don't know what kind of honey is. 01:59:32.761 --> 01:59:33.861 Oh, so this is Anvil honey? 01:59:34.541 --> 01:59:40.661 Yeah. Yeah, so it's Anvil honey. it's not crystallized on purpose it just crystallized, 01:59:46.221 --> 01:59:46.661 thanks. 01:59:46.661 --> 01:59:47.961 That is orange to it. 01:59:47.961 --> 01:59:52.081 It's yeah it's local orange peel it's local. 01:59:52.081 --> 01:59:57.281 Honey there's no suck but it could be art i mean that's what i taste is i tasted 01:59:57.281 --> 01:59:59.001 like the first thing i got was like orange. 01:59:59.241 --> 01:59:59.681 Orange pale. 02:00:08.667 --> 02:00:09.727 Let's taste that clover. 02:00:09.887 --> 02:00:13.127 Honey. Now I'm going to taste the meat again. 02:00:18.307 --> 02:00:24.467 There's definitely a similar thing going on, but there's a different taste. There's a different... 02:00:25.507 --> 02:00:31.167 This has a sweeter... You said strawberry? I think you were right about that. 02:00:33.367 --> 02:00:36.807 I do taste... It's sweeter like strawberry. 02:00:37.347 --> 02:00:39.707 It doesn't have the raspberry, like, kick. 02:00:41.607 --> 02:00:43.967 Raspberry is more tart than strawberry is. 02:00:44.007 --> 02:00:44.187 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 02:00:44.307 --> 02:00:46.547 And this is definitely sweet. 02:00:46.547 --> 02:00:51.547 So going from the honey spoon to the mead, the mead is more minerally. 02:00:51.687 --> 02:00:54.767 There's like a limestone-y thing going on there. It's more... 02:00:54.767 --> 02:00:56.547 Yeah, yeah, that's a good call. 02:00:56.607 --> 02:00:59.907 More gypsum or something like that. It's way more minerally than the honey was. 02:01:01.687 --> 02:01:02.187 Yeah. 02:01:04.267 --> 02:01:12.647 But also as yeah more of a pretty berry-ish flavor whereas i was getting yeah 02:01:12.647 --> 02:01:17.767 like like i said like citrus more citrus notes from um the other one but not 02:01:17.767 --> 02:01:21.927 like acidic citrus notes like floral citrus for. 02:01:21.927 --> 02:01:27.667 Sure there's neat how the honey made the the dryness come across like it helped 02:01:27.667 --> 02:01:29.507 focus the dryness as minerality. 02:01:33.087 --> 02:01:36.027 Do you want to get on to ranking and we can go watch the shoots? 02:01:36.027 --> 02:01:38.487 Oh, let's rank. I don't know. 02:01:40.007 --> 02:01:41.087 I mean, we don't have to. 02:01:41.087 --> 02:01:42.347 These are such great ones. 02:01:42.427 --> 02:01:45.907 We definitely don't have to, but it is our shtick. They're... 02:01:48.807 --> 02:01:52.607 there's no shitty beer here. 02:01:52.947 --> 02:01:54.927 No. No, not at all. 02:01:55.107 --> 02:01:58.487 There are beers that are not as good as the others, but there is no shitty beer. 02:02:00.087 --> 02:02:01.067 Not even close. 02:02:04.087 --> 02:02:09.267 No, this was, like, one of the best lineups in, like, CBR history. 02:02:09.927 --> 02:02:11.487 This is a fantastic line. 02:02:11.607 --> 02:02:14.167 Damn. I don't even know. I don't know. 02:02:14.487 --> 02:02:15.967 And varied, which was really neat. 02:02:15.967 --> 02:02:19.287 And do we have to put the mead in there in the ranking? 02:02:19.507 --> 02:02:21.867 We don't have to do anything. We don't have to do anything. 02:02:21.907 --> 02:02:25.207 I don't want to because it's going to mess up the ranking of. 02:02:25.207 --> 02:02:30.247 The— I don't know if I can rank. I think I just want to talk about what I like about each beer. 02:02:31.107 --> 02:02:32.887 Do that then. Let's change it up. 02:02:32.887 --> 02:02:37.487 Let's do this. Let's change it up. Let's not rank, but we still got to do Marry, Fuck, Kill. Okay? 02:02:37.787 --> 02:02:39.407 That's a compromise. That's a compromise. 02:02:39.607 --> 02:02:40.187 That's easier. 02:02:40.247 --> 02:02:40.547 All right. 02:02:40.587 --> 02:02:44.207 All right. So let's talk about the beers in order, I guess. 02:02:44.327 --> 02:02:44.767 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 02:02:44.767 --> 02:02:49.487 Let's talk about the Aurora Nectarone Fresh to Death. 02:02:50.007 --> 02:02:56.207 This was the hazy IPA that was a little bit aged, but still had a good body to it. 02:02:56.307 --> 02:02:58.687 No, it's called a fresh death. It's probably best fresh. 02:02:59.307 --> 02:03:05.767 Yes. Fresh to death. Picked that up back in September. 02:03:06.867 --> 02:03:08.167 So a little bit of age on it. 02:03:10.027 --> 02:03:12.147 I don't know what else. Someone else say something. 02:03:12.487 --> 02:03:19.047 It was good. It had lots of brightness to it. It was not an overwhelming IPA. 02:03:19.767 --> 02:03:22.547 It didn't feel silly to me is the best way I can say it. 02:03:22.547 --> 02:03:25.047 I think it lost a lot of its... 02:03:26.887 --> 02:03:27.407 Dynamicism? 02:03:27.567 --> 02:03:29.707 Yeah. Brightness. 02:03:30.227 --> 02:03:37.447 That's the word I was looking for was brightness. And I really do believe that 02:03:37.447 --> 02:03:43.047 if we would have had this on the show in October or November even, 02:03:43.047 --> 02:03:47.587 Even it would have been significantly better. Um, 02:03:49.759 --> 02:03:53.819 To be honest, this was at the bottom of my rank list, which is disappointing 02:03:53.819 --> 02:03:55.779 because this was a great brewery. 02:03:56.219 --> 02:04:02.399 And it was, yeah. So I think it's just because it sat in the fridge for six months. 02:04:02.399 --> 02:04:05.819 Yeah, I don't think it would be at the bottom of my list, but I do think that 02:04:05.819 --> 02:04:09.459 fresh, it would have been even more impressive and it would have been, 02:04:09.699 --> 02:04:13.179 like, the brightness would have been sort of a standout. 02:04:13.319 --> 02:04:15.499 I liked how it wasn't, like I said, silly. 02:04:15.679 --> 02:04:20.459 It wasn't an overwhelming, like, blech. 02:04:21.019 --> 02:04:21.459 No. 02:04:21.739 --> 02:04:25.859 A throw up of which a lot of N-E-I-P-A's can be. 02:04:26.639 --> 02:04:31.619 When I, just to be clear, can I say that when I say it's the bottom of my list, 02:04:31.839 --> 02:04:34.379 we have a lineup of amazing beers. 02:04:35.619 --> 02:04:37.499 Absolutely, yeah. There's no, there's no. 02:04:37.519 --> 02:04:39.939 There wasn't a single bad one here. 02:04:40.139 --> 02:04:41.159 Yeah, a kill's going to be hard. 02:04:41.379 --> 02:04:42.399 Yeah, so. 02:04:42.619 --> 02:04:46.239 I know what my kill is, but it's not like, it's not an easy kill. 02:04:46.439 --> 02:04:53.959 Yeah. All right. So then we had the Wild Riot. This is the blend from Strange Bird and Prison City. 02:04:54.159 --> 02:04:58.199 This had an amazing blend of different kinds of sours in it. 02:04:58.319 --> 02:05:00.459 And then the IPA, like, hazy IPA. 02:05:00.459 --> 02:05:07.179 This had the breadiness, but I was really impressed with how it was blended and constructed. 02:05:07.179 --> 02:05:13.119 Because it had that brightness to kind of counteract the big breadiness that you would get. 02:05:13.119 --> 02:05:21.319 So you still get those red notes, but you've got that brightness that helped 02:05:21.319 --> 02:05:26.839 contrast it and helped make it more of a drinkable and quaffable beer. 02:05:26.999 --> 02:05:29.179 I've never had a beer of this style. 02:05:29.399 --> 02:05:32.459 Yeah, no, that's really neat. Exactly why I love it. 02:05:33.139 --> 02:05:39.119 I mean, this is a new style, a sour New England whatever. 02:05:40.099 --> 02:05:43.059 A bright sour, not like a tart sour. never. 02:05:43.059 --> 02:05:44.639 Had a beer of this style before. 02:05:44.639 --> 02:05:45.339 This was. 02:05:45.339 --> 02:05:50.179 Unique it's interesting because as we're talking about all this I'm going I 02:05:50.179 --> 02:05:52.199 don't know which one I'd want to marry though. 02:05:52.719 --> 02:05:53.779 I don't know either yet. 02:05:53.779 --> 02:05:56.519 Like I would truly fuck any of them. 02:05:57.839 --> 02:05:58.499 But I'm. 02:05:58.499 --> 02:05:59.739 Not sure I would want to. 02:05:59.739 --> 02:06:02.759 Marry any of them I think I know which one I want to fuck I don't know which 02:06:02.759 --> 02:06:10.039 one I want to marry yet I definitely know which one I want to kill but it's a hard luck loser kill my. 02:06:10.039 --> 02:06:13.479 Marry is Yeah, okay, so now let's go on. 02:06:13.499 --> 02:06:16.619 Well, are we going to continue talking about them, or are we just going to go 02:06:16.619 --> 02:06:17.499 straight to the very much? 02:06:17.519 --> 02:06:21.719 No, let's talk to the next beer. Whispers of Love from Purpose Breuk. 02:06:22.139 --> 02:06:24.139 This had that— Happy Valentine's Day. 02:06:24.279 --> 02:06:28.519 This is the one where we talked about grape nuts, and then had the kind of raspberry thing going on. 02:06:30.303 --> 02:06:34.943 This one was an interesting beer. To me, the most noteworthy thing about this 02:06:34.943 --> 02:06:39.863 was how it tasted so much like wort, but not like an under-attenuated beer. 02:06:39.883 --> 02:06:45.363 Yeah, yeah. And there was that sourness of a lot of sourness still coming through, 02:06:45.483 --> 02:06:51.663 even though it was a second running, that really helped to cut that. 02:06:51.823 --> 02:06:55.943 So was it sourness or was it just tart raspberries? 02:06:56.303 --> 02:06:56.763 No. 02:06:56.963 --> 02:06:58.803 It was a sourness, as I remember. 02:06:59.103 --> 02:07:05.643 Yeah. Yeah, I specifically noted that in here. The sour bursting with sour. 02:07:06.223 --> 02:07:13.303 Yeah, it was a lot of sour. Yeah, yeah. Like you felt like a little bit of that. 02:07:13.303 --> 02:07:13.723 All right. 02:07:13.823 --> 02:07:20.103 I mean, it wasn't one of those, it wasn't a tart sour. I mean, 02:07:20.363 --> 02:07:21.823 tart and sour go together, right? 02:07:21.943 --> 02:07:28.863 But it wasn't one of those like, oh my God, bite you type of sour. 02:07:29.463 --> 02:07:35.643 No, I didn't feel like it was. I just thought it was a bursting flavor for all. Okay. 02:07:36.163 --> 02:07:37.123 Blushing Mirage. 02:07:37.323 --> 02:07:39.683 This was the sumac. This was the one that had that. 02:07:39.683 --> 02:07:40.223 That's the Chardonnay. 02:07:40.223 --> 02:07:42.063 This is the one that had that like water. 02:07:42.203 --> 02:07:44.563 That mouth watery thing and that Chardonnay. 02:07:44.723 --> 02:07:45.043 Yeah, yeah. 02:07:45.483 --> 02:07:49.363 Interesting that it looks like a wine bottle, a mini wine bottle. 02:07:49.563 --> 02:07:51.503 I didn't notice that until just now. 02:07:53.913 --> 02:07:59.933 You know, just revisiting all these, I've made my decision on what, 02:08:00.013 --> 02:08:02.733 like, the outstanding beer of tonight was. 02:08:03.053 --> 02:08:07.273 This was really interesting, because it combined a lot of different things into 02:08:07.273 --> 02:08:11.713 one beer that was, like, that was really a really interesting drinker. 02:08:11.833 --> 02:08:18.913 I think we mentioned before that, like, the second one, the Wild Ale, was, like... 02:08:19.573 --> 02:08:20.773 Never had that style before. 02:08:21.013 --> 02:08:25.693 Never had that style before, but also wouldn't... drink a second one at a book, right? 02:08:25.973 --> 02:08:30.813 Like, have it, have a four-pack and do that over a year. This one, 02:08:30.893 --> 02:08:31.773 I might have a second one. 02:08:31.933 --> 02:08:36.533 Oh, yeah. This one's, I've never had a meat beer like this before. 02:08:36.673 --> 02:08:36.953 Yeah, yeah. 02:08:38.073 --> 02:08:40.093 And I want more of this one. 02:08:40.213 --> 02:08:43.653 Yeah, yeah. I'm with you. That was it. That was it. 02:08:43.673 --> 02:08:43.773 That was it. 02:08:43.973 --> 02:08:48.133 What we were doing, so I don't want to rank because they're too close together, 02:08:48.133 --> 02:08:50.413 but I think this one's my top beer of the night. 02:08:50.893 --> 02:08:51.293 Okay. 02:08:51.913 --> 02:08:52.953 Well, you just rank it. 02:08:53.333 --> 02:08:58.533 Oh, no, I can't rank the rest, but this is my top beer of the night. This one was... 02:08:59.073 --> 02:09:00.173 Are you going to marry it? 02:09:00.353 --> 02:09:02.213 Sure something. No, my marry is going to be different. 02:09:02.493 --> 02:09:02.973 Oh, okay. 02:09:04.013 --> 02:09:08.133 All right. And then we went on to the Jackie O's and Dancing No. 02:09:08.133 --> 02:09:13.413 This was the barley wine. This was a very good barley wine, a barley wine that 02:09:13.413 --> 02:09:20.353 I enjoyed, which is not usual for a lot of barley wines, or at least I enjoyed 02:09:20.353 --> 02:09:22.193 it more than most barley wines. Let me put it that way. 02:09:23.053 --> 02:09:26.893 Still ended the barley wine way that I sort of expect was sort of that thinness, 02:09:27.213 --> 02:09:34.913 which is why probably not unexpectedly it's, you know, my kill of the list. 02:09:36.033 --> 02:09:39.353 Again, not because it like deserves to be killed. 02:09:39.853 --> 02:09:45.033 It's not a bad beer in any sense of the word. It's just if for my palate, 02:09:45.033 --> 02:09:47.673 this is the one that doesn't stand up. 02:09:48.273 --> 02:09:56.013 But I think really tasty had a lot going for it. Just not a style I love. 02:09:56.373 --> 02:09:58.313 Yeah, for this one, it... 02:09:59.996 --> 02:10:03.136 had some neat things going on to in it for me the 02:10:03.136 --> 02:10:06.196 the bourbon treatment or the the whiskey treatment the 02:10:06.196 --> 02:10:14.076 rye the russell's came across really nice um i would have liked a little more 02:10:14.076 --> 02:10:17.576 something in like the three quarters taste for it you know that's where it kind 02:10:17.576 --> 02:10:23.756 of dried out and kind of got kind of flat um there's other things i'm forgetting about right the. 02:10:23.756 --> 02:10:27.516 Bourbon it was very bourbony. 02:10:27.516 --> 02:10:36.356 Yeah which is why old fashioned bourbon the next one was running up right against it. 02:10:36.356 --> 02:10:39.376 Yeah so the victory is dark. 02:10:40.476 --> 02:10:51.056 There was that to me kind of accurate note that was not what I really want out of Imperial Stout. 02:10:51.056 --> 02:10:55.256 I want more booze and Imperial Stout. 02:10:55.396 --> 02:11:00.136 I want more barrel and a barrel-aged Imperial Stout. This one was restrained in both of those. 02:11:00.676 --> 02:11:02.016 And very hoppy. 02:11:02.316 --> 02:11:06.156 And then hoppiness, yeah. But that's what you get when you get Storm King is 02:11:06.156 --> 02:11:07.336 you get the hoppy Imperial Stout. 02:11:07.576 --> 02:11:14.556 I was hoping for more out of both of those dimensions. I wanted something more oaky and boozy. 02:11:15.936 --> 02:11:23.756 And this one was just like Storm King with a highlighter. You know, like... 02:11:24.236 --> 02:11:25.776 So I was hoping for more out of it. 02:11:29.496 --> 02:11:30.756 I like the label. 02:11:33.476 --> 02:11:36.876 There was that bourbon-ness, there was that bourbon fudge thing that I noticed, 02:11:36.896 --> 02:11:38.776 which was really, you know, appealing. 02:11:39.176 --> 02:11:43.716 And we ended smooth. We ended with a really smooth, in fact, yeah, yeah. 02:11:43.796 --> 02:11:44.156 For sure. 02:11:44.296 --> 02:11:44.556 Yeah. 02:11:45.696 --> 02:11:48.276 With this nectar, which is delicious. 02:11:52.256 --> 02:11:55.896 Not overpowering in terms of flavor, but really delicious, really smooth, 02:11:56.076 --> 02:11:59.096 really nice drinker, and a great bottle. 02:12:00.416 --> 02:12:01.136 For sure. 02:12:03.596 --> 02:12:06.356 Gosh, I don't know about the Mary Fuck Kill. 02:12:06.516 --> 02:12:11.976 I'll do Mary Fuck Kill first. This Redstone Meadery is my Mary. Like, this is a drinker. 02:12:12.176 --> 02:12:17.836 This, like, if this was on tap or— I forgot that's on the list of Mary Fuck Kill. 02:12:17.856 --> 02:12:23.856 If this was in the fridge, like, and just could get unlimited amounts of this, this is the one. 02:12:24.096 --> 02:12:27.256 That would go so well with liege waffles. 02:12:27.676 --> 02:12:28.276 Oh, yeah. 02:12:29.076 --> 02:12:32.396 Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got liege waffles now. 02:12:37.436 --> 02:12:41.736 My fuck is going to be the Blushing Mirage from Cerebral. 02:12:42.076 --> 02:12:47.056 That one with that sumac and all the other things. 02:12:48.296 --> 02:12:49.976 Beer of the Night, that's my fuck. 02:12:50.396 --> 02:12:50.596 Yeah. 02:12:50.856 --> 02:12:51.476 Kill... 02:12:53.345 --> 02:12:55.565 A kill is going to be... 02:12:55.565 --> 02:12:59.325 One of these two. I know it's so hard to do that. 02:12:59.525 --> 02:13:07.085 Yeah. I'm going to have to kill the victory. It was just a half tone higher 02:13:07.085 --> 02:13:09.865 than Storm King, and I had higher expectations for it. 02:13:10.065 --> 02:13:12.605 I wanted more booze. I wanted more barrel. 02:13:13.545 --> 02:13:17.905 I'm going to agree with you, actually. I'm going to change my kill to victory, 02:13:17.905 --> 02:13:21.005 because now that I think about it, the barley wine, I think, 02:13:21.005 --> 02:13:22.425 was better than the victory. 02:13:23.365 --> 02:13:26.285 was overall even though there was sort of more like 02:13:26.285 --> 02:13:29.185 not a huge problem i mean but i think that overall i like 02:13:29.185 --> 02:13:34.005 that more than the victory uh mary yeah that redstone if i had that on a tap 02:13:34.005 --> 02:13:39.405 i'd love that like you know just i have water uh and i have a tap of that that'd 02:13:39.405 --> 02:13:44.345 be so good to just have because it's not huge it's not ridiculously high in 02:13:44.345 --> 02:13:47.705 alcohol it's great flavor go long thing and And, 02:13:47.845 --> 02:13:55.785 hey, yeah, you can pour it into a pan and simmer it down and get a great glaze for something. 02:13:56.065 --> 02:13:58.065 Oh, God, there's so many uses for this. 02:13:59.225 --> 02:14:04.045 You're really making it hard for me because I'm— Well. 02:14:04.065 --> 02:14:04.405 I'm just saying. 02:14:04.485 --> 02:14:07.365 You tasted like 15 of the redstone meads when we were out there. 02:14:07.365 --> 02:14:12.945 I did, and I loved them. I loved them. I loved the meads. 02:14:12.945 --> 02:14:20.445 In that flight, this one didn't seem as impressive, but with this flight, it elevated, actually. 02:14:21.485 --> 02:14:25.505 Yes. Would I marry it or fuck it? 02:14:25.725 --> 02:14:26.345 Hold on, if I may. 02:14:26.505 --> 02:14:27.365 Oh, yes. 02:14:28.385 --> 02:14:39.285 My fuck is between the Mirage and the Wild Wilder. 02:14:40.775 --> 02:14:41.155 Oh. 02:14:43.135 --> 02:14:46.155 Because, you know, a four-pack, you fuck it four times a year because you're 02:14:46.155 --> 02:14:47.835 like, you know, you come back to it every once in a while. 02:14:48.995 --> 02:14:49.755 Friends of Ben Fitz. 02:14:49.935 --> 02:14:53.095 Yeah, no, because it's strange, right? 02:14:53.195 --> 02:14:59.475 It's got that thing where you're like, you have a little bit of this every once 02:14:59.475 --> 02:15:01.035 in a while. It's got that little... 02:15:01.795 --> 02:15:07.175 So I don't know. Like, I'm teetering between them, but I think the Blushing 02:15:07.175 --> 02:15:08.455 Mirage overall is better. 02:15:08.455 --> 02:15:16.755 uh i i think that it's just more like i i really really respect the wild riot uh and um, 02:15:17.515 --> 02:15:20.635 you know i definitely if i went to the chicken ranch 02:15:20.635 --> 02:15:25.815 uh in reno nevada and i was like okay you had to choose i'd definitely try the 02:15:25.815 --> 02:15:29.375 wild ride at least once and enjoy it uh but i probably would go back to the 02:15:29.375 --> 02:15:33.715 blessing mirage so i don't think that's where your your fuck consideration comes 02:15:33.715 --> 02:15:38.315 and what would it be like the horror you get every once in a while? 02:15:38.575 --> 02:15:39.195 You get one shot. 02:15:39.355 --> 02:15:40.275 Yeah. Yeah. 02:15:40.615 --> 02:15:44.435 So I would guess I'd go with the Blushing Mirage, but it's close. 02:15:44.715 --> 02:15:46.475 I think those two are really close. 02:15:46.615 --> 02:15:46.815 Yeah. 02:15:46.915 --> 02:15:50.355 I think the Blushing Mirage was just a little bit better and didn't have quite 02:15:50.355 --> 02:15:54.415 as many things that you might call off notes as the Wild Ride. 02:15:54.575 --> 02:15:56.315 But I loved how constructed the Wild Ride. 02:15:56.615 --> 02:15:58.855 Yeah. What a show. Go ahead, babe. 02:15:59.115 --> 02:16:00.215 All right. Well. 02:16:00.295 --> 02:16:01.075 You're going to marry me. 02:16:01.075 --> 02:16:04.055 I'm going to. Yeah. I'm going to marry you, babe. every 02:16:04.055 --> 02:16:07.515 day um but i'm going 02:16:07.515 --> 02:16:10.855 to go way off here because i really 02:16:10.855 --> 02:16:15.315 didn't say much about the nectron 02:16:15.315 --> 02:16:22.075 fresh to death but i mean it's an ipa and everybody probably already knows that 02:16:22.075 --> 02:16:32.595 i'm an ipa and if i'm gonna marry something i'm gonna marry this ipa this the aurora nectron because, 02:16:34.935 --> 02:16:40.435 Because normally, if I'm going to marry it, I'm going to be with it like every day, all day, right? 02:16:40.595 --> 02:16:44.015 So it's not going to be six months before I have a taste of it. 02:16:44.515 --> 02:16:49.035 And it's not going to be sitting on the shelf and losing some of its flavor. So I'm going to marry it. 02:16:49.035 --> 02:16:52.455 You hear what she just said, right? So that means I get to have sex like every day. 02:16:52.575 --> 02:16:53.115 Every day, all day? 02:16:53.235 --> 02:16:53.615 All day. 02:16:53.835 --> 02:16:55.115 No, she's talking about a beer. 02:16:55.235 --> 02:16:55.675 Not a beer. 02:16:56.295 --> 02:17:00.515 But married. I mean, I'm married to her. So that means I get to have sex every day. 02:17:00.555 --> 02:17:01.775 All day. Every day, all day. Right. 02:17:01.775 --> 02:17:03.395 I mean, I feel like it was more metaphorical. 02:17:03.395 --> 02:17:05.795 But okay with it. I'm just going to hold her to it. 02:17:05.835 --> 02:17:06.335 It's contract now. 02:17:06.335 --> 02:17:10.355 Let's just move on. It's contractual now. All right, y'all, help me out. 02:17:11.215 --> 02:17:12.155 A tacit agreement. 02:17:13.495 --> 02:17:14.575 So that's my Mary. 02:17:14.635 --> 02:17:18.295 It's a good point. I mean, as far as like hazies go, this guy is. 02:17:18.455 --> 02:17:22.935 Yeah, it really hits it. And I mean, I love this mead. 02:17:24.835 --> 02:17:28.575 I don't know if I would love it all day, every day. You know, 02:17:28.755 --> 02:17:31.635 I think that I would get tired of it. 02:17:34.195 --> 02:17:35.155 Unlike me. 02:17:35.855 --> 02:17:41.055 Right. I never get tired of you, babe. Moving on. I would never. 02:17:43.795 --> 02:17:46.055 Human nature. Human nature. 02:17:47.515 --> 02:17:48.415 Don't give me this. 02:17:48.495 --> 02:17:49.415 You're not going to get tired of something. 02:17:49.535 --> 02:17:56.295 I do love the mead and I would enjoy it. as my side hustle. 02:17:57.595 --> 02:17:59.235 You're guma, you're guma. 02:17:59.475 --> 02:18:07.755 Yeah. So, my fuck, that's really hard, but I'm going to have to go with that 02:18:07.755 --> 02:18:09.855 cerebral, the blushing mirage. 02:18:11.635 --> 02:18:12.675 It's a toss-up. 02:18:12.675 --> 02:18:13.775 We're getting a menagerie quatra here. 02:18:13.955 --> 02:18:21.175 Yeah. It's a toss-up because it's... Look, she's a popular whore. This wild riot is so... 02:18:21.175 --> 02:18:22.035 She earns her money. 02:18:22.135 --> 02:18:25.675 Great. You guys are bad. 02:18:25.955 --> 02:18:26.875 Menage a quattro. 02:18:27.055 --> 02:18:31.835 No, what is, you know, when the pimps have somebody who's like a done... 02:18:32.375 --> 02:18:33.675 I don't know. 02:18:33.975 --> 02:18:34.055 I don't know. 02:18:34.175 --> 02:18:34.475 I don't know. 02:18:34.595 --> 02:18:35.095 I don't know. 02:18:35.375 --> 02:18:35.815 They're a moneymaker. 02:18:36.195 --> 02:18:36.875 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 02:18:36.915 --> 02:18:39.255 I don't know. She does it. 02:18:39.355 --> 02:18:43.315 I mean, she gets the job done. People like her. They come back for her. 02:18:43.515 --> 02:18:45.975 That's me. Yes. They come back. 02:18:46.135 --> 02:18:46.975 All right. What's your kill? 02:18:47.735 --> 02:18:51.515 It's so tough, but I do have it written down, so I'm just going to go with what 02:18:51.515 --> 02:18:59.015 I write down and I'm just I'm sorry I'm gonna have to kill the victory yeah yeah dark, 02:19:00.944 --> 02:19:05.644 Even though I love the label. No, it's hard luck. It wasn't a bad beer. It's a great beer. 02:19:05.924 --> 02:19:09.724 They're all great. That's the thing that makes it so hard. 02:19:09.884 --> 02:19:17.364 But I mean, I ranked them as I was going, and that's the one I have to go with. Sorry. 02:19:17.784 --> 02:19:22.124 Can I? I don't want to end right away, because I don't think we're going to do a post-show. 02:19:22.324 --> 02:19:30.164 So I want to do a very quick thing about a mathy subject. 02:19:30.164 --> 02:19:31.004 Oh, shit. 02:19:31.384 --> 02:19:32.384 But I want to be quick. 02:19:32.404 --> 02:19:32.904 Here we go. 02:19:32.984 --> 02:19:33.364 All right. 02:19:33.704 --> 02:19:34.664 Here we go. 02:19:34.804 --> 02:19:39.864 Into Discord, which is, and I'm not sure it's right, because when I thought 02:19:39.864 --> 02:19:41.944 about it more, I was like, maybe it's not right. 02:19:42.084 --> 02:19:50.564 But we had talked about bases, and we talked about how if something, you know, 02:19:51.704 --> 02:19:57.424 base 10, base 2, base 2 is binary, base 10 is what we use normally. 02:19:57.424 --> 02:20:03.784 I feel like base 12 is the most, it's like the easiest to understand. 02:20:04.964 --> 02:20:09.644 And I won't get into it to do anything. But there's something that occurred 02:20:09.644 --> 02:20:12.264 to me when I was listening to something, which is a base. 02:20:13.104 --> 02:20:18.084 Okay. So irrational, transcendent numbers like pie. 02:20:19.844 --> 02:20:22.784 If you base pie. 02:20:23.084 --> 02:20:24.364 No, no, please, please. 02:20:24.524 --> 02:20:27.324 I have to. Just a P. Okay. 02:20:27.424 --> 02:20:28.164 Okay, okay, I'll let you. 02:20:28.244 --> 02:20:29.224 She's not going to bed. 02:20:29.664 --> 02:20:32.264 No, I'm not leaving. I just have to pee. 02:20:33.584 --> 02:20:34.244 If you... 02:20:34.244 --> 02:20:35.764 Talk about your pie while I pee. 02:20:36.004 --> 02:20:41.864 If you do something... Okay, so if you do something in base 10, 1-0 is 10. 02:20:41.904 --> 02:20:44.564 If you do something in base 2, 1-0 is 2. 02:20:44.824 --> 02:20:50.544 If you do something in base pi, 1-0 is pi. Right? 02:20:52.304 --> 02:21:00.424 What occurred to me is that base pi is equivalent to binary. 02:21:04.144 --> 02:21:07.204 Because there's no, 02:21:08.684 --> 02:21:13.724 the point of a base is you have an identity which is one and then you have your 02:21:13.724 --> 02:21:22.144 number but there's no like difference that you can't pinpoint a number that is, 02:21:23.464 --> 02:21:28.504 everything is transcendental everything is there's no like in between you. 02:21:28.504 --> 02:21:32.724 Don't have to have whole pies like you could have a pie and a half. 02:21:32.724 --> 02:21:39.944 You could have a half pie but is that a what is that in terms of like how would 02:21:39.944 --> 02:21:41.784 you represent that in base pie. 02:21:44.364 --> 02:21:46.404 I mean but you're talking about, 02:21:48.555 --> 02:21:51.395 In base pi, it'd be 1.5. 02:21:52.375 --> 02:21:55.375 No, I'm talking about integers. Integers. Think about integers. 02:21:55.615 --> 02:22:01.275 So, like, between 1 and 10, or 0 and 10, or 1 being... 02:22:01.275 --> 02:22:02.095 Are you talking about binary? 02:22:03.615 --> 02:22:09.075 In binary, you have 1 and then 1, 0. Because you can't really define anything. 02:22:09.315 --> 02:22:11.675 Well, 1, 0 is the same. And 0, 1 is... 02:22:12.235 --> 02:22:14.675 0, 1 is 1. 1, 0 is 2. 02:22:15.115 --> 02:22:18.135 Oh, you're talking about backwards. Okay. Backwards from my point of view. 02:22:18.135 --> 02:22:26.595 and then one one is right right so it'd be pi two pi or three pi you. 02:22:26.595 --> 02:22:32.175 Have to have a one what can you actually have a one in base pi that's a really interesting question. 02:22:33.395 --> 02:22:39.815 Oh because it's in it's it's in doesn't it's not an integer yeah, 02:22:41.815 --> 02:22:47.675 i mean you can't i would say the math people would say you can because you have 02:22:47.675 --> 02:22:52.675 an identity You calculus it all the way out to identity to pi, 02:22:52.855 --> 02:22:55.155 because you can have 1 pi, 2 pi, 3 pi. 02:22:55.555 --> 02:23:01.295 You can have 1 and a half pi, but you're, you, you never. 02:23:01.295 --> 02:23:05.835 But how would you represent anything between 0, 1 and 1, 0 in base pi? 02:23:06.315 --> 02:23:08.655 I'm not sure I'm following what you're trying to say with that. 02:23:09.515 --> 02:23:15.535 0, 1 is identity. 1, 0 is the base. 02:23:15.655 --> 02:23:16.515 Two times the base. 02:23:16.515 --> 02:23:24.455 No it's the base like 10 is the base 10 1 0 is the base 2 1 0 would be base 02:23:24.455 --> 02:23:28.615 3 that would be 3 1 0 would be base 4 sounds like you're conflating. 02:23:28.615 --> 02:23:33.935 How we use a decimal system with base pi like in binary. 02:23:33.935 --> 02:23:40.555 Because the second character in binary is double the identity so the second 02:23:40.555 --> 02:23:42.375 character the second slot. 02:23:42.375 --> 02:23:45.115 In binary is double the identity community. 02:23:46.723 --> 02:23:50.363 The third slot is quadruple the identity. 02:23:50.863 --> 02:23:54.323 But that means it would just be integers, but what it then... 02:23:54.323 --> 02:23:58.643 But it would be integers mapped to an irrational number, which I think math can do. 02:23:59.463 --> 02:24:04.683 Wow. Because you already have pi 2 pi. It's the same thing. 02:24:05.083 --> 02:24:06.963 I just don't see how you represent that. 02:24:07.023 --> 02:24:07.903 Like 2 pi r is a... 02:24:07.903 --> 02:24:11.823 I think that probably the problem is that one... You can't really represent 02:24:11.823 --> 02:24:13.983 the identity well in a base pi. 02:24:14.203 --> 02:24:18.603 I don't know. I think, I mean, I'm not necessarily prepared to argue this, 02:24:18.683 --> 02:24:24.003 but I think if you make the supposition that pi is your identity, 02:24:24.003 --> 02:24:33.243 that you can have any multiple of that identity, 02:24:33.803 --> 02:24:36.223 fractional multiples, decimal multiples, 02:24:36.823 --> 02:24:38.943 integer multiples, whatever. 02:24:38.943 --> 02:24:43.563 or you could have 2 pi, you could have 2.3 pi, you could have 17 pi, 02:24:43.963 --> 02:24:48.543 you could have, you know, like it's already done in math, like 2 pi r is what's 02:24:48.543 --> 02:24:51.143 the circumference of a circle, I think. Yeah. 02:24:52.363 --> 02:24:52.683 Okay. 02:24:53.023 --> 02:24:53.343 All right. 02:24:53.963 --> 02:24:56.923 Actually, let me ask one more question, because this is a question I've been 02:24:56.923 --> 02:25:00.443 considering. This is a programming question. 02:25:02.523 --> 02:25:06.543 But it's about, like I said, I'm really interested in phylogeny and all that stuff. 02:25:06.663 --> 02:25:09.723 I was thinking about, because I'm working with databases to like that, 02:25:09.863 --> 02:25:13.443 and I was thinking about, okay, let's say I had a phylogeny database. 02:25:16.463 --> 02:25:20.803 And what I mean here is that there's a beginning parent. 02:25:22.343 --> 02:25:26.203 And think about nodes. Think of a node graph. 02:25:26.343 --> 02:25:30.663 These are a bunch of dots with parent and children. Yeah. Right? 02:25:32.143 --> 02:25:37.483 And there can only be one parent, But each parent could have many children. 02:25:39.263 --> 02:25:42.143 And that just goes down into a big tree. 02:25:42.883 --> 02:25:47.243 So we start from one, and then that could have three, and then the one over 02:25:47.243 --> 02:25:49.663 here could have eight, whatever. 02:25:50.023 --> 02:25:53.103 But every node has a parent. 02:25:54.723 --> 02:26:03.883 And potentially has children. So the question is, without any other information, 02:26:04.163 --> 02:26:06.283 take two nodes on this graph. 02:26:07.923 --> 02:26:11.363 What's the most efficient way to tell what is its common ancestor? 02:26:11.643 --> 02:26:14.663 What is its most common parent? 02:26:16.623 --> 02:26:21.263 I mean, it sounds kind of like you're talking about factoring, 02:26:21.443 --> 02:26:22.863 and there's not an efficient way. 02:26:22.863 --> 02:26:22.883 No. 02:26:22.923 --> 02:26:24.443 No, okay, so I'm not following that. 02:26:25.023 --> 02:26:32.823 So, let me make it specific. Let me say I'm taking a brown recluse spider and a... 02:26:32.823 --> 02:26:33.423 Oh, okay. 02:26:34.103 --> 02:26:41.303 Sea snail. Some type of sea snail. I don't know a particular name. What is the... 02:26:44.562 --> 02:26:50.442 Parent right of those i mean in that example i think there's two key ways to 02:26:50.442 --> 02:26:55.302 go about it right you make a table of characteristics and see where the overlaps 02:26:55.302 --> 02:27:01.882 are right or you take a table of the dna and see where the overlaps are i'm. 02:27:01.882 --> 02:27:02.982 Saying if you just have. 02:27:02.982 --> 02:27:07.822 The data maybe psychologically or philosophically it's the same thing i don't know i'm. 02:27:07.822 --> 02:27:10.882 Saying you just have the data of the nodes and their parents. 02:27:10.882 --> 02:27:14.042 Oh and their parents each. 02:27:14.042 --> 02:27:17.062 Node knows its parent but that's all it knows right well. 02:27:17.062 --> 02:27:21.602 I mean i don't know i mean i'm missing the point because i'm thinking like you 02:27:21.602 --> 02:27:27.822 just kind of figure out where like how and you you choose how many degrees you 02:27:27.822 --> 02:27:33.442 want to put into the table but you uh you map similarities and differences here's. 02:27:33.442 --> 02:27:36.922 My feeling okay and this is why 02:27:36.922 --> 02:27:39.622 like programming idea because part of the 02:27:39.622 --> 02:27:43.302 things one of the things i'm working with graph ql something about like resolvers 02:27:43.302 --> 02:27:49.382 how to do that okay you you make an array for each of these nodes you put you 02:27:49.382 --> 02:27:57.722 you take the nodes and you map each point of its parent up to the top so one could have. 02:27:57.722 --> 02:27:59.642 I thought you only knew it's immediate parent you. 02:27:59.642 --> 02:28:01.862 Only knew it's immediate parent but each parent knows its immediate. 02:28:01.862 --> 02:28:02.502 Parent. Oh, okay. 02:28:02.742 --> 02:28:09.262 Right? So you can climb up the ladder. So you take the node and you see what 02:28:09.262 --> 02:28:10.982 his parent is, and you put that into an array. 02:28:11.162 --> 02:28:13.602 You take that node and see what his parent is. You put that in. 02:28:13.682 --> 02:28:15.882 Because there's only one parent, right? 02:28:18.062 --> 02:28:22.822 A parent can have multiple children, but a child can only have one parent. 02:28:23.942 --> 02:28:26.562 So you climb that all the way to the top. 02:28:27.742 --> 02:28:33.662 and then you start with both of those arrays and you have a variable so you 02:28:33.662 --> 02:28:37.962 have for the spider you have one array and for the snail you have one array 02:28:37.962 --> 02:28:41.122 and you start at the top if they match, 02:28:41.982 --> 02:28:48.422 then you move that value into an array into a into a variable move down if they match i'm. 02:28:48.422 --> 02:28:52.542 Sorry i got a piece so bad i can't hear what you're saying so let me do that 02:28:52.542 --> 02:28:56.302 because i do want to hear you and i have something else i wanted to bring up 02:28:56.302 --> 02:28:59.302 afterwards but i've lost the battle. 02:28:59.302 --> 02:29:02.542 Okay and i can't follow what you're saying go go go go. 02:29:02.542 --> 02:29:04.042 Go pee go pee go pee. 02:29:04.042 --> 02:29:04.622 Go do it. 02:29:06.591 --> 02:29:07.931 Why are we hearing crickets? 02:29:08.091 --> 02:29:13.251 I don't know. I didn't press any. I literally did not press it. 02:29:13.371 --> 02:29:19.211 Oh, because Jeff put down his headphones on one of the buttons. On the cricket button. 02:29:19.211 --> 02:29:20.191 On the cricket button. 02:29:22.151 --> 02:29:24.431 Does what I'm explaining make sense to you? 02:29:26.731 --> 02:29:31.071 If I was sober, it would make more sense. But yes, no, it does. 02:29:31.951 --> 02:29:38.031 although i'm not understanding what we're trying to accomplish. 02:29:38.031 --> 02:29:40.971 So like i said that there's a there's a 02:29:40.971 --> 02:29:46.731 spider a type of spider and a type of snail what is their closest relative their 02:29:46.731 --> 02:29:51.211 closest common relative right so you could go all the way up to the top and 02:29:51.211 --> 02:29:57.591 say life itself because everything started from life itself but then life itself 02:29:57.591 --> 02:29:59.491 branches into three different things uh-huh, 02:30:00.451 --> 02:30:02.371 Well, actually, okay, two different things. 02:30:02.531 --> 02:30:05.331 You have bacteria and you have prokaryotes. 02:30:06.431 --> 02:30:10.851 Prokaryotes then go into plants, fungi, and animals. 02:30:11.131 --> 02:30:12.231 He didn't wash his hands. 02:30:14.311 --> 02:30:15.951 What are you going to do? Too fast. 02:30:18.631 --> 02:30:22.851 So, like, you and I would know, okay, both the spider and the snail are both 02:30:22.851 --> 02:30:29.631 animals, so they both at least start from there. But if we don't have that information, how do we tell? 02:30:32.331 --> 02:30:37.471 So that's the question is like, how do you program? How do you from a very simple, 02:30:37.471 --> 02:30:41.951 like Turing machine programmatically perspective, how do you determine what 02:30:41.951 --> 02:30:44.951 is the thing where these two split from? 02:30:45.831 --> 02:30:48.751 Because they share a bunch and then they split. 02:30:49.111 --> 02:30:53.511 And the question is, how do you determine quickly and efficiently, 02:30:53.511 --> 02:30:58.891 the most quickly and efficient way only knowing what their parents are. 02:30:59.151 --> 02:30:59.271 Yeah. 02:30:59.611 --> 02:31:00.491 How they split. 02:31:00.711 --> 02:31:02.431 So have you already figured this out? 02:31:02.571 --> 02:31:06.771 My idea I think I have figured out a way I don't know how well it scales. 02:31:07.691 --> 02:31:10.931 So my idea is you start from each. 02:31:10.931 --> 02:31:11.691 The, 02:31:13.791 --> 02:31:19.831 is there a pattern in the like identifier of the parent like a genus kind of thing? No, just random? 02:31:20.051 --> 02:31:24.071 No, there's no other information except their parent because if 02:31:24.071 --> 02:31:27.791 you did this if you actually made this database theoretically things can move 02:31:27.791 --> 02:31:33.511 around right uh and you'd want to make sure the the one thing you want to make 02:31:33.511 --> 02:31:38.831 sure is you want to enforce monofiling which means that again one parent everything 02:31:38.831 --> 02:31:41.851 is one pair there's no multiple parents there's no things that are confused 02:31:41.851 --> 02:31:43.651 everything is one parent and then children, 02:31:45.691 --> 02:31:53.511 so each node has to have a parent and all those parents will combine to life 02:31:53.511 --> 02:31:56.691 the very top node is just life it is the start. 02:32:02.376 --> 02:32:09.436 Okay. So here's my idea. You take that parent of each of them and you turn them 02:32:09.436 --> 02:32:11.196 into a list. An array is a list, basically. 02:32:11.516 --> 02:32:16.696 So you make an array of starting from each of them, what their parent is, 02:32:16.796 --> 02:32:18.396 what their parent is, all the way up to the top. 02:32:19.436 --> 02:32:22.736 and then you start from those arrays at the 02:32:22.736 --> 02:32:28.656 top and you say do they match if they match put that into a variable they match 02:32:28.656 --> 02:32:34.536 at life yes put that into a variable next one they match at prokaryotes yes 02:32:34.536 --> 02:32:39.416 put that in a variable next one they match at eukaryotes yes put that into a 02:32:39.416 --> 02:32:41.756 variable keep going down, 02:32:42.056 --> 02:32:44.616 you're going down into, like, Animalia. 02:32:44.836 --> 02:32:48.556 You're going down into Bilatera. 02:32:48.856 --> 02:32:51.916 You're going down into Protostoma. 02:32:52.316 --> 02:33:01.256 Yeah. They match. Once they don't match, end your search, return whatever you had in that variable. 02:33:02.076 --> 02:33:06.076 You only put something into the variable if it matches. But if it didn't match, 02:33:06.476 --> 02:33:08.636 stop and return whatever you had in that variable. 02:33:09.076 --> 02:33:12.716 that's your answer that's their that's their most reason to call it Ancestor. 02:33:18.979 --> 02:33:21.239 It's kind of backwards from what we do. 02:33:21.679 --> 02:33:25.879 But I'm thinking about like efficiently, in order to efficiently tackle. 02:33:25.899 --> 02:33:27.639 I think there's, I don't know. 02:33:27.639 --> 02:33:31.079 Because if you were to like, let's say this is 500 deep. 02:33:32.599 --> 02:33:39.659 How, like you can't go up, look, up, look, up, look. That would be very, very inefficient. 02:33:39.799 --> 02:33:42.199 Make it 5 billion deep and now you can see what the problem is. 02:33:42.339 --> 02:33:46.739 Yeah. But if you go up and then just keep going down until they don't match. 02:33:46.739 --> 02:33:53.659 Then you have your answer there's probably some kind of table graph theory option 02:33:53.659 --> 02:33:56.179 i'm thinking like rainbow tables or something like that. 02:33:56.179 --> 02:33:58.539 Yeah so this this is what i came up with like as. 02:33:58.539 --> 02:34:05.879 If you can compute rainbow tables that would speed up the processing how because 02:34:05.879 --> 02:34:11.019 rainbow tables would kind of like recompile like relationships and stuff like that. 02:34:11.019 --> 02:34:12.379 But again each one only knows. 02:34:13.479 --> 02:34:17.939 Right but you do depends are you doing this calculation once or a bunch of times 02:34:17.939 --> 02:34:21.299 you're doing it a bunch of times then you calculate the tables i'm. 02:34:21.299 --> 02:34:25.059 Doing theoretically you're doing this once theoretically you did independently 02:34:25.059 --> 02:34:26.859 independent operation every time. 02:34:29.919 --> 02:34:33.699 Yeah it's probably like a ray sort ray difference you know that kind of thing yeah. 02:34:33.699 --> 02:34:36.139 Like it feels like a sort it's a sorting question right. 02:34:36.139 --> 02:34:39.779 Yeah ultimately it's totally sorting question yeah um i 02:34:39.779 --> 02:34:42.679 was just watching a three blue one 02:34:42.679 --> 02:34:52.259 brown about the hypothesis that every inscribed or every loop that you know 02:34:52.259 --> 02:34:56.199 i forget how they describe it but basically a wiggly wobbly line that connects 02:34:56.199 --> 02:35:02.239 to itself that there is a square inscribed with four points on that wiggly wobbly loop. 02:35:02.839 --> 02:35:07.719 It's a hypothesis that there is, but the proof hasn't come yet. 02:35:09.159 --> 02:35:13.359 They've proven that for smooth... 02:35:15.519 --> 02:35:23.339 like non-fractal loops where like the tangent of curves are mostly the tangent 02:35:23.339 --> 02:35:26.439 of the curve and not like some freaky like right angle thing. 02:35:26.439 --> 02:35:27.819 So it's linear as opposed to. 02:35:27.979 --> 02:35:27.999 Yeah. 02:35:27.999 --> 02:35:28.299 Yeah. 02:35:28.399 --> 02:35:33.499 So for smooth curves, there is a rectangle or square inscribed on each every 02:35:33.499 --> 02:35:34.339 one. I can draw it for you. 02:35:34.459 --> 02:35:37.759 It could be, it could still be like a zero or almost zero like square. 02:35:37.879 --> 02:35:42.919 It's so fascinating the way that he kind of arrived at like getting towards 02:35:42.919 --> 02:35:44.999 a proof, right? This is what I love about math is. 02:35:44.999 --> 02:35:49.699 That math is not numbers like people always think math is numbers not like the 02:35:49.699 --> 02:35:57.399 the the simplest and most like inelegant math is numbers the there's so much cool. 02:35:57.399 --> 02:36:00.119 Stuff turned it into a 3d chart right so he 02:36:00.119 --> 02:36:03.399 took the um take the 02:36:03.399 --> 02:36:06.459 circle or take the take the wiggly thing so 02:36:06.459 --> 02:36:09.739 you know i'm gonna draw my fingers but you know just a wiggly thing that comes 02:36:09.739 --> 02:36:14.859 back around to itself right and you pick any four points or are there four specific 02:36:14.859 --> 02:36:21.059 points on that line that make a square yeah and the theory is that probably 02:36:21.059 --> 02:36:23.679 is but we haven't been able to prove that absolutely that. 02:36:23.679 --> 02:36:26.259 Does make sense it's like a hard problem yeah. 02:36:26.259 --> 02:36:31.259 And but one of the ways you can kind of abstract it and a completely meaningless 02:36:31.259 --> 02:36:34.199 problem is you would think but who knows what. 02:36:34.199 --> 02:36:35.779 Kind of applications it could have in the future. 02:36:35.779 --> 02:36:40.699 But what he was doing is you take the how does he do this He takes the, 02:36:43.546 --> 02:36:50.366 Comes up with a three-digit number, which is the first two, I can't remember 02:36:50.366 --> 02:36:52.606 how it gets, like the X and the Y. 02:36:52.866 --> 02:36:56.706 The Z is the length of the ray between the two points. 02:36:57.406 --> 02:37:02.726 And then the X and the Y are... 02:37:03.366 --> 02:37:07.726 Something to look up. And for those of you who are interested, take a look. 02:37:07.726 --> 02:37:15.366 But where the manifolds intersect, it proves that those two diagonals between 02:37:15.366 --> 02:37:18.146 the things are equal distance, so you get the rectangle. 02:37:18.366 --> 02:37:26.546 Manifolds are smooth surfaces, again, that do not have breaks and have discontinuities inside of them. 02:37:26.546 --> 02:37:33.326 Right. But where the manifolds intersect, it proves that you're at the midpoint 02:37:33.326 --> 02:37:37.666 of two lines of equal distance. So you get the rectangle. 02:37:37.906 --> 02:37:42.306 So then you got to make sure the theta of the angle between the two are the 02:37:42.306 --> 02:37:44.226 same. So you had a fourth dimension. 02:37:44.466 --> 02:37:50.386 And then he starts showing how this turns into Tauruses and Klein bottles. 02:37:50.386 --> 02:37:55.926 And like, so from this whole thing of the squiggly line, it gets into mapping it on. 02:37:56.206 --> 02:38:00.586 That's fucking math, man. Math just goes everywhere just from a little bit. 02:38:00.666 --> 02:38:06.026 But like, I never appreciated how close a Taurus is to a Klein bottle. 02:38:06.686 --> 02:38:10.486 Like, it's just directionality. When it needs to come in at the opposite direction, 02:38:10.726 --> 02:38:12.266 it's a Klein bottle versus a Taurus. 02:38:12.506 --> 02:38:18.786 Right. The idea with, well, I mean, a climb bottle is a Mobius loop that is 02:38:18.786 --> 02:38:24.306 connected to itself and then uses a fourth dimension in order to do another twist. 02:38:24.526 --> 02:38:29.606 Right. But then he showed this thing how you can take the unit square and highlight 02:38:29.606 --> 02:38:32.086 the edges of it and then have directionality. 02:38:32.246 --> 02:38:35.806 And if the directionality is opposite, you need to slice it and flip it, 02:38:35.866 --> 02:38:36.886 and that's what makes a climb bottle. 02:38:36.886 --> 02:38:40.066 Definitely sounds like you should look into general relativity because that's... 02:38:40.764 --> 02:38:44.564 So much of this is about coordinates and about understanding how manifolds work. 02:38:44.924 --> 02:38:47.024 Once you get that, that's general relativity. 02:38:47.444 --> 02:38:53.264 There are boundary conditions, but general relativity is about manifolds and coordinate systems. 02:38:53.624 --> 02:38:57.844 And when you get that, when you understand then manifolds, coordinate systems, and metrics. 02:38:58.084 --> 02:39:01.904 Once you understand metrics, which is how you, what are distances? What does that mean? 02:39:02.104 --> 02:39:06.384 And so real quick, so I was watching that and like a Klein bottle versus a Taurus 02:39:06.384 --> 02:39:10.324 is just the tail of the thing coming in in an opposite direction, right? 02:39:11.144 --> 02:39:16.024 and I was out in the shed today working on upgrading my CNC router and I had 02:39:16.024 --> 02:39:18.944 to put cables through a cable chain. Yeah, we're just about done. 02:39:19.104 --> 02:39:23.884 I had to put cables through a cable chain and if I put the cable through the 02:39:23.884 --> 02:39:27.024 cable chain the wrong way, like it wasn't going to work, right? 02:39:27.084 --> 02:39:32.024 It was going to be like the Klein bottle version of the tourist that I needed, you know? 02:39:32.504 --> 02:39:37.044 There's a topology question there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's really cool. All right. 02:39:38.844 --> 02:39:40.624 I'm going to try to match this. 02:39:42.684 --> 02:39:45.464 Are you all done with the after show now, 02:39:47.544 --> 02:39:53.404 that sounds like me gargling with lister let me try to bring it back all right 02:39:53.404 --> 02:39:55.904 you want to try yeah let me try. 02:40:06.647 --> 02:40:07.307 Oh, sorry. 02:40:07.507 --> 02:40:09.627 Let me get to the point. Okay. 02:40:10.067 --> 02:40:10.867 Four, three, two. 02:40:10.867 --> 02:40:15.887 Ha ha ha! 02:40:23.427 --> 02:40:25.747 He's actually doing pretty good. 02:40:27.547 --> 02:40:31.487 I don't know if you can hear it because of the AI, but he's kind of getting 02:40:31.487 --> 02:40:34.807 it. He's not nailing it, but he's kind of close. 02:40:34.807 --> 02:40:48.307 I mean, considering this is the first time he's ever messed around with Earl. It's Earl. 02:40:51.887 --> 02:40:54.047 He's kind of doing it. 02:40:54.167 --> 02:40:54.947 Now he's jamming. 02:40:55.187 --> 02:40:55.967 Now he's jazz. 02:40:58.767 --> 02:41:01.987 All right. Thank you for listening to Craft Beer Radio. 02:41:01.987 --> 02:41:11.447 We absolutely appreciate Your Your Listenership Please join our discord and 02:41:11.447 --> 02:41:19.207 Talk to us there Craft Beer Radio discord I don't know it's a craftbeerradio.com Discord link And. 02:41:19.207 --> 02:41:21.787 We'll see you on April Fool's Day. 02:41:21.787 --> 02:41:32.587 Maybe Or maybe not Or maybe not Maybe we're gonna fool you maybe if you think 02:41:32.587 --> 02:41:36.027 of a cool April Fool's idea we'll listen, 02:41:39.187 --> 02:41:39.847 we're. 02:41:39.847 --> 02:41:41.427 Up for suggestions so. 02:41:41.427 --> 02:41:42.487 Hit us. 02:41:42.487 --> 02:41:43.227 Up on discord. 02:41:44.467 --> 02:41:45.727 Talk to you later everybody. 02:41:48.687 --> 02:41:51.367 Here it comes here it comes. 02:41:51.367 --> 02:41:53.767 Come on. 02:41:53.767 --> 02:41:56.187 Sax man come on sexy sax man. 02:42:05.500 --> 02:42:08.040 I don't know. 02:42:10.140 --> 02:42:10.660 No. 02:42:16.200 --> 02:42:17.320 Nice try, babe. 02:42:20.700 --> 02:42:24.760 All right. Let's stop the train wreck. 02:42:33.760 --> 02:42:40.820 The music seems so good I'm starting this next show with my flute, 02:42:44.300 --> 02:42:46.220 Cooper's so confused right now It makes. 02:42:46.220 --> 02:42:46.980 Me want to. 02:42:46.980 --> 02:42:57.540 Say We can't be so good together Could have left this band forever But the road was gone Oh, my God. 02:42:57.920 --> 02:43:00.620 You guys are actually doing a pretty decent job. 02:43:06.980 --> 02:43:08.600 Can we stop? 02:43:10.720 --> 02:43:11.280 Please. 02:43:11.520 --> 02:43:15.000 Why do you listen to Craft Beer Radio? What other podcast does this? 02:43:18.440 --> 02:43:19.940 All right, I'm done. I'm out. 02:43:22.040 --> 02:43:22.800 Good night. 02:43:28.160 --> 02:43:31.180 I know, Cooper, they're fucking nuts. I love you! 02:43:31.180 --> 02:43:38.440 Oh, my God. 02:44:00.600 --> 02:44:01.820 Oh 02:44:14.070 --> 02:44:14.170 You guys did something! 02:44:24.170 --> 02:44:26.410 You guys didn't stop. 02:44:27.440 --> 02:44:28.260 You're drunk. 02:44:28.460 --> 02:44:28.940 Stop. 02:44:29.280 --> 02:44:31.620 You're drunk. You're drunk. Stop. 02:44:35.160 --> 02:44:39.100 I might have to pose this one without the AI so we can make sure the music gets through. 02:44:39.420 --> 02:44:41.400 You can turn off the AI for the last bit, right? 02:44:41.860 --> 02:44:45.360 I don't know. I don't know. Thanks, everyone. See ya!