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<v Jeff>Craft Beer Radio, episode 528, July 26, 2025.

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<v Greg>R.I.P. Russian Power King. Go for it, Asi.

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<v Jeff>Hi.

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<v Greg>Hi, everybody. Hi.

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<v Shannon>Hi, I'm Shannon.

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<v Greg>I'm Jeff.

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<v Jeff>We're going to do a show tonight.

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<v Greg>We're going to do a show.

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<v Jeff>Let's start with one of these lagers. Let's start with your lager,

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<v Jeff>since it's the lageriest of the lagers.

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<v Shannon>Lageriest.

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<v Greg>The lageriest of the lagers. So this is something that I picked up just literally about an hour ago.

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<v Greg>This is from Four Points Brewing. It's a Bohemian Pilsner, 4.2% Alkabai volume.

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<v Greg>Something nice and simple to start with.

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<v Shannon>Yeah, we're not going to get trashed tonight.

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<v Greg>Well, I mean, who knows?

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<v Jeff>The night is young.

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<v Greg>The night is still young.

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<v Jeff>All right. So while this beer is in the glasses, things have been going on.

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<v Jeff>Shannon and I got the new house. So we've been working over there, getting it ready.

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<v Jeff>Refinishing hardwood floors. I painted three bedrooms today.

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<v Shannon>And I mowed.

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<v Jeff>The yard.

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<v Shannon>More.

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<v Jeff>If there was one thing that was like, oh, did we fuck up? It's the yard.

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<v Jeff>There's a lot of yard. It's very steep yard.

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<v Greg>You have a...

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<v Jeff>Steep. Too steep.

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<v Shannon>Can't do it.

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<v Greg>Oh, wow.

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<v Jeff>Yeah. Like, it's almost too... Some of it's too steep for a push mower.

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<v Greg>That's... Okay. Well, you can adjust that, couldn't you?

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<v Shannon>No.

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<v Jeff>We haven't come to terms of being not overwhelmed with the yard yet,

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<v Jeff>but we'll get there, I think.

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<v Shannon>I don't know.

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<v Jeff>I don't know how much it's going to cost.

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<v Shannon>It's going to cost thousands.

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<v Jeff>I don't like how much it's going to cost.

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<v Shannon>Thousands and thousands. Yeah.

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<v Jeff>Tens of thousands.

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<v Shannon>Yes. Yes.

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<v Greg>What if you even it out?

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<v Shannon>No, no. There's no way.

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<v Jeff>No options.

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<v Greg>What if you get rid of the grass there and put something else there?

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<v Shannon>That's not really an option either.

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<v Jeff>I mean, I love your brainstorming. Yeah, I do too. The problem is there's knotweed

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<v Jeff>right down the way. So if we don't keep it maintained, the knotweed just doesn't take over our lives.

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<v Greg>No, just put it like, you know, put it like a little desert thing. A little desert thing.

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<v Jeff>Maybe, maybe. All right. So the house?

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<v Shannon>The house is great, but yeah, the yard sucks. I had to buy cleats.

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<v Shannon>And that still doesn't help. Yeah, that's a lot.

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<v Shannon>Came back here last week and mowed, got the whole front, backside,

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<v Shannon>everything mowed in an hour and a half.

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<v Shannon>Didn't even have to take one break. I was like, man, this is the best.

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<v Shannon>I never knew it was so easy to mow the yard. Yeah.

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<v Jeff>All right. So Four Points is a local Pittsburgh brewery here on Western Avenue.

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<v Jeff>And this is the Ceremonials. They're Bohemian Pills.

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<v Greg>And I smell the slight crackery breadiness that I would expect from a Pilsner.

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<v Shannon>Very bready.

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<v Greg>A little bit of a hop. A little bit of a noble hop.

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<v Jeff>Spicy noble hop kind of aroma, for sure.

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<v Greg>The color is, there's a little chill haze, which is expected.

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<v Greg>And the color is, yeah, like a really pale gold.

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<v Shannon>Yeah.

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<v Jeff>I find that the Bohemians are a little, what's it, there's a slight amber to

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<v Jeff>it, right? where like Czech pills or I mean like Bavarian pills is typically more straw.

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<v Greg>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Jeff>This one has a little more amber to it. Smells good.

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<v Shannon>It's good pills.

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<v Greg>Tastes good. Yeah, no, it's got what you wanted. It fills the mouth with that,

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<v Greg>kind of saltine-like breadiness.

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<v Greg>It's got a decent noble punch so you're getting a little bit of slightly spicy

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<v Greg>but really more kind of grassy note in terms of the hops.

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<v Jeff>Oh, I thought that was a ton of sulfur you are like dms or something like it's

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<v Jeff>it's either that or it's just extreme hop bitterness but.

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<v Greg>I think it's pretty hoppy for sure it's pretty hoppy so you're getting sulfur

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<v Greg>that's i think where it's coming i'm not getting watered.

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<v Shannon>Down more than mine.

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<v Greg>Does i'm not getting like what i would expect with dms is i would expect like canned corn.

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<v Jeff>You know it's in yours too it's it's coating my entire mouth it's kind of chalky now i'm not.

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<v Shannon>Well no i've got the chalky in my mouth for sure.

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<v Jeff>I got the chalky.

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<v Greg>In my mouth.

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<v Jeff>Craig yours was the bottom of the can so if it was yeast or something like that

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<v Jeff>i would expect you to have the slug of it but taste.

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<v Greg>Mine i think mine weirdly tastes cleaner.

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<v Jeff>Maybe a little bit.

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<v Greg>Yeah. And when you're under the microscope, a little bit goes a long way.

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<v Greg>So I see what you're saying, though. Yeah, there's a little bit more.

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<v Jeff>It's astringent. It's almost, that's what it is. It's astringent.

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<v Jeff>It's like an oversteep tea or something like that.

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<v Greg>Weird. Can stratification. Who knew?

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<v Jeff>Yeah, it's, yeah, I don't know. I mean, from what I'm drinking,

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<v Jeff>it's going to be hard for me to really get around.

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<v Jeff>The thing I don't like about what I'm tasting is, like, right in the middle, and it's super wide.

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<v Greg>Yeah.

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<v Jeff>So it's going to keep me from being able to get into good parts of this beer.

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<v Greg>So I have three more of these. I mean, this will be fine as a drinker.

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<v Shannon>Yeah.

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<v Greg>One of them I may just use to make some tempura batter or something, right?

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<v Jeff>I mean, that's the thing we found out there.

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<v Jeff>When I drink the orphans from a show or whatnot, if I'm watching TV or something,

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<v Jeff>they always just go down. They're not complainable at that point.

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<v Greg>Yeah, it's only when you're.

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<v Shannon>Like— You drank a Miller Lite the other night.

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<v Greg>Oh, that's fine. Miller Lite's fine.

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<v Shannon>Is it?

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<v Greg>Yeah.

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<v Shannon>I mean, I said, you're drinking a Miller Lite? And he's like, I needed hydration.

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<v Shannon>And I was like, oh, yeah, I guess it is mostly water.

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<v Jeff>It was a joke because it's fucking close to water.

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<v Greg>Well, that's why you don't drink it on a canoe. But, no, I thought we got rid

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<v Greg>of all that snobby stuff. I was like, no, I'm fine with Miller Lite.

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<v Greg>In terms of light beers, I think Miller Lite's probably one of the best ones.

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<v Jeff>It's one of the beers that the former homeowners left in the fridge when they

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<v Jeff>moved out and left everything in the fridge.

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<v Shannon>Everything in the fridge. Three dozen eggs.

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<v Greg>Hey, make some obelisks.

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<v Jeff>That and the beer are the only thing we kept. Everything else had to go in the trash.

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<v Shannon>Yeah, I didn't care. There was a whole gallon of milk that wasn't opened,

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<v Shannon>but I just threw it away. I was like, no.

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<v Jeff>Mm-hmm yeah the we did learn wow the previous homeowners filthy yeah,

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<v Jeff>The amount of cleaning we had to do was stunning.

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<v Shannon>You mean me?

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<v Jeff>I tore out the carpet.

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<v Shannon>Oh, yes, you tore out the carpet that we thought was charcoal gray.

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<v Greg>Well, 30 years or plus in the house.

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<v Shannon>Yeah, but come on. You can clean your carpet. I thought it was charcoal gray. It was light blue.

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<v Jeff>Yeah, we moved in and the dresser was gone. There was a light blue square.

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<v Shannon>Light blue. Not meaning blue. Light blue.

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<v Greg>Okay. Yeah, that's something.

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<v Shannon>It was disgusting. Because I was going to put carpet in our bedroom.

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<v Greg>If you don't change your carpet, and it's light struck, if you don't change

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<v Greg>your carpet for like 40 years, then it will, the dye will.

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<v Shannon>Yeah, but it's not going to turn almost black.

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<v Jeff>It was dirty.

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<v Shannon>It was dirty, but yeah. Yeah, it was pretty filthy.

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<v Shannon>I mean, that was the only place I wanted to put carpet in the whole house was in our master bedroom.

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<v Shannon>and when i saw that and what was underneath the carpet when he pulled it up

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<v Shannon>i was like nope changed my mind no carpet none whatsoever it ruined her carpet

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<v Shannon>for forever no carpet i have a little portable bissel like yeah cleaner thing

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<v Shannon>because i don't have much carpet.

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<v Greg>In my place but if something happens i can do a little clean.

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<v Shannon>But yeah the in this place it's all wood right i mean Yeah, it's all wood.

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<v Shannon>I mean, we've got some rugs.

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<v Shannon>Well, one of them is over at the other house right now, but I think the other

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<v Shannon>one's still in the living room. But yeah, well, there's carpet upstairs.

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<v Shannon>I mean, if you want to call it that.

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<v Shannon>This is like indoor-outdoor kind of.

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<v Jeff>Yeah, it's the short piles.

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<v Shannon>Like pool table, underneath the pool table type.

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<v Greg>You play pool right on the floor.

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<v Greg>So, unfortunately, yeah, you decided to evacuate the rest of your beer.

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<v Jeff>Oh, no, I tried. Oh, I evacuated into my gullet, but I wasn't going to,

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<v Jeff>I wasn't going to romance it.

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<v Greg>Well, hey, what are you going to do? Like I said, I pick it up today,

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<v Greg>looking for something that wasn't hazy.

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<v Jeff>Don't try. You're never going to discover the next best thing. All right.

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<v Jeff>So since we're doing loggers, this is one that I brought back,

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<v Jeff>Shannon and I brought back from our trip around the Finger Lakes last year.

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<v Jeff>This is SolarWinds from Prison City.

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<v Jeff>It's a fooder-aged lager.

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<v Greg>Okay, so it's aged for 638 days. What's the significance of 638? It's not two years.

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<v Jeff>I don't know.

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<v Greg>356 plus 100...

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<v Greg>I think I think I got that right.

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<v Greg>Yeah, that's a great idea. Let me ask. Let me ask Miss GPT.

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<v Greg>What would be the significance of the number 638 in terms of days?

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<v Greg>Sure. Let's break it down.

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<v Shannon>You got it.

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<v Greg>That's a year in about nine months. Give or take a few days depending on leap

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<v Greg>years. So if you started counting. All right.

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<v Jeff>It's just how long it was in the boroughs.

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<v Shannon>They won't be able to hear it, probably.

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<v Greg>Well, it's in, I mean, it was a voice, so maybe.

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<v Shannon>Oh, yeah.

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<v Greg>Let's give that a shot again, just in case. What is the significance of 638 in terms of days?

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<v Greg>Ah, got it. So 638 days isn't a common milestone, like a full year or something.

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<v Jeff>Cuts out. Great.

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<v Greg>Yeah, and there's something weird going on with ChatGBT.

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<v Jeff>Microphones. It's what Co-Pilot's voice mode does, too, where it wants you to

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<v Jeff>be able to interrupt it, but it does this whole weird pause, the interruptions.

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<v Greg>It wasn't doing that when I was talking to it earlier. Something was going on

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<v Greg>with it, I think. Anyway, a year and nine months or so.

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<v Jeff>They probably tasted it.

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<v Greg>Yeah.

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<v Jeff>They probably tasted it every three months after a year, and now's the time to pull it, be my guess.

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<v Greg>So it's aged with their house mix culture, in their oak furter brewed with magnum

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<v Greg>hops, lager yeast, pilsner malt, 6.1%.

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<v Jeff>It was very clear.

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<v Shannon>Yeah.

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<v Greg>So from what I'm smelling, I'm expecting...

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<v Jeff>Yeah, go ahead.

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<v Greg>It's sort of a lactic fermentation thing.

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<v Jeff>It's a lambic-y kind of thing. I'm smelling kind of like a cheese rind or something like that.

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<v Greg>So I was recently in Boston. It was my niece's 21st birthday.

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<v Greg>A whole kind of stuff going on there.

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<v Greg>And my dad was up there and he's been up there for like a month.

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<v Greg>He just came down today, came back today. So it was, I had a good time,

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<v Greg>except I made the mistake of not wearing off.

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<v Greg>And yeah, I mean.

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<v Jeff>You can see you got destroyed.

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<v Greg>Oh boy. I got torn up like for two days, mostly in, in, in my legs is where

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<v Greg>I got it. but those things are alive and they are not nice. Um,

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<v Greg>So the weird thing was it was sort of a delay because, you know,

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<v Greg>I got the like, I started to get the redness and stuff. It's hard to show up.

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<v Greg>Then I had a couple things on like my hands and arms and those were fine.

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<v Greg>But the concentration, the amount

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<v Greg>that was on my leg turned into not like itchiness, but just pure pain.

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<v Greg>Distracting. Last weekend was horrible. I'm glad we didn't try to do a show

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<v Greg>last week because it would have been impossible.

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<v Greg>So I had to finally get like, and everything I tried, I tried Tiger Balm.

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<v Greg>I tried the Benadryl cream.

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<v Greg>I tried the only thing that some kind of worked was the 4% gold bond super medicated.

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<v Jeff>Okay.

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<v Greg>And that would work for a little bit, but no, it was just, it was hard to sleep. It was just the worst.

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<v Greg>Finally, now, now it just looks bad. Now it's just scabs, but just don't do it.

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<v Jeff>Shannon's got a similarly bad story.

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<v Shannon>Yeah, the very day that we closed on the house.

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<v Shannon>Yeah, we were over there and I got stung by a bald-faced hornet.

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<v Shannon>And, well, you can see the scar. See that?

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<v Greg>Wow.

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<v Shannon>See that pink?

00:13:14.776 --> 00:13:17.836
<v Greg>Big one, about the size of, a little bit smaller than a tennis ball.

00:13:18.256 --> 00:13:20.296
<v Greg>Maybe a little bit larger than a golf ball.

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<v Shannon>It was bigger than a tennis ball when it, it was almost the size of my hand

00:13:26.116 --> 00:13:27.936
<v Shannon>the pictures are all blisters.

00:13:27.936 --> 00:13:33.776
<v Jeff>Are crazy so she she trained the blisters but then she got an infection so she had to go on antibiotics.

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<v Shannon>Yeah a week exactly

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<v Shannon>a week later i got up and i had red streaking going on and i was like okay now

00:13:42.036 --> 00:13:48.796
<v Shannon>it's time but that that sucked that hurt that was so painful the first three

00:13:48.796 --> 00:13:55.056
<v Shannon>days i guess yeah i think it was that second night yeah where i just I couldn't do anything.

00:13:55.376 --> 00:13:57.496
<v Jeff>Yeah, she had to lay down. She couldn't help work on the house.

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<v Shannon>No.

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<v Greg>I know that. Yeah, I know. That's what I got because it was,

00:14:02.176 --> 00:14:03.596
<v Greg>again, it's like a single mosquito.

00:14:03.836 --> 00:14:08.476
<v Greg>Even a couple is not going to do it, but just, you know, there are like 30 or 40 here.

00:14:08.616 --> 00:14:12.256
<v Greg>It was just that concentration. And that's just on one side of my leg.

00:14:13.276 --> 00:14:17.516
<v Greg>On one side of one leg. It was on both legs. Oh, God, no.

00:14:17.896 --> 00:14:17.996
<v Shannon>Yeah.

00:14:18.916 --> 00:14:22.216
<v Greg>I'm normally not that much of a magnet for mosquitoes, But I'm normally not

00:14:22.216 --> 00:14:26.556
<v Greg>running around outside during the summer that much anyway, because I hate summer.

00:14:27.376 --> 00:14:28.396
<v Shannon>Yeah, summer sucks.

00:14:28.936 --> 00:14:29.736
<v Greg>Summer sucks.

00:14:29.856 --> 00:14:32.196
<v Shannon>So does winter. Spring and fall are great.

00:14:32.416 --> 00:14:34.236
<v Greg>Like, I don't know why we have to qualify it.

00:14:36.891 --> 00:14:38.771
<v Greg>Summer just sucks, period.

00:14:40.931 --> 00:14:42.411
<v Greg>Winter doesn't have bugs.

00:14:42.671 --> 00:14:45.871
<v Shannon>No, it's definitely more tolerable when it comes to bugs.

00:14:47.771 --> 00:14:51.071
<v Shannon>And we won't have to mow the yard. That'd be great.

00:14:52.231 --> 00:14:53.691
<v Jeff>Definitely look forward to that.

00:14:54.091 --> 00:14:54.891
<v Shannon>Oh, shit, yeah.

00:14:55.571 --> 00:14:58.891
<v Greg>Winter, it gets a little chilly sometimes, and you've got to put on extra clothing.

00:15:00.351 --> 00:15:05.371
<v Greg>That's fine. Yeah, sometimes it gets so cold it hurts. That's not great,

00:15:05.451 --> 00:15:06.651
<v Greg>but you go inside and you're fine.

00:15:06.891 --> 00:15:12.131
<v Shannon>Yeah. Yeah, I'd rather have that. I'd rather be cold than hot any day.

00:15:12.431 --> 00:15:16.751
<v Shannon>I hate it. You can only take off so many clothes and then it just doesn't help anyhow.

00:15:17.471 --> 00:15:20.191
<v Jeff>That's what July Shannon says. Ask her again in February.

00:15:20.411 --> 00:15:24.991
<v Shannon>I know. February, I'm complaining and I'm the first to complain about every season.

00:15:27.451 --> 00:15:31.811
<v Greg>But let's face it, you know, whenever I say summer sucks, everyone always says,

00:15:31.891 --> 00:15:35.071
<v Greg>oh, what about winter? You ever heard of fall?

00:15:35.071 --> 00:15:38.391
<v Shannon>Fall and spring yeah fall used

00:15:38.391 --> 00:15:43.171
<v Shannon>to be my favorite time of year now spring is because i get to thaw out a little

00:15:43.171 --> 00:15:49.951
<v Shannon>bit you know but fall is like oh shit it's gonna be dark like all the time yeah

00:15:49.951 --> 00:15:55.591
<v Shannon>you know that i don't like the darkness that's my biggest complaint i think

00:15:55.591 --> 00:15:57.971
<v Shannon>about the winter is it being dark that.

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<v Greg>Was a real problem for me when when i used to work in an office now i don't

00:16:02.911 --> 00:16:07.951
<v Greg>really care that much now it's fine but yeah when you would go in and it'd be dark and.

00:16:07.951 --> 00:16:13.731
<v Shannon>You'd come out it is dark yeah like this what's what kind of life do i have

00:16:13.731 --> 00:16:19.951
<v Shannon>yeah that just sucks yeah onto the beer onto the beer this is solar.

00:16:19.951 --> 00:16:21.371
<v Jeff>Winds from prison city,

00:16:22.423 --> 00:16:24.303
<v Jeff>It has a light funkiness to it.

00:16:24.383 --> 00:16:24.443
<v Shannon>Yeah.

00:16:24.443 --> 00:16:29.943
<v Greg>Yeah, it's not really that tart. Or not that sour. It's a little tart, but not that sour.

00:16:30.163 --> 00:16:33.903
<v Shannon>It's not at all what I thought it was going to be. I thought it was going to

00:16:33.903 --> 00:16:37.863
<v Shannon>be pretty tart. It's very easy to drink.

00:16:38.483 --> 00:16:38.903
<v Greg>Quite.

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<v Jeff>It does seem like it's still distinctly lager-y, as opposed to a Saison or something like that.

00:16:48.063 --> 00:16:52.483
<v Jeff>It's pretty clean. like in the estuary, like there's not a big bunch of esters or anything.

00:16:53.243 --> 00:16:55.683
<v Jeff>There's the malt flavors still in there.

00:16:55.923 --> 00:16:57.243
<v Shannon>Yeah, it's definitely there.

00:16:57.543 --> 00:17:02.023
<v Greg>Yeah, that's a nice thing about this is that it aged a lot so it has a lot of

00:17:02.023 --> 00:17:06.703
<v Greg>complexity to it, but it doesn't overwhelm the rest of the flavors that are there.

00:17:06.803 --> 00:17:09.583
<v Greg>The rest is sort of the underlying beer. So yeah, this is really nicely done.

00:17:09.723 --> 00:17:10.103
<v Shannon>It is.

00:17:11.063 --> 00:17:15.863
<v Jeff>And it looks like it was put in the bottle December of 2024.

00:17:16.843 --> 00:17:21.323
<v Jeff>So it's got another year and a half that couldn't.

00:17:21.323 --> 00:17:22.723
<v Shannon>Have been December of 2024.

00:17:23.343 --> 00:17:24.263
<v Jeff>Because we were.

00:17:24.263 --> 00:17:25.623
<v Shannon>In the Finger Lakes before that.

00:17:25.623 --> 00:17:30.203
<v Jeff>Okay then what's this number mean I don't know maybe it's the.

00:17:31.103 --> 00:17:32.263
<v Shannon>The expiration date.

00:17:32.263 --> 00:17:40.743
<v Jeff>It's B1224 I don't know it's B oh maybe it's just batch 1224 oh yeah.

00:17:42.523 --> 00:17:43.683
<v Shannon>I like this.

00:17:43.683 --> 00:17:46.623
<v Greg>Yeah no I'm a i'm a digging it i'm

00:17:46.623 --> 00:17:50.063
<v Greg>a digging it and yeah the it comes through that it's a lager it really does

00:17:50.063 --> 00:17:58.383
<v Greg>it in i don't know like this is not a beer that i would expect to win over like

00:17:58.383 --> 00:18:04.663
<v Greg>people who are who don't like beers but this is a beer that i think is definitely different but also,

00:18:05.923 --> 00:18:09.823
<v Greg>respectful of all the little bits that you that you want so yeah i'm a fan.

00:18:10.808 --> 00:18:11.388
<v Jeff>I dig it.

00:18:11.748 --> 00:18:12.628
<v Shannon>I dig it too.

00:18:13.528 --> 00:18:13.908
<v Greg>Mmm.

00:18:14.768 --> 00:18:17.668
<v Jeff>So another thing that I've been working on. Oh, so I don't want to,

00:18:17.848 --> 00:18:21.408
<v Jeff>real quick, the reason I was working on this stuff on my vacation is because

00:18:21.408 --> 00:18:25.148
<v Jeff>on the second day of my vacation, the first full day, I was riding...

00:18:25.148 --> 00:18:26.748
<v Shannon>24 hours, less than.

00:18:26.888 --> 00:18:31.588
<v Jeff>Riding a bike with my kids. They were the beach cruiser bikes that were like at the rental house.

00:18:32.008 --> 00:18:37.748
<v Jeff>And we get down to the nature preserve and Max asks Ali if they want to race

00:18:37.748 --> 00:18:40.048
<v Jeff>and Ali's like, no, like I'll race you.

00:18:40.488 --> 00:18:45.008
<v Jeff>And I was like, okay, let's go. So up on the bike, I'm pumping as hard as I

00:18:45.008 --> 00:18:50.308
<v Jeff>can, and the chain jumps off, and I will lose it and wipe out hard.

00:18:51.088 --> 00:18:53.628
<v Jeff>I was completely tangled in the bike. The way it flipped over,

00:18:54.008 --> 00:18:56.968
<v Jeff>I couldn't get out of it. If the kids weren't there, I would have had to wait

00:18:56.968 --> 00:18:58.448
<v Jeff>for someone to come and get me out of the bike.

00:18:58.688 --> 00:19:00.088
<v Shannon>Oh, really? You didn't tell me that.

00:19:00.728 --> 00:19:02.448
<v Jeff>Oh, yeah. I told you I was tangled up in it.

00:19:02.508 --> 00:19:05.068
<v Shannon>Well, I didn't know you were, like, literally tangled up in it.

00:19:05.068 --> 00:19:07.808
<v Jeff>I mean, maybe I could have gotten my wits and gotten out of it,

00:19:07.828 --> 00:19:09.788
<v Jeff>but it didn't seem like it because I was hurting.

00:19:10.048 --> 00:19:13.488
<v Jeff>and my leg was like flipped over and underneath

00:19:13.488 --> 00:19:17.328
<v Jeff>the seat post and uh anyway and

00:19:17.328 --> 00:19:20.048
<v Jeff>you have flip flops on yeah and you know i'm like oh we're just

00:19:20.048 --> 00:19:22.728
<v Jeff>riding down the street with these beach cruisers i can wear my

00:19:22.728 --> 00:19:25.548
<v Jeff>flip flops so series of hijinks if

00:19:25.548 --> 00:19:28.768
<v Jeff>i f that up but anyway i didn't so

00:19:28.768 --> 00:19:33.108
<v Jeff>y'all got injured in various ways but while

00:19:33.108 --> 00:19:35.888
<v Jeff>i was at the rental house and

00:19:35.888 --> 00:19:38.968
<v Jeff>couldn't go in the ocean or the pool or the hot tub because of

00:19:38.968 --> 00:19:42.088
<v Jeff>open wounds i did some digital housekeeping and

00:19:42.088 --> 00:19:45.248
<v Jeff>kind of redid the cbr website and everything

00:19:45.248 --> 00:19:47.968
<v Jeff>so you guys greg found a couple mistakes that i

00:19:47.968 --> 00:19:51.188
<v Jeff>pushed yesterday so i'll get those fixed but got

00:19:51.188 --> 00:19:54.648
<v Jeff>it fixed there'll be an episode index i'm transcribing all

00:19:54.648 --> 00:20:02.648
<v Jeff>of our old episodes are about half done um and having ai kind of helped me do

00:20:02.648 --> 00:20:05.328
<v Jeff>a bunch of different things with it so we'll have new summaries we'll have chapters

00:20:05.328 --> 00:20:11.648
<v Jeff>we'll have like interesting moments like links to them oh it will have a comprehensive

00:20:11.648 --> 00:20:13.708
<v Jeff>list of all the beers tasted and the rankings.

00:20:14.823 --> 00:20:18.583
<v Greg>Our show website is brand new. Doo-dah, doo-dah.

00:20:18.843 --> 00:20:18.983
<v Jeff>Yep.

00:20:21.163 --> 00:20:25.403
<v Shannon>Well, but we still have to update it because we just discovered I'm not on it.

00:20:25.783 --> 00:20:32.143
<v Greg>Mm-hmm. Yeah, we took a look at it, and our bios are weird.

00:20:32.663 --> 00:20:38.343
<v Greg>Yeah, there's not—I do like the intro, I think, that you did with the very first page.

00:20:38.503 --> 00:20:39.423
<v Jeff>That I wrote a while back, yeah.

00:20:39.563 --> 00:20:42.943
<v Greg>But, yeah, the stuff about who we are and the show is a little,

00:20:43.103 --> 00:20:44.383
<v Greg>yeah, very, very out of date.

00:20:44.823 --> 00:20:49.283
<v Greg>But we talked a little bit about, we have these, is now we're recording on different,

00:20:49.423 --> 00:20:54.283
<v Greg>so in order to get the transcripts right, we're recording on different tracks.

00:20:55.183 --> 00:21:00.903
<v Greg>Thank you. So that the transcriptor will know which audio is which person.

00:21:01.443 --> 00:21:08.203
<v Greg>Which means that we can train an AI bot, LLM bot, whatever you want to call them, to use our voices.

00:21:08.683 --> 00:21:12.103
<v Greg>And then we can now interrogate them and bring them on.

00:21:12.383 --> 00:21:17.363
<v Greg>I really want to do that. I really want to get a me and a you and just,

00:21:17.483 --> 00:21:20.943
<v Greg>like, ask them weird questions and see what they say.

00:21:22.003 --> 00:21:23.243
<v Jeff>All right. We'll do it.

00:21:24.283 --> 00:21:27.403
<v Greg>And a Shannon. Yeah, no, there's definitely enough Shannon. Yeah, you've been.

00:21:27.443 --> 00:21:28.003
<v Shannon>There should be.

00:21:28.183 --> 00:21:30.883
<v Greg>Maybe. There's at least 30-plus episodes, right?

00:21:31.103 --> 00:21:32.463
<v Shannon>Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:33.403 --> 00:21:36.803
<v Jeff>One episode will be enough to train the voice, and then, you know,

00:21:36.903 --> 00:21:40.843
<v Jeff>the transcripts have who's speaking. So, at least the news transcripts.

00:21:40.963 --> 00:21:44.763
<v Greg>Yeah, the older ones. I don't think that the AI is good enough to do that.

00:21:45.383 --> 00:21:48.243
<v Jeff>No. I mean, there is an option. I couldn't get it to work.

00:21:48.883 --> 00:21:52.483
<v Greg>Yeah, I think that if you poured a bunch of computing resources into it,

00:21:52.543 --> 00:21:53.803
<v Greg>you might be able to get something better.

00:21:54.983 --> 00:21:58.023
<v Greg>But it still wouldn't be great.

00:21:58.243 --> 00:22:00.723
<v Jeff>Yeah, it's still the most expensive part of this whole thing.

00:22:00.783 --> 00:22:04.143
<v Jeff>It costs about 80 cents an hour to transcribe the old audio,

00:22:04.323 --> 00:22:07.183
<v Jeff>but I get credits through work, and Shannon gets credits through work.

00:22:07.403 --> 00:22:09.103
<v Shannon>So we're using my credits, too.

00:22:09.343 --> 00:22:12.163
<v Greg>We have the old service that... We paid for.

00:22:12.283 --> 00:22:12.443
<v Jeff>Yeah.

00:22:13.797 --> 00:22:17.357
<v Jeff>That's actually, you know, this is that the credits are very soft money.

00:22:17.517 --> 00:22:21.657
<v Jeff>So I'll just, you know, like with the combination of my account and Shannon's

00:22:21.657 --> 00:22:25.217
<v Jeff>account, we should be able to get through them all next month. So I'm Batman.

00:22:27.297 --> 00:22:34.217
<v Jeff>And yeah, so I'm just excited to like make the website like pretty good with a little bit of effort.

00:22:34.297 --> 00:22:36.677
<v Jeff>And AI is doing a lot to help there.

00:22:36.837 --> 00:22:38.257
<v Greg>It's pure vibe coding, right?

00:22:38.797 --> 00:22:43.257
<v Jeff>Pretty much. I mean, you have to know enough to like set it straight when it starts lying to you.

00:22:44.557 --> 00:22:47.357
<v Greg>Right but but you're not but it's still a black box.

00:22:47.357 --> 00:22:50.657
<v Jeff>No you're telling you what to do no i understand what it's doing i mean i can

00:22:50.657 --> 00:22:55.077
<v Jeff>understand all the apis and everything but like the the layout of the website

00:22:55.077 --> 00:22:58.997
<v Jeff>i was like just generate me a new website you know and so that's it did the

00:22:58.997 --> 00:23:04.637
<v Jeff>html for the why if it's good enough for something like crafty radio it's good

00:23:04.637 --> 00:23:05.937
<v Jeff>enough it doesn't have to be great yeah.

00:23:05.937 --> 00:23:09.937
<v Greg>Yeah yeah no i'm i'm with you we're not we're not putting up a storefront and

00:23:09.937 --> 00:23:11.917
<v Greg>trying to sell, you know, run a business here.

00:23:12.157 --> 00:23:18.097
<v Jeff>Right. Right. So I figured the bar was really low to have AI just do all the things.

00:23:18.397 --> 00:23:22.637
<v Greg>Yeah, I mean, I think that one of the things that's really cool and it does

00:23:22.637 --> 00:23:25.917
<v Greg>need to be updated, like I said, with a search thing, but we talked about it,

00:23:26.037 --> 00:23:29.757
<v Greg>is there's a list of all the beers we've done linking to the shows that we did

00:23:29.757 --> 00:23:32.057
<v Greg>them on, which is really neat.

00:23:32.897 --> 00:23:37.657
<v Greg>And that's going to be useful in a couple of ways. One of them is,

00:23:38.197 --> 00:23:39.637
<v Greg>have we done this beer before?

00:23:40.037 --> 00:23:45.077
<v Jeff>I can also, so once I get the playback linking to like timestamps,

00:23:45.237 --> 00:23:48.457
<v Jeff>I'll be able to link to when the bees start reviewing the beer too.

00:23:48.897 --> 00:23:49.917
<v Greg>That'd be really neat.

00:23:50.886 --> 00:23:55.466
<v Greg>Really cool. Okay, well, this is already much more hoppy. This is a...

00:23:55.466 --> 00:23:56.166
<v Shannon>Of course.

00:23:56.366 --> 00:23:58.346
<v Greg>This is some kind of hazy...

00:23:58.346 --> 00:24:01.526
<v Jeff>Yeah, this is out of Norfolk, Virginia. I picked this up last week when we were

00:24:01.526 --> 00:24:02.806
<v Jeff>down there. Is this the Lumpire?

00:24:03.426 --> 00:24:06.546
<v Jeff>No, this is the Benchtop.

00:24:07.646 --> 00:24:11.266
<v Jeff>Benchtop Proven Theory India Pale Ale. Brewed in Norfolk, Virginia.

00:24:12.426 --> 00:24:13.766
<v Jeff>Thoughtfully brewed in Norfolk.

00:24:13.866 --> 00:24:18.806
<v Greg>Virginia. Thoughtfully. Oh, well, they didn't just throw this shit together. Flagship

00:24:18.806 --> 00:24:24.366
<v Greg>IPA Brewed with citra and mosaic hops Fermented with their Fronted dry with

00:24:24.366 --> 00:24:30.326
<v Greg>our house English yeast 7% Citra and mosaic like I said Oh they even tell you

00:24:30.326 --> 00:24:35.766
<v Greg>the malts Two row dextrin flaked oats Flaked wheat Vienna white wheat,

00:24:36.626 --> 00:24:38.926
<v Greg>It's a hazy Citra.

00:24:38.926 --> 00:24:41.306
<v Shannon>And mosaic My two favorite hops.

00:24:41.306 --> 00:24:44.786
<v Greg>Oh I've got the chunks No.

00:24:44.786 --> 00:24:46.926
<v Shannon>I got chunks Lots of.

00:24:46.926 --> 00:24:47.046
<v Greg>Chocolate.

00:24:47.046 --> 00:24:49.786
<v Jeff>Oh, that smells great. It smells grapefruit-y, kind of orange.

00:24:49.906 --> 00:24:50.266
<v Shannon>Oh, God.

00:24:50.526 --> 00:24:50.886
<v Jeff>Clementine.

00:24:51.766 --> 00:24:54.786
<v Greg>There's a little banana in there, too. Like, I think maybe it's just the tropical

00:24:54.786 --> 00:24:59.906
<v Greg>influences that's bringing that, like, a, I feel like a reference to banana.

00:25:00.746 --> 00:25:01.726
<v Shannon>Where did we get it?

00:25:02.446 --> 00:25:05.326
<v Jeff>I picked this up at the Navy Beverage Exchange.

00:25:05.806 --> 00:25:08.266
<v Shannon>Oh. Okay. Because I was trying to think.

00:25:08.286 --> 00:25:12.746
<v Jeff>My dad has a friend who's retired, and so we can go on to the Navy base,

00:25:13.266 --> 00:25:19.426
<v Jeff>or the Naval air base and buy beers and liquor there and you don't pay tax.

00:25:20.126 --> 00:25:21.166
<v Shannon>So nice.

00:25:21.406 --> 00:25:24.126
<v Jeff>No tax. Oh yeah!

00:25:27.846 --> 00:25:29.566
<v Jeff>That's Macho Man Randy Savage.

00:25:29.666 --> 00:25:31.526
<v Greg>That is. R.I.P.

00:25:32.326 --> 00:25:35.786
<v Jeff>Is it really R.I.P. for Hulk Hogan? He's kind of an asshole.

00:25:36.086 --> 00:25:41.766
<v Greg>The question about R.I.P. is the Hulk Hogan one. Now, like, especially the last couple of times.

00:25:41.766 --> 00:25:42.426
<v Shannon>Yeah, yeah.

00:25:42.426 --> 00:25:44.446
<v Greg>Kind of tarnished.

00:25:44.586 --> 00:25:46.946
<v Shannon>It did. He really, in my eyes.

00:25:47.186 --> 00:25:50.366
<v Jeff>It's not just the MAGA stuff. It was that whole lawsuit against Gawker.

00:25:50.586 --> 00:25:55.786
<v Greg>Yeah, that destroyed a lot of good stuff on the web because it turned,

00:25:56.226 --> 00:26:02.586
<v Greg>made Peter Thiel, like, have so much more influence than he should. Yeah.

00:26:03.026 --> 00:26:05.546
<v Shannon>And we lost Theo Huxtable, too, you know.

00:26:06.086 --> 00:26:08.146
<v Greg>Yeah, that's a real tragedy.

00:26:08.166 --> 00:26:08.726
<v Shannon>I know.

00:26:08.906 --> 00:26:09.486
<v Greg>Like, what happened?

00:26:09.706 --> 00:26:11.026
<v Shannon>Yeah. Awful.

00:26:11.046 --> 00:26:11.506
<v Jeff>Drumswumming, right?

00:26:11.666 --> 00:26:11.946
<v Greg>Yeah.

00:26:11.946 --> 00:26:13.346
<v Shannon>Yeah, with his family.

00:26:14.406 --> 00:26:17.406
<v Greg>Man. Shouldn't have worn those sweaters when he was.

00:26:17.526 --> 00:26:24.566
<v Jeff>I saw an old meme of, who was the interviewer guy for WWF? Was it like Gene Okerlund?

00:26:24.886 --> 00:26:27.926
<v Jeff>Yeah, Mean Gene Okerlund. Mean Gene Okerlund was interviewing the Iron Sheik

00:26:27.926 --> 00:26:30.146
<v Jeff>and is like, what do you think Hulk Hogan's last words were?

00:26:30.546 --> 00:26:31.666
<v Jeff>And Iron Sheik's like, the N-word.

00:26:32.746 --> 00:26:33.646
<v Shannon>Oh, really?

00:26:33.886 --> 00:26:36.426
<v Greg>Yeah, no, that makes sense. No.

00:26:36.946 --> 00:26:37.926
<v Jeff>Yeah, he's an asshole.

00:26:38.186 --> 00:26:39.786
<v Shannon>Oh, yeah. He's an asshole.

00:26:40.826 --> 00:26:43.766
<v Jeff>All right. This beer smells delicious. Does it taste as good?

00:26:45.539 --> 00:26:46.159
<v Shannon>It's beautiful.

00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:48.739
<v Jeff>It's pretty bitter.

00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:50.359
<v Greg>Almost piney.

00:26:50.459 --> 00:26:52.459
<v Shannon>I think it's from that last beer.

00:26:52.779 --> 00:26:55.799
<v Jeff>Yeah, well, I think I should have kept, like, the dregs, like,

00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:58.639
<v Jeff>the hoppy dregs out of our samples.

00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:03.359
<v Jeff>Probably would have been more citrusy. I think we're getting a bunch of, like, bottom.

00:27:03.659 --> 00:27:08.379
<v Greg>I didn't get any dregs, so you tell me. I feel like.

00:27:09.099 --> 00:27:12.419
<v Jeff>Yeah, no, it's still pretty bitter. It's kind of bordering on pine.

00:27:12.719 --> 00:27:15.319
<v Greg>Yeah. I mean, this is citra. Citra and mosaic.

00:27:15.939 --> 00:27:17.319
<v Shannon>It shouldn't be that piney.

00:27:17.399 --> 00:27:20.479
<v Greg>It shouldn't be that piney. So where's that coming from?

00:27:20.739 --> 00:27:23.159
<v Jeff>Just a little too much of the dry hop, I think.

00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:27.239
<v Shannon>I think I'm still tasting the chalkiness from that first beer.

00:27:28.719 --> 00:27:29.599
<v Greg>Oh, no.

00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:32.459
<v Jeff>That's not great.

00:27:32.859 --> 00:27:33.479
<v Shannon>Not great.

00:27:34.399 --> 00:27:37.079
<v Greg>Yeah, no, perfectly quaffable.

00:27:37.379 --> 00:27:42.159
<v Jeff>Yeah. Yeah, but it's, yeah, for review-wise, again, this is kind of a one-note

00:27:42.159 --> 00:27:45.239
<v Jeff>beast as well, where it's just all that piney bitterness up front.

00:27:45.539 --> 00:27:47.959
<v Shannon>It smells so much better than it is today.

00:27:48.179 --> 00:27:48.699
<v Greg>How old is it?

00:27:50.739 --> 00:27:54.199
<v Greg>I'm wondering if I'm tasting, because it feels like it doesn't have,

00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:58.659
<v Greg>it has like a core, but it doesn't have any of the outside, if you will,

00:27:58.739 --> 00:28:00.839
<v Greg>like any of the stuff that.

00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:02.159
<v Jeff>45 days.

00:28:02.819 --> 00:28:03.859
<v Shannon>Oh, yeah, it's young.

00:28:03.959 --> 00:28:04.279
<v Greg>Fresh.

00:28:05.719 --> 00:28:08.699
<v Shannon>Speaking of young we had a young a young little baby

00:28:08.699 --> 00:28:12.239
<v Shannon>fawn poor thing laying

00:28:12.239 --> 00:28:15.619
<v Shannon>against our house in this little like

00:28:15.619 --> 00:28:18.799
<v Shannon>what would you call that alcove alcove and

00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.659
<v Shannon>i think it was hiding it was storming right before we left to come back to to

00:28:22.659 --> 00:28:32.439
<v Shannon>this house and so we were coming up the steps with cooper and cooper right there

00:28:32.439 --> 00:28:37.799
<v Shannon>i mean he i think he liked it he touched the deer today he touched the deer he didn't get.

00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:38.619
<v Jeff>His teeth on or anything.

00:28:38.619 --> 00:28:43.799
<v Shannon>No and that poor little thing it still had spots you're gonna have.

00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:47.479
<v Greg>A you're gonna have a hard time getting me to to really care much about deer.

00:28:47.479 --> 00:28:53.499
<v Shannon>I don't i don't those things i i but when they're babies i do you know i.

00:28:53.499 --> 00:28:58.459
<v Greg>Mean that they're the That's the time when it's best to cull them because.

00:28:58.459 --> 00:29:00.839
<v Shannon>Like... I know, but...

00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.779
<v Greg>Yeah, they're just big rats and they're not as personal as rats.

00:29:04.939 --> 00:29:07.399
<v Greg>At least rats are like clever.

00:29:07.699 --> 00:29:10.139
<v Shannon>And rats, they don't carry ticks.

00:29:11.043 --> 00:29:13.583
<v Greg>No, rats carry other diseases, like plague.

00:29:13.843 --> 00:29:14.043
<v Shannon>Yeah.

00:29:15.783 --> 00:29:17.083
<v Jeff>But at least it's not tick.

00:29:18.723 --> 00:29:25.083
<v Shannon>We picked a tick off of me, what? The day after I got stung by that hornet?

00:29:25.483 --> 00:29:26.543
<v Jeff>First day you got the grass down there, yeah.

00:29:27.143 --> 00:29:30.023
<v Shannon>I'm like, this place, Tranquility Base, my ass.

00:29:30.203 --> 00:29:32.703
<v Jeff>Yeah, we started calling it Tranquility Base because it's in Apollo.

00:29:33.483 --> 00:29:34.283
<v Greg>I see.

00:29:34.643 --> 00:29:34.943
<v Shannon>Yes.

00:29:35.143 --> 00:29:40.103
<v Jeff>And then I realized after she got stung that, what was the rescue ship for Apollo 11?

00:29:40.763 --> 00:29:41.763
<v Greg>The rescue ship?

00:29:42.003 --> 00:29:42.143
<v Shannon>Yep.

00:29:42.163 --> 00:29:43.783
<v Jeff>The recovery ship. The recovery ship.

00:29:44.063 --> 00:29:45.143
<v Greg>Oh, um.

00:29:46.763 --> 00:29:48.363
<v Shannon>Take a wild guess.

00:29:48.603 --> 00:29:53.683
<v Jeff>Foreshadowing. Which aircraft carrier do you think it was? She got stung by a hornet.

00:29:54.823 --> 00:29:57.023
<v Jeff>The USS Hornet was the recovery ship. Okay, okay.

00:29:57.423 --> 00:29:59.863
<v Greg>Yeah, I wouldn't have gotten that one in a million years.

00:30:00.303 --> 00:30:03.543
<v Jeff>I was thinking about that. I'm like, I'm pretty sure the Hornet was the recovery

00:30:03.543 --> 00:30:06.383
<v Jeff>ship for Apollo 11. And it was.

00:30:06.563 --> 00:30:08.903
<v Shannon>I'm like, I want to move back to Tyler Road.

00:30:08.903 --> 00:30:14.303
<v Greg>With the Eagle and what was the command the Eagle what was the Eagle was the lander.

00:30:14.303 --> 00:30:19.503
<v Jeff>Which became Serenity Base when it touched down right and the command module,

00:30:20.543 --> 00:30:21.903
<v Jeff>it probably does have a name I.

00:30:21.903 --> 00:30:26.123
<v Greg>Can't think of it I'm sure it had a name I know it had a name I don't it's not coming to me.

00:30:26.983 --> 00:30:30.963
<v Shannon>If only we had some kind of a device that would tell us.

00:30:30.963 --> 00:30:31.663
<v Greg>Yes let's.

00:30:31.663 --> 00:30:33.023
<v Jeff>Call Mike Collins up and see.

00:30:33.023 --> 00:30:39.383
<v Greg>What was the name of the command module for Apollo 11 Columbia Columbia Oh.

00:30:39.503 --> 00:30:40.203
<v Jeff>Yes, of course.

00:30:43.003 --> 00:30:44.503
<v Shannon>Yeah, that's not great.

00:30:45.123 --> 00:30:47.883
<v Jeff>Oh, well. Can we go up from here?

00:30:48.283 --> 00:30:51.223
<v Shannon>It smelled so good. It was like...

00:30:51.223 --> 00:30:52.163
<v Greg>You're setting yourself up for something.

00:30:52.543 --> 00:30:54.903
<v Jeff>I know. Tempting fate.

00:30:55.603 --> 00:31:00.723
<v Greg>There were definitely things that I had to talk about. Now I'm blanking on so

00:31:00.723 --> 00:31:03.703
<v Greg>much of this stuff. But...

00:31:04.957 --> 00:31:09.497
<v Greg>I was looking into other reptiles to perhaps get.

00:31:09.617 --> 00:31:10.737
<v Shannon>Oh, really?

00:31:10.897 --> 00:31:11.077
<v Greg>Get.

00:31:11.417 --> 00:31:11.797
<v Shannon>Hmm.

00:31:12.837 --> 00:31:19.537
<v Greg>I think that definitely the thing that probably tops on my list is a crested gecko. Oh, cool.

00:31:19.837 --> 00:31:23.937
<v Shannon>You should talk to Tori about them. She might be able to hook you up with one.

00:31:24.237 --> 00:31:28.777
<v Shannon>I mean, she doesn't have any, but she might know somebody here in the area.

00:31:29.037 --> 00:31:34.517
<v Greg>I mean, there are such great breeders and stuff online that I know now that...

00:31:34.957 --> 00:31:35.777
<v Greg>That's what I probably do.

00:31:35.837 --> 00:31:38.417
<v Jeff>But I want to know about the ones that are whack and kind of being,

00:31:38.777 --> 00:31:41.697
<v Jeff>she doesn't know about like pedigree ones.

00:31:41.977 --> 00:31:45.157
<v Greg>Yeah, but I want to like set up a nice enclosure with a misting system so I

00:31:45.157 --> 00:31:46.737
<v Greg>don't have to worry about misting it.

00:31:47.357 --> 00:31:50.377
<v Greg>But one thing that I talked to some people about them and one thing I was worried

00:31:50.377 --> 00:31:54.897
<v Greg>about, I was like, OK, the thing that I know about the two reptiles I have is

00:31:54.897 --> 00:31:58.177
<v Greg>I can leave them alone for five days and they'll be fine. The question was,

00:31:58.297 --> 00:31:59.277
<v Greg>can I deal with a crested gecko?

00:31:59.477 --> 00:31:59.637
<v Shannon>Right.

00:32:00.157 --> 00:32:05.217
<v Greg>They eat more often and, you know, they need that misting.

00:32:05.277 --> 00:32:09.257
<v Greg>Well, as long as they have a misting system, you can apparently just sort of

00:32:09.257 --> 00:32:10.357
<v Greg>leave some food in there.

00:32:10.897 --> 00:32:15.537
<v Greg>And the great thing about crested geckos, for anybody who is in any way curious,

00:32:15.917 --> 00:32:19.217
<v Greg>is their food is just a powder you mix with water.

00:32:20.217 --> 00:32:24.317
<v Greg>You don't have to worry about insects or rodents or anything like that.

00:32:24.417 --> 00:32:28.077
<v Greg>It's just a powder. I mean, you can supplement them with insects.

00:32:28.077 --> 00:32:29.337
<v Greg>It's probably a good idea.

00:32:29.797 --> 00:32:32.097
<v Jeff>Can they drink from a gerbil bottle or something like that?

00:32:33.577 --> 00:32:40.057
<v Greg>They usually drink the mist droplets that are on the leaves and stuff in their enclosure.

00:32:41.357 --> 00:32:46.657
<v Greg>And they can drink from little bowls and stuff, too.

00:32:46.777 --> 00:32:53.157
<v Greg>But they tend to, at least the wild ones, tend to not even recognize that it's

00:32:53.157 --> 00:32:56.197
<v Greg>sandy water. or they only sort of see droplets and stuff.

00:32:56.377 --> 00:32:59.817
<v Greg>But the ones that are these days, you know, because they're captive bred...

00:33:00.980 --> 00:33:06.680
<v Greg>They can drink from a bowl just fine. Yeah, it's weird because crested geckos

00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:08.280
<v Greg>are so interesting to species.

00:33:09.020 --> 00:33:13.260
<v Greg>They're from New Caledonia. They were thought to be extinct.

00:33:13.780 --> 00:33:19.200
<v Greg>And then some biologists found some on a journey.

00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:26.580
<v Greg>And I think they're still probably endangered, but they are huge in the pet trade.

00:33:26.840 --> 00:33:30.380
<v Greg>One of the biggest reptiles, because they were very easy to care for.

00:33:30.380 --> 00:33:37.460
<v Greg>they are personable they're not going to they're not aggressive they jump a

00:33:37.460 --> 00:33:42.180
<v Greg>little bit they're geckos in the traditional sense in that they stick to things yeah.

00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:43.960
<v Shannon>I'm pretty sure Tori had one.

00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:47.500
<v Greg>Yeah I know Tori had one I remember seeing it,

00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:54.660
<v Greg>they are the only negative you want to call it that is that they have a tail

00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:58.820
<v Greg>that they can drop and it won't grow back yeah but that's fine,

00:33:59.280 --> 00:34:03.960
<v Greg>When they drop the tail, they're usually called frog butts. It looks kind of like a frog butt.

00:34:04.940 --> 00:34:09.600
<v Greg>But they're fine. They'll take a couple weeks in to get used to their new jumping

00:34:09.600 --> 00:34:11.420
<v Greg>style because now their balance is all different.

00:34:12.120 --> 00:34:18.280
<v Greg>But then they're good. But yeah, they're really handleable, which is what I want.

00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:24.660
<v Greg>I like the reptiles are very handleable and they're not going to be a hard thing

00:34:24.660 --> 00:34:29.320
<v Greg>to deal with and that they can deal with time away if I need to get the time away.

00:34:29.420 --> 00:34:32.320
<v Greg>That's all, that's like really important to me. So that's why I like,

00:34:32.520 --> 00:34:36.280
<v Greg>I can't have something that needs everyday attention.

00:34:36.500 --> 00:34:37.640
<v Shannon>Mm-mm, yeah.

00:34:38.260 --> 00:34:39.580
<v Greg>It's just not going to work for me.

00:34:40.100 --> 00:34:40.540
<v Jeff>Yep.

00:34:40.860 --> 00:34:41.460
<v Shannon>Like Cooper.

00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:46.500
<v Greg>Yeah, no, like, yeah, the thing about dogs are, I think, one of,

00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:49.220
<v Greg>they're really mid-level pack,

00:34:49.220 --> 00:34:54.620
<v Greg>and if you rank pets in terms of what I'm looking for, they're mid-level,

00:34:55.340 --> 00:34:59.160
<v Greg>and I think sort of on an objective level I think that they're kind of mid-level

00:34:59.160 --> 00:35:05.080
<v Greg>don't get me wrong dogs give you something that no other pet can give you no other pet can give you so,

00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:10.820
<v Greg>dogs are like the most loyal and the like most loving things,

00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:19.100
<v Greg>perhaps on the planet and we've because they've we've read them to be that way but,

00:35:19.640 --> 00:35:24.360
<v Greg>they are in terms of like how you have to deal with them they become a lifestyle

00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:30.320
<v Greg>they become basically like sure do little little kids and.

00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:34.300
<v Shannon>Then you find and then you find out your dog has a heart disease and.

00:35:34.300 --> 00:35:35.300
<v Greg>Yeah then.

00:35:35.300 --> 00:35:36.600
<v Shannon>It becomes an even bigger.

00:35:36.600 --> 00:35:40.400
<v Greg>The amount of money you spend on that stuff i mean like i've spent good money

00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:47.400
<v Greg>on even just penrose's stuff when i was you know scared about her shit but So

00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:51.100
<v Greg>it's not like pets, you aren't challenged in any way.

00:35:51.140 --> 00:35:52.020
<v Shannon>Oh, no. Yeah.

00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:52.500
<v Greg>But...

00:35:53.512 --> 00:35:59.172
<v Greg>With dogs, with mammals in general, you're going to be paying more often.

00:35:59.292 --> 00:36:01.152
<v Greg>I mean, bigger metabolisms.

00:36:01.412 --> 00:36:04.412
<v Shannon>I'm just glad we have pet insurance on them.

00:36:04.592 --> 00:36:10.612
<v Greg>Yeah. Just, yeah, be like, I think that the worst pet you can imagine in terms

00:36:10.612 --> 00:36:14.152
<v Greg>of taking over your life, birds.

00:36:14.452 --> 00:36:21.332
<v Shannon>I hate, I don't hate birds, but I hate to see birds in a cage,

00:36:21.552 --> 00:36:24.572
<v Shannon>in a house. is that it makes me sad.

00:36:24.572 --> 00:36:25.992
<v Greg>I don't think i get that i.

00:36:25.992 --> 00:36:32.952
<v Shannon>I understand why people have them and i'm not judging people for having them i just couldn't do it.

00:36:32.952 --> 00:36:35.892
<v Greg>But you can get things like macaws that are like they're they

00:36:35.892 --> 00:36:38.812
<v Greg>go on the page at night and then they just come out

00:36:38.812 --> 00:36:42.072
<v Greg>during the day and they're just you know they're around and um

00:36:42.072 --> 00:36:44.872
<v Greg>they're but they are you're you

00:36:44.872 --> 00:36:49.572
<v Greg>have to it's a commitment for the rest of your life pretty much yeah it's super

00:36:49.572 --> 00:36:55.272
<v Greg>big and they if you don't have a friend for them they're going to be requiring

00:36:55.272 --> 00:37:02.632
<v Greg>your attention constantly yeah they can live 50 years yes so you.

00:37:02.632 --> 00:37:04.952
<v Shannon>Know if i got one now it would outlive me.

00:37:04.952 --> 00:37:06.892
<v Greg>Yeah i'd have to yeah will.

00:37:06.892 --> 00:37:08.712
<v Shannon>It to one of my kids i wouldn't have.

00:37:08.712 --> 00:37:12.832
<v Greg>To worry in order if you want to get a macaw you have to not only be like be

00:37:12.832 --> 00:37:17.272
<v Greg>super into it and like have a lot of disposable income you also have to have

00:37:17.272 --> 00:37:23.832
<v Greg>people who will be able to handle the macaw for you whenever you have anything that comes up.

00:37:24.552 --> 00:37:29.732
<v Shannon>Remember that one that was at that winery that we went to? Yeah. That was crazy.

00:37:30.912 --> 00:37:37.372
<v Shannon>If it couldn't see the lady that was there, it wasn't even her bird.

00:37:37.372 --> 00:37:39.532
<v Shannon>She was watching the bird for the owners. Yeah.

00:37:39.972 --> 00:37:43.152
<v Shannon>But she worked there. It was just her working.

00:37:43.472 --> 00:37:47.692
<v Shannon>And as soon as she turned the corner and that macaw couldn't see her,

00:37:47.852 --> 00:37:53.372
<v Shannon>it just started squawking and going crazy.

00:37:53.912 --> 00:37:54.372
<v Greg>Yeah, yeah.

00:37:54.612 --> 00:37:59.752
<v Shannon>And I'm like, this is nuts. I mean, she had to bring it out so it could see.

00:38:00.012 --> 00:38:03.132
<v Greg>You need to bring that to like a behavioral specialist of which there are.

00:38:03.212 --> 00:38:04.292
<v Shannon>Oh, I'm sure there are.

00:38:04.552 --> 00:38:10.712
<v Greg>Stuff like that. I've gone down various different animal husbandry rabbit holes.

00:38:11.032 --> 00:38:11.512
<v Shannon>Yeah.

00:38:13.938 --> 00:38:18.758
<v Greg>You know, when I was a kid, I started with fish. Fish are, I think, horrible pets.

00:38:19.038 --> 00:38:19.678
<v Shannon>They are.

00:38:20.518 --> 00:38:24.018
<v Greg>It's a lot more work than you expect. You can't handle them.

00:38:24.278 --> 00:38:26.798
<v Shannon>No. All you can do is look at them.

00:38:26.918 --> 00:38:28.278
<v Greg>Is look at them. And they're neat to look at.

00:38:28.278 --> 00:38:29.798
<v Shannon>And then you have to clean their tanks.

00:38:29.858 --> 00:38:33.658
<v Greg>Yeah, and clean their tanks. There are reptiles that you don't touch,

00:38:33.738 --> 00:38:35.698
<v Greg>like a day gecko, you know, things like that.

00:38:36.318 --> 00:38:40.638
<v Greg>Day gecko is not going to attack you, but if you touch it, its skin will come off.

00:38:42.098 --> 00:38:47.518
<v Greg>It's a defense mechanism. it's not a good idea to like be handling some of these

00:38:47.518 --> 00:38:52.638
<v Greg>pets, but at least the cleaning is not as hard as it is a frigging aquarium.

00:38:52.958 --> 00:38:53.918
<v Shannon>I hate aquarium.

00:38:54.058 --> 00:38:57.978
<v Jeff>Lost them out of fish tank. It was just a battle. Could never get it to get

00:38:57.978 --> 00:39:01.178
<v Jeff>that balance where, you know, wasn't stinky all the time.

00:39:01.338 --> 00:39:04.078
<v Greg>Yeah. Yeah. I know you have to be, you have to have real good,

00:39:04.238 --> 00:39:09.538
<v Greg>like you have to pay for top of the line shit in order for your aquarium to be in good shape.

00:39:09.698 --> 00:39:12.718
<v Greg>And you can do it. You have to put a lot of effort into it and maintain it.

00:39:13.358 --> 00:39:17.958
<v Greg>But you can do it, but is that what you want to do?

00:39:18.498 --> 00:39:24.478
<v Shannon>No. I am so glad that we're on the same page, too, because I have a trauma from

00:39:24.478 --> 00:39:31.178
<v Shannon>my childhood with fish, so I don't want aquariums in my house. My brother was young.

00:39:31.378 --> 00:39:37.138
<v Shannon>He got a goldfish, and I came home from school, and I walked...

00:39:38.137 --> 00:39:44.737
<v Shannon>in the room i guess it was in my brother's room and anyways i stepped on something slimy.

00:39:44.737 --> 00:39:48.937
<v Greg>Oh no it jumped out it had jumped out and i.

00:39:48.937 --> 00:39:55.197
<v Shannon>Stepped on it with my bare foot i can't feel it today but i could 20 years ago

00:39:55.197 --> 00:40:00.377
<v Shannon>i mean it took me forever to get over that and but it wasn't dead.

00:40:00.377 --> 00:40:02.037
<v Greg>And we.

00:40:02.037 --> 00:40:05.097
<v Shannon>Put it back in the tank and then it had babies the next day.

00:40:05.097 --> 00:40:06.217
<v Greg>Oh wow you.

00:40:06.217 --> 00:40:08.897
<v Jeff>Saved its life you saved the life of a bunch of fishes.

00:40:08.897 --> 00:40:12.637
<v Greg>I saved goldfish can breathe air they,

00:40:13.317 --> 00:40:17.477
<v Greg>that's one of the reasons why they can survive in little tanks yeah they can

00:40:17.477 --> 00:40:21.837
<v Greg>just go to the top and just breathe air from they just pull into their swim

00:40:21.837 --> 00:40:25.777
<v Greg>bladder and it works great for them same with like betta fish that's why betta

00:40:25.777 --> 00:40:28.257
<v Greg>fish can live in those tiny little things because they can just breathe air,

00:40:30.297 --> 00:40:35.057
<v Greg>that said like I did have a goldfish that I probably got when I was I don't

00:40:35.057 --> 00:40:38.177
<v Greg>know seven and it lived eight years really yeah,

00:40:39.057 --> 00:40:46.037
<v Greg>happy happy happy my first pet and I didn't take their best care of it but that

00:40:46.037 --> 00:40:53.217
<v Greg>thing was it was happy it was unlike any other or the vast goldfish net it was a hearty little thing,

00:40:54.117 --> 00:40:58.577
<v Greg>and it lived in a bowl its whole life it got eventually got aeration and it

00:40:58.577 --> 00:41:02.177
<v Greg>got little decorations and stuff like that but it never did more than that but

00:41:02.177 --> 00:41:05.217
<v Greg>it lived sucker lived it is.

00:41:05.217 --> 00:41:07.317
<v Shannon>Yeah well if I walk.

00:41:07.317 --> 00:41:11.057
<v Greg>Past a goldfish you'll see me literally got it from a fair you.

00:41:11.057 --> 00:41:14.157
<v Shannon>Probably did when tossing the little ping pong ball.

00:41:14.157 --> 00:41:19.017
<v Greg>Yeah and it was like you know a feeder goldfish it was like you know it's like

00:41:19.017 --> 00:41:22.057
<v Greg>a hundredth of a cent or something.

00:41:23.677 --> 00:41:30.217
<v Jeff>Alright so we have the burial beer oh yeah of our beloved this is a barrel aged

00:41:30.217 --> 00:41:32.737
<v Jeff>golden ale with their wild cultures.

00:41:33.357 --> 00:41:39.657
<v Greg>It's 5.5 percent do you want me to read this yeah okay i mean.

00:41:39.657 --> 00:41:40.417
<v Shannon>You don't have to.

00:41:40.417 --> 00:41:41.197
<v Greg>I'm just you.

00:41:41.197 --> 00:41:43.857
<v Shannon>You sighed it's okay you don't have to i thought.

00:41:43.857 --> 00:41:46.197
<v Greg>I'm just saying because i don't i don't know what it says and i just i just

00:41:46.197 --> 00:41:48.877
<v Greg>i read the first line i was like okay is.

00:41:48.877 --> 00:41:49.677
<v Jeff>It like a stone.

00:41:49.677 --> 00:41:53.917
<v Greg>Label yeah yeah but but but i don't know how rambly it's going to be we'll see

00:41:53.917 --> 00:41:56.717
<v Greg>and and i'll decide about halfway through if i want to continue it,

00:41:57.632 --> 00:42:02.012
<v Greg>A thesis, so again, the name of it is Epitaph of Our Beloved,

00:42:02.112 --> 00:42:05.192
<v Greg>which burglarizes a lot of these, we've talked about it, they're weird names.

00:42:05.692 --> 00:42:09.612
<v Greg>A thesis on the subject of living matters. Stay among peace.

00:42:10.112 --> 00:42:15.872
<v Greg>Find yourself. Rest alongside this altar. It remains where you always need it.

00:42:16.472 --> 00:42:21.692
<v Greg>Our most personal expression of our wild program, the seventh and final panel

00:42:21.692 --> 00:42:25.732
<v Greg>to be unveiled, is indeed one that began right here, upon our dirt,

00:42:25.932 --> 00:42:28.032
<v Greg>in our first ever taproom's face.

00:42:28.352 --> 00:42:30.352
<v Greg>The simplest and most beloved indeed.

00:42:31.052 --> 00:42:37.732
<v Greg>This cuvee marks six long years of making this beautiful tale of death and rebirth.

00:42:38.592 --> 00:42:44.492
<v Greg>The product of our locale, this spontaneous beer was made with Asheville City water.

00:42:47.312 --> 00:42:49.532
<v Shannon>Asheville City flood water.

00:42:50.852 --> 00:42:58.352
<v Greg>Riverbend malt barley and wheat, house-aged hops, and the tidings of the air around us.

00:42:58.732 --> 00:43:03.492
<v Greg>Left to ferment in the open air beneath our taproom, pink trees,

00:43:04.312 --> 00:43:08.452
<v Greg>parentheses, across from the sloth and sellick mural, close parentheses.

00:43:09.792 --> 00:43:14.192
<v Greg>Each year, the beer rests for varying lengths of one to three years.

00:43:14.192 --> 00:43:19.272
<v Greg>The nose on this beer is special, filled with juicy white nectarine fuzz,

00:43:19.632 --> 00:43:23.552
<v Greg>whipped lemon curd, and noir-grown chenon blanc.

00:43:24.452 --> 00:43:26.372
<v Greg>I don't know if I pronounced any of that right.

00:43:27.332 --> 00:43:28.152
<v Shannon>Lemon curd?

00:43:28.272 --> 00:43:33.032
<v Greg>L-O-I-R-E, grown chenon, C-H-E-N-I-N.

00:43:33.212 --> 00:43:36.572
<v Greg>And I know what blanc is, but that's a wine, right?

00:43:37.012 --> 00:43:37.252
<v Shannon>Yeah.

00:43:37.392 --> 00:43:44.592
<v Greg>Grapes? The culture will continue its residency at burial by taking over our

00:43:44.592 --> 00:43:51.272
<v Greg>Brunello food, allowing us to offer you this three-year blend each year. Okay, that's not bad.

00:43:51.592 --> 00:43:56.092
<v Shannon>That was beautiful, Greg. Thank you so much. I'm so glad that you read that.

00:43:56.812 --> 00:43:59.392
<v Shannon>It's making me enjoy this beer so much more.

00:44:00.232 --> 00:44:01.152
<v Jeff>More sour.

00:44:01.712 --> 00:44:03.372
<v Greg>That's sort of the first thing I taste.

00:44:03.512 --> 00:44:03.932
<v Jeff>That's funny.

00:44:03.972 --> 00:44:04.932
<v Greg>That's a citric acid hit.

00:44:04.932 --> 00:44:09.052
<v Jeff>It's funny that they mention the sloth and selick mural it's painted on the

00:44:09.052 --> 00:44:12.472
<v Jeff>outside of the building it's sloth from goonies and tom selick with their arms

00:44:12.472 --> 00:44:16.232
<v Jeff>around each other have a picture of it somewhere i.

00:44:16.232 --> 00:44:20.372
<v Greg>Do not have a tom selick sound so i don't know what that would be.

00:44:20.372 --> 00:44:25.232
<v Jeff>I don't know they also have a black velvet painting of tom selick inside the tap room oh.

00:44:25.232 --> 00:44:33.592
<v Greg>They do so what was what was tom selick's tv show magnum pi magnum pi right.

00:44:35.214 --> 00:44:38.974
<v Jeff>Yeah, the aroma on this one didn't, wasn't very open, at least before.

00:44:39.354 --> 00:44:45.354
<v Jeff>But now, like, getting all these kind of, like, tart fruit flavors, like, uh...

00:44:45.354 --> 00:44:45.694
<v Shannon>Strawberry.

00:44:46.094 --> 00:44:46.534
<v Jeff>Kiwis.

00:44:47.574 --> 00:44:50.274
<v Shannon>Or actually, cherry. It's not cherry.

00:44:50.374 --> 00:44:54.174
<v Greg>I'm tasting cherry. I mean, there's so much citric acid that it's very Jolly Rancher-esque.

00:44:54.174 --> 00:44:56.174
<v Jeff>Yeah, it's playing around with the different kind of fruits.

00:44:56.354 --> 00:44:59.334
<v Jeff>So, like, I'm getting guava. But it...

00:44:59.334 --> 00:45:03.534
<v Greg>Like, I mean, you could very much simulate this by just getting some citric

00:45:03.534 --> 00:45:04.874
<v Greg>acid powder, which I do have at home.

00:45:05.214 --> 00:45:10.954
<v Greg>And like putting it into a beer and you get like a lot of that just hang right away.

00:45:11.714 --> 00:45:16.274
<v Greg>There are other things in here too, but I think those fruits were mostly picking

00:45:16.274 --> 00:45:18.054
<v Greg>up on them because of the citric acid.

00:45:18.474 --> 00:45:23.534
<v Jeff>Yeah, probably. I'm getting kind of like a, it's reminding me just overall is

00:45:23.534 --> 00:45:27.434
<v Jeff>like kind of a, I guess I was going to say cheesecake, but I guess it's more

00:45:27.434 --> 00:45:30.234
<v Jeff>specifically like a graham cracker crust kind of flavor that I'm getting from

00:45:30.234 --> 00:45:31.274
<v Jeff>the malts or something like that.

00:45:31.874 --> 00:45:34.454
<v Shannon>Oh, I'm going to try it again here.

00:45:34.454 --> 00:45:42.734
<v Greg>Okay i'm i'm going i'm i'm focusing my tongue microscope no searching for it.

00:45:42.734 --> 00:45:44.434
<v Shannon>I can taste it on.

00:45:44.434 --> 00:45:49.214
<v Greg>The back microscope that is that's a new one it's.

00:45:49.214 --> 00:45:49.774
<v Shannon>A good one though.

00:45:49.774 --> 00:45:56.394
<v Greg>It feels dirty to me even though it's not it could be i mean like i.

00:45:56.394 --> 00:45:59.734
<v Jeff>Mean if you use your tongue microscope good you get to find all the hard-to-find spots.

00:46:02.394 --> 00:46:07.194
<v Greg>But see, it's snakes that have tongue microscopes because they flick their thing

00:46:07.194 --> 00:46:08.894
<v Greg>around and then they pull it back.

00:46:08.954 --> 00:46:11.634
<v Greg>And it's not like a wet tongue like a dog. It's a dry tongue,

00:46:11.654 --> 00:46:15.294
<v Greg>but it collects chemicals and then they bring it back. They have an organ under

00:46:15.294 --> 00:46:20.274
<v Greg>their, like at the top of their mouth that then detects chemicals.

00:46:20.374 --> 00:46:24.114
<v Greg>That's why they're always flicking around because it's a sensory tool.

00:46:24.574 --> 00:46:27.514
<v Greg>But that is their tongue microscope for sure.

00:46:27.514 --> 00:46:32.034
<v Jeff>Do you know if it's directional like oh yeah that's why it's that's why it's.

00:46:32.674 --> 00:46:33.914
<v Greg>Spiked that's why it has two.

00:46:33.914 --> 00:46:37.794
<v Jeff>Oh okay so it kind of goes into two different things so they know left or right okay.

00:46:39.481 --> 00:46:40.841
<v Greg>Yeah, very, very sensitive.

00:46:42.921 --> 00:46:46.541
<v Jeff>Is it more than just left and right? Like, can they form, like,

00:46:46.681 --> 00:46:48.501
<v Jeff>an image of the environment?

00:46:48.541 --> 00:46:51.981
<v Greg>I mean, no one knows what a snake is, you know.

00:46:52.421 --> 00:46:56.921
<v Greg>We can do tests and stuff to determine that there is definitely a directionality

00:46:56.921 --> 00:47:00.241
<v Greg>that they can determine. And you will actually see their tongue sometimes go.

00:47:00.561 --> 00:47:05.601
<v Greg>That's one way you can tell a snake is not going to bite you or is not in any

00:47:05.601 --> 00:47:10.461
<v Greg>aggressive mood. If its tongue starts to go in, not straight out,

00:47:10.581 --> 00:47:14.821
<v Greg>but like flicks around the side a little bit, because then it's just more curious.

00:47:16.041 --> 00:47:20.881
<v Greg>You learn, I mean, when you have a snake, you start to learn how to read snakes

00:47:20.881 --> 00:47:24.941
<v Greg>or at least pythons and boas and stuff like that.

00:47:24.941 --> 00:47:32.001
<v Greg>I can read because I know what the general feeling is. And you can tell when

00:47:32.001 --> 00:47:36.821
<v Greg>they're stressed, when they're ready to strike, when they're hungry,

00:47:36.861 --> 00:47:39.521
<v Greg>and when they're just, what's going on? This is interesting.

00:47:41.181 --> 00:47:45.141
<v Greg>And that's the fun part. And I actually had, for me out today,

00:47:45.301 --> 00:47:50.741
<v Greg>when I was talking to my dad, and he had for me to crawl around on my face.

00:47:52.421 --> 00:47:56.081
<v Greg>And dad was like, you don't worry about that? I was like, I would so worry so

00:47:56.081 --> 00:48:01.561
<v Greg>much about Cody, which is my sister's dog, about being near my face than Fermi.

00:48:02.641 --> 00:48:06.101
<v Greg>Fermi is not at all. First of all, he's very comfortable around me.

00:48:06.181 --> 00:48:08.881
<v Greg>He knows that I'm not going to hurt him.

00:48:09.901 --> 00:48:12.321
<v Greg>And he might be a she, by the way. That's a different story.

00:48:12.481 --> 00:48:12.841
<v Shannon>Oh, yeah?

00:48:13.401 --> 00:48:17.461
<v Greg>It got large enough that spotted pythons don't really get that large unless

00:48:17.461 --> 00:48:18.621
<v Greg>they're female, I think.

00:48:18.861 --> 00:48:19.181
<v Shannon>Oh.

00:48:19.821 --> 00:48:20.061
<v Greg>But yeah.

00:48:20.992 --> 00:48:26.992
<v Greg>You know, like, yeah, it's not interested in me as food. It's interested in me as textures.

00:48:28.372 --> 00:48:34.212
<v Greg>And, yeah, so it's like, and I can also tell when it, like, I'm also holding it partially.

00:48:34.552 --> 00:48:37.372
<v Greg>It's not, Fermi's not getting tense.

00:48:37.812 --> 00:48:41.472
<v Greg>Like, not like really holding onto something strong.

00:48:41.712 --> 00:48:44.792
<v Greg>That's when the flicks are big

00:48:44.792 --> 00:48:49.792
<v Greg>and sort of long and varied, not like tiny little ones or stuff like that.

00:48:49.792 --> 00:48:53.632
<v Jeff>I mean, you know, she went through a phase, like, about the time you got her

00:48:53.632 --> 00:48:54.652
<v Jeff>where she was very young.

00:48:54.652 --> 00:48:59.112
<v Greg>Yeah, she knew environment. And I fully expect, you know, in a move that,

00:48:59.472 --> 00:49:01.652
<v Greg>like, I'm going to leave Firmary alone for, like, three weeks.

00:49:01.872 --> 00:49:05.092
<v Greg>Just get used to new smells, new environments.

00:49:05.332 --> 00:49:09.712
<v Jeff>But, like, you know, well before that, very Hannibal Allie had her crawling

00:49:09.712 --> 00:49:11.352
<v Jeff>on her glasses, you know, on her face.

00:49:11.472 --> 00:49:14.992
<v Greg>Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. When she was in a comfortable place and she knew the smells

00:49:14.992 --> 00:49:18.072
<v Greg>and she knew everything. Whatever it is.

00:49:18.652 --> 00:49:19.432
<v Shannon>They. They.

00:49:19.792 --> 00:49:21.552
<v Greg>It it's.

00:49:21.552 --> 00:49:25.272
<v Shannon>Just they're going through a change.

00:49:25.272 --> 00:49:30.652
<v Greg>Yeah when when they're comfy when sakes are comfy they're not at all interested

00:49:30.652 --> 00:49:36.672
<v Greg>in biting you it's just not their it's not their thing when they're not in food

00:49:36.672 --> 00:49:41.692
<v Greg>mode and they're not scared they're just curious or they're sleepy yeah.

00:49:42.472 --> 00:49:44.052
<v Shannon>And I keep yawning sorry.

00:49:44.052 --> 00:49:47.592
<v Jeff>It's alright we've had a busy week I am

00:49:47.592 --> 00:49:50.332
<v Jeff>really enjoying this beer now that I'm getting a little more used to the

00:49:50.332 --> 00:49:54.192
<v Jeff>sour i am you know you mentioned citric gossip before i swear i'm like pulling

00:49:54.192 --> 00:49:59.532
<v Jeff>out like not just like guava flavors but almost like the like some of the subtexts

00:49:59.532 --> 00:50:04.012
<v Jeff>of guava like a kind of a creaminess or something like that you know like a

00:50:04.012 --> 00:50:07.992
<v Jeff>probably better way to describe those are like front up front flavors of it.

00:50:07.992 --> 00:50:12.572
<v Greg>Sorry i want to look up something keep coming keep talking it's.

00:50:12.572 --> 00:50:16.312
<v Shannon>Very tart for me i really like it but.

00:50:16.312 --> 00:50:22.832
<v Greg>You mentioned you I know writers who use subtext, and they're all cowards.

00:50:27.872 --> 00:50:31.232
<v Greg>That's from Gareth Marenghi's Dark Place.

00:50:33.092 --> 00:50:37.152
<v Greg>It's hard to describe. It's a British series, like six episodes.

00:50:37.512 --> 00:50:42.592
<v Greg>Just watch it. It's so funny, so meta.

00:50:43.392 --> 00:50:48.632
<v Jeff>Really great. Will do. We had a good time watching. we haven't watched since

00:50:48.632 --> 00:50:53.232
<v Jeff>we've been doing the move stuff but we're catching up on a bunch of the oh I

00:50:53.232 --> 00:50:55.472
<v Jeff>watched Superman well the dropout episode oh.

00:50:55.472 --> 00:50:58.932
<v Greg>Did you watch the one I told you to watch yes or no okay,

00:51:00.293 --> 00:51:06.113
<v Greg>Yeah, yes or no is like peak, like, okay, I see what Brennan's character is.

00:51:07.073 --> 00:51:11.053
<v Jeff>We watched it, but I'm pretty sure you had us watch it one night here because we had seen it before.

00:51:11.173 --> 00:51:11.393
<v Greg>Really?

00:51:11.593 --> 00:51:15.053
<v Jeff>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we both have seen it before, but it was worth watching again.

00:51:15.653 --> 00:51:20.633
<v Jeff>Oh my gosh, some of those, like, some of the ones in, like, I'm having a hard

00:51:20.633 --> 00:51:25.153
<v Jeff>time thinking, but the one where they, uh, you had to spot the person who was drunk was so good.

00:51:25.493 --> 00:51:27.193
<v Shannon>Oh my gosh, that was great.

00:51:27.193 --> 00:51:28.253
<v Greg>That was such a fucking roteful.

00:51:28.273 --> 00:51:29.793
<v Jeff>Or The Secret Sober, The Secret Sober.

00:51:29.793 --> 00:51:35.653
<v Greg>The Serious Sober was great because of how they led it and then the rug pull

00:51:35.653 --> 00:51:37.873
<v Greg>at the end was just so well done.

00:51:38.493 --> 00:51:38.533
<v Shannon>It was fantastic.

00:51:38.693 --> 00:51:39.393
<v Greg>Yeah, yeah.

00:51:39.473 --> 00:51:42.933
<v Jeff>And we're not going to spoil exactly what it is. We'll let you discover that

00:51:42.933 --> 00:51:45.533
<v Jeff>on yourself. But get the Dropout app and watch it.

00:51:46.013 --> 00:51:46.733
<v Greg>Game Changer.

00:51:46.913 --> 00:51:49.453
<v Shannon>Game Changer, yeah. I couldn't think of it either.

00:51:49.573 --> 00:51:51.093
<v Jeff>I've been here the whole time.

00:51:51.213 --> 00:51:55.033
<v Shannon>The whole time. I think of that every time.

00:51:56.773 --> 00:52:03.853
<v Shannon>anything that comes up like you know I knew that the whole time I always say the whole time.

00:52:05.213 --> 00:52:10.213
<v Jeff>The one where I think it was the end of the season maybe it was like the last

00:52:10.213 --> 00:52:11.913
<v Jeff>question of the game was run oh.

00:52:11.913 --> 00:52:14.853
<v Greg>Yeah that was a Sam Says right.

00:52:14.853 --> 00:52:24.473
<v Jeff>Sam Says run and so they had to figure out what do I do to find the game here.

00:52:25.013 --> 00:52:27.973
<v Jeff>And Ali went all the way to New York City.

00:52:29.653 --> 00:52:30.553
<v Jeff>Across the country.

00:52:32.113 --> 00:52:34.873
<v Greg>That was great. I don't know if you've seen Escape the Green Room yet.

00:52:35.013 --> 00:52:36.273
<v Greg>Highly recommend that episode.

00:52:36.513 --> 00:52:40.153
<v Jeff>I haven't seen that one, I don't think. So, yeah, we started,

00:52:40.293 --> 00:52:43.193
<v Jeff>once we got on your app, we kind of started watching, going,

00:52:43.673 --> 00:52:47.073
<v Jeff>watched the most recent season, then kind of going backwards,

00:52:47.073 --> 00:52:50.553
<v Jeff>because we figured a lot of the older ones we've seen on YouTube already.

00:52:50.853 --> 00:52:53.813
<v Greg>Right, yeah, a lot of the first couple of seasons you've probably seen on YouTube

00:52:53.813 --> 00:52:57.913
<v Greg>and also you see how the concept has evolved,

00:52:58.493 --> 00:53:03.393
<v Greg>as you can see sort of and some of the ways in which it evolved from now where

00:53:03.393 --> 00:53:06.853
<v Greg>it's so much more about screwing with people and fucking people.

00:53:07.453 --> 00:53:11.333
<v Jeff>Watching the behind the scenes is really good. I didn't watch them for a while

00:53:11.333 --> 00:53:12.933
<v Jeff>and then I'm like oh these are so good.

00:53:14.773 --> 00:53:19.273
<v Jeff>Kind of is sad that there won't be any more Sam says but or probably won't be any.

00:53:19.273 --> 00:53:25.333
<v Greg>More Sam says. Probably won't be well I mean it's just it's a good yeah I don't know,

00:53:27.433 --> 00:53:33.053
<v Greg>what there won't be any more of is did you see the the one just from this season,

00:53:33.713 --> 00:53:36.653
<v Greg>where they had the things that they stuck on them in the wheel.

00:53:37.913 --> 00:53:39.313
<v Shannon>I don't think I've seen that one.

00:53:39.313 --> 00:53:43.373
<v Greg>Oh boy is it one of the newer ones we haven't.

00:53:43.373 --> 00:53:44.493
<v Jeff>Watched them in like a month.

00:53:44.493 --> 00:53:49.573
<v Greg>Oh okay yeah no there was one this season that is they won't be able to do it again,

00:53:52.244 --> 00:53:58.864
<v Greg>But, I mean, in theory they can do it again, but you just see it and you'll understand sort of why.

00:53:59.244 --> 00:54:05.144
<v Greg>But it was such a great idea and so well played.

00:54:05.944 --> 00:54:07.724
<v Greg>They had a big Price is Right wheel.

00:54:08.764 --> 00:54:13.744
<v Greg>And that gave them characteristics that they had to Velcro on them and then

00:54:13.744 --> 00:54:15.384
<v Greg>keep doing those characteristics.

00:54:15.744 --> 00:54:17.844
<v Greg>One of them was to do a Christopher Walken voice.

00:54:18.044 --> 00:54:18.504
<v Jeff>Oh, boy.

00:54:19.164 --> 00:54:20.044
<v Shannon>Oh, my God.

00:54:20.124 --> 00:54:21.284
<v Jeff>That's awesome. We'll have to watch that.

00:54:21.544 --> 00:54:21.684
<v Greg>Yeah.

00:54:21.884 --> 00:54:26.644
<v Jeff>What was the, so I saw on like YouTube shorts that where Brennan had announced

00:54:26.644 --> 00:54:31.844
<v Jeff>he was leaving Game Change, or leaving Dropout to do American Girl Dolls.

00:54:31.904 --> 00:54:37.224
<v Greg>Right. The most recent one was, was a kind of Shark Tank inspired thing where

00:54:37.224 --> 00:54:43.344
<v Greg>they pitched the, the, they pitch, they were getting pitches for the,

00:54:43.344 --> 00:54:44.744
<v Greg>what's the most viral video.

00:54:44.984 --> 00:54:50.364
<v Greg>And technically it's not over yet because they will get, they will choose the

00:54:50.364 --> 00:54:54.344
<v Greg>winner after a month and hasn't been a month yet but.

00:54:54.344 --> 00:54:58.764
<v Jeff>Okay yeah because i saw the viral video pop up and you know that i'm leaving

00:54:58.764 --> 00:55:04.084
<v Jeff>dropout like what and that's like you could tell it was a bit after like maybe

00:55:04.084 --> 00:55:07.504
<v Jeff>the first 15 20 seconds but it was a good bit,

00:55:08.244 --> 00:55:11.144
<v Jeff>oh the the one year later one was so good yeah.

00:55:11.144 --> 00:55:17.404
<v Greg>That came right after sam's history which was really funny yeah no like this

00:55:17.404 --> 00:55:18.984
<v Greg>season has been really pretty spectacular.

00:55:18.984 --> 00:55:24.764
<v Jeff>Yeah good stuff so on go on youtube and watch game changer and then when you

00:55:24.764 --> 00:55:25.844
<v Jeff>watch everything that's free

00:55:25.844 --> 00:55:29.204
<v Jeff>subscribe to the dropout app and watch the rest because it's so good or.

00:55:29.204 --> 00:55:34.304
<v Greg>Find a friend because dropout is okay with you sharing passwords for now yeah

00:55:34.304 --> 00:55:40.124
<v Greg>i mean they're they They like being a small little company that, like,

00:55:40.444 --> 00:55:45.524
<v Greg>they're really great to their, to their, both their performers and their crew.

00:55:45.744 --> 00:55:48.124
<v Greg>They gave everybody some...

00:55:49.426 --> 00:55:54.126
<v Greg>Last year, and they intended to continue to have some profit sharing as they've

00:55:54.126 --> 00:55:58.306
<v Greg>grown, they've they've they've marked.

00:55:58.586 --> 00:56:03.286
<v Greg>I'll tell you, here's a good example of how much they care and how much their

00:56:03.286 --> 00:56:04.606
<v Greg>fans like that they care.

00:56:05.946 --> 00:56:10.346
<v Greg>They change it so that they added a dollar to the subscription price.

00:56:10.506 --> 00:56:16.226
<v Greg>But everybody who is on the old subscription price keeps the old subscription price.

00:56:16.226 --> 00:56:19.946
<v Greg>and there were people who were like can I cancel and get the new subscription

00:56:19.946 --> 00:56:24.866
<v Greg>price because I want to give you guys the extra dollar oh wow yeah like there

00:56:24.866 --> 00:56:29.466
<v Greg>were a lot of people who were saying that huh I kept the well it's the yearly

00:56:29.466 --> 00:56:33.186
<v Greg>and it's like it's like 45 bucks for the year yeah wow.

00:56:33.186 --> 00:56:35.926
<v Jeff>That's nice yeah and you like watch everything.

00:56:35.926 --> 00:56:43.746
<v Greg>I watch Dimension 20 which is their live their live play role playing role you

00:56:43.746 --> 00:56:46.646
<v Greg>know Dungeons and Dragons and other role-playing game stuff.

00:56:46.946 --> 00:56:51.186
<v Greg>But yeah, I watch a lot of shows on there. Not every show, but I do watch a lot of their shows.

00:56:51.366 --> 00:56:56.286
<v Greg>And I like Smarty Pants. It can vary in its quality, but it can be good.

00:56:56.346 --> 00:56:59.866
<v Greg>I do like the new one, Parlor Room, where they play different tabletop games

00:56:59.866 --> 00:57:01.266
<v Greg>and you get an idea of what are good things.

00:57:01.326 --> 00:57:02.326
<v Jeff>You're spilling on your laptop there.

00:57:02.546 --> 00:57:07.846
<v Greg>Oh, it should be. Okay. I've never, some of them, I've never played like Taboo

00:57:07.846 --> 00:57:09.846
<v Greg>and I was like, oh wow, that looks like it'd be fun to play.

00:57:10.966 --> 00:57:12.406
<v Greg>They play like other more complicated

00:57:12.406 --> 00:57:15.346
<v Greg>ones, but they play like Taboo and Balderdash and you're like, oh.

00:57:15.786 --> 00:57:17.366
<v Shannon>Alderdash is one of our favorites.

00:57:17.506 --> 00:57:20.446
<v Jeff>We love to play that with, well, we play that with the family a lot and,

00:57:21.484 --> 00:57:28.264
<v Jeff>You know, it's fun, except my brother-in-law, he's not very good at the game,

00:57:28.324 --> 00:57:29.964
<v Jeff>so he'll go for, like, the easy jokes.

00:57:30.184 --> 00:57:32.504
<v Jeff>So he'll just write down the most absurd things.

00:57:33.004 --> 00:57:36.204
<v Jeff>And he never, ever does well, right? Because you can always pick his out.

00:57:36.784 --> 00:57:40.284
<v Jeff>So the second to last time— That's kind of the fun of playing. The second time— Like.

00:57:40.284 --> 00:57:45.564
<v Greg>When people drop, there was at least one player who just made the most absurd

00:57:45.564 --> 00:57:50.164
<v Greg>things because that was more funny than— Sometimes it's just not about winning. It's just about—.

00:57:50.164 --> 00:57:51.004
<v Shannon>About having fun.

00:57:51.004 --> 00:57:53.984
<v Jeff>But what we did was we all colluded against him. We're like,

00:57:54.144 --> 00:57:56.144
<v Jeff>okay, everybody pick Brian's answer.

00:57:56.584 --> 00:58:00.244
<v Jeff>And then he started out the game like not being absurd about it.

00:58:00.364 --> 00:58:02.404
<v Jeff>So like it wasn't obvious which answers were his.

00:58:02.724 --> 00:58:06.864
<v Jeff>So then we had to like introduce cheating. So like we had to give a cue when

00:58:06.864 --> 00:58:10.264
<v Jeff>we were reading Brian's answer out. So everyone knew to pick Brian's answer.

00:58:10.664 --> 00:58:12.944
<v Jeff>And then he won the game and he was so excited.

00:58:13.064 --> 00:58:15.884
<v Shannon>He was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe it was.

00:58:16.324 --> 00:58:20.504
<v Shannon>It was like the best day of his life. Aside from when he graduated with his

00:58:20.504 --> 00:58:22.664
<v Shannon>doctorate. I'm sure that was probably a better day.

00:58:22.844 --> 00:58:25.104
<v Shannon>But it was so funny because then.

00:58:27.084 --> 00:58:31.884
<v Jeff>And then I had to break. I actually felt bad because he was so excited about

00:58:31.884 --> 00:58:36.184
<v Jeff>winning that I had to tell him that we had colluded against him and cheated.

00:58:37.224 --> 00:58:42.504
<v Greg>Part of the game, man. Part of the game. But not like it. It looks like a lot

00:58:42.504 --> 00:58:44.604
<v Greg>of fun to play. And I'd like to play one of those games.

00:58:44.944 --> 00:58:45.824
<v Jeff>Taboo's good, too.

00:58:46.444 --> 00:58:49.944
<v Shannon>We have both. Oh, do we have Boulder Dash? Just your mom has.

00:58:49.944 --> 00:58:50.984
<v Jeff>My mom has Boulder Dash.

00:58:51.204 --> 00:58:51.304
<v Shannon>Yeah.

00:58:53.104 --> 00:58:56.224
<v Jeff>Timeless. The game's from the freaking 80s, and the words are still good.

00:58:56.264 --> 00:58:59.644
<v Shannon>They need to come up with a new one, though, like we talked about.

00:59:00.184 --> 00:59:02.284
<v Greg>Post show, let's bring out some taboo, and let's try it.

00:59:02.644 --> 00:59:04.644
<v Shannon>Oh, all the games are packed.

00:59:04.784 --> 00:59:08.744
<v Greg>All right. Well, sorry. Maybe we can pull out some taboo questions from our computers.

00:59:09.636 --> 00:59:13.956
<v Jeff>All right, so this is from Lone Pine Brewing in Portland, Maine,

00:59:14.196 --> 00:59:16.276
<v Jeff>from our trip up there several years ago.

00:59:16.556 --> 00:59:22.456
<v Jeff>This is their Oak Age Golden Strong. It is a barrel-aged 11.8%.

00:59:22.456 --> 00:59:23.216
<v Shannon>Wow.

00:59:24.356 --> 00:59:29.036
<v Jeff>This Bertanomyces permanent golden ale aged a year on oak.

00:59:29.616 --> 00:59:34.756
<v Greg>Yeah, these days, and this is not the only, this is not, from what I'm looking

00:59:34.756 --> 00:59:36.476
<v Greg>at, it's not necessarily their

00:59:36.476 --> 00:59:41.276
<v Greg>standard, but it is nice when it when a beer is just called what it is.

00:59:42.356 --> 00:59:44.416
<v Jeff>Bottled january 15 2022.

00:59:44.416 --> 00:59:51.416
<v Greg>11.8 like you said uh okay dark out with medium high acidity and sweet aromas

00:59:51.416 --> 00:59:57.136
<v Greg>they say a fruit punch and sangria what reminds me when i was in boston we went

00:59:57.136 --> 01:00:03.696
<v Greg>to a place that was i guess like a dominican restaurant okay then went there with my dad and got,

01:00:03.836 --> 01:00:06.236
<v Greg>I was looking at, there's lots of really cool stuff on there.

01:00:06.316 --> 01:00:10.676
<v Greg>But when I saw that there was a, what was it? It was a lamb stew.

01:00:10.676 --> 01:00:13.496
<v Greg>I was like, oh yeah, give me some of that.

01:00:13.596 --> 01:00:17.696
<v Greg>Like, cause that's going to have all the cool spices and all the stuff and traditional stuff.

01:00:17.776 --> 01:00:21.596
<v Greg>And then my dad wasn't, didn't want, and it was goat stew. I got a goat.

01:00:21.736 --> 01:00:22.616
<v Greg>My dad didn't want a goat.

01:00:22.736 --> 01:00:22.896
<v Shannon>Okay.

01:00:23.056 --> 01:00:26.476
<v Greg>But then I said, there's an oxtail stew. I said, I don't want ox.

01:00:26.536 --> 01:00:28.336
<v Greg>I said, no, oxtail is just a cow's tail.

01:00:29.536 --> 01:00:31.996
<v Greg>It's fine. You'll be fine. And he got that.

01:00:32.376 --> 01:00:34.596
<v Shannon>We were just driving back.

01:00:34.596 --> 01:00:37.776
<v Jeff>Yeah, there's a place over in Penn Hills on Rye Road, the food truck, food trailer.

01:00:38.076 --> 01:00:44.756
<v Jeff>There's a new place called Steel Goat. And it's kind of a marketplace for like

01:00:44.756 --> 01:00:46.116
<v Jeff>small businesses kind of thing.

01:00:46.316 --> 01:00:49.256
<v Jeff>And yeah, there's a food truck there. It was an oxtail, something or another,

01:00:49.396 --> 01:00:50.696
<v Jeff>probably a barbecue place or something.

01:00:50.956 --> 01:00:51.696
<v Shannon>It was. It was.

01:00:53.476 --> 01:00:55.736
<v Jeff>I don't know. We'll have to go check it out sometime.

01:00:56.156 --> 01:00:57.616
<v Shannon>I'm trying to think of what was...

01:00:58.965 --> 01:01:01.565
<v Greg>But the reason why this reminded me of it was because we also had the sangria

01:01:01.565 --> 01:01:04.385
<v Greg>as a drink that was there. And it was interesting.

01:01:04.585 --> 01:01:07.885
<v Greg>It was a little sweeter than I would have expected, but it was good.

01:01:08.465 --> 01:01:12.745
<v Jeff>The aroma on this one is hard to place. I mean, sweet-ish.

01:01:13.505 --> 01:01:13.905
<v Shannon>Oh.

01:01:14.005 --> 01:01:15.025
<v Greg>There's a honey thing on there.

01:01:15.145 --> 01:01:15.565
<v Jeff>Did you get that? Honey.

01:01:15.725 --> 01:01:17.205
<v Shannon>Yes, definitely honey.

01:01:18.265 --> 01:01:22.085
<v Jeff>That's it. Like honey, kind of honey and toffee or honey and...

01:01:22.085 --> 01:01:23.885
<v Jeff>Yeah, toffee. I go to toffee.

01:01:24.825 --> 01:01:26.625
<v Greg>Yeah, a little kind of peanut brittle-ish.

01:01:27.525 --> 01:01:28.805
<v Shannon>Mm-hmm. Yeah.

01:01:30.505 --> 01:01:34.665
<v Jeff>Flavors weird tastes like my first thing i get is malto have you ever had malto

01:01:34.665 --> 01:01:37.885
<v Jeff>kind of the barley malt soda from like south america yes.

01:01:37.885 --> 01:01:39.925
<v Greg>I have yeah yeah.

01:01:39.925 --> 01:01:44.165
<v Jeff>Yeah but malto is more wordy it tastes like a wort almost yeah but this has

01:01:44.165 --> 01:01:46.665
<v Jeff>those flavors to it is kind of not.

01:01:46.665 --> 01:01:50.825
<v Greg>Not as much to me no i'm getting more of again the honey thing coming along

01:01:50.825 --> 01:01:53.225
<v Greg>it's also pretty high in alcohol so this is the first It's one that,

01:01:53.225 --> 01:01:55.625
<v Greg>you know, is really like, ooh, is high.

01:01:55.885 --> 01:01:59.165
<v Greg>But not, it's not particularly viscous.

01:01:59.665 --> 01:02:03.445
<v Greg>So it's not that, it's just that, ooh, right away you feel the hit of,

01:02:03.585 --> 01:02:04.925
<v Greg>okay, that's a lot of alcohol.

01:02:05.165 --> 01:02:08.625
<v Jeff>It's almost a little spicy. It's from the alcohol. The alcohol is kind of coming

01:02:08.625 --> 01:02:12.785
<v Jeff>across a touch spicy to me. Almost like a hot honey.

01:02:12.965 --> 01:02:19.145
<v Greg>There is, yeah, there is like a, I think almost either a coriander hit,

01:02:19.305 --> 01:02:25.445
<v Greg>like powder coriander, or the other one that's really strong that I can't think of.

01:02:25.545 --> 01:02:26.325
<v Shannon>Like a clove?

01:02:27.425 --> 01:02:31.205
<v Greg>No, it's, you want to use an Indian cardamom thing? Oh, yeah.

01:02:32.105 --> 01:02:33.705
<v Greg>Yeah, there's a cardamom thing going on here.

01:02:33.725 --> 01:02:34.785
<v Jeff>Yeah, it could be a little bit, yeah.

01:02:35.771 --> 01:02:40.011
<v Jeff>It's good. It's, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I know you don't taste the Malta

01:02:40.011 --> 01:02:43.551
<v Jeff>as much. I think it has a kind of that wordy kind of flavor mixed with honey.

01:02:44.471 --> 01:02:49.111
<v Greg>I taste it underneath there, but it's not as wordy. Like, I remember there was

01:02:49.111 --> 01:02:52.091
<v Greg>a beer, maybe it was last show or the show before, that was really wordy.

01:02:52.191 --> 01:02:57.411
<v Greg>And I really enjoyed that it was so wordy that it was like that smell that you

01:02:57.411 --> 01:02:58.591
<v Greg>get when you go into a brewery.

01:02:58.691 --> 01:03:01.931
<v Greg>And it smells like just like malted barley.

01:03:02.211 --> 01:03:02.411
<v Shannon>Yeah.

01:03:03.291 --> 01:03:09.251
<v Greg>Like and I just in like drink form and like it was like something about that

01:03:09.251 --> 01:03:13.451
<v Greg>is really enticing to me it's not not the most enticing thing in the world but

01:03:13.451 --> 01:03:16.671
<v Greg>it's very I don't know comforting.

01:03:18.411 --> 01:03:24.031
<v Jeff>I like this yeah it's it's kind of a drink it slow kind of thing at 11.5% definitely

01:03:24.031 --> 01:03:28.911
<v Jeff>they call it dark ale that's his golden ale in the bottle yeah okay golden strong,

01:03:29.491 --> 01:03:31.871
<v Jeff>maybe they have a similar one no,

01:03:32.471 --> 01:03:34.691
<v Jeff>Oh, they call the golden strong a dark ale?

01:03:34.771 --> 01:03:34.971
<v Greg>Yeah.

01:03:35.231 --> 01:03:35.891
<v Jeff>Oh, okay.

01:03:37.071 --> 01:03:44.591
<v Greg>I guess it's darker than like a strong color. It's much more in the bronze area.

01:03:44.851 --> 01:03:48.031
<v Jeff>It's funny, going through all the summaries and transcripts and everything,

01:03:48.351 --> 01:03:50.091
<v Jeff>kind of, you remember these things.

01:03:50.291 --> 01:03:51.031
<v Greg>Dark ale.

01:03:51.271 --> 01:03:52.751
<v Jeff>Oh, wild. Okay.

01:03:53.631 --> 01:03:54.091
<v Shannon>Huh.

01:03:54.331 --> 01:03:56.431
<v Jeff>That's a cut and paste mistake right there.

01:03:56.551 --> 01:03:57.411
<v Greg>Maybe, I don't know.

01:03:57.651 --> 01:03:58.411
<v Shannon>Oh, that could be.

01:03:59.351 --> 01:04:04.351
<v Jeff>Remember the time we got that micro craft brewing board game that we tried to play?

01:04:05.311 --> 01:04:08.191
<v Jeff>Where you, like, make your own beers and try to sell them and stuff?

01:04:08.451 --> 01:04:10.471
<v Greg>Yes. Yes, I do.

01:04:10.851 --> 01:04:15.751
<v Jeff>Came across, like, the summary for that show. It was like, wow,

01:04:15.971 --> 01:04:17.731
<v Jeff>forgot completely about that.

01:04:17.991 --> 01:04:22.191
<v Jeff>And then also looking through the beer list, like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, we did that.

01:04:22.831 --> 01:04:23.271
<v Shannon>Yeah.

01:04:24.277 --> 01:04:29.337
<v Jeff>And things like there were kind of bigger things we did, which I hadn't thought about in forever.

01:04:29.497 --> 01:04:32.497
<v Jeff>Like when we went up to Shoebrew and did that whole vertical epic tasting.

01:04:32.957 --> 01:04:37.017
<v Greg>Yep. No, I remember that. That was also when I brought mealworms for everyone to eat.

01:04:38.617 --> 01:04:39.057
<v Shannon>Mealworms?

01:04:39.217 --> 01:04:42.337
<v Greg>Yeah, like dried mealworms. But why?

01:04:42.657 --> 01:04:43.877
<v Jeff>It's food. Just eat it.

01:04:44.157 --> 01:04:44.457
<v Shannon>No.

01:04:44.917 --> 01:04:46.957
<v Greg>I mean, you eat seafood?

01:04:47.537 --> 01:04:49.097
<v Shannon>I'm not going to eat mealworms.

01:04:49.657 --> 01:04:51.277
<v Jeff>She ain't going to eat mealworms.

01:04:51.537 --> 01:04:51.817
<v Shannon>No.

01:04:52.337 --> 01:04:53.137
<v Jeff>Next subject.

01:04:53.137 --> 01:04:57.457
<v Shannon>I eat a lot of seafood and, you know, crazy stuff, but.

01:04:57.617 --> 01:04:58.497
<v Greg>Crabs and.

01:04:58.837 --> 01:04:59.377
<v Shannon>Yeah.

01:04:59.617 --> 01:05:01.917
<v Greg>Lobsters and shrimp. All.

01:05:02.377 --> 01:05:03.057
<v Shannon>I know.

01:05:03.197 --> 01:05:05.337
<v Greg>Part of the pan crustacea.

01:05:05.517 --> 01:05:05.657
<v Shannon>Yeah.

01:05:05.957 --> 01:05:06.177
<v Greg>Yeah.

01:05:06.437 --> 01:05:08.657
<v Shannon>All the dirty things that we're not supposed to eat.

01:05:09.097 --> 01:05:13.137
<v Greg>But the mealworms are just smaller little shrimp.

01:05:14.037 --> 01:05:17.357
<v Greg>They're land shrimp. Tiny land shrimp. Crawfish.

01:05:17.937 --> 01:05:19.397
<v Shannon>I don't eat crawfish either.

01:05:19.597 --> 01:05:19.997
<v Greg>You don't eat crawfish.

01:05:20.277 --> 01:05:20.677
<v Shannon>No.

01:05:21.217 --> 01:05:27.017
<v Greg>I love crawfish. I mean, they're annoying because they're small.

01:05:27.477 --> 01:05:29.957
<v Greg>You don't get a lot of meat out of them, but they are tasty.

01:05:30.717 --> 01:05:32.597
<v Greg>I love crabs. Oh, I love crabs.

01:05:32.677 --> 01:05:33.277
<v Shannon>I love crabs.

01:05:34.257 --> 01:05:36.937
<v Jeff>This is the Lone Pine Oak Age Golden Straw.

01:05:37.677 --> 01:05:38.837
<v Shannon>It's very delightful.

01:05:39.577 --> 01:05:41.257
<v Jeff>Do you believe we still have beers from our Portland trip?

01:05:42.777 --> 01:05:45.237
<v Shannon>We're going to have to go back when we run out.

01:05:45.577 --> 01:05:45.957
<v Jeff>We are.

01:05:46.777 --> 01:05:50.297
<v Greg>One thing that's interesting is next year, it's looking like,

01:05:50.377 --> 01:05:52.937
<v Greg>and it's not certain, But it's looking like I may be going,

01:05:53.177 --> 01:05:57.157
<v Greg>because instead of going to Cape Cod after my mother passed,

01:05:57.277 --> 01:06:00.597
<v Greg>it's looking more like we're going to change our tune, at least this year,

01:06:00.797 --> 01:06:03.837
<v Greg>next year, and go to Rome.

01:06:04.217 --> 01:06:05.197
<v Jeff>Oh, nice.

01:06:06.377 --> 01:06:07.657
<v Greg>So that'll be interesting.

01:06:07.897 --> 01:06:08.497
<v Jeff>That's cool.

01:06:08.577 --> 01:06:09.157
<v Shannon>Very nice.

01:06:09.197 --> 01:06:09.977
<v Jeff>Hang out with the Pope.

01:06:11.237 --> 01:06:12.817
<v Greg>I don't know if we're going to Vatican City.

01:06:14.977 --> 01:06:19.417
<v Greg>one thing that my dad and I are totally totally when we talked about it we were

01:06:19.417 --> 01:06:25.237
<v Greg>like both really interested was checking out Pompeii that'd be so cool yeah yeah,

01:06:26.477 --> 01:06:30.617
<v Greg>Lots of awesome ancient shit there.

01:06:31.757 --> 01:06:34.677
<v Jeff>I've never really thought about going to Rome.

01:06:34.977 --> 01:06:39.037
<v Jeff>I mean, part of it I know is it's like New York City, super built up.

01:06:39.217 --> 01:06:44.757
<v Jeff>But around there and also in the city is some of the oldest history kind of stuff.

01:06:44.977 --> 01:06:50.017
<v Jeff>So you could probably make it cool without falling into what the average person does.

01:06:50.017 --> 01:06:53.977
<v Greg>Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, it would be me, my father, my sister,

01:06:54.277 --> 01:06:59.117
<v Greg>my brother-in-law, and maybe my niece and nephew as well.

01:06:59.257 --> 01:07:02.557
<v Greg>So that would be the people who would be there.

01:07:03.117 --> 01:07:08.977
<v Greg>And so not a, you know, not a huge contingent of people and relatively easy to figure out.

01:07:09.177 --> 01:07:13.337
<v Greg>I would certainly do any extra cooking that we do, but we'd probably do a lot of restaurants.

01:07:13.637 --> 01:07:14.217
<v Shannon>Oh, yeah.

01:07:14.217 --> 01:07:19.697
<v Greg>When I was at In Boston I got better and better I'm still not perfect at it

01:07:19.697 --> 01:07:24.517
<v Greg>But I got better and better At my smash burger technique Okay So Still gotta

01:07:24.517 --> 01:07:30.417
<v Greg>work on it Still a work in progress But Getting better I do think that smash burgers Are,

01:07:31.097 --> 01:07:35.437
<v Greg>Kind of the best burgers Oh they are They definitely.

01:07:35.437 --> 01:07:40.457
<v Jeff>Are I mean You can have A classic burger With ridiculous toppings.

01:07:40.457 --> 01:07:41.397
<v Greg>And those.

01:07:41.397 --> 01:07:47.397
<v Jeff>Are good What? did we just no the the home automation just thought the light

01:07:47.397 --> 01:07:53.257
<v Jeff>was left on unnecessarily okay started to turn it off so anyway we.

01:07:53.257 --> 01:07:54.697
<v Greg>Just lost the light just turned off.

01:07:54.697 --> 01:07:57.477
<v Jeff>We had a we had last year we had a thing

01:07:57.477 --> 01:08:00.097
<v Jeff>where stuff was going crazy and i had to

01:08:00.097 --> 01:08:04.537
<v Jeff>go right after we got back from i had to go in and like delete like all the

01:08:04.537 --> 01:08:09.017
<v Jeff>smart sequences and stuff because one of them was just the cloud right one of

01:08:09.017 --> 01:08:12.237
<v Jeff>them was just run amok in the cloud and lights were turning off all the time

01:08:12.237 --> 01:08:18.037
<v Jeff>on it was crazy i i'd be sitting in the living room and the light would just come on and then it.

01:08:18.037 --> 01:08:20.197
<v Shannon>Would go off and then another one would come on.

01:08:20.197 --> 01:08:24.697
<v Jeff>I thought it was like the iot broker or something got our account confused with

01:08:24.697 --> 01:08:27.697
<v Jeff>somebody else so someone else somewhere was calling a command out and our lights

01:08:27.697 --> 01:08:30.617
<v Jeff>were turning on and off that's what i thought was happening but when i deleted

01:08:30.617 --> 01:08:33.237
<v Jeff>all the automations it stopped so this.

01:08:33.237 --> 01:08:36.057
<v Greg>Is one of those things that you know that that people who rely more and more

01:08:36.057 --> 01:08:41.057
<v Greg>on ai are finding out is that i will just decide to do shit you You know what, like,

01:08:41.437 --> 01:08:47.357
<v Greg>my friend was making something that was doing, and he had to do a bunch of error,

01:08:47.377 --> 01:08:50.397
<v Greg>like, unit tests to do stuff.

01:08:50.517 --> 01:08:54.237
<v Greg>And one of the unit tests, when he came back, it said, because it was failing

01:08:54.237 --> 01:08:57.697
<v Greg>a lot of unit tests. And so it said, okay, well, I decided to skip these unit tests, so now it's good.

01:08:59.017 --> 01:09:04.917
<v Greg>It's like, even if you tell it explicitly not to, you know, it will just.

01:09:04.917 --> 01:09:08.737
<v Jeff>There's a story that someone posted, found on some tech blog or something,

01:09:08.917 --> 01:09:14.837
<v Jeff>where apparently AI had access to the production database and just thought it

01:09:14.837 --> 01:09:18.397
<v Jeff>was beneficial to delete the database.

01:09:18.717 --> 01:09:18.837
<v Greg>Mm-hmm.

01:09:19.857 --> 01:09:24.117
<v Greg>I think they managed to, that's why I make backups.

01:09:26.457 --> 01:09:33.497
<v Greg>Well, there has been situations at work where like, especially a smaller company

01:09:33.497 --> 01:09:37.017
<v Greg>doesn't necessarily have the most secure shit all the time.

01:09:37.097 --> 01:09:39.737
<v Greg>And so like a ransomware thing hits, but you got to back up.

01:09:39.857 --> 01:09:40.997
<v Greg>So it doesn't really matter.

01:09:41.717 --> 01:09:44.737
<v Jeff>Name our, name our AI, little Tommy drop tables.

01:09:46.177 --> 01:09:47.717
<v Greg>Tommy drop tables.

01:09:47.997 --> 01:09:56.137
<v Jeff>Call back to an XKCD. xk cd yeah there's an old xk cd where you know it was basically it's.

01:09:56.137 --> 01:09:57.797
<v Greg>A comic script for nerds.

01:09:57.797 --> 01:10:04.857
<v Jeff>Yeah but the joke was you know making sure that your school has you know good

01:10:04.857 --> 01:10:10.417
<v Jeff>input sanitization right so they named their son tommy drop tables semicolon

01:10:10.417 --> 01:10:15.417
<v Jeff>yes yes or tommy semicolon drop tables or something when.

01:10:15.417 --> 01:10:19.137
<v Greg>You're using databases like that semicolons generally,

01:10:21.177 --> 01:10:24.097
<v Greg>say the end of a statement and new statements continue afterwards.

01:10:24.417 --> 01:10:30.817
<v Greg>So if you aren't properly sanitizing your data, then you can induce what's called SQL injection,

01:10:31.777 --> 01:10:36.737
<v Greg>and cause your, by entering in something into like a form on a website,

01:10:37.197 --> 01:10:42.257
<v Greg>cause it to do crazy stuff because that's what the whole SQL injection is.

01:10:42.537 --> 01:10:44.057
<v Greg>That's what the joke is about.

01:10:44.157 --> 01:10:48.897
<v Jeff>Yeah, so if your kid's name was TommyDroptables and their database wasn't set

01:10:48.897 --> 01:10:52.337
<v Jeff>up right, putting his name in could have deleted the database.

01:10:52.357 --> 01:10:55.317
<v Greg>Because it had a semicolon and drop tables. Oh, drop everything.

01:10:55.997 --> 01:10:56.557
<v Shannon>Jeez.

01:10:57.617 --> 01:10:58.717
<v Jeff>It's a good old joke.

01:10:59.217 --> 01:11:00.777
<v Greg>So this is oxtail?

01:11:00.857 --> 01:11:01.617
<v Jeff>This is oxbow.

01:11:01.737 --> 01:11:02.257
<v Shannon>Oxbow.

01:11:02.697 --> 01:11:03.457
<v Jeff>Oxbow. Oxtoral.

01:11:05.237 --> 01:11:07.417
<v Greg>Stainless-age farmhouse ale,

01:11:07.717 --> 01:11:13.577
<v Greg>mixed fermentation saison, brewed with 100% main-grown ingredients, 5.5%.

01:11:13.577 --> 01:11:14.377
<v Shannon>It's got to be great.

01:11:14.557 --> 01:11:19.337
<v Jeff>Keep cool and dark. comes in a green bottle enjoy this within five years well.

01:11:19.337 --> 01:11:20.057
<v Shannon>It's only been.

01:11:21.697 --> 01:11:28.597
<v Jeff>First thing i smell was skunk stop banging on the table uh-oh well maybe it's

01:11:28.597 --> 01:11:34.197
<v Jeff>a saison maybe it's a saison i think i think it's an expectation that's that's

01:11:34.197 --> 01:11:37.537
<v Jeff>why that's why it's in a green bottle but it's it is slightly light struck,

01:11:38.624 --> 01:11:43.084
<v Jeff>But there is other things in there, too. So, Shannon, brewers will...

01:11:43.084 --> 01:11:45.924
<v Jeff>Green bottles aren't good for keeping beer from getting scumped.

01:11:46.664 --> 01:11:48.344
<v Jeff>UV light can get in there and...

01:11:48.344 --> 01:11:48.804
<v Shannon>Okay.

01:11:49.184 --> 01:11:52.604
<v Greg>You can listen to one, an early episode, but I remember a lot of it.

01:11:52.644 --> 01:11:54.364
<v Jeff>Now that we have summaries, we can find it.

01:11:54.604 --> 01:11:59.664
<v Greg>Which is that there's a photilic reaction that occurs when photons hit a certain...

01:11:59.664 --> 01:12:05.824
<v Greg>It's an isoprenal mercaptan that is created when... So, hops.

01:12:07.344 --> 01:12:12.744
<v Greg>hops that are used in stuff E-L-I-5, Greg, E-L-I-5 hops that are used in beer

01:12:12.744 --> 01:12:18.164
<v Greg>they have sulfury compounds and stuff those are things that give it all the flavors and,

01:12:19.344 --> 01:12:23.024
<v Greg>antimicrobial properties and other stuff that hops are used for it online there

01:12:23.024 --> 01:12:28.464
<v Greg>is a, when you boil them they do something called when you cook certain proteins

01:12:28.464 --> 01:12:31.984
<v Greg>and certain things they do something called isomerize, they slightly change their configuration,

01:12:33.364 --> 01:12:38.604
<v Greg>and one of the things that comes out of the change configuration of hops,

01:12:38.964 --> 01:12:41.844
<v Greg>which are humulus, something like that.

01:12:42.104 --> 01:12:42.704
<v Jeff>Isohumulon.

01:12:42.984 --> 01:12:48.004
<v Greg>Isohumulon is the name of the compound. The compound, when it gets hit by a

01:12:48.004 --> 01:12:49.844
<v Greg>certain energy of light,

01:12:50.204 --> 01:12:58.264
<v Greg>can break off a radical, a part of it, that will then find other, in the solution,

01:12:59.124 --> 01:13:04.704
<v Greg>find other sulfur compounds and create this isoprenyl mercaptan.

01:13:04.804 --> 01:13:09.164
<v Greg>Now, mercaptans are really aromatic sulfur compounds that they use,

01:13:09.224 --> 01:13:14.324
<v Greg>for example, in natural gas to make sure you can smell them because natural gas is odorless.

01:13:14.404 --> 01:13:18.164
<v Greg>But also, it's very, very similar to the smells that skunk make.

01:13:18.584 --> 01:13:19.304
<v Shannon>Mm-hmm.

01:13:19.744 --> 01:13:26.684
<v Greg>Or smells that come off of other similarly, like cousins of the hot plants, such as marijuana.

01:13:27.084 --> 01:13:27.624
<v Shannon>Mm-hmm.

01:13:28.807 --> 01:13:32.427
<v Greg>That is what happens. That's what light striking does to create.

01:13:32.727 --> 01:13:36.207
<v Greg>That's why light causes that to happen. If you didn't hit it with light,

01:13:36.387 --> 01:13:41.387
<v Greg>it wouldn't have that chemical reaction that then causes the whole cascade.

01:13:42.387 --> 01:13:47.027
<v Greg>Brown glass is really good at keeping out the light. Green glass, not so much.

01:13:48.647 --> 01:13:52.667
<v Greg>It's the higher energy light that generally does it. And brown keeps a lot of

01:13:52.667 --> 01:13:53.667
<v Greg>the higher energy light out.

01:13:53.887 --> 01:13:56.727
<v Greg>Green, not as much. And so you get some of the light struck.

01:13:56.727 --> 01:13:59.167
<v Shannon>We should have kept that in a brown paper bag.

01:13:59.407 --> 01:14:00.707
<v Jeff>It's been in the fridge for a while.

01:14:00.727 --> 01:14:00.827
<v Shannon>I know.

01:14:01.027 --> 01:14:04.107
<v Jeff>The light striking is from it sitting on the shelf before.

01:14:04.487 --> 01:14:04.927
<v Shannon>Yeah.

01:14:05.007 --> 01:14:08.147
<v Greg>But the weird thing is that there's a tradition in the Saison making,

01:14:08.167 --> 01:14:12.727
<v Greg>because like the very first Saisons and like the archetypal Saison,

01:14:13.367 --> 01:14:18.727
<v Greg>Saison DuPont, is always in green bottles because they actually think that some

01:14:18.727 --> 01:14:22.567
<v Greg>of that adds a character, some of that skunking adds a character to the beer.

01:14:22.627 --> 01:14:23.087
<v Shannon>Oh, okay.

01:14:23.367 --> 01:14:26.347
<v Jeff>So that's, they did it in homage to that.

01:14:27.347 --> 01:14:31.627
<v Jeff>So Oxbow did it an homage to Cezanne DuPont. You know, you probably won't find

01:14:31.627 --> 01:14:35.127
<v Jeff>any other beer from Oxbow in green bottles. Right. Except for ones that are

01:14:35.127 --> 01:14:36.087
<v Jeff>supposed to be like this.

01:14:36.847 --> 01:14:37.107
<v Shannon>Yeah.

01:14:38.027 --> 01:14:44.527
<v Jeff>But it does have that vibe, right? There's that kind of, how do I want to, how do I?

01:14:46.287 --> 01:14:49.547
<v Greg>You said the first one is chalky. This one has a lot of chalk to it, too.

01:14:50.967 --> 01:14:54.007
<v Jeff>I'm getting. I'm just not getting much out of it at all.

01:14:54.027 --> 01:14:56.067
<v Jeff>I'm getting a lot of spicy hops, getting a little bit of funk.

01:14:56.067 --> 01:15:00.327
<v Jeff>I'm getting a little bit of that light strike which I'm having a hard time putting an actual word to.

01:15:01.387 --> 01:15:05.527
<v Greg>It's um I feel like it's kind of a controlled rot,

01:15:07.847 --> 01:15:15.107
<v Greg>it's it's got a little bit of like like a little flare of rot it's almost like

01:15:15.107 --> 01:15:18.607
<v Greg>the I think I would call it the equivalent of gaminess and meat,

01:15:19.567 --> 01:15:25.627
<v Greg>it's kind of a okay almost like metallic thing in vegetable stuff.

01:15:26.647 --> 01:15:28.547
<v Jeff>It's not the best thing we've had from oxbow.

01:15:28.547 --> 01:15:32.887
<v Shannon>No not at all actually i think it's the worst thing we've had from oxbow.

01:15:32.887 --> 01:15:36.587
<v Greg>It's also pretty high in carbonation yeah.

01:15:36.587 --> 01:15:39.227
<v Jeff>I think that helps scrub the skunk off your tongue.

01:15:39.227 --> 01:15:45.307
<v Greg>Maybe yeah there is i feel like there's a little bit of brett in here too yeah.

01:15:45.307 --> 01:15:46.067
<v Jeff>It says brett.

01:15:46.067 --> 01:15:49.687
<v Greg>They said mixed fermentation so like there's brett there's lacto,

01:15:49.747 --> 01:15:52.787
<v Greg>there's PDO, there's yeah.

01:15:53.607 --> 01:15:53.867
<v Shannon>What?

01:15:55.187 --> 01:16:02.047
<v Greg>It tastes saizade, I'll give them that, but I think that sometimes you're hewn

01:16:02.047 --> 01:16:05.107
<v Greg>too close to tradition and you get something that just isn't that great.

01:16:06.792 --> 01:16:10.052
<v Greg>I don't know how much you paid for it, but probably too much.

01:16:10.552 --> 01:16:16.992
<v Shannon>Who knows? That was the trip. We barely fit everything in the car to come home.

01:16:17.352 --> 01:16:19.412
<v Jeff>All right. I guess it's time to rank.

01:16:19.732 --> 01:16:21.132
<v Greg>Guess it is time to rank.

01:16:21.612 --> 01:16:22.792
<v Jeff>No shit.

01:16:23.112 --> 01:16:26.912
<v Greg>Not like one of our more impressive shows.

01:16:27.012 --> 01:16:27.992
<v Shannon>No, not at all.

01:16:29.072 --> 01:16:33.812
<v Greg>Not that there weren't some good beers here. I think that there's a standout

01:16:33.812 --> 01:16:37.512
<v Greg>to me and then the rest are...

01:16:39.852 --> 01:16:44.792
<v Greg>The rest are just kind of hard to pick. I'm having a tough time.

01:16:44.812 --> 01:16:49.472
<v Jeff>I got three that are gooder and three that are badder.

01:16:50.092 --> 01:16:53.192
<v Jeff>Of the gooders, I don't know, I'll start with the batters.

01:16:53.412 --> 01:16:59.192
<v Jeff>My least favorite batter, I think it's going to have to be that four points because I...

01:17:00.032 --> 01:17:01.192
<v Jeff>It's batter to the bone.

01:17:02.172 --> 01:17:05.252
<v Jeff>it's just that chalky flavor just coated my mouth i couldn't taste anything

01:17:05.252 --> 01:17:10.372
<v Jeff>around it so four points will be in last place i'm gonna put the oxbow last.

01:17:10.372 --> 01:17:11.972
<v Greg>We put the four points in last place.

01:17:11.972 --> 01:17:17.232
<v Jeff>Yeah yeah that didn't work for me um i have a hard time on which one's second

01:17:17.232 --> 01:17:21.232
<v Jeff>to last the proven theory or the oxbow i'll just call them a tie i'll put the

01:17:21.232 --> 01:17:28.592
<v Jeff>oxbow in fifth place proven theory in fourth place now we got the gooders of the gooders,

01:17:32.112 --> 01:17:33.152
<v Jeff>there's only.

01:17:33.152 --> 01:17:35.052
<v Greg>One to me that's really memorable yeah.

01:17:35.052 --> 01:17:38.212
<v Jeff>I'm gonna put the burial in third

01:17:38.212 --> 01:17:42.352
<v Jeff>place i'm gonna put the solar winds in second place i thought that food rage

01:17:42.352 --> 01:17:51.112
<v Jeff>lager had it was it was more more more inspirational to me because it was different

01:17:51.112 --> 01:17:55.032
<v Jeff>from things you get a bunch of and then i'm gonna put the the oak age golden

01:17:55.032 --> 01:17:56.872
<v Jeff>strong from lone pine in the top spot.

01:17:59.812 --> 01:18:07.432
<v Greg>Huh come here no go ahead to me by far the winter is a prison city it was the one that was,

01:18:07.952 --> 01:18:11.272
<v Greg>telling a really interesting story and really unique and i really liked the

01:18:11.272 --> 01:18:16.432
<v Greg>concept of this of this age this oak age logger you can really get the loggeriness

01:18:16.432 --> 01:18:21.492
<v Greg>and you can also get the oak age stuff it was subtle and it was like you know

01:18:21.492 --> 01:18:25.232
<v Greg>well aged had a lot of interesting characteristics without going overboard.

01:18:25.952 --> 01:18:31.292
<v Greg>To me, that was far and away the strongest beer in the episode.

01:18:31.432 --> 01:18:33.572
<v Greg>The rest just kind of are muddled to me.

01:18:34.192 --> 01:18:37.712
<v Greg>I think the Oakage Golden Strong was just like,

01:18:38.904 --> 01:18:45.424
<v Greg>The only thing it had going for it was, and it was well crafted,

01:18:45.604 --> 01:18:47.464
<v Greg>I guess, but it was pretty strong.

01:18:48.684 --> 01:18:52.504
<v Greg>And the citric acid felt, I know you tasted more than I did.

01:18:52.864 --> 01:18:56.624
<v Greg>I just kind of got sort of a general stress and I wasn't able to find those

01:18:56.624 --> 01:18:57.644
<v Greg>malt things you were finding.

01:18:59.044 --> 01:19:04.684
<v Greg>The burial was, I don't remember it.

01:19:05.264 --> 01:19:06.124
<v Shannon>Oh, really?

01:19:06.304 --> 01:19:09.544
<v Greg>I don't remember it. I remember reading the whole thing about it.

01:19:09.724 --> 01:19:10.104
<v Shannon>Yeah.

01:19:10.424 --> 01:19:12.464
<v Greg>But I don't remember it being...

01:19:12.464 --> 01:19:14.504
<v Jeff>It was the one you said was citric acid.

01:19:14.804 --> 01:19:17.564
<v Greg>I thought it was this, the oakish golden strong?

01:19:17.664 --> 01:19:18.864
<v Jeff>No, that was the honey.

01:19:19.144 --> 01:19:25.184
<v Greg>That was the honey. Yeah. An idea, like how much they're blending together to me, there it is.

01:19:25.844 --> 01:19:27.924
<v Greg>I really remember the solar winds a lot.

01:19:28.684 --> 01:19:31.764
<v Greg>This one, I think, goes in last place, the pastoral.

01:19:33.164 --> 01:19:40.264
<v Greg>and then just in terms of i i guess the proven theory is more squaffable than the,

01:19:41.004 --> 01:19:49.604
<v Greg>ceremonial by just a hair but no i i yeah solar winds if you manage to find

01:19:49.604 --> 01:19:53.384
<v Greg>that go for it it's really interesting and unique and really this.

01:19:53.384 --> 01:20:02.624
<v Shannon>Is good it's really good we're pretty close So in last place is Oxbow, and then Proven Theory,

01:20:03.204 --> 01:20:08.664
<v Shannon>the benchtop Proven Theory, and then the four points.

01:20:09.204 --> 01:20:15.764
<v Shannon>And then in third place is the Burial, and second is the Solar Winds.

01:20:16.024 --> 01:20:22.724
<v Shannon>I think the Oak Aged Golden Strong is actually a little bit better.

01:20:23.524 --> 01:20:29.664
<v Shannon>now if i would have had the solar winds after i had that one i might feel different

01:20:29.664 --> 01:20:32.664
<v Shannon>no and it's i really liked that you know it's whatever you decide.

01:20:32.664 --> 01:20:33.664
<v Greg>It's fine to be wrong.

01:20:33.664 --> 01:20:35.724
<v Shannon>I like both of them a lot.

01:20:35.724 --> 01:20:37.644
<v Jeff>Fine to be wrong.

01:20:37.644 --> 01:20:43.064
<v Shannon>It's fine to be wrong huh you know what's great what's that just be right.

01:20:43.064 --> 01:20:45.624
<v Greg>Oh that's even better usually.

01:20:45.624 --> 01:20:46.224
<v Shannon>Yeah.

01:20:47.973 --> 01:20:48.653
<v Jeff>All right.

01:20:48.853 --> 01:20:49.433
<v Greg>Well, no.

01:20:49.573 --> 01:20:50.933
<v Jeff>Oh, marry, fuck, kill.

01:20:51.093 --> 01:20:56.733
<v Shannon>Oh. I don't want to marry any of them. I don't want to fuck any of them either.

01:20:57.833 --> 01:21:03.593
<v Greg>Too bad. Like, we made a decision last time to not worry about doing the rankings,

01:21:03.873 --> 01:21:07.553
<v Greg>even though it was our fucking 20th and 59th version or whatever it was.

01:21:07.613 --> 01:21:08.653
<v Shannon>Did we decide not to rank?

01:21:08.813 --> 01:21:12.133
<v Greg>Yeah, we just did marry, fuck, kill. But we've committed to marry.

01:21:12.293 --> 01:21:12.713
<v Shannon>Fuck, kill.

01:21:12.953 --> 01:21:15.153
<v Jeff>For the next 20 years now, apparently.

01:21:15.473 --> 01:21:15.813
<v Shannon>Okay.

01:21:16.393 --> 01:21:21.213
<v Jeff>All right. I will marry the Solar Winds. I will...

01:21:23.033 --> 01:21:26.493
<v Jeff>I don't know. I'm going to kill the four points.

01:21:28.773 --> 01:21:31.253
<v Jeff>Fuck the burial.

01:21:32.073 --> 01:21:34.913
<v Shannon>Yeah. No. Same exact thing.

01:21:36.093 --> 01:21:38.933
<v Greg>Definitely going to marry the Solar Winds.

01:21:39.313 --> 01:21:45.153
<v Greg>I will fuck either Oak-Aged, Golden Strong, or the burial. I don't think it

01:21:45.153 --> 01:21:47.713
<v Greg>matters to me which one shows up in the whorehouse.

01:21:49.353 --> 01:21:53.533
<v Greg>and I'm going to kill the the test Earl from Oxbow.

01:21:54.793 --> 01:21:58.533
<v Jeff>Alright thank you everyone for listening to Craft Beer Radio,

01:21:58.713 --> 01:22:02.753
<v Jeff>oh that's hot Aussie's coming in hot hot,

01:22:03.573 --> 01:22:08.333
<v Jeff>Aussie alright, we're going to do a post show so you should hop on over to the

01:22:08.333 --> 01:22:11.573
<v Jeff>extras feed and listen to the post show because we're going to talk about all

01:22:11.573 --> 01:22:13.093
<v Jeff>kinds of bullshit now assuming.

01:22:13.093 --> 01:22:15.033
<v Greg>That the post show gets posted.

01:22:15.033 --> 01:22:18.353
<v Jeff>It'll get posted I've got AI to do it for me now.

01:22:18.553 --> 01:22:19.853
<v Greg>Oh, slam. Slam.

01:22:20.313 --> 01:22:21.893
<v Jeff>AI's got it. Don't worry.

01:22:22.253 --> 01:22:25.953
<v Greg>Yeah, it certainly is working on the website right now.

01:22:26.033 --> 01:22:27.493
<v Jeff>It just has to be right most of the time.

01:22:34.713 --> 01:22:35.473
<v Shannon>I gotta pee.

